Play other games :)

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Originally Posted by Shinkuno

Name a currently relevant mmo where you FaLl BehInD if you take a extended break. Even Lost Ark has catchup when you take a long break and its only really a grind if you try to stay current. FF14 players have delusioned themselves into thinking that other games somehow require your undivided attention and thats why our complete lack of content is actually a good thing. Its pathetic.

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They make it painfully obvious they don't actually play other games.

WoW even has catchup PvP gear now that scales for instance AND open world. It's insane.

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Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora

I don't think you really know Lost Ark and it's gatekeeping and "homework" problem. Catch-up mechanics do nothing to get you into current content. Really bad example to support your point.

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The gatekeeping is a community problem.

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I don't think you really know Lost Ark and it's gatekeeping and "homework" problem. Catch-up mechanics do nothing to get you into current content. Really bad example to support your point.

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They know, but it needs to suit their narrative.

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The gatekeeping is a community problem.

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No, it's a dev problem. There are countless threads and videos about this. The devs even admitted to this as well themselves.

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No, it's a dev problem. There are countless threads and videos about this.

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Ah yes, the devs made people say "if you dont have already cleared the content we wont take you to the content"

How very genius of you.

Go actually play and be part of Lost Ark and get back to me. Later.

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Go actually play and be part of Lost Ark and get back to me. Later.

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I probably have more hours in Lost Ark then someone like you who gets his opinions from Reddit.

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I probably have more hours in Lost Ark then someone like you who gets his opinions from Reddit.

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Well for all those hours you don't seem to read community letters or pay the slightest bit attention to what goes on there.

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I probably have more hours in Lost Ark then someone like you who gets his opinions from Reddit.

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How many hours?

So, out of curiosity what aspects of FFXIV are we 'allowed' to criticise and consider to be poorly implemented and open to improvement?

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I can't tell if he's joking or dripping sarcasm a lot, or if he's just a troll.

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All of the above is okay with me. This is my entertainment now.


For the record, I still do love XIV - But "Play other games" or "PUG raid" just exhaust me at this point. I don't actually play anymore, I'm basically just subbed to meme and hold my house.

https://i.imgur.com/AtYGhGt.png

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So, out of curiosity what aspects of FFXIV are we 'allowed' to criticise and consider to be poorly implemented and open to improvement?

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Who forbid you from doing so?

1 out of 10 posters is enough to disuade you?

The number of negative threads is not enough to encourage you?

You're safe and sound. Here you are legion, for you are many.

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Who forbid you from doing so?

1 out of 10 posters is enough to disuade you?

The number of negative threads is not enough to encourage you?

You're safe and sound. Here you are legion, for you are many.

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Was going to write the same thing. The feigned victimization some people act like they experience about not being allowed to complain when most of this forum is a mob of negativity... lol

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For the record, I still do love XIV - But "Play other games" or "PUG raid" just exhaust me at this point. I don't actually play anymore,[/IMG]

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Honest question: if you still love XIV and want to play, why does a suggestion like "try EXs in PF" exhaust you? The Extremes this expansion have been a good gateway into 'high end' content. From your posts, you seem to get enjoyment from the battle content in the game, so if you do want to play the game more and you feel like the game isn't letting you play it, why not take the plunge into the battle content the game is providing currently?

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Was going to write the same thing. The feigned victimization some people act like they experience about not being allowed to complain when most of this forum is a mob of negativity... lol

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The lack of self-awareness is flowing freely today, it seems.

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Honest question: if you still love XIV and want to play, why does a suggestion like "try EXs in PF" exhaust you? The Extremes this expansion have been a good gateway into 'high end' content. From your posts, you seem to get enjoyment from the battle content in the game, so if you do want to play the game more and you feel like the game isn't letting you play it, why not take the plunge into the battle content the game is providing currently?

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Not everyone is capable of doing so. Not everyone has the time to do so. Not everyone is comfortable with doing so. There are many reasons one might choose to refrain from stepping into EX and higher. Frankly, the vast majority of the game's playerbase won't go anywhere near EX or above.

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Originally Posted by Aword3213

Who forbid you from doing so?

1 out of 10 posters is enough to disuade you?

The number of negative threads is not enough to encourage you?

You're safe and sound. Here you are legion, for you are many.

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No one is gatekeeping anything. Disagreement is not akin to allowing or disallowing. Heck, if anything it seems more like positivity is the thing that is discouraged the most on here. Sure there will be trolls pushing the bar, but if we judged everything by their standards then we are doomed.

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Honest question: if you still love XIV and want to play, why does a suggestion like "try EXs in PF" exhaust you? The Extremes this expansion have been a good gateway into 'high end' content. From your posts, you seem to get enjoyment from the battle content in the game, so if you do want to play the game more and you feel like the game isn't letting you play it, why not take the plunge into the battle content the game is providing currently?

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Because they've always been a bit gatekeepy, and I really don't want to deal with that shit right now. I could historically just hop into Eureka, or Bozja and get shit done. I just want more coop challenges that don't rely on the full group's coordination and constant repeated failures. But that's mostly a me problem I think, because I DO love day 1 Normals.

Variant was kinda perfect for me in that way, but it fell flat. The challenge was there, and it scaled for 1-4 which was great. But it has no reason to repeat it, and it's all scripted.

It's like both Variant and Island Sanctuary were a direct calling to my kinda playstyle, but I could instantly tell they were husks of what could've been.

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No one is gatekeeping anything. Disagreement is not akin to allowing or disallowing. Heck, if anything it seems more like positivity is the thing that is discouraged the most on here. Sure there will be trolls pushing the bar, but if we judged everything by their standards then we are doomed.

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Negativity being accepted on any level is a fairly recent development, and even now it does tend to result in being mocked and ridiculed regardless of whether or not criticisms are thoughtful and well-written. Bringing this up in turn often results in further mockery and various accusations. And therein lies the problem.

It is normal to be critical of a product you care about when you see things you feel could be handled better, and putting those thoughts to word is about the only option available other than just throwing in the towel. If you speak ill of any part of the game, there will almost definitely be some posters that roll up to trash you. It's happened enough that people are just tired of it.

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Originally Posted by Absimiliard

The lack of self-awareness is flowing freely today, it seems.

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I'm self-aware and can also read. Negativity vastly outweighs positivity here, so care to explain who I am not self-aware?

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Originally Posted by Aword3213

Who forbid you from doing so?

1 out of 10 posters is enough to disuade you?

The number of negative threads is not enough to encourage you?

You're safe and sound. Here you are legion, for you are many.

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I'm referring to this:

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I don't believe that's how things went down. From what I recall, anyone critical of the game on any front has been attacked across numerous threads and even when they're positive about something they're accused of liking the 'wrong' things.

I believe a certain poster even referred to anyone wanting the Scions to suffer some meaningful consequences as 'psychos', only to screech to the high heavens the moment someone got a bit curt with them in turn.

It's been a common trend for years.

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You didn't even post on the forum until a year ago so I find it very unlikely that you were around to even see the people instigating the long running grudges around these parts and even if you were, you'd no doubt just dismiss any evidence immediately.

The people with concerns towards the game aren't going around sending people death threats and rape threats. Some of the people who can't handle Endwalker being criticised, however, have done so. Though it isn't on the same level as death and rape threats, even some within this very thread have accused anyone who criticises Venat as 'hating women'. I'm tired of pretending as if people don't get outright deranged over this game because they absolutely do - and it's a large reason as to why there's so much 'hostility' around these parts. A lot of us are pretty damn tired of having to walk on eggshells around unhinged nutjobs.

Pretending as if 'both sides' are equally to blame in this case is not only in bad faith it's outright reprehensible.

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I've never understood the whole "FF14 respects your time" statement at all for exactly the reasons you stated. It makes no sense to me. Freaking WoW, in my view, respects your time more, albeit marginally.

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Not when it does it endgame content in "seasons". You dally for too long and you wind up missing it

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Originally Posted by Absimiliard

Negativity being accepted on any level is a fairly recent development, and even now it does tend to result in being mocked and ridiculed regardless of whether or not criticisms are thoughtful and well-written. Bringing this up in turn often results in further mockery and various accusations. And therein lies the problem.

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Gonna have to disagree that negativity being accepted is a recent development. From my own experiences here, the negative side of the scales have always been more heavy and vocal here (I still have the scars from early Endwalker debates regarding Venat…) then the positive. Its levels have changed up and down sure over time and years, but I do not think one can accuse this place of being at a level of ‘toxic positivity’ other media sites are.

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It is normal to be critical of a product you care about when you see things you feel could be handled better, and putting those thoughts to word is about the only option available other than just throwing in the towel. If you speak ill of any part of the game, there will almost definitely be some posters that roll up to trash you. It's happened enough that people are just tired of it.

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I agree criticism is a needed aspect of any media, but to be fair though, the ‘posters that roll up to trash you’ thing often happens if you speak positively of the game too. People have even used the same excuse you say to justify being disrespectful of negative posts, that they are ‘just tired of it.’ You are right that such debates can fall into ‘mockery and various accusations.’ but it is in no way unique to one side either. It would be great if every topic could be well-written and throughout examinations of the game, but in this environment thats near on impossible to carry on past a few pages. Plus when it comes to subjective aspects like story, we are all pushed by our own bias viewpoints.

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I'm self-aware and can also read. Negativity vastly outweighs positivity here, so care to explain who I am not self-aware?

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The victimization part probably. Aren't you one of those who cries "you can't even be positive about the game here" while also countering everything with: "you are in the minohritey!" Well guess what: if YOU are in the Mah-Joh-Ra-Tey than YOU are not the "little victim" or whatever you think you are

Here I'll critize the game
- Make roles unique again
- Make raid dungeons actual dungeons
- Remove telegraphs and add other kinds of visual indicators
- Introduce long quest chains for relic weapons and tools
-Make Relics worth the investment
-More mid tier content
-FIX THE HOUSING SYSTEM
1. Allow alts to share houses for Chirst sake.
2. Allow more tenants
3. Vip list for non tenants so they can enter when the house is locked!!!
- Medium and large apartments!!!
-Improve the blacklist to be account based!!!
-Raise the flight ceiling in ARR zones

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The victimization part probably. Aren't you one of those who cries "you can't even be positive about the game here" while also countering everything with: "you are in the minohritey!" Well guess what: if YOU are in the Mah-Joh-Ra-Tey than YOU are not the "little victim" or whatever you think you are

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What are you talking about? I never said people I disagree with are the minority. The complaining here is the majority of posters. I've been pretty consistent with this point of view.

There is also a distinction between a being a majority here on the forums (complaining and complaining sympathizers who swarm the few people enjoying the game) and the general playerbase not part of these forums.

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Quite simple. You have made repeated inferences that this has in fact always been the case, that critics present themselves as victims, etc. Yet, if you look back at the history of these forums, you will rather quickly realize it is only fairly recently the proverbial tide began to turn. Some posters do still go out of their way to ridicule those whose opinions do not align with their own, but the number engaging in that behavior does seem to have decreased. This is something you dismiss as well, instead behaving as if there is some completely one-sided attack on people that are enjoying the game, despite the vast majority of people bringing forward criticisms doing so in a thoughtful, constructive, inoffensive, and well-mannered way.

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I'm sorry, but this has nothing to do with your attempt to insult me, which is "self-awareness". You can claim I am not aware of the history of these forums outside the times I'm here, which is true. But that has nothing to do with self-awareness. I also disagree that negativity being widespread is only "fairly recent" unless you consider years of this to be "fairly recent." Also...simply LOL at the majority of people being thoughtful and well-mannered in how they interact here. If you are vocal about enjoying this game, the number of people who ridicule and insult has not decreased whatsoever. I'm insulted every day I post here.

Speaking of actual self-awareness, was it not you who just compalined in the positive thread about being insulted, when that's what you do here? Now THAT is a lack of self-awareness.

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Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora

I'm self-aware and can also read. Negativity vastly outweighs positivity here, so care to explain who I am not self-aware?

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Quite simple. You have made repeated inferences that this has in fact always been the case, that critics present themselves as victims, etc. Yet, if you look back at the history of these forums, you will rather quickly realize it is only fairly recently the proverbial tide began to turn. Some posters do still go out of their way to ridicule those whose opinions do not align with their own, but the number engaging in that behavior does seem to have decreased. This is something you dismiss as well, instead behaving as if there is some completely one-sided attack on people that are enjoying the game, despite the vast majority of people bringing forward criticisms doing so in a thoughtful, constructive, inoffensive, and well-mannered way.

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God, DON'T get me started on them, AND the problem is, the community largely SUPPORTS them! Yeah, they can be great for driving players to a goal, and getting players back into games for each season, but they are inherently AWFUL. This is a trend I absolutely detest in games. Literally, like every game has one now too! It's a matter of severity; just how much they expect you to grind for it. Combining fomo with it all too.. "Oh it's just cosmetics".. I LIKE cosmetics. -.-

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People will pay for cosmetics. They will gleefully pay dearly for cosmetics they are highly unlikely to ever obtain from that accursed gacha. FOMO is cancer, and I gladly condemn any who defend it for whichever crusade they woke up and chose to embark upon that day.

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Well, given how even some of the most ardent naysayers around here who left for a bit still came back and are actively playing again, apparently the answer is "not yet."

Also, the "play other games" thing has been around for years (it's nothing new), and it simply points out how FFXIV allows you to do exactly that without feeling like you've fallen insurmountably behind. It's a game that actually values your time and basic healthy things like diversifying what you play for fun rather than no-lifing one game.

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After his most recent break, as soon as he reappeared so did a whole giant group of you who all vanished around the same time. That's definitely not suspicious at all.

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Have people just missed the fact that a free login campaign took place recently? I highly doubt those posters who apparently according to some hate this game are paying a dime at this point in time. Why would they, when Square is so willing to let them game and post for the low, low price of free?

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Originally Posted by Hurlstone

Gonna have to disagree that negativity being accepted is a recent development. From my own experiences here, the negative side of the scales have always been more heavy and vocal here (I still have the scars from early Endwalker debates regarding Venat…) then the positive. Its levels have changed up and down sure over time and years, but I do not think one can accuse this place of being at a level of ‘toxic positivity’ other media sites are.

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'Scars'? Again, see my previous post. The criticism of Venat was equal to calling it silly writing that she wasn't held to the same standards as the antagonists in the game. The criticism of Venat criticism, meanwhile, revolved around deeply personal insults including but not limited to accusing people of being 'fascists', hating women, homophobic comments, sending death threats, rape threats, insulting the intelligence of the posters in question, ridiculing non-English speakers and creating unhinged conspiracy theories about how everybody critical of the story is secretly the same person.

From what I recall, you engaged in at least some of the threads where such things went down so whilst I admit that you might have genuinely missed it...I must confess to finding it a bit odd to portray Venat fans as the true victims.

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Originally Posted by BRVV

The victimization part probably. Aren't you one of those who cries "you can't even be positive about the game here" while also countering everything with: "you are in the minohritey!" Well guess what: if YOU are in the Mah-Joh-Ra-Tey than YOU are not the "little victim" or whatever you think you are

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How DARE you mock a successful BUSINESS OWNER with SOCIAL SKILLS who has totally NEVER countered others with "you're in the minority!!"

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Weird. I am the business owner of a multimillion dollar small business that relies on social skills. I’ve been married for 16 years and am active in my local community.

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I think you'd alienate far more people in the MMO genre then the extremely bizarre minority that "needs" this to play the game and isn't willing to mod quietly.

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No, at the end of the day they [streamers] are still just the barometer of their own opinions.

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Yes, 4 people thinking their “hot take” on a topic that’s already at the top of the forum needs it’s very own thread is nothing new here.

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Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora

I'm sorry, but this has nothing to do with your attempt to insult me, which is "self-awareness". You can claim I am not aware of the history of these forums outside the times I'm here, which is true. But that has nothing to do with self-awareness. I also disagree that negativity being widespread is only "fairly recent" unless you consider years of this to be "fairly recent."

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It in fact does. You make frequent statements to the effect of "we can't be positive here because we get attacked" while going out of your way to attack and belittle people for bringing forth criticisms. That does speak of a lack of self-awareness. You do the very things you continually accuse others of, which is precisely why I outlined those things.

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Speaking of actual self-awareness, was it not you who just compalined in the positive thread about being insulted, when that's what you do here? Now THAT is a lack of self-awareness.

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As I see it, that was a statement of fact. If you choose to take it as an insult, that is your prerogative.

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Originally Posted by R041

Bored? That's fine! It's what Yoshi intended, and he knows best! :cool:

Unsubscribe, let your house lapse, let your FC lapse.

Let the bots take over, let the fake FCs take all of the wards.

Only sub during MSQ, then promptly unsub to..

Play other games.

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Sound advice except for the “sub for the MSQ” part, that subpar story isn’t worth the money.

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Originally Posted by TowaIsBestGirl

People will pay for cosmetics. They will gleefully pay dearly for cosmetics they are highly unlikely to ever obtain from that accursed gacha. FOMO is cancer, and I gladly condemn any who defend it for whichever crusade they woke up and chose to embark upon that day.

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You are speaking to someone who is more than willing to pay for cosmetics. Battle passes are garbage, and in my praise of games like Genshin or Star Rail, I have not praised their gacha practices. I have praised the games itself and their updates. For that matter, those games are VERY playable absolutely free to play, but I digress. Paying for cosmetics is one thing, but a battle pass is something else entirely. I really can't believe why people will defend battle passes, and act like it's consumer friendly.

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!!! Based post alert !!!

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This, this, this. All the way this. This is why the "take a break" argument never truly works. The thing so many fail to understand is thus: Other games allow you to take a break. FFXIV, by contrast, forces you to take a break because by the time you feel inclined to resort to such a drastic action it is often the only recourse left to you. Even then, as you also stated most astutely, when you do return you often cannot jump right back in since you must grind out tomestones to get the newest gear since your old set is possibly severely outranked depending on how long you've been absent for.

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I see what I say as statements of fact. If you choose to take it as an insult, that's your prerogative.

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Inb4 the next time a poster gets angy and umcomfy when ex cathedra statements are made or making one's opinion not clear is villainized selectively. I'm so weary of this, and from where I stand you cannot condemn those whom you share and exhibit the faults of. The "I'm not them, I personally didn't do this" argument also doesn't work, since again, the behavior is being critiqued with selective precision. Enough with the bias already, it's so damn tiresome.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

Because people didn't make a huge fuss and spend every waking moment bemoaning the game while paying a sub. You have to pay a sub to post here, which means...you know, you're kind of supporting SE's decisions right now. If everyone who had a problem with it just unsubbed, SE would notice the hit and immediately work to make changes. But they're not getting that hit because people are paying them right now just to post here in the forums. And every time somebody suggests it, people blow them off. If somebody said, "You should probably take a break" while you're not having fun in GW2, you probably would take a break. But here people are making excuses for why they can't and just keep paying the sub that tells SE "people are paying for our game."

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Maybe instead of being smug about it you realize people critique games they love and want to get better and realize that Square making having a subscription and logging in to post is actually kind of scummy. It's the only thing that actually enables these backwards and nonsensical analogies, because logic and common sense were taken behind the shed long ago.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Not even close to 50%. I don't care that much about him, other than to point out his own hypocricy.

I don't think I've ever actually insulted him though, can't say the same for his groupies.

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It's a common phenomenon that those who say "I don't actually care about <insert thing here>" is often rather concerned with said thing. It's a known obfuscation method in the lives of many human beings living on this planet. I'm also relatively sure it was listed as a symptom of a very particular chapter of the DSM-V, but I'll let you research that one on your own. ◕‿↼

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It in fact does. You make frequent statements to the effect of "we can't be positive here because we get attacked" while going out of your way to attack and belittle people for bringing forth criticisms. That does speak of a lack of self-awareness. You do the very things you continually accuse others of, which is precisely why I outlined those things.


As I see it, that was a statement of fact. If you choose to take it as an insult, that's is your prerogative.

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I don't go out of my way to attack or belittle people. Most of my post history is actually polite until I'm attacked first. Which always happens because some people here just simply can't handle people enjoying the game or any disagreement.

I see what I say as statements of fact. If you choose to take it as an insult, that's your prerogative.

Actually not really, as I know what an opinion is versus a fact...something you don't seem to know the difference between. But since you find insulting opinions to be "facts" - going on my block list too. Not the type of person I will engage with further now that you revealed that this is how you think.

EDIT: For Kickwars, who I blocked, but I saw him being quoted - I actually celebrated my 17 year anniversary last month with a glorious trip abroad. Yes I paid for this with the money I made from my business. Thanks for remembering! I'm glad I made such an impact on you that you recall this about me from a one-off comment months ago. I feel quite adored and appreciated from all the attention you want to give me!

SUCCESSFUL MULTIMILLION DOLLAR BUSINESS OWNER IN A 16 YEAR MARRIAGE KNOWS WHAT IS OPINION AND WHAT IS FACT. MORE AT 5

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Someone broke Skiros' troll program. Can you guys reboot it?

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Now if we want to talk about a game that definitely doesn't respect your time, I know it was mentioned earlier in the thread but I do not think GW2 remotely respects your time. The grinds to become raid-ready, the grind to get legendary armor and legendary weapons, the grind to get high agony resistance for high end fractals, it's all freaking insane, probably the worst grinds I've ever seen in an MMO lol. On top of that, you lose access to non-base expansion story stuff (so living world story that releases between expansions) if you don't actively do it when it releases, otherwise you have to pay for it.

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I don't think you understand what respecting your time means. It means that you're not forced to do it if you don't want to and you can do it later without any special hassle. It has nothing to do with how long grind is. I don't understand how we got into situation where MMORPG players are surprised that MMORPGs have grinds. What's next, gamers surprised that F2P games have lootboxes?

- Raid-ready? Are you for real? You can buy buy exotic armor which is 5% worse than BiS for chump change. And if you want BiS, ascended is pretty easy to get nowadays.

- Neither legendary armor or weapons are required for anything, they're literally just for flex, they have exact same stats as Ascended. Do you want legendaries for free of what? Entire point of legendary weapons is that they're not hard to do, but take a long time, while legendary armor is both hard and takes long time. This is how you design prestigious flex items, unlike EW relics, which are just participation awards.

- AR is system so newbs don't jump immediately to T4 + AR infusions are great for making money and so on. Fractals are great example of gradual difficulty ramp up, instead of FFXIV massive leap from normal content to EX and EX to savage.

- Not unlocking LW episodes is FOMO, I agree, but saying you "lose access" when you "don't actively do it when it releases" is very misleading. You literally need to log in once during that patch and it's unlocked forever, and if you didn't, you can unlock it for 200 gems, which is 2.5$, or just convert few golds for gems and you get it for free.

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I don't care that much about him

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I mean, that keyword will pull his name from a quote. I reply a lot to posts on the forums. Doesn't mean I care about him particularly. By this logic, Theodric has an obsession with mommy because if you plug it in the same way you did with me a ton of posts come up. And you have admitted to having a ton of accounts just to troll the forums for fun.

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What are you talking about? I never said people I disagree with are the minority. The complaining here is the majority of posters

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HERE. Notice how *I* didn't say "ON THE FORUMS" or something like that.

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I thought you were done here?