Nothing, is not like his name will give me a debuff where i lose 50kgil every second.
What would you do if you THINK you see inappropriate name?
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11-09-2011, 12:01 AMXxOstiaxX
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11-09-2011, 12:03 AMRubicon
There are those who will laugh and move on.
There are those who will not care and move on.
There are those who are genuinely affected and should act on their moral conviction.
And there are those who enjoy being "police" and take pleasure in reporting others because it makes them feel more important. They also usually are mall cops or work elevators at anime conventions. Wannabe authoritarians. -
11-09-2011, 12:17 AMChezen
Wow. I haven't checked on this thread in a while... I honestly thought it would fall into a flame war. I'm really glad I was wrong, and it makes me proud of our community.
A lot of people have stated on here more or less what I meant in my somewhat less than better put post, when I said people posting such names show a lack of respect for authority and for people around them. As other people have said, a person who would make such a name, tends to be a pretty obnoxious person, and it can be indicative of what to expect from him. That's more or less what I meant with my statement.
I did know a guy in another mmo named Balzac IV or something of the sort, and while he was ruff around the edges, he was nice to me. But then, I was a lot more naive then, and how he acted to others, I can't be sure.
People aren't black or white (in terms of being right or wrong), but shades of gray, thats something I tell my mom a lot. They have their reasons for things, and it's not always clear-cut on what is right or wrong. But when it comes to rules, you have to make them black or white. Certain terms are considered vulgar by our respective societies, and therefore culturally taboo. But I think a lot of people mix up "vulgar" with "bad". Vulgar refers to something being gross or distasteful, and includes things like spitting or chewing with your mouth open. People should refrain from doing vulgar things, and displaying vulgar names, simply because it's gross and you should have a better respect for people than that. If you can't respect others, others won't respect you.
Unfortunantly, there is a whole plague of people (kids I hope because adults acting like this is really scary) who treat each other with such disrespect that it's become normal both on forums and in games. Many on here have said to develop a thicker skin... I really don't think anyone should have to. If everyone treated each other with respect, there would be no need for thicker skin. Maybe if we'd be proactive, and treat others with respect and care despite how they treated us, things could effectively change across these communities. I'm not saying that's easy, especially when the negative attitudes pull you down. I've avoided these forums more than once over them.
...I asked my husband this topic question, because I thought it was an interesting one. His reply was, "I wouldn't do anything, but I could see why someone might be upset by it." For myself, it really does depend. There are a lot of names that would go over my head. I still don't know what "Dixie Normas" or whatever means, nor do I want to. There is some ignorance that I think is a perfectly good thing. You can't think "bad" over things you don't know. In these cases, I'm perfectly content with being uninformed. :p -
11-09-2011, 01:36 AMYvesOh hey, that defines your angle clearer so either I misinterpreted or missed it. I am still out on whether or not things like words should cause harm to people. Of course, what should/ought to happen and what does happen is often never the same thing. My main point was to hopefully dull any possible overreaction from people where they take the cyber bullying concept and spin it into something more (and also partially to get divert the conversation from that route.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Rowyne
I think the general consensus is that offensive names need to stop. The area where debate is going to land is the definition. Such a simple problem with a generally immense task to solve!
Really cool discussion and nice exchanges from Rowyne and everyone else! -
11-09-2011, 01:42 AMCrica
Words on a screen from random strangers can't harm anyone unless people choose to use the words as an excuse to harm themselves or each other.
Therefore, it is not the words that harm anyone, but the people.
If people stopped using words as an excuse to cause harm to themselves and each other, we all would be able to use words for what they were meant for - sharing information - instead of resorting to censorship which allows ignorance to flourish. -
11-09-2011, 01:42 AMHartigan_Redsail
lol humiliate your country? Please.
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11-09-2011, 03:10 AMVandarkLMAO I Agree who really cares enough to find the time to worry about someones name, seriously.. pointless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seif
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11-09-2011, 03:12 AMDragonNeighborly love should go jump off a cliff and die. (I'm partially kidding.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bowen
One should have to work to earn respect/love, like anything else. -
11-09-2011, 04:38 AMispanoExcept words, and especially the possible intent behind them can cause harm as they are. There is no need to even go further. Hearing certain words can harm someone. It's not the same as physical harm, and many people can just ignore it and not let it affect them. Regardless, it still does affect some people. You believe they can't harm, but they can. If you choose not to accept it, well that's your problem and i'd ask that you keep your forceful opinion on the matter to yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crica
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11-09-2011, 04:42 AMispanoAgreed. People who think they automatically deserve respect just for existing, no. I won't disrespect you either, but until you prove, not intentionally of course, if you deserve it or not, I'll withhold it. And before anyone feels they have to please me to earn my respect, that's no true either. If I see your normal self worthy of respect, then you get it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dragon
Like the term "respect your elders".... Only if they are deserving of it in my eyes. And it doesn't take much either. -
11-09-2011, 04:45 AMLavaniReally, so an entire culture is "doing it wrong" according to you? In Mexican culture, people have respect, and are respected the moment you meet them. There is no reason why they should "earn" a person's respect. The only thing that is earned, is the loss of respect.Quote:
Originally Posted by ispano
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11-09-2011, 04:53 AMispanoThat's my opinion. And my opinion is as such because I see MANY people who feel they should be respected just for existing, but when I see their personality, I just cannot do so. And when I say earn, I don't mean they need to do things to earn it. For example, if I meet someone new, i'm neutral to them. If I now see that person do something helpful by choice, like helping the elderly or almost anything, they have just earned respect. If I see them do something stupid (in my eyes for this and the previous, obviously) like say parking their car in the middle of the street just to talk to someone, they lose respect, if any was had in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lavani
EDIT: This comes from a different mentality. Many people believe you should automatically smile when you meet someone new. Some people don't think that way. I was neutral towards you initially, and since there's no real change in the "relationship" i'm still neutral towards you, not your best friend. But the other side often takes this as me/someone being angry or upset at them, when it's far from the truth.
Here's a link to explain what I mean, it's #2 on the second page.
http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-mislea...-quiet-people/ -
11-09-2011, 05:12 AMTetsaru
Man, all these people talking about how words are hurtful and all this cyber-bullying and suicide stuff... sticks and stones, people. If you're really letting other people talk down to you, maybe you should, I dunno... muster up some courage and confidence, stand up for yourself, and address the problem instead of crying about it? :rolleyes: It's like the old saying goes, "If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything." I understand a lot of people go through issues like this, but c'mon, being a whiny little emo kid who cries a lot and cuts himself isn't going to help anything. Often times, people who like to harass others will back off when they find out their prey has the balls to fight back; they don't get the sense of empowerment anymore.
Now, how all this relates to character names in FF14... it's like I said earlier - most of the time, I just laugh and move on. The only real issue I've ever seen with someone who made an "offensive" character name in an online game was when they actually gave their character a ridiculous-looking outfit and ran around spamming racist and sexually derogatory phrases and emotes to other people in-game. That's definitely a problem, but that goes beyond just the character's name, of course. Besides, you can always type /names to stop displaying them if it bothers you that badly, right? :p
I agree with this as well. Harassing people, as well as trying to "bring justice" to said harassers... a lot of people don't realize that some other people get their kicks from the sense of empowerment these actions bring. Same thing with people like corrupt politicians who get laws passed that benefit themselves or their friends and family rather than help the general population, religious zealots that get a large group of followers believing ridiculous ideals that they would throw away their lives for, those who lead a large business organization and focus on making more money rather than the quality of their product and their customer service, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rubicon
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11-09-2011, 07:34 AMRowyneLOL, I was hoping you misinterpreted! It was easy to do from a glance if you didn't follow a chunk of the thread in progression. I wish I could have used a more relevant comparison, but that was really the best example I could give. No harm. Your post was very well written. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Yves
I agree! As others have said, this thread could have gone down in a ball of flames. It's remained relatively civil.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yves
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11-09-2011, 07:36 AMGreencactaur
Ignore it and grow up.
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11-09-2011, 08:09 AMDragonRight!Quote:
Originally Posted by ispano
Exactly, I'd say it's the most hypocritical saying in the world. Whose elders are they talking about? Their own? Well, maybe the elders I respect are those best equipped for respect.Quote:
Like the term "respect your elders".... Only if they are deserving of it in my eyes. And it doesn't take much either.
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11-09-2011, 08:15 AMCricaNope, they can not.Quote:
Originally Posted by ispano
Words can never do anything at all to anyone period.
A person can choose to use words as an excuse to cause harm to themselves or others, however.
It's the same concept as "a gun can not harm anyone, but people can choose to use a gun to harm themselves or others". -
11-09-2011, 09:19 AMKailea_Nagisayou completely failed at understanding this thread, niceQuote:
Originally Posted by Greencactaur
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11-09-2011, 09:19 AMKailea_NagisaQuote:
Originally Posted by Crica
but if the gun did not exist in the first place human would not have it to use, same as words -
11-09-2011, 09:23 AMispanoYou're still trying to relate it to physical harm. The proper use of words can harm someone emotionally or perhaps mentally. Could that person be weak willed? Sure, but it still remains that without the words said in the first place, the harm would not have happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crica
I'm all for people learning to be stronger willed and not let such things bother them. But I still understand that it does happen. Regardless of you trying to say otherwise. -
11-09-2011, 11:06 AMDragon"But if the <item> did not exist..."Quote:
Originally Posted by Kailea_Nagisa
People can kill with their bare hands. -
11-09-2011, 11:10 AMLavani
You guys realize that the only reason these "words" are "offensive" is because a long time ago, in a land not so far away, it was the poor folks way of speaking?
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11-09-2011, 11:34 AMKailea_Nagisa......... go away.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Lavani
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11-09-2011, 11:39 AMBowenThis is partially true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dragon
Everyone should respect another person and their opinions to a certain degree. Now, people lose and gain respect based on their actions. You shouldn't judge another before you know them. If you find that they are disrespectful of you or someone else, then you lose respect of them (Or rather, I hope you would) and if they do nice things and respect others than they deserve more respect. -
11-09-2011, 11:58 AMBowenDoesn't matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lavani
You can make excuses all you want about it but, it is still mean, offensive, and rude to use such language ESPECIALLY if someone asks you not to use the word or w/e -
11-09-2011, 12:16 PMCricaAnd if I find what you just said to be mean, rude and offensive and then ask you to not say it anymore and decide you should only say what I want you to from now on?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bowen
Do you see where this is leading? It leads to control issues and censorship.
Telling someone to not use words just because you don't like them is not a productive reason to stop using words - censorship and allowing yourself to be controlled only leads to one place - ignorance.
If you are "offended" at any words, that is your own problem because you created your own problem by choosing to be "offended" at any words.
Your feelings are your own and are not caused by anyone else but yourself and your own opinions.
Take responsibility for your own feelings and figure out why you decided to hold the opinion that any words are "offensive" and stop expecting others to be responsible for your feelings and your opinions that they have absolutely no control over. -
11-09-2011, 12:39 PMispanoIt's normal to judge someone, even without knowing them. If I see someone on the street i've never seen before, i'll make a judgement on the spot about him based on how he looks, how he walks, what he's doing and many other things. That's very normal. People telling me not to judge, are basically telling me not to think. Now this isn't a permanent thing either, if I see that person more and he does different things that would make that original judgement wrong, then it changes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bowen
Also, I respect no one that I have never met, don't know, whatever. But I also don't disrespect them either. -
11-09-2011, 12:41 PMispanoWhile this all is true, it still doesn't change that some people are hurt by certain words. I never said not to say them, I never said not to use them. The game however has rules, if you feel the name violates the rules, report it. If SE agrees, the name changes. The other thing about the game is free speech doesn't apply within.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crica
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11-09-2011, 01:45 PMBowenNot trying to censor you but, what I am trying to say is: If someone finds a word or phrase to be offensive, don't use it in front of them at least. And you should also think as to why they might find it offensive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crica
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11-09-2011, 02:03 PMLavaniWhy would you say that? It's hurtful and disrespectful.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kailea_Nagisa
Why do people find the word S**t offensive? Well to find that out we have to tell a story and I'll try to keep it short:
There once was a king know to his people as Edward the Confessor. He was know as this because he never wanted to be king, the poor chap just wanted to be a monk. Similarly his wife Edith of Wessex wanted to be a nun. And so it came to be that their marriage was never consummated and then he died.
The death of a king, and no offspring to take the throne, resulted in a fierce dispute between three men. These men were, William the conqueror duke of Normady(or William the bastard), Harold Godwinson, the powerful Earl of Wessex; and the Viking King Harald III of Norway, known as Harald Hardraada.
In what is know as the Norman Invasion there is a very important battle to take note of. The battle of Hastings. While Harald and Harold fought in the north of England, William made his way to London. After his victory over Harald, Harold heard of Williams plans, and made his way south in 5 days time. Because news happens to travel fast in these times, William heard of Harold's march from London and left the castle with his army and advanced towards the enemy.
The actual battle took place about 7 miles from Hastings and lasted all day. After much fighting Harold II was killed in the battle. Legend has it that he was shot through the eye with an arrow because a rumor was started within the battlefield that the new king was dead! Trying to set right the rumor, like all good citizens, Harold removed his helmet and shouted to his troops that he was still alive.
And so William the Conqueror became the king ending the Anglo-Saxon reign in England. He brought with him Frenchmen and awarded them high standing offices for their help in claiming his crown. This led to a shift in language among the high class from the Anglo-Saxon to French.
People began to use more and more French words, because it was the language of the nobles. Because of this words that were used on a daily basis became taboo because it was not noble to speak Anglo-Saxon anymore. This is why you can help your mother spread manure but you better not call it S**T! -
11-09-2011, 02:08 PMBowenI'm not really so much offended by that word but, there are other words. . . hurtful ones. . . that people (And me) don't like being called or having it said near them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lavani
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11-09-2011, 02:12 PMLavaniCool, you can't think past the one example.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bowen
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11-09-2011, 02:27 PMBowenI totally understand what the example is. And it makes sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lavani
What I am saying is, there are other words that are REALLY hurtful.
EX: There is a word that 'White' people would call slaves and African Americans. Now, if someone (Doesn't matter what race they are. But, it is more hurtful coming from a "White" man) calls an African-American that name then well, it is demeaning, disrespectful, racist, etc.
This is a more serious case than others.
And really, why do people NEED to curse? Is it REALLY needed? -
11-09-2011, 02:54 PMBearforceno one[SIZE="7"]cares[/SIZE] about it. just enjoy the game and dont be a dramaqueen. its friggin name that wont touch your slit. end of discussion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bowen
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11-09-2011, 02:58 PMBowenI care. . . And I am sure other people do too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bearforce
Though I think this has gotten a little off topic.
ANYWAYS,
I usually just laugh at people's names and move on.
I have yet to see one name that I thought was so offensive that I had to B-list someone. (Actually I havent B-listed anyone. . .) But, I would if I felt that it was that bad. -
11-09-2011, 02:58 PMdarkstarpoet1that depends on what i say. if i am in a group like my static i play with all the time and someone comes into the group and doesn't like the discussions they are welcome to leave. i am not changing my behavior for someone else. if i say something they feel is offensive they are welcome to tell me what they find offensive, but if it is something that i do in fun with that group with nothing rude meant by it then i will not be changing. if it's a simple word that is taken out of context and they take it the wrong way i'll explain my position on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bowen
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11-09-2011, 03:02 PMBowenYeah, I don't mind people cursing around me. Students at my school cuss right in my teachers' faces and get no punishment.Quote:
Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1
But, if it is racial, prejudice, or directed towards someone in a hurtful way, That's not cool. -
11-09-2011, 05:08 PMCricaNo, because I am not responsible for anyone's feelings or opinions but my own. If they are offended at any words, they can take responsibility for their own feelings and opinions of those words and do as they see fit - as long as it does not involve trying to control me, physically hurt me or censor me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bowen
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11-09-2011, 05:24 PMKailea_NagisaQuote:
Originally Posted by Crica
or you could start acting like the adult you are trying to sound like, and keep yourself in check in a "public place" its call common courtesy, use it. -
11-09-2011, 05:27 PMCricaI could say the same to you - then what? We just keep trying to control and censor each other based on our own feelings and opinions that only belong to ourselves and no one else? No, thank you. I will pass on that offer. I will be responsible for my own feelings and opinions and not force them upon anyone else, but I refuse to be responsible for yours or anyone else's nor allow others to force them upon me, sorry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kailea_Nagisa