Wedding service in FFXIV

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Originally Posted by Quatre

If you guys really want to get started on the whole "This is just a word" point, you may as well go around calling each other nigg**s,

Secondly, Dubont i'm not exactly sure how you are under the impression the "GLBT community TOOK those words and changed their meaning" It's similarly how black people didn't come up with the N word. They were created to BE derogatory.

Thirdly. You refer to Homosexuals as "Them" "They call themselves fags! They made the word! They're asking for it!" This amount of ignorance and elitism is unacceptable. WE are people, whatever a persons orientation is does NOT make them separate from you in ANY way. Perhaps your friend got mad at you because you say you are his friend yet disrespect him and think of him on a whole level below you. I'm surprised you didn't start calling him an It, I guess you haven't hit rock bottom yet.



Funny enough, I totally agree with you. Screw Marriage in the game. It's a useless messed up tool created by corrupt societies anyway....

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Marriage means different things to different people tho :(. some use it for love, some use it for political reasons, some use it for monetary gain.... etc.

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Originally Posted by Quatre

If you guys really want to get started on the whole "This is just a word" point, you may as well go around calling each other nigg**s,

Secondly, Dubont i'm not exactly sure how you are under the impression the "GLBT community TOOK those words and changed their meaning" It's similarly how black people didn't come up with the N word. They were created to BE derogatory.

Thirdly. You refer to Homosexuals as "Them" "They call themselves fags! They made the word! They're asking for it!" This amount of ignorance and elitism is unacceptable. WE are people, whatever a persons orientation is does NOT make them separate from you in ANY way. Perhaps your friend got mad at you because you say you are his friend yet disrespect him and think of him on a whole level below you. I'm surprised you didn't start calling him an It, I guess you haven't hit rock bottom yet.



Funny enough, I totally agree with you. Screw Marriage in the game. It's a useless messed up tool created by corrupt societies anyway....

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man, them and they is just a word used to point out two or more of something. It would be no different in calling men them or women they or dogs they or Egyptians them, (do you like orange trees? I've never seen them before!) you've got some serious issues on the subject and THIS is why this trash marriage idea should be left out of this game because not EVERYONE (i hope 'everyone' doesn't offend you Quatre) can agree on the subject and its a little more then game mechanics... its a real life issue. Offending people on real life issues is not a good business strategy.

As mentioned, other MMO's have done it, and did not go crashing and burning from doing it. FFXI added marriage too, and did not crash and burn from it either.

Damn near every MMO from Ultima Online to Rift has some sort of wedding service. This game will be no exception.

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Originally Posted by Reika

As mentioned, other MMO's have done it, and did not go crashing and burning from doing it. FFXI added marriage too, and did not crash and burn either.

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Though in XI it's for opposite sex partners only and it pretty much sux. I'd hate to see them pull a bigoted move like that again, especially since XIV is full of sexual references everywhere, straight or gay, and some of them are quite racy may I add >_> I'd rather have no marriage at all than witnessing this all over again.

It screws over the whole community as people roleplaying an opposite sex of their real life one get cut out too. What about all the straight guys trapped in Miqo'te bodies? :(

This is true, but Yoshida said they plan on having male miqo'te and female roeg's by PS3 Release :D! Even so, there would still be those man cats out there who would stay female cat, and they shouldn't be banned from marriage with a female happening to be playing a female or even another male happening to be playing a female for it.

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Originally Posted by Reika

As mentioned, other MMO's have done it, and did not go crashing and burning from doing it. FFXI added marriage too, and did not crash and burn from it either.

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FFXI did not promote same sex marriage either.

To many people marriage is a man and a woman, however when you throw in same sex marriage (which is not a normal household idea in most cases) people start to think so therefore when opposite sex marriage was introduced to FFXI there where not a lot of complaints (Because nobody bought the game just to marry a freaking fictional character) and THIS is why it did not crash but now your bringing in something irregular to the mass population of the world and you will see problems. Instead of asking for all of these problems by introducing either opposite marriage only or both opposite and same sex marriage howabout just leave it out? Its a terrible concept anyway, instead you all want to be so stubborn and selfish by asking for such a dumbass feature you do not care about other peoples real life feelings on the topic.

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Originally Posted by Morticous

FFXI did not promote same sex marriage either.

To many people marriage is a man and a woman, however when you throw in same sex marriage (which is not a normal household idea in most cases) people start to think so therefore when opposite sex marriage was introduced to FFXI there where not a lot of complaints (Because nobody bought the game just to marry a freaking fictional character) and THIS is why it did not crash but now your bringing in something irregular to the mass population of the world and you will see problems. Instead of asking for all of these problems by introducing either opposite marriage only or both opposite and same sex marriage howabout just leave it out? Its a terrible concept anyway, instead you all want to be so stubborn and selfish by asking for such a dumbass feature you do not care about other peoples real life feelings on the topic.

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Isn't it selfish for not considering the feelings of those who want or agree with same sex marriage as well? If they were to put it in the game, they should not be so narrow minded as to only follow the 'social norm'.

By if, I mean when.

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Originally Posted by Reika

Isn't it selfish for not considering the feelings of those who want or agree with same sex marriage as well? If they were to put it in the game, they should not be so narrow minded as to only follow the 'social norm'.

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I would agree, that itslef is selfish as well however that is why i said leave it out all together. Consider this, some people believe its ok to marry 13 year old children, and they really honestly believe it should be their right, are you apposed to it? And if you are apposed to it, why? who can say who is truly mature enough to be married? I think plenty of people between 16-18 and even 19-29 (an even older) are CLEARLY not mature enough to be married, why is age 18 without consent the law? isn't this narrow minded? Would you be ok if they started building this kind of thing in game? and to that extent how can you tell (pretend your a parent of a child that plays this game but you do not) your 13 year old daughter isn't in game marring a 40 year old man who claims to be 15? Just leave it out, its too confrontational.

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Originally Posted by Morticous

I would agree, that itslef is selfish as well however that is why i said leave it out all together. Consider this, some people believe its ok to marry 13 year old children, and they really honestly believe it should be their right, are you apposed to it? And if you are apposed to it, why? who can say who is truly mature enough to be married? I think plenty of people between 16-18 and even 19-29 (an even older) are CLEARLY not mature enough to be married, why is age 18 without consent the law? isn't this narrow minded? Would you be ok if they started building this kind of thing in game? and to that extent how can you tell (pretend your a parent of a child that plays this game but you do not) your 13 year old daughter isn't in game marring a 40 year old man who claims to be 15? Just leave it out, its too confrontational.

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That is why online interactions cannot be rated. Every game that has the ability to have online interactions with others tells you that. If it isnt somewhere on the box of FFXIV it needs to be >.>. Thus the parent of that 13 year old should probably play the game with that 13 year old and make sure that 13 year old doesn't do anything crazy. But then again it is up to that parent now.

Actually it does say it, right under the T rating.

And, laws that nation/state leaders come up with determine such things as marrying 13 year olds.... its not a moral issue, its a legal issue. Moral for the ones that want it i suppose.

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Originally Posted by Reika

That is why online interactions cannot be rated. Every game that has the ability to have online interactions with others tells you that. If it isnt somewhere on the box of FFXIV it needs to be >.>. Thus the parent of that 13 year old should probably play the game with that 13 year old and make sure that 13 year old doesn't do anything crazy. But then again it is up to that parent now.

Actually it does say it, right under the T rating.

And, laws that nation/state leaders come up with determine such things as marrying 13 year olds.... its not a moral issue, its a legal issue. Moral for the ones that want it i suppose.

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why is it a legal issue and not a moral issue? People used to marry so young all the time. Are you saying that you think its moral for a 30 year old man to marry a 13 year old girl?

Now we are getting into opinions about what is clearly right and clearly wrong. Homosexuals are allowed in the US military now because it was Clearly wrong to prohibit them, it just took a lot of work getting all the old fogeys to change their minds (or wait for them to die). If you want to be one of the guys that marries a 13 year old, just wait till all the world leaders that are against it to keel over, become one yourself, and change it. Its more legal than moral. Its also clearly wrong to prohibit same sex marriage. clearly.

I've got a better one, what about all the people who are against polygamy? It doesn't hurt you that one dude and 50 women all wanted to be married to each other, they should put this in game as well.

Too many concepts out of the norm, which is one man one woman, therefore it should be left out of game until all concepts are accepted.

In all honesty i dont care what people want to do with themselves but in this case its a freaking game, why bring politics and real life religious beliefs into it?

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Originally Posted by Reika

Now we are getting into opinions about what is clearly right and clearly wrong. Homosexuals are allowed in the US military now because it was Clearly wrong to prohibit them, it just took a lot of work getting all the old fogeys to change their minds (or wait for them to die). If you want to be one of the guys that marries a 13 year old, just wait till all the world leaders that are against it to keel over, become one yourself, and change it. Its more legal than moral. Its also clearly wrong to prohibit same sex marriage. clearly.

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Too people who follow one or more different religions, it is clearly wrong for people of the same sex to be married, therefore YOU are as narrow minded as the rest of everybody else on the other side of the fence.

You haven't answered why marrying a 13 year old girl is a legal issue and not a moral issue. just saying that it is isn't an answer either.

I did, because the leaders said so. The world is going away from prohibiting same sex marriage now. No reason to continue to do so anywhere, even in the game world. When marriage comes, same sex marriage should come with it.

Also, the country way back when use to be pretty dominated by religion. Why do you think priests think its ok to molest little boys who confide in them? Who were the ones way back when who believed it was ok to marry 13 year olds? The people, who are dead. The world and the US doesn't believe in those things anymore, and laws are in place against them. Same sex marriage prohibitions are going away because the nation is breaking away from that domination, maybe at some point polygamy will go away too. The 10 commandments got taken off the walls of classrooms because the nation is breaking away from that domination. Things change. starting to allow same sex marriage in games is one of the changes that very well can and should happen.

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Originally Posted by Reika

I did, because the leaders said so. The world is going away from prohibiting same sex marriage now. No reason to continue to do so anywhere, even in the game world. When marriage comes, same sex marriage should come with it.

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this statement is not fact. How can you say that the world is surely moving away from this and even if it does its still a very controversial issue. Why would you want to impose your political ideas on people who very strongly disagree in a game where this idea is not even necessary anyway? Why do you need to be married in game in order to complete the dungeons coming out in 1.18 anyway?

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Originally Posted by Morticous

this statement is not fact. How can you say that the world is surely moving away from this and even if it does its still a very controversial issue. Why would you want to impose your political ideas on people who very strongly disagree in a game where this idea is not even necessary anyway? Why do you need to be married in game in order to complete the dungeons coming out in 1.18 anyway?

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You dont need to be married to do anything in the game. But people find other ways to play mmo's besides tackling the content. Whether it be killing all that stand before them, chatting it up in town, having a make-believe picnic out in Mor Dhona, its up to each individual player how they are going to play it.

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Originally Posted by Reika

You dont need to be married to do anything in the game. But people find other ways to play mmo's besides tackling the content. Whether it be killing all that stand before them, chatting it up in town, having a make-believe picnic out in Mor Dhona, its up to each individual player how they are going to play it.

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I dont think there is as much of a conflict with chatting it up in town or having a picnic in mor dhona as there is with having same sex marriage.

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Originally Posted by Morticous

I dont think there is as much of a conflict with chatting it up in town or having a picnic in mor dhona as there is with having same sex marriage.

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The conflict is in your own mind. The minds of those that will create conflict because of it. People create conflict because others type in /say to have their conversations, because its more realistic. So you cant say there's no conflict with chatting it up in town.

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Originally Posted by Morticous

I've got a better one, what about all the people who are against polygamy? It doesn't hurt you that one dude and 50 women all wanted to be married to each other, they should put this in game as well.

Too many concepts out of the norm, which is one man one woman, therefore it should be left out of game until all concepts are accepted.

In all honesty i dont care what people want to do with themselves but in this case its a freaking game, why bring politics and real life religious beliefs into it?

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It's not politics nor a religious belief it's human rights. It's been long proven that homosexuality is neither a disease nor is a matter of choice and that they're not 'special', not more than other individuals and that's a ground for treating them with same rights.

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Originally Posted by Reika

The conflict is in your own mind. The minds of those that will create conflict because of it. People create conflict because others type in /say to have their conversations, because its more realistic. So you cant say there's no conflict with chatting it up in town.

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There is no conflict with peoples religious beliefs to type /say or /tell though. your missing the point or refusing to see it. Your simply refusing to meet a middle ground at which would suggest marriage should be left out because we cannot all agree on it because of religious beliefs or human rights. You are now the narrow minded selfish person of this post because you refuse to meet a middle ground and will only have it your way.

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Originally Posted by Nuinn

It's not politics nor a religious belief it's human rights. It's been long proven that homosexuality is neither a disease nor is a matter of choice and that they're not 'special', not more than other individuals and that's a ground for treating them with same rights.

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What about polygamy or underage spouses? Why is this not a human right? If I own a pet why cant I marry it? Your human rights should stay out of this game because it is CLEARLY not a topic everyone can agree on.

'Leaving it out completely' is not the middle ground, its one sided. Marriage will come, hopefully one where you can marry who you want regardless of gender.

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Originally Posted by Reika

'Leaving it out completely' is not the middle ground, its one sided.

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not true, im pretty sure if you asked plenty of people who play the game they would rather have Marriage in game as well as only opposite sex instead of allowing same sex marriage, and in your case you want to have same sex and opposite sex marriage in game therefore we cannot agree and it should be left out so that NOBODY is offended. Now If your offended by not being able to be married in a game, then your a loser. Get a real life.

Marriage is a totally pointless system for FFXIV, and we've all pretty much shown we're not mature enough to handle it anyway, judging by this thread.

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Originally Posted by Morticous

What about polygamy or underage spouses? Why is this not a human right? If I own a pet why cant I marry it? Your human rights should stay out of this game because it is CLEARLY not a topic everyone can agree on.

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A pet? You're bringing inter-species relations into this? Seriously? Wow, I was.... wait for it.... CLEARLY wrong to even bother reading your posts to this point.

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Originally Posted by Morticous

not true, im pretty sure if you asked plenty of people who play the game they would rather have Marriage in game as well as only opposite sex instead of allowing same sex marriage, and in your case you want to have same sex and opposite sex marriage in game therefore we cannot agree and it should be left out so that NOBODY is offended. Now If your offended by not being able to be married in a game, then your a loser. Get a real life.

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Why would I have to be offended, no decision has even been made about it. this thread suggested it. now the suggestion is there.

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Originally Posted by Nuinn

A pet? You're bringing inter-species relations into this? Seriously? Wow, I was.... wait for it.... CLEARLY wrong to even bother reading your posts to this point.

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Really, you want to be a child and act as if people don't think its ok to marry their pets? Grow up. All sorts of people want to marry their lamas and other animals, do I think its ok? Hell no but who are you to say that its not when those people CLEARLY believe that its ok. Now your just as judgmental as anyone else. who the hell made you supreme master of deciding where the line is drawn?

Oh btw, im not gay. Fighting for someone elses right to do something is FAR from selfish. stop trying to go there. I've clearly left my self open for haters of homosexuals, and I dont care.

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Originally Posted by Reika

Oh btw, im not gay. Fighting for someone elses right to do something is FAR from selfish. stop trying to go there. I've clearly left my self open for haters of homosexuals, and I dont care.

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I've never said you where gay, and i really don't care if you are however the simple fact is YOU think it should be ok to be married as same sex in this game and that the rest of everyone else feelings who feel against it are just narrow minded and wrong instead of just agreeing that there are clearly at least two different sides here and that it should probably just be left out in everyones best interest..

You should stop trying to speak for this 'everyone else', when youre really just speaking for yourself. let everyone else come speak for themselves. Im speaking for myself. I said 'I' think same sex marriage should be allowed when marriage comes.

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Originally Posted by Reika

You should stop trying to speak for this 'everyone else', when youre really just speaking for yourself. let everyone else come speak for themselves. Im speaking for myself. I said 'I' think same sex marriage should be allowed when marriage comes.

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i didn't say everyone else feels a certain way, i said everyone else who does feel a certain way.

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Originally Posted by Dubont

If you say so, but people aren't born homosexual or not. Cells don't know race, color, or sex and genes don't know likes, dislikes, attitude, thoughts, etc. My college has actually been doing research on this "gay gene" nonsense and currently, there is no evidence to support the claim that it exists. Hence, there is no such thing as being "born gay." Therefore, it IS a choice. I have no problem with it at all, but people need to understand that you can't be born one way or the other. You are just born.

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Just wanted to point out, that while cells may not inherently know race, color, sex, there is something called cellular memory. Which means that if true, every cell in your body remembers what it once was. In transplant cases it has even helped solve crimes because the recipient started regaining the memories of it's prior owner, even leading up to the death and who killed them.
People also can take on the likes and dislike of their donors, ranging from beer, food, and even who they are attracted to. Amazing right?

(Just adding an edit here to show that I switched who I was talking to)
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Stop with the slippery slope arguments. Only a fool would make those in this day and age.
What you are failing to understand is we have this nifty thing called consent.
Yes, consent.

Anyone under the age of 18/16/ where ever you are, cannot consent to sexual relations. Animals cannot consent at all. Under law.
What we have left is adult woman and men who can do whatever they like with other adult woman and men, as long as it does not kill/maim the other.

As for Polygamy:
Why the hell does anyone think it is anyone else's business what CONSENTING adults do with their time? Are they killing children? No. Are they harming anyone at all? No.

CONSENT is this MAGICAL thing, you see.

Now, LET'S STAY ON TOPIC THIS TIME:

Yes, they should allow same-sex marriage. It's a role playing game and limiting the roles people may play when it can be easily added is just pigheaded.
If there is a marriage system at all, all PC's (Player Characters) regardless of what physical sex or mental gender they have, should be able to wed.

Please stay on the subject

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Originally Posted by elreed

in game weddings are nerd ><

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ITT: People fighting over the wedding of polygons.

As I said before, many of the issues that same sex marriage has on Earth, no dot apply at all in Eorzea. And as someone else said, it would be easier for SE to implement same-sex and cross-race marriage than to actually make it man/woman of the same race. Even some characters in Eorzea actually give some bisexual vibe and whatnot.

Really people? It's not going to affect how you play. At all. Perhaps two or three shouts a day of some guy celebrating his wedding to another guy and that's it. And if it really gets to you and your religion, we'll call it "civil unions".....for EVERYONE.

I'm sure someones brought up how Thancred was hitting on the Momodi in the Ul'dah storyline, which hints at hetero-humanoid relations being an acceptable practice in eorzea. as for homosexual marriages, why not? Its pretty sad that we have to even have this debate.

EDIT: Lest we forget that a videogame is made how the creator wants to make it, he is essentially god. So any beliefs we try to bring in from our world is somewhat irrelevant to Eorzean matters.

I'm surprised this thread lasted as long as it has. It seemed destined to burn from the first post.

That being said, anime and Japanese media (including this game) is literally FULL of dudes who carry themselves/look/act/sound like women. Anyone who has played as a male elezen can tell you that the devs must have accidentally applied the female animations to the models. It seems ridiculous to have so many gender confused dudes running around, and be repulsed by same sex couples at the same time.

If you're gonna go halfway, might as well finish. I'm just sayin'...

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Originally Posted by Xeak

First of all ... religion is bogus. You're not gonna spend eternity in hell for being gay because there is no hell. It's just you and the earthworms once you croak.

Second ... big deal if 2 people of the same sex can't have kids together. There are tons of orphans in the world who need a loving home, and two men or two women can surely provide that. And if the people were straight, maybe they wouldn't want kids anyway. It's still not the end of the human race (I've met plenty of people who don't want kids, both men and women). And I'm straight, but I've seriously considered adoption over regular birth (for personal reasons).

Third ... this is a game, and an RPG at that. Enough said.

Fourth ... Elton John's gay but a damn good music artist. So obviously gays can contribute something to the world.

Fifth ... Michael Jackson was not gay and did not molest little boys (sorry just thought I needed to throw that in there).

Sixth ... actually I think I'm done, thanks for reading :)

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This post has zero mention of the word marriage at all. It's either a sad troll post or just plain sad.

Burn thread please.

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Originally Posted by Xeak

The discussion for the past few days has been about accepting gays, and that's what my post hits on. It's not a fucking troll. And I'm sorry if you don't understand my sense of humor. If people were more open minded then I'm sure they would. But my first four points were serious.

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That was supposed to be humorous? I mean the Elton John and Micheal Jackson thing was kinda just like a nod on to them if your refering to that as humor.

Ohhhhh I get your sense of humor, the post was ironic because it made no sense. Good job I get that now. I should have known no one was stupid enough to post "religion is bogus" and "I'm not a ******* troll" in the same thread.