Thank you. I intend to come back to this thread, just not today. Just wanted to ask that question.Quote:
Originally Posted by IttyBitty
Makes sense....I've done the same thing as well. I keep forgetting that once parse is mentioned, it turns into a literal debate.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoodRat
Confessions of a Toxic Elitist
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03-23-2018, 10:06 AMKaivaC
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03-23-2018, 10:56 AMSomeRandomHuman
This will probably be a little deeper than this thread was intended for, but maybe it will be a motivational poster somewhere someday.
As someone with a pretty damn severe depression issue(been to a mental hospital because of it), I know what its like to be knocked off any kind of high horse.
The old saying "actions speak louder than words" is one that has held true for many things as history has proven. Everything starts with mentality. The only reason I can function on a bad day(even with my medications) is because I get myself going into the mentality of "I'm going to do this no matter how hard it hurts."
If you want to learn to be better with people, just fake afk in a crowded area and people watch. Or go to a shopping center and do the same. Just observe.
If you wanna get better at a job, reread all the abilities and look at a few guides. You may learn that things interact in more interesting ways than you thought.
Anyway, hoped that helped. There's my good forum deed for the week. Back to lurking. -
03-23-2018, 11:02 AMRiyahArp
because thanks to a parser making you focus less about clearing the content, and more about how you rank compared to others at clearing the content, it made you depressed Kaiva. It made you forget entirely that you managed to clear savage; you got down because for your job, you didn't contribute to clearing it faster than average. And you have people here all sad not that they didn't beat savage, but they beat the fight and on a ranking of players, scored less than average. Don't you see how stupid that is?
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03-23-2018, 11:14 AMDualgunnerPeople also get happy or sad over the victories or defeats of their favorite sports teams. What people attach value to can be called stupid by anyone, but if it is important to that person, then it absolutely isn't stupid.Quote:
Originally Posted by RiyahArp
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03-23-2018, 11:17 AMBourne_EndeavorThe irony here is you aren't entirely wrong. Unfortunately, you articulated it in about the worst way possible. No, people should not obsess over their FFlogs. That being said, some people enjoy competition, even amongst only themselves. While you may find clearing something fun, I would lose interest in Savage if I had no secondary goals to strive for. Sometimes, I go in simply for the fun of it, more often than not I do so to improve as a player, especially on jobs I don't normally play. Does it lead to frustration? Absolutely. But it also leads to excitement when I reach my goals.Quote:
Originally Posted by RiyahArp
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03-23-2018, 11:18 AMKaivaCIn some ways, you have a point. Yes, perhaps it is dumb to value my worth in game through a parser. But do you understand how depression works? This isn't just a switch that I can simply turn off. I can't just go "this is dumb" and the next day, I'll be fine. It may seem stupid to you, but depression is not something easily overcome. Been fighting with it for 6 years. Not easy at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by RiyahArp
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03-23-2018, 11:54 AMakaneakkiParsing is cheating? Lol. And again you were the person who said 8 months ago that using regen generates too much aggro. So Idk where you come up with the 2xx nonsense. If you actually gonna contribute into this thread, please make sure the difference between toxic/elitist/blunt.Quote:
Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi
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03-23-2018, 12:07 PMKisaiTenshiDo you really love me that much that you are just looking for excuses to get my attention?Quote:
Originally Posted by akaneakki
"I seem to be doing 4976 on this content, wow, that's great"Quote:
Originally Posted by Miste
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"I can't seem to do 4976 on this content, I know X can do it, *stress*"
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"That crappy dps isn't doing 4976, I'm gonna kick him"
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"Oh that DPS is hot **** and kicking my 4976, wah"
If this was only a question of the first point, most people would not give a care. But apparently some people stress out, or get depressed by the thought that someone is better than they are at content. So close the parser and start playing the game instead of treating it like a spreadsheet. -
03-23-2018, 12:50 PMMisteSome people want to improve themselves and are unhappy about their performance. The ways to improve oneself is by trial and error, practice, and reflecting on one's own failures and mistakes. You can't get better at something unless you analyze your errors and figure out ways to correct them.Quote:
Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi
People can't always control their emotions or how they feel about something so it isn't so simplistic like you are trying to make it seem. I feel like you and some others in this thread simply don't understand that. -
03-23-2018, 12:53 PMKisaiTenshiDo you remember the video I posted when I asked for feedback and while the forum feedback was kinda neutral-postive, the comments I received on youtube were not, and then apparently someone took it to 4ch and downvote bombed it some more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Miste
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03-23-2018, 01:09 PMMisteHm...the only one I kind of remember was I think you posted an Antitower video? That one? I only recall that one...likely because I tried to help you there as well showing a different perspective of me doing the same dungeon, just one pull, and explained there are different things you can cast at different times that benefit the party more than being a bit overly cautious with healing or overhealing.Quote:
Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi
I didn't know people did that on youtube since if it was that video I only looked at it once likely very close to when you posted it and never saved the link or saw it again.
There are always gonna be jerks out there who critique people in the absolute wrong way IE: rude insults etc...it happens no matter what..and even if there were no parsers these types of people would still exist and just find other things to use to be insulting.
Not everyone is a jerk though and there are plenty of people who are considered "good" at the game who are generally nice people and also willing to help others with their jobs/roles and content. I know plenty just on my server alone (and even more on my alt's server on Aether data center), which might surprise you to hear since I know you mentioned you don't like our server in the past and I also recall I said to you back then that you are free to contact me if you need help with anything. -
03-23-2018, 01:14 PMBourne_EndeavorYou didn't ask for feedback. You posted that video claiming this was how healers were supposed to be played; arguing against DPSing. People responded critically because of that. You did yourself no favours getting into arguments about endgame healing while having a level 51 WHM as your highest healer at the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi
Regardless, it's Youtube. The comment section is a cesspool on a number of videos. Parsers don't make people jerks. They already were to begin with. -
03-23-2018, 02:15 PMKisaiTenshiI posted it then because some of you on the forum wouldn't believe me (pre stormblood) . I knew it was not the best run ever but that was also a pretty much blind run. I don't see people out on our server to forum static/fc with because I know it's the trolls official server.Quote:
Originally Posted by Miste
Yes I did, or I would not have posted it. I was not looking for "you should play my way" but "this is how I've been playing thus far (without help)", and it was also two weeks before SB, so it's NOT relevant now, regardless if I was right or not. But that lily system works worked fine with my previous strategy at 4.0 release, but when they got rid of Cleric Stance, that made other strategies more viable, which I use Assize more than I use any of the other Lily stuff when it's available.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor
But let's not keep derailing this. A small handful of people are responsible for all the hand-wringing in and outside the game, and they are fully aware they are being jerks. If the OP isn't being a jerk to players, then they should not be getting depressed BY the game. If you play any content in this game, and your response to a wipe is "you suck", then you're the jerk who needs to leave. -
03-23-2018, 02:38 PMakaneakkiTo be fair, you did go around telling people they shouldn't use regen because ''too much aggro''.Quote:
Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi
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03-23-2018, 03:16 PMMisteI really don't think that is true....Quote:
Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi
I mean I've played on Excalibur since launch and I've met so many nice players on our server over the last 4 years.
If our server is all trolls I feel like I would have seen more of it. There will be some jerks on every server of course, but plenty of nice people as well. -
03-23-2018, 05:24 PMKewitt
I know I can do better then I do when I care. but unless I'm doing savage content. most of the time I have netflix up on one screen and a website up on my laptop.
I don't care what anyone else things when I want to play my best I can and keep up with most other playing the same job. I got a dummy on at my house, when I get a job to 70 I work on my rotations then go to instanced dummy for current savage content. My sure I can hit the DPS check.
I may Warrior, I read my tooltips, and changed my rotations pop some food and now I can kill the savage dummy on my warrior without issues. That was 3 weeks ago.
My hubby doesn't do savage content. He cares less then I do... in turn I only do Savage content with FC while he is at work. -
03-23-2018, 06:46 PMKaivaCSeeing as you two have been bickering for months, I have come to the conclusion...Quote:
Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi
That there is some repressed romantic tension between you, and it must be shared to the worlds in my screenplay that I'm going to write and have performers for. The forbidden romance between a Miqo'te and a ...Lala/Au Ra (I'm not too sure what Akane actually is right now) will make for the best FATE event ever, with cross-world functionality. Coming soon to Balmu - oh wait, that server is locked - Coming soon to Mateus. Hiring performers now. RSVP required.
(It's early...let me have my fun) -
03-23-2018, 10:24 PMTridusThis idea needs a Paetron. Sign me up!Quote:
Originally Posted by KaivaC
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03-24-2018, 12:56 AMKisaiTenshiBoth akaneakki and Bourne_Endeavor have been doing the same thing, and this all started 9 months ago, both in threads about WHM feedback, before SB launched. So suffice it to say they seem to be obsessed with me, or they wouldn't keep resorting to this childish game of "but you said something I believe to be stupid before, so you must be stupid all the time" red-herring bully shtick.Quote:
Originally Posted by KaivaC
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03-24-2018, 01:40 AMBourne_EndeavorThe irony here is staggering. Not more than six posts ago you say, "let's not keep derailing this" yet here you are taking potshots. I only mentioned the WHM stuff because it related to your nonsense regarding parsers, i.e., you talk about things you have little to no understanding of. I suppose it's childish bringing up a reference point? You're essentially asking for a safe space where you get to say whatever you fancy and not be called out when it's wrong. Even in the aforementioned post, you're still defending how you played as "my playstyle." Hard to break it to you but overhealing and standing around waiting isn't a playstyle.Quote:
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03-24-2018, 02:34 AMKerwin
Notice how both of them play Cats. Makes you wonder! Feline cat fights sure are entertaining.
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03-24-2018, 03:43 AMWilhelmWhiteThis is gold.Quote:
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03-24-2018, 04:20 AMSenorPattyMih Khetto Amphitheater presentsQuote:
Originally Posted by KaivaC
A play directed by Kaiva Cordola
Final Fantasy 14: Days of our Forum
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03-24-2018, 04:25 AMKisaiTenshiAnd I was perfectly content to ignore any snark, but then you also brought up a dead 2.0 chocobo from nearly a year ago, the same one as akaneakki. Which is funny because you also responded to me twice as often and before akaneakki back then. So clearly I left an impression on you two or you would not be obsessed with me.Quote:
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03-24-2018, 05:16 AMBourne_EndeavorBecause it related to the discussion. You made a baseless assumption about parsers that was wildly inaccurate, which is precisely what you did regarding WHM. I mentioned it to establish consistency; backing up my own claim you have a habit of speaking out your backside. Don't try to spin this. You suggested we not derail the thread in the very post I cited your preceding poor arguments. If you were keen on "ignoring any snark," you wouldn't have taken a potshot afterwards.Quote:
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03-24-2018, 06:20 AMKisaiTenshiSo by your own admission you are harassing me on purpose.Quote:
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03-24-2018, 06:57 AMHyoMinParkHow is responding to an ill-informed post on a discussion forum harassment? I’ve mostly stayed out of this debate because it ends up being entirely circular in the end, but calling you out for being uninformed on what the difference between a “parser” is and “triggers” are is hardly considered “harassment”. Correcting you on said things is not “harassment”. And responding to insinuations that one is “obsessed” with you is also not considered “harassment”. If you don’t want to be called out on your own misinformation, post on private blogs where others cannot offer up comments/corrections. Otherwise, expect to be corrected when you post and your information in said posts is incorrect/ill-informed.Quote:
Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi
To relate back to the original purpose of this thread (since I’m in here now), which was about self-expectations and performance: I understand entirely where you are coming from, Kaiva. I deal with it a lot in just about every aspect of life, because I have extremely high self-expectations, and failure to meet them or falling short causes me a lot of stress and anxiety. In order to cope with it, all I’m trying to do is ignore the screaming voices in my head that reprimand me for not meeting an impossible level of perfection. But it is very hard; I will never claim that ignoring your own self-doubt is easy.
What is good about this, is that you have recognized things about yourself, and recognization is one of the steps you need to take in order to rectify the problems, which will ultimately lead to you being happier overall. I don’t think you should give up; I think you should keep trying. Try not to feel too down about gray parses (it’s hard, and I know it is because I’ve been there before); instead, look at them and seek advice on how you can improve. I’m sure someone already mentioned it, but I would join The Balance Discord, if you are not already in there, and ask other SMNs in the SMN Discussion/Questions channels about what you can do to improve. Link the logs as well; don’t think that they will make fun of you. I frequently read the BRD text channels, and have never seen anyone being made fun of or ridiculed for seeking advice.
I really hope that you are feeling better. For what it’s worth, I believe in you! -
03-24-2018, 07:01 AMMisteTo be fair...there was a time for a bit where you replied to me on a lot of posts I made.Quote:
Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi
It eventually lead me to setting you on ignore and only removing it when you stopped because you weren't being very cordial to me either and it seemed pointless to keep bothering with your replies (since you usually refused to listen to anything I say anyway), and especially since I tried my best to be as polite as possible to keep things civil between us despite your less than polite responses sometimes.
Not really fair to try to say that about others when you've also done it to some degree :/
I mean is it possible you weren't "obsessed" with me and simply wanted to reply? Think about it.
Bourne isn't harassing you...if you post information that others know to be incorrect they may post to correct said information. Unfortunately sometimes you post information on a topic that you must not have a full understanding of therefore others end up correcting it.Quote:
Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi
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03-24-2018, 07:11 AMakaneakkiHow is it bullying, when this thread is about people who say they know how they play, then admitly saying they don't. I'm not perfect either, but you are pretty much screaming out loud you are bullied, when we only quote what you are saying. You said regen is bad because of aggro, then you show us a video where it shows us ''how healer should play''. I can quote on that easily if you want. Then since this topic showed up and you show up again saying what's wrong or right, then calls everyone elitist or toxic, yet you pinpoint what elitist is but the irony? You act excactly the way you describe an ''elitist''.Quote:
Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi
I don't know excactly how me or anyone else bully you, because we disagree or try to correct you. If anyone does that to me, does it mean I'm bullied? Nope. Can't count how many times i've been corrected by others in this thread too, doesn't give me the right to scream bullied. -
03-24-2018, 07:24 AMzuzu-bq
Today I learned: disagreeing is harassing.
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03-24-2018, 07:32 AMKisaiTenshiNay, there is one time, probably on the same day, where you posted something about someone being unwilling to accept unsolicited advice from yourself in the venting thread, and basically all you did was make the problem worse. You genuinely seem to care about helping people, but don't like it when people refuse it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Miste
Miste, surely you realize that if someone posts something on the internet, and some significant amount of time has passed, bringing it up again without being prompted just makes you look petty. That is what Bourne is doing, that is what akaneakki is doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Miste
https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/duty_calls.pngQuote:
Originally Posted by HyoMinPark
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03-24-2018, 07:36 AMF_Maximillian
As long as you admit you're wrong. :P
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03-24-2018, 07:45 AMSenorPatty
@Bourne & Kisai
You guys could just use the ignore function. Pragmatically speaking, neither of you is going to convince one another, which would be fine if it didn't ultimately end up in a slugfest rally spanning page after page. -
03-24-2018, 07:49 AMChaoticCrimson
Is this the Lochs? Because the amount of salt I'm seeing here over the last several pages is immeasurable.
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03-24-2018, 07:50 AMHyoMinParkYeah, that’s not an answer my question.Quote:
Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi
People are allowed to respond and correct others if they see that someone is posting misinformation on a public discussion forum. That doesn’t make it harassment. Considering you keep responding to people, they’re more than within their rights to respond to you if they so desire. Again, that doesn’t make it harassment. If you don’t want people responding to you, don’t post on social media sites where they can—stick to private blogs that do not allow comments on posts. You can also stop replying to them, and drop the snark.
You were the one who brought it up, actually:Quote:
Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi
The post you responded to only mentioned giving ill advice as a form of “toxicity” or “elitism”, such as not using regens or AOE skills in dungeons. Nowhere was it bringing up a “dead chocobo from 2.x”, as you say. You were the one who brought that up in this post.Quote:
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03-24-2018, 07:52 AMzuzu-bqNah, someone just decided to be the living proof of the thread's topic.Quote:
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03-24-2018, 08:10 AMMisteIt wasn't only one time. You replied to me in more than one thread, but it is whatever. I don't harbor any ill feelings about something that long ago if I had I would have kept you on ignore.Quote:
Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi
No... it isn't that I "don't like it" when people refuse it. I simply "don't understand" why some people refuse it, but me not understanding doesn't matter...the only time I am ever tiny bit more insistent is when the run is at stake from wipes. If people aren't doing stuff that will cause wipes I don't care if they don't want to accept my advice.
Unfortunately that specific situation was almost killing the party. So yes I tried only two times to try to explain to them I am just trying to help and because actively avoiding the party failing seems like a good thing to me.
Two times of a few sentences isn't excessive nor was I rude to them at all, but I know I've told you this already in that very thread so it only shows again you don't listen to what I say usually :/
Unfortunately it was relevant to what you said about parsers since you have in the past made similar mistakes. We all must mind what we post since it is there indefinitely unless deleted by mods. If you are afraid of people remembering things you've posted and mentioning them again it is likely better to just not bother posting unfortunately :/ and I am not saying this to be rude at all or in a bad way, it is simply friendly advice.Quote:
Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi
I mean I always try my best to be respectful to everyone on here, but I am no saint either. I've made mistakes and been more blunt than I should have been sometimes or being sarcastic (usually towards people who do it first, but still). I accept that though and if people wanna say something about something I said in the past I will clarify, accept if I was wrong, or apologize if I did something unnecessary. -
03-24-2018, 08:10 AMKisaiTenshiThen you haven't been paying attention to the thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by HyoMinPark
I make a quip about parser users using unauthorized tools is basically cheating
akaneakki gaslights me by bringing up a comment I made on obsolete content from 2017, and then Bourne_Endeavor also tries to gaslight me with the same comment. Both are using a red herring logical fallacy in order to try and question any validity, legal or otherwise of my statement about unauthorized tools despite the fact that I quoted the EULA for the game.
I don't need to prove anything. -
03-24-2018, 08:13 AMKisaiTenshiIt's not relevant at all. It's like saying you shouldn't eat someones food, because they once burned a cake.Quote:
Originally Posted by Miste
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03-24-2018, 08:38 AMHyoMinParkExcept I have. The post akaneakki made was this one, in response to your Qualities of a Toxic Elitist post:Quote:
Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi
Nowhere in this post is there any mention of you. You were the one who actually made it personal, I’m assuming by construing that “that one person on this forum who said regen shouldn’t be used on tanks” as a personal attack against you. The post is just pointing out that people who have no idea what they’re talking about probably should not be giving advice on things they know nothing of. It doesn’t appear to be a jab at you, from where I am standing, but you apparently took it as such. Why is that?Quote:
Originally Posted by akaneakki
Parser usage is not cheating; I see that you are still standing behind that. A parser shows you numbers, and while it can be programmed to call out specific mechanics/attacks for you, it is still ultimately up to you, the player, to react to them and perform them properly. Parsers can give feedback on performance. But feedback in the form of numbers (that are ultimately meaningless unless you can understand the context surrounding them) is not cheating. Since you define cheating as such:
Parsers do not directly influence one’s performance; one’s performance is influenced by the way people react to data and guides, and how they apply it to themselves. Not by a parser alone. Unless a person can use the data provided in a meaningful way, they do not serve as any influence on performance, and are otherwise meaningless. “Unauthorized tools” would basically cover everything players use to try and improve their performance (video guides, job guides, rotation guides, etc.) except the Official Job Guides published on the Lodestone, which have skill tooltips copied from the game onto the webpage, and basic combos for jobs that have them. But, as far as I know, there is no word on the developers that these things are “unauthorized”.Quote:
Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi
The posts made against you regarding parsers were 1.) the data is not something private, and therefore not an invasion of privacy (since I know that was brought up about 10 pages or so ago); all Battle Log data is publicly available to each and every player in this game, and all a parser does is read it and consolidate it into a single number (e.g., 4,500.00 DPS) instead of “Timmy used Heavy Shot” > “Boss took 2756 damage”; and 2.) you seemed to be confusing a “parser” and a “trigger”; they are not one and the same.
If SE wanted to pursue legal actions against sites like the FFXIV Wiki and FFLogs for “unauthorized use” of their materials, don’t you think they would have done so by now? Considering that they have not, it’s probably not a huge concern of theirs. They probably know that, if they did pursue legal action, more sites would just pop up in their place—which would just start a vicious cycle of pursuing each new site, wasting an insane amount of money on court fees and the like, and, ultimately, not worth the effort. You cite the EULA, but most companies are more than aware of the fact that people rarely follow them to a T; they serve usually as just a means for corporations to cover their butts legally if they so choose. Since SE has not chosen to pursue legal action against these “unauthorized tools”....
If you’ve ever been known to make ill-informed, misinformed, or incorrect statements in the past, well, those sort of things affect your future credibility and reliability. Which is why you should probably research the things you say before you say them, or just humbly accept being corrected, as you were corrected on the difference between “parser” and “trigger”. Rather than continue to argue about it, and claim people are “harassing” you when you continue to reply to them.