Cash shop confirmed

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Originally Posted by PotatoTree

The issue I'm having is that now everything not "progression" is on the table for cash shop.

New dye colors? New cute minions? New cool mounts? More vanity gear (ie lighting, dragon quest, etc)? Are they all on the table for cash shop now and we're ok with it? So if 1 out of the next 20 mounts is cash shop is that ok? 1 out of the next 10? Next 5? Next 2? You want a metallic copper dye? Well that'll be $2? I guess furniture items are not progression either right? $5 for the moogle desk is fine?

I'm not ok with this :c

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Have you seen how we always get two versions of primal furniture? Starting with the expansion, with the new primals, I can see the "shiny" ones becoming cash-only.

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Originally Posted by Alukah

Have you seen how we always get two versions of primal furniture? Starting with the expansion, with the new primals, I can see the "shiny" ones becoming cash-only.

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Kinda wondering too about the 'side stuff' coming up soon, the card game and choco racing. No doubt there will be stats and mechanics in those, and since its not main progression, extras would easily be swayed into those.

Really am disappointed in the fact that a cash shop of any kind is being implemented into this game. Given the game's rocky history, you'd think that they'd tread more lightly in regards to asking for more money for vanity-related items, but I was always of the opinion that these items should be obtainable through the game because of the way the game is designed: crafters and their recipes. Oh, and nevermind the fact that we pay a subscription, anymore. Apparently, this means nothing.

*sigh*

I think I may have noticed a little something.
So you remember all the complaints about how hard vanity is to obtain right, certain pieces like Waterproof cloth and the like? The devs saying they want vanity to be difficult to obtain? Welp, it's so they can catch you into buying them from the cash shop later on.
People are already getting caught:

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Originally Posted by AmalahRose

I hope I can buy a Nutkin, prices on Balmung are ridiculous at the moment. :D

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How long until we can buy plots of land with our wages then?

If they plan on selling vanity items for real money, I demand they stop using my subscription fees to develop vanity content. You don't get to charge people for something and then charge them again to access it.

After 10 years of playing SE MMOs, I will absolutely drop my subscription and never touch an SE title again.

Idk about you guys but I'm super excited to go gentle into that good night.

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Originally Posted by Kiroh

If they plan on selling vanity items for real money, I demand they stop using my subscription fees to develop vanity content. You don't get to charge people for something and then charge them again to access it.

After 10 years of playing SE MMOs, I will absolutely drop my subscription and never touch an SE title again.

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What ARE they using our money for? The MMO was budgeted on 400'000 subs and is well over that now, and yet Ishgard is 90% re-used assets and a mess of models that already existed before too - some of them not even making sense lore wise. One primal trial every 3 months? Coil aesthetic constantly recycled? No DX11?

No idea where the money goes aside from terrible iOS games with just as dubious economic practices.

cant wait to get my Odin Mount :D

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Originally Posted by vientown

What ARE they using our money for? The MMO was budgeted on 400'000 subs and is well over that now, and yet Ishgard is 90% re-used assets and a mess of models that already existed before too - some of them not even making sense lore wise. One primal trial every 3 months? Coil aesthetic constantly recycled? No DX11?

No idea where the money goes aside from terrible iOS games with just as dubious economic practices.

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DX11 is coming, where were you?

Geez, everyone is overreacting. I'm sure you won't find any better MMO. In past 15 years, about 15-16 mmos I've tested and play. This by far is better one not best.

I'm on the fence about the vanity items. Excluding the sleipnir mount arent they only selling past event items?

Regardless, its bad enough having to pay for 2 additional retainers, now crafters/gatheres must compete with not only rng but a cash shop that sell the item for less the $5. Vs the a million gil on MB

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Originally Posted by MiniTofu

DX11 is coming, where were you?

Geez, everyone is overreacting. I'm sure you won't find any better MMO. In past 15 years, about 15-16 mmos I've tested and play. This by far is better one not best.

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DX11 has been coming since 2.0, they keep saying that it's 'getting there' or progressing, but there's no evidence that ANYTHING has been made of it yet. They haven't announced any sort of release date yet either, that's really ridiculous especially considering we are now at the first xpac.

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Originally Posted by myahele

I'm on the fence about the vanity items. Excluding the sleipnir mount arent they only selling past event items?

Regardless, its bad enough having to pay for 2 additional retainers, now crafters/gatheres must compete with not only rng but a cash shop that sell the item for less the $5. Vs the a million gil on MB

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You are absolutely right about it destroying the crafting economy. The mini Y'shtola and other new scion minions are cash shop only. They are $5 each which means essentially $15 + maybe $20 for Sleipnir as an account mount.

Does anyone have any screenshots of the cash shop? I wanna see what's being sold there with my own eyes.

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Originally Posted by MiniTofu

DX11 is coming, where were you?

Geez, everyone is overreacting. I'm sure you won't find any better MMO. In past 15 years, about 15-16 mmos I've tested and play. This by far is better one not best.

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and thats exactly why im so angry about this, i love this game and the last thing i wante to see is a cash shop. now i just can play it anymore because of this horrible practice.
i really hope they drop the cash shop. till then they are not gonna see any more money from me.

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Originally Posted by saeedaisspecial

You are completely missing the point. The issue isn't that it's simple to "just not buy it", but the fact that from now on, potential content will be lost to the cash shop just so SE can make an extra few dollars off of you every pay day.

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This is where voicing your opinion comes in. The angry mob is the loudest, everyone that feels this way should speak up in fact in encourage it. When they hear everyones complaints they will most likely get rid of it.

Again, stopping your sub does not resolve the situation. However, you are still entitled to drop it if you see fit. Yoshi-P won't know why you did, but you can still do just that. ( Voicing your concerns and not suckering into buy those vanity items will remedy the situation.)

Edit: PS: As long as these items are obtainable in game in some way or fashion, then I don't care if they have a cash shop. If they are not, and you can only get them through paying real money for it, then I don't like that either.

I'm seriously disappointed with the cash shop, even as a 1.0 player that has always supported the game.
They started with a good idea, selling services and items you can no longer obtain, like limited event items. That's reasonable.

But in my opinion, P2P games shouldn't have cash shops - all content should be able to be accessed by anyone, because they're already funding the game by subscribing.
And I feel the same way about bonus items being given away at events and soundtracks, but I can live with that since I get a cool soundtrack or art book I can listen to.

However, cash shops are just wrong. Mainly because at some point in development, the team came to Yoshi and said:
"hey we got these 3 cute minions and this awesome mount ready. Where should we put it?"
And he chose to sell them, instead of putting them in-game. He chose to strip content from the game to sell an item.
And you can think "vanity isn't content". Well, there had to be lore on those item descriptions and in the minion/mount guides.
Probably even a quest with more odin story to get sleipnir, or just a reason to give us the Urth's Fount trial in-game.
Now we have to pay again for that lore - for that content.

Just because another P2P MMO has a cash shop, it's not a reason for us to accept that.
At the same time, I know we cannot change or stop it...

I love FFXIV for the story and the content and the people I play with - but also love to collect the items, so I'm seriously heartbroken.
I can't bring myself to unsub, and I'll probably end up paying for the items.. but it makes me sad.
Makes me sad to think people that enjoy these things like me won't have the same opportunities as I have even though they're also paying monthly.
Makes me sad to think what other awesome things they'll put cash-only next. Furniture? Costumes? Dyes? Gold Saucer coins? Triple Triad card packages?
It's just.. sad.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

Again, stopping your sub does not resolve the situation. However, you are still entitled to drop it if you see fit. Yoshi-P won't know why you did, but you can still do just that. ( Voicing your concerns and not suckering into buy those vanity items will remedy the situation.)

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I have every bit of confidence in Yoshi P's reasoning ability to figure out why people unsubbed the day a cash shop was announced.

Just something I don't see being considered here; Since SE are selling previous patch minions through this, what's to say that the Sleipnir mount isn't just a rare drop from Odin as well? Say, if the cash shop came out earlier it would be either grind for Nightmare or just buy it. I personally don't see why just because the Odin mount is in the cash shop that it can't be in the game as well, do they honestly have to be mutually exclusive?

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Originally Posted by SirEdeonX

Makes me sad to think what other awesome things they'll put cash-only next. Furniture? Costumes? Dyes? Gold Saucer coins? Triple Triad card packages?

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My thoughts exactly. Once they ease the bulk of folks into the cash shop system they'll be able to start expanding it into other fields with minimal backlash. Maybe it'd be easier for folks to take if they got a few bucks shaved off of their monthly sub fee but I kinda doubt that SE will be doing that for us.

Also the folks calling others "greedy" for NOT supporting SE in this move while letting SE completely off the hook are very confusing people haha.

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Originally Posted by Seaku

Just something I don't see being considered here; Since SE are selling previous patch minions through this, what's to say that the Sleipnir mount isn't just a rare drop from Odin as well? Say, if the cash shop came out earlier it would be either grind for Nightmare or just buy it. I personally don't see why just because the Odin mount is in the cash shop that it can't be in the game as well, do they honestly have to be mutually exclusive?

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None of the minions are ingame or from previous patches. They are new.

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Originally Posted by Seaku

Just something I don't see being considered here; Since SE are selling previous patch minions through this, what's to say that the Sleipnir mount isn't just a rare drop from Odin as well? Say, if the cash shop came out earlier it would be either grind for Nightmare or just buy it. I personally don't see why just because the Odin mount is in the cash shop that it can't be in the game as well, do they honestly have to be mutually exclusive?

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Diablo III Lethargy: Why put the work and effort into learning a fight, why run it 50x for the chance of a rare drop when you can put down $10-20 and get it instantly? In fact, the more times you run Odin, you'll find that the trial is exhausting and if you are unlucky for so long, you'll eventually put the money down.

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Originally Posted by Lokgar

I have every bit of confidence in Yoshi P's reasoning ability to figure out why people unsubbed the day a cash shop was announced.

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That is the people decision to make if they feel just like you. However, unsubbing will only hurt the game and it will eventually start delaying patches/expansions and what not. Yes your right to say that is Yoshi-P's fault, but if people don't want to see FFXIV make progress of content or even the game in general, then I question if they ever really like the game to begin with. Just simply stop subbing over a cash shop that is not pay 2 win, won't help the game any.

Again, that is everyones decision to make, I am just giving my opinion here, nothing more.

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Originally Posted by SirEdeonX

None of the minions are ingame or from previous patches. They are new.

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It was something from previous patch. Seasonal items was it, I'm sure it was mentioned that one of the plans for the cash shop was you can get 1.0 items and old seasonal goods or something. Some of those are minions I'd wager like the small princess doll.

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Originally Posted by vientown

Diablo III Lethargy: Why put the work and effort into learning a fight, why run it 50x for the chance of a rare drop when you can put down $10-20 and get it instantly? In fact, the more times you run Odin, you'll find that the trial is exhausting and if you are unlucky for so long, you'll eventually put the money down.

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I don't get why that would be a problem if BOTH exist. If the person has that much of a problem with the cash shop he'll just keep doing the trial.
Also for the first bit, because it's fun? I do second coil at the moment just because it's fun, getting gear at this point is just a bonus after you've downed the content.

And if you are worried about 'people would just buy it on cash shop' somehow marginalizing the achievement of grinding for it, have them be different colours, have an emblem on it, do something to make it distinct so people can see where you got it?

Casual players have gotten what they want. How else was Squeenix supposed to answer the casual players cry for some better looking gear? Some people don't feel like killing Ifrit with a 1% drop chance at getting a horse. If people are fortunate enough to have the extra money to spice their character up how they'd like and don't have extra time to farm, so be it, the loot looks different, but now the causal player can have an identity.

The people that are saying this is the end because they have to decided whether or not new content is going in the cash shop or in the game, I don't think that was ever a question, I think all it shows now is that they have an abundance of content and instead of giving it a .0001% drop rate on some EM primal, they have enough content to give the casual player a chance to ride a horse around. They have finally reached a point in the game where their not pushing themselves to the limit for more content, there's is finally extra.

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Originally Posted by Stignodding

Casual players have gotten what they want. How else was Squeenix supposed to answer the casual players cry for some better looking gear? Some people don't feel like killing Ifrit with a 1% drop chance at getting a horse. If people are fortunate enough to have the extra money to spice their character up how they'd like and don't have extra time to farm, so be it, the loot looks different, but now the causal player can have an identity.

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See but that's the thing. Giving people a chance to buy a rare drop they can't seem to get, it's fine.
Making people buy something that they cannot obtain by any means in-game it's not.

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Originally Posted by Seaku

It was something from previous patch. Seasonal items was it, I'm sure it was mentioned that one of the plans for the cash shop was you can get 1.0 items and old seasonal goods or something. Some of those are minions I'd wager like the small princess doll.

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Yes they did show the 4 pumpkin heads and the 2 halloween ghost costumes from the previous events. Which I don't mind, because everyone had the chance to get them.

However, the minions they showed were Y'shtola, Yda and Papalymo, and Sleipnir mount after. These 4 items are new and not obtainable in-game.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

That is the people decision to make if they feel just like you. However, unsubbing will only hurt the game and it will eventually start delaying patches/expansions and what not. Yes your right to say that is Yoshi-P's fault, but if people don't want to see FFXIV make progress of content or even the game in general, then I question if they ever really like the game to begin with. Just simply stop subbing over a cash shop that is not pay 2 win, won't help the game any.

Again, that is everyones decision to make, I am just giving my opinion here, nothing more.

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well i really hope it hurt the game hard enough that make them think it was a very bad idea and drop the cash shop, saddly, it wont happen., good thing i have more games to play that dont have cashshops

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Originally Posted by SirEdeonX

See but that's the thing. Giving people a chance to buy a rare drop they can't seem to get, it's fine.
Making people buy something that they cannot obtain by any means in-game it's not.

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You want people to be able to buy the loot you worked so hard for?

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Originally Posted by Arisme

well i really hope it hurt the game hard enough that make them think it was a very bad idea and drop the cash shop, saddly, it wont happen., good thing i have more games to play that dont have cashshops

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"You hope it hurts the game?" I wonder if you liked the game to begin with -.-.

Their not making any one buy or do anything for that matter. If it's a secret to all of you, this would be one of the only P2p games without a cash shop, as I said, they finally have extra content, like old content from past festivals, we never would have seen that otherwise, it's nice I now have that option if I missed it and really wanted that item.

I'll tell you what.. SE can have their stupid cash shop for all I care. But the moment they start throwing advertisements for it on the start up screens and loading screens, that's it it's over. I don't want to see a single advertising on cash shop items while I start or play the game that I already pay a subscription for.

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Originally Posted by Stignodding

You want people to be able to buy the loot you worked so hard for?

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You want people to be able to buy things you can't even get?

Because I couldn't care less if they buy something I worked hard for. I work hard for things I want to get, I don't care about what others get - it doesn't take away my enjoyment of the game.
I care about what I can't get unless I pay. I care about being robbed of content.

Just make the odin mount a reward in subs.
That way u r "technically" paying real monies & at some point each player will eventually get it. No cash shop sooooo everyone wins!
Y everyone gotta be so dramatic about it.

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Originally Posted by Natashio

I'll teil you what.. SE can have their stupid cash shop for all I care. But the moment they start throwing advertisements for it on the start up screens and loading screens, that's it it's over. I don't want to see a single advertising on cash shop items while I start or play the game that I already pay a subscription for.

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You can bet it will at least be on the launcher the day 2.4 hits.

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Originally Posted by Stignodding

Their not making any one buy or do anything for that matter. If it's a secret to all of you, this would be one of the only P2p games without a cash shop, as I said, they finally have extra content, like old content from past festivals, we never would have seen that otherwise, it's nice I now have that option if I missed it and really wanted that item.

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Again, just because everyone jumps off a bridge, doesn't mean you should.

And selling previous event gear is a good move. I don't mind that, because I payed for a subscription and completed the event. And it makes me happy to know people will have the opportunity to get gear they missed.

However new stuff? I find it impossible to accept that.

I came to this game exactly because it's a P2P game. I don't agree with cash shop even if it is just vanity items. I tend not to trust companies who say this is just vanity items cause as I saw they add more and more items in cash shop later. Also I don't agree with the F2P model. P2P is more honest.

slippery slope. :(

I'm not keen on the idea at all. Like others have said, getting bonus in-game stuff with actual items (soundtrack, art book, etc.) is fine because it's just an extra. Having to buy old event gear when previously it's been available through the event npc merchant for some gil doesn't feel good (alts, new players, what about the stuff that can be put on the mb?).

And yeah, having to buy cool stuffs with RL money... where does it stop? :/

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Originally Posted by Alberel

So you won't mind if they do this with any future items? So say... they make some awesome new raid loot then instead replace all the skins on them with crappy level 1 skins and instead sell the skins as glamour items in the cash shop. You wouldn't mind that?

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It's funny how much you people blow this out of proportion when no MMORPG as of 2014 has done this unless it was already doing it from the start. It's time to get over it and realize this is optional and will be optional. Hey did I have to buy Second Coil gear or decent graphics after they added Fantasias to the Mog Station...the cash shop that already existed? Did i have to buy Ramuh's fight and gear after they added purchasable Retainers?

No?

Okay then.

I don't know what I find more appalling, the fact that SE is actually doing this, or the fact that there are people who actually seem happy about it. First of all, adding a cash shop is a big slap in the face to all paying subscribers. We're essentially being told, "your monthly subscription is no longer enough; you may no longer access all content unless you pay us extra." Doesn't matter if it's vanity or otherwise. For over a year, our subs have paid for us to access the game in its entirety, without being excluded from any content.

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Originally Posted by SirEdeonX

Again, just because everyone jumps off a bridge, doesn't mean you should.

And selling previous event gear is a good move. I don't mind that, because I payed for a subscription and completed the event. And it makes me happy to know people will have the opportunity to get gear they missed.

However new stuff? I find it impossible to accept that.

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Well I feel sorry for you man, it sounds like your looking for a pay to win type environment. If they let people buy the gear I worked months in game getting, that's what would make me un-happy. Thank god their not, their letting people buy stuff that is purely for show.

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Originally Posted by Stignodding

Well I feel sorry for you man, it sounds like your looking for a pay to win type environment. If they let people buy the gear I worked months in game getting, that's what would make me un-happy. Thank god their not, their letting people buy stuff that is purely for show.

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Jumping off a bridge? I think your finding your self in agreeance with what I'm saying about no, just because other people are using the cash shop dosn't mean you have too. It's completely optional and separate from your experience.

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Originally Posted by ThanatosPrimordialis

I don't know what I find more appalling, the fact that SE is actually doing this, or the fact that there are people who actually seem happy about it. First of all, adding a cash shop is a big slap in the face

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The grand majority of you were begging SE to add purchasable Fantasias and extra retainers and even complained when you could only buy a limited amount. Did you suddenly forget about that?