Mogstation taking another step to the darkside

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Originally Posted by DumdogsWorld

So, in other words, the answer is to either unsubscribe or deal with it, like everything else in this game.

Good to know.

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Were you trying to be Edgy here? Because you basically said one of the Most Sensible things ever

All ya'll complaining about them charging for stuff that is completely NOT part of completing either the base game or the 'post MSQ game' in any manner.

Everything in the cash shop that IS part of the game, like levels and MSQ completion, can be completed in game...

They charge for fully optional things, because those are just added fun things to get.

Would you rather they be in the situation ArenaNet is with Guild Wars 2? Laying off entire teams every quarter because the folks like you that are over there complained so much about the cash shop that other players also stopped using it... and now the company can't pay the bills...

I would much rather see companies like ArenaNet and SE do well, than suffer layoffs while companies like EA and Activision buy what's left of them in the end and cannibalize it...

The day something shows up in the cash shop that gives an in-game bonus, power, boost, etc that cannot be obtained in game, I will have some sympathy... but until then - I view threads like this as the very reason some of my favorite MMOs have died or are dying...

They give you a good thing, and a game without any pay-to-win; and you slap them in the face for it.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Were you trying to be Edgy here? Because you basically said one of the Most Sensible things ever

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It's reflective commentary, which is in turn what you make of it.

Trying to be edgy would imply that I'm attempting to exert a particular vibe into those who read my posts in order to influence their impressions.

I don't work like that. I just say what I want. If I say the most horrific thing on the planet and you interpret it as me being some jolly guy, then good for you.

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Originally Posted by SamRF

I kind of doubt those claims. It seems to me that you are getting tricked by PR.

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Based on?

What motivation is there for Yoshida to lie, especially when there are much better lies to spin than openly admitting our sub fees go to other SE projects? It's one thing to posit something as PR speak, however you need to provide a tangible counter argument beyond "common sense." That isn't an argument, it's putting forth a conspiracy theory and pretending it's fact.

For your argument to work, there needs to be some sort of change from the precedence set—which has yet to happen in six years. If SE were going to adopt obscene micro transactions like EA has done, they'd probably be going it by now. Instead, this is the first exclusive mount they've added in almost a year.

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

Based on?

What motivation is there for Yoshida to lie, especially when there are much better lies to spin than openly admitting our sub fees go to other SE projects? It's one thing to posit something as PR speak, however you need to provide a tangible counter argument beyond "common sense." That isn't an argument, it's putting forth a conspiracy theory and pretending it's fact.

For your argument to work, there needs to be some sort of change from the precedence set—which has yet to happen in six years. If SE were going to adopt obscene micro transactions like EA has done, they'd probably be going it by now. Instead, this is the first exclusive mount they've added in almost a year.

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Alright I'm not going to pretend like my assumption is a fact. You might be right, I don't know. The fallacy might have gripped me deeper than I'm aware of, although to some extend you can label any kind of reasoning a fallacy to score a point for your arguments.

While SE might not have set a precedent (that I'm specifically aware of), other companies have. You can usually see certain patterns returning when it comes to particular business decisions, although I'm willing to bet you can blame that on some kind of fallacy too (justifiably or not). You can also think for yourself and assume what would potentially be the best business decision and that way predict what may ensue.

With PR tricks I meant the claims that Cash Shop is handled by different team and set resources that would never have impacted base game, not the admittance of sub fee going to other SE projects, since I wouldn't doubt that at all.

Mogstation taking another step to the dark side? I think this past was designed to create a heated discussion about items featured on the platform that are nice to have but don't add playability or give anyone an unfair advantage.

OP, congratulations: you've officially dragged us all into your shady abyss. WoD ftw.

I've never had an issue with them putting mounts and glam and stuff on mogstation, but honestly the timing of this is super shady. The mount looks like it would be an event reward, but is released on mogstation same time the event is about to come out.... Instead of giving it to us in the event and then releasing it on mogstation the next year, they just didn't even bother giving it to us in an event at all. Instead we get some stupid rabbit costume as a crappy event reward.

Like man, SE I understand you don't have to buy mogstation stuff but this was just low. Like they couldn't just wait a year and then put them on mogstation?

I bought the Spriggan and immediately cleared all savage and ultimate raids. It's power is undeniable smh SE

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Originally Posted by Melichoir

Personally, rather keep an easy 15 a month sub and let me pick and choose what additional cosmetic shenanigans I want to buy then pay 30+ a month for stuff Ill probably not be interested in. Even if its 15 more a month, thats an extra 180 a year. I spend maybe 60 on optional items per year at most. Micro transactions arent a disease. Theyre a selling tool that can be good or bad, depending how theyre used. What mogstation does? Thats fine. Selling me gambling proxies or DLC thats just the main game chopped off bits, not fine.

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LOL! Can you imagine that? 30 dollar a month sub but you get the occasional cosmetic trash spriggan mount every few months. That's some garbage butt poop.

LMAO at cry babies who complain about optional items. Dont like it, dont buy it. How hard is that? BTW, there are 21 mounts and very few seasonal mounts on the shop. Stop acting like all you can get in game is a horse or something. Big cry babies.

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Originally Posted by Nhisso

LMAO at cry babies who complain about optional items. Dont like it, dont buy it. How hard is that? BTW, there are 21 mounts and very few seasonal mounts on the shop. Stop acting like all you can get in game is a horse or something. Big cry babies.

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Thing is they want it but don't want to pay for it.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

LOL! Can you imagine that? 30 dollar a month sub but you get the occasional cosmetic trash spriggan mount every few months. That's some garbage butt poop.

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Originally Posted by Nhisso

LMAO at cry babies who complain about optional items. Dont like it, dont buy it. How hard is that? BTW, there are 21 mounts and very few seasonal mounts on the shop. Stop acting like all you can get in game is a horse or something. Big cry babies.

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I find these condescending attitudes to be quite amusing. I'm sure you're laughing at me just as hard as I'm laughing at you.

Some people like reminiscing about the days when a purchase for a product actually gave you the entire product. If I wanted to unlock an extra outfit in a Super Nintendo game, I didn't have to buy an extra cartridge. If I wanted a larger game that was more expensive to make, I simply paid more.

But apparently, in the minds of people on this forum, bringing that sort of thing up makes you:

-a crybaby
-ungrateful
-spitting on the developers

The logic is asinine and absurd, seeing as to how, of all places, this was brought up in a forum intended for discussion.

News flash - if people like me were truly ungrateful crybabies who wanted to spit on the developers, we wouldn't be here. We'd unsubscribe, delete our characters, and terminate our service accounts to ensure we'd never come back and give them another dollar. But here we are, venting instead of unsubbing.

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Originally Posted by Neri

Thing is they want it but don't want to pay for it.

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Don't speak for me. I just don't like a partial package. If they need more money to keep things running, there are plenty of other ways to get money out of me.

It's interesting that there's a lot of vocal backlash in regards to the Mog Station but hardly any directed at PvP exclusive mounts that are only available on a temporary basis to a very small portion of the community. I would have thought the latter would be of greater concern for mount collectors. Anything put on the Mog Station can be obtained at any time, so if people truly want something from it they can save up and acquire it for themselves. There's no such wriggle room for timed exclusives, however...

The only "dark side" of a cash shop in a game like this is P2W.


The game gives you 1000s of glams and tons of mounts you can earn in game, getting upset that a HQ dust bunny mount is only on the cash shop seems very naive to me.
"Oh NOEZ! This cute mount shoulda been an in game Easter event reward! Yes, this event should have 2 glams, housing items and 1 of the best looking mounts cause I say so!".

I don't expect much from these forums but I can always find a good chuckle when I visit.

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Originally Posted by DumdogsWorld

I find these condescending attitudes to be quite amusing. I'm sure you're laughing at me just as hard as I'm laughing at you.

Some people like reminiscing about the days when a purchase for a product actually gave you the entire product. If I wanted to unlock an extra outfit in a Super Nintendo game, I didn't have to buy an extra cartridge. If I wanted a larger game that was more expensive to make, I simply paid more.

But apparently, in the minds of people on this forum, bringing that sort of thing up makes you:

-a crybaby
-ungrateful
-spitting on the developers

The logic is asinine and absurd, seeing as to how, of all places, this was brought up in a forum intended for discussion.

News flash - if people like me were truly ungrateful crybabies who wanted to spit on the developers, we wouldn't be here. We'd unsubscribe, delete our characters, and terminate our service accounts to ensure we'd never come back and give them another dollar. But here we are, venting instead of unsubbing.


Don't speak for me. I just don't like a partial package. If they need more money to keep things running, there are plenty of other ways to get money out of me.

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Even if One of them is abit rude and over the top, he isn't wrong on the Simple Point - Dont like it, dont buy it. How hard is that?
Like Seriously...

Now then...What Old Super Nintendo Game is a subscription Based MMO that is updated over the years with Brand New content on a Quarterly(?) basis, that gives you literally everything for free by just playing the game? You are aware of how much your given in this game through patches and updates right? So to sit here and get upset about a Premium Mount not being free for the event: that it isn't even themed around, does look and sound abit Entitled and Ungrateful.
And What Partial Package are you talking about? A Sprag mount which is a singular item? I mean dude, if a mount upsets you, I can't picture SE selling anything on the Mogstation that wouldn't be seen as a "Partial Deal". More then likely it would be the same argument "I should be able to get it for free in game."
So it sounds like...SE can't win.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Even if One of them is abit rude and over the top, he isn't wrong on the Simple Point - Dont like it, dont buy it. How hard is that?
Like Seriously...

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It's not a matter of liking it or not. The issue here is that mount should have been part of the hatching tide event.
They have been selling mounts for years and I even bought some however I don't want seasonal event to be like this:
random minion/glam/emote in game and an seasonal based mount on mogstation.

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Originally Posted by Sesera

It's not a matter of liking it or not. The issue here is that mount should have been part of the hatching tide event.

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Should have? Why, because it's related to the monster that Squeenix has linked to the event?
It's very possible the entire concept was inspired by the event, but if it's the cash shop team that conceptualized and produced it, it's cash shop stuff.

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Originally Posted by Sesera

It's not a matter of liking it or not. The issue here is that mount should have been part of the hatching tide event.
They have been selling mounts for years and I even bought some however I don't want seasonal event to be like this:
random minion/glam/emote in game and an seasonal based mount on mogstation.

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What makes this Mount Seasonal, and why 'should' it be part of the event?
Because its a Sprag? Does that automatically mean its an Easter Themed mount? So if there was a Sprag Themed Weapon that means its an Easter Weapon?
Ive looked at it Multipe times, I fail to see why peope think its a Seasonal Mount. Just because there is a Sprag idoesnt mean its easter

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Originally Posted by Theodric

It's interesting that there's a lot of vocal backlash in regards to the Mog Station but hardly any directed at PvP exclusive mounts that are only available on a temporary basis to a very small portion of the community. I would have thought the latter would be of greater concern for mount collectors. Anything put on the Mog Station can be obtained at any time, so if people truly want something from it they can save up and acquire it for themselves. There's no such wriggle room for timed exclusives, however...

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There was a lot of backlash, but devs said many times PvP seasonal mounts will remain exclusive forever so they gave up. By the way, anyone can be a part of "a very small portion of the community", it's only up to them if they want to. There are no participacion restrictions the last time I checked.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

What makes this Mount Seasonal, and why 'should' it be part of the event?
Because its a Sprag? Does that automatically mean its an Easter Themed mount? So if there was a Sprag Themed Weapon that means its an Easter Weapon?
Ive looked at it Multipe times, I fail to see why peope think its a Seasonal Mount. Just because there is a Sprag idoesnt mean its easter

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All Easter events feature eggs and spriggans. The literally gave Spriggan set as last year's reward. I fail to NOT see a connection.

Imagine being part of a development team responsible for making DLC fluff like mounts and outfits. Now imagine knowing that whatever profits you receive from this fuels further DLC (and thus, your job).

Now imagine meeting with your coworkers and coming up with a cool idea that should sell pretty well because of timeliness of it! Hey, there's an event that features Spriggans! Surely a Spriggan mount will sell if we can have it ready in time to sell!

Now imagine upon releasing your hard work, with high hopes to be immediately shat upon by people who think it's not good enough to pay for...but so good they'll throw a fit about not being able to get it for free.

The DLC team makes DLC. I see what they did as good business decision. If you made a DLC mount with potential for a good sell, why wouldn't you sell it at the optimal time And why shouldn't they be trying to get as much cash back in for their work? They're not the main dev team.

^ It's not a free-to-play game. We are already paying for 'DLC stuff', it's part of subscription fees. Defending extra charges on top of this while we are getting less stuff like dungeons is a pure greed.

It isn't exactly a case of pure greed when the costs for development have shot up over the years by vast amounts despite the subscription fee remaining the same throughout. Localisation and voice acting needs to be done in multiple different languages which is a staggering cost in itself.

That aside, there's a pretty large market in terms of players with a disposable income and a willingness to make use of it. Expecting a company not to embrace that is bizarre, especially when it helps to mitigate the overall burden of development costs.

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Originally Posted by SuperZay

^ It's not a free-to-play game. We are already paying for 'DLC stuff', it's part of subscription fees. Defending extra charges on top of this while we are getting less stuff like dungeons is a pure greed.

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Subscription fees are for server access. People who don't subscribe for an entire expansion don't get less content outside of timed events than those who do subscribe for the entire expansion.

A store mount also has nothing to do with what you get in an expansion. You don't have to get it during a particular expansion and you don't even have to purchase any expansion.

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Originally Posted by Melichoir

So please lets dispense with the "SE can do Better and this is just greed!" angle and be real about this. The discussion isnt about what's good or bad or some moralistic view of what SE should be, its about is it a legit business transaction or a scummy fleecing campaign.

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There are still companys out there that dont milk their customers for every bit of money AND we had the word of Yoshida about it being only for old event items and that they dont do that to earn money. So yes I am going to voice my opinion on this because they went against their own words and the prices are just horrible. Heck if we would get more content thanks to that then maybe I could accept it more but we dont. We get less stuff even with over a million of active subs.

I dont care how many other companys are also greedy like that..it does not make the actions of SE better.

Also alot of the lootboxes in other games are also just cosmetic. Why are they different? Yes they have a RNG factor to them but again they often just providing cosmetic items and seemingly doing that is fine here.
It is annoying to me because I like glamour, mounts and pets. Getting them is often the number one reason for me to do content and seeing how much they put behind a lot of stuff that might not be fun for the most of us they are also seeing it as a great carrot on the stick. So lets not pretend that the stuff that lands in the mogstation is not something people want. They know exactly what they are doing. The evens are also quite a hit or miss. Sometimes we get some nice clothes and sometimes we even get a mount but a lot of the event items are things for the houses (which a lot of people dont even have).

Sad times when someone not wanting to pay more in an already sub based game is seen as an unreasonable customer.

Heck they could have done the cash shop and the ingame stuff in great combination. Release event items for each event again (as they did in the past before cash shop was there) and put them also in the cash shop. Waiting one year to get your hands on them might be too much for some so those can buy them with real money. There both sides should be happy. Release tokens ingame that people can earn to buy mog station items from it. They are not too easy to get thus people will have to work hard towards them (thus playing the game more -> paying more sub money) or people can just buy them.

I think it's rather unfair to expect Yoshi-P to be held accountable for every single statement that he has made over the years when FFXIV is an ongoing project that is constantly evolving and being updated.

If people feel so strongly about the issue and truly consider it to be a jarring, unforgivable act then they're free to vote with their wallet and take their leave of the game. That's exactly what I intend to do if the game ever crosses a line that I find to be unacceptable. I did as much with World of Warcraft when it moved in a direction I found to be uninteresting I stopped playing it despite years of investment.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

It isn't exactly a case of pure greed when the costs for development have shot up over the years by vast amounts despite the subscription fee remaining the same throughout. Localisation and voice acting needs to be done in multiple different languages which is a staggering cost in itself.

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And server costs are significally lower now than 15 years ago. A major portion of cutscenes are not voiced. Old models reused infinitely and the same monsters reskinned every expansion. We are getting less dungeons and so on while subscription base is at all time maximum. They do know how to save money and it shows.

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Originally Posted by Alleo

Also alot of the lootboxes in other games are also just cosmetic. Why are they different? Yes they have a RNG factor to them but again they often just providing cosmetic items and seemingly doing that is fine here.

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The RNG factor makes a big difference. You could spend money and not get what you want. That is objectively worse regardless if it's just for cosmetics.

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Sad times when someone not wanting to pay more in an already sub based game is seen as an unreasonable customer.

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That doesn't make you an unreasonable customer. What makes you an unreasonable customer is demanding that SE go against what the market tells them would be profitable when it doesn't impact the game.

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Heck they could have done the cash shop and the ingame stuff in great combination. Release event items for each event again (as they did in the past before cash shop was there) and put them also in the cash shop. Waiting one year to get your hands on them might be too much for some so those can buy them with real money. There both sides should be happy. Release tokens ingame that people can earn to buy mog station items from it. They are not too easy to get thus people will have to work hard towards them (thus playing the game more -> paying more sub money) or people can just buy them.

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Now that would be greedy. If they're releasing the item again in game then they shouldn't be offering it for money and should encourage people to do the content in game to get it. Also, that would mean that the Mog Station would have a bigger impact on the game, and I'd rather not have that.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

So to sit here and get upset about a Premium Mount not being free for the event: that it isn't even themed around, does look and sound abit Entitled and Ungrateful.

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Sometimes I wonder whether or not I'm the only person who joins these threads because of principles, rather than being upset or something. I don't even collect mounts.

I love FFXIV, dislike cash shops, and, like some of the others in this thread, admitted that it would be nice and dandy (to us) if FFXIV didn't have a cash shop. Does that make me upset? No. But it does mean that I won't consider FFXIV the perfect game and that I will criticize it where I feel criticism is due. Calmy, I might add.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Now then...What Old Super Nintendo Game is a subscription Based MMO that is updated over the years with Brand New content on a Quarterly(?) basis, that gives you literally everything for free by just playing the game? You are aware of how much your given in this game through patches and updates right?

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We're not given anything. We're buying it.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

And What Partial Package are you talking about?

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As in, a package that is partial, or incomplete.

A functional incomplete package is not the same as a complete package. All it takes for a package to be incomplete is a single locked item that cannot be aquired through in-game means.

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Originally Posted by DumdogsWorld

As in, a package that is partial, or incomplete.

A functional incomplete package is not the same as a complete package. All it takes for a package to be incomplete is a single locked item that cannot be aquired through in-game means.

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While I'm glad you've attempted to make the distinction, I still think it fails to be an accurate description.

Let's say you get a package of a dollhouse. You opened the package, verified all the parts are there, and then built it. Then the store that sold you the dollhouse offered you accessories that you can buy and add to your dollhouse. Are you going to try to make the distinction between a completed package and a functionally completed package and complain that the store is charging more to make your dollhouse complete because now it's incomplete even though it's functionally complete (and actually complete) before they try to sell you more accessories?

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Originally Posted by DumdogsWorld

As in, a package that is partial, or incomplete.

A functional incomplete package is not the same as a complete package. All it takes for a package to be incomplete is a single locked item that cannot be aquired through in-game means.

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To be extra fair, you're never given a complete mmo since they are always adding things to it. What you pay for is access to play it. Thats it. Thats all your sub is for, it's not for a completed 60 buck game because those are normally not ongoing projects like mmos. Your 60 bucks at the start is for the disk and atleast for FFXIV that gets you a 30 days without the sub. After that you're expected to pay the 15 bucks to once again enter the front door. That 15 bucks has never been for the cashshop. If you want the things in that shop then just like if you want shadowbringers or any other expac. You got to pay to play. This isn't a one time and you're done. Mmos have never been that. They are always on going so you can't apply the same standard as far as payment to them like you would say Street fighter or Sonic. Those are not ongoing games.

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Originally Posted by SuperZay

^ It's not a free-to-play game. We are already paying for 'DLC stuff', it's part of subscription fees. Defending extra charges on top of this while we are getting less stuff like dungeons is a pure greed.

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You are not paying for DLC stuff. You are paying for exactly what they've given you on the box. You are not entitled to anything more than they want to give you and/or is promised you.

The money spent in DLC shop pays to make more DLC stuff. No DLC shop, no DLC is made.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

What makes this Mount Seasonal, and why 'should' it be part of the event?
Because its a Sprag? Does that automatically mean its an Easter Themed mount? So if there was a Sprag Themed Weapon that means its an Easter Weapon?
Ive looked at it Multipe times, I fail to see why peope think its a Seasonal Mount. Just because there is a Sprag idoesnt mean its easter

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

Should have? Why, because it's related to the monster that Squeenix has linked to the event?
It's very possible the entire concept was inspired by the event, but if it's the cash shop team that conceptualized and produced it, it's cash shop stuff.

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Yes because the fact it is a spriggan with a basket sold with last year hatching tide item and one week before hatching tide as nothing to do with the theme.

What next? A spooky mount for halloween but hey just because it's a ghost doesn't mean it related to halloween.
Lol.

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Originally Posted by linay

Let's say you get a package of a dollhouse. You opened the package, verified all the parts are there, and then built it. Then the store that sold you the dollhouse offered you accessories that you can buy and add to your dollhouse. Are you going to try to make the distinction between a completed package and a functionally completed package and complain that the store is charging more to make your dollhouse complete because now it's incomplete even though it's functionally complete (and actually complete) before they try to sell you more accessories?

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Whenever you download a patch to this game, all of the patched-in files and assets are downloaded, including the Mog Station ones.

So, it would be more accurate to compare it to a dollhouse where I possess the accessories and all that after the initial purchase, but I can't actually remove them from their packaging until I pay extra money.

And for the record, I do pull the functional incomplete vs complete argument with stuff like that. It's the same reason why, when I was a little kid, other kids would buy Pokemon card packs and I would instead work to collect the video games in the series.

I don't want a segmented product if I can help it. Being my personal preference, this isn't open for negotiation.

You like cash shops? Great! We're allowed to disagree. That's a basic right. Just don't mock others for that stuff. (And before you say anything, I, the OP, etc were mocked first.)

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Originally Posted by Sesera

Yes because the fact it is a spriggan with a basket sold with last year hatching tide item and one week before hatching tide as nothing to do with the theme.

What next? A spooky mount for halloween but hey just because it's a ghost doesn't mean it related to halloween.
Lol.

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The point being that spriggan was a mob before the event was even a thing. So just because it is a spriggan doesn't mean it's always going to be an easter theme mount. And even if it was, if the cash shop team made it for the cash shop then that means it was most likely never going to be an ingame mount. So if the store wasn't here, chances are it wasn't going to be made at all. Plus it's called marketing....

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Originally Posted by Sesera

Yes because the fact it is a spriggan with a basket sold with last year hatching tide item and one week before hatching tide as nothing to do with the theme.

What next? A spooky mount for halloween but hey just because it's a ghost doesn't mean it related to halloween.
Lol.

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So if I sell you a ham during Lent, is it a Lent ham?

Just because its a spriggan doesn't make it easter. Either way you are entitled to your opinion.

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Originally Posted by Sesera

Yes because the fact it is a spriggan with a basket sold with last year hatching tide item and one week before hatching tide as nothing to do with the theme.

What next? A spooky mount for halloween but hey just because it's a ghost doesn't mean it related to halloween.
Lol.

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It's a mount with a possible seasonal theme. It doesn't make it a seasonal event mount. I think SE is moving away from seasonal event mount in favor of account-wide store mounts.

Maybe I'm wrong. When was the last time they had a seasonal event mount? The Valentione couples mount? When was that and is there anything newer than that? Is there any seasonal event mount that does not end up at the Mog Station as a single character mount?

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Originally Posted by kaynide

The money spent in DLC shop pays to make more DLC stuff. No DLC shop, no DLC is made.

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Wrong, all money goes back to SE. Japanese corporations allocate fixed budgets once a year, the FFXIV crew cannot just take whatever money they want. And no amount of mogshop purchases or sub numbers will change that budget till next yearly revision. SE then can distribute these extra money on paying stock dividends to shareholders, but they don't go back into a game directly.

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Originally Posted by linay

When was the last time they had a seasonal event mount?

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Halloween, last year. It was a cute orange Ahriman with a purple eye, fitting hat and special "attack".

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Originally Posted by SuperZay

Wrong, all money goes back to SE. Japanese corporations allocate fixed budgets once a year, the FFXIV crew cannot just take whatever money they want. And no amount of mogshop purchases or sub numbers will change that budget till next yearly revision. SE then can distribute these extra money on paying stock dividends to shareholders, but they don't go back into a game directly.

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I mean, you can believe that if you want. I'm not in the "in" in SE's budget, and for all I know their original business model might have changed on how they're moving their money from what we were told looong ago.

At the end of the day a specific team is doing MogStation work. If nothing sells on it, they obviously wouldn't waste more time on it. It's all about investment of time to get a certain amount of returns to pay for future investment (and profits).

I work for a Japanese corporation. We do not allocate a fixed budget "once per year" because, obviously, stuff happens. A second major corporation that I do contractor work for does quarterly budgets because (again) the market changes and so must the business targets.