PvP Rewards; 6.1 and beyond.

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Originally Posted by Sinstrel

Hmm I think the sentiment for most is not that the rewards were exclusive, its that they are completely non-obtainable once the season is over. If one were to theoretically hear about FFXIV for the first time in 2021 and then subsequently go on to become by far and away the greatest Feast player of all time, they will never be able to obtain a Felhound mount. Where as if that same person found out about Morbol/Legend status/whatever and then became the best at their craft, they COULD obtain those things. The Feast rewards should remain extraordinary feats. But they don't need to be removed from the game. When new players join this game and see a past reward, ask where its from, and then want to obtain it only to find out they cant... What is the incentive participate in PvP at all if they can't get the reward they wanted no matter how good they got at it?

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The incentive is the next reward. If they stopped handing out rewards all together, then maybe that would be something to think about, but they didn't. Each new season came with it's own unique(albeit sometimes recolored) reward. The rewards are more than just a reward, they stand as a trophy to idolize the achievement of their efforts in a particular season. Just as they do in many other games with similar seasonal rankings. I don't have every seasonal reward, yet I continued to play every season so I could get the next thing, not the past thing. Besides, I don't want past items that even I don't have re-introduced. I wasn't there, I didn't participate, my skill was not tested then and there, I don't feel the need to have those trophies.

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Originally Posted by Alexandre_Noireau

Yes you can. Look at Frontlines.
It's PvP - No one cares. Fun as heck. Rewarding. Active.

XIV will never have a COMPETITIVE mode in anything, because it's playerbase is not like that - Only a very VERY small vocal minority here in the forums like to pretend it's otherwise. Most of the players, just want to participate, have fun, be rewarded. Who wins and loses - no one cares.

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Ok, I'ma need to stop you right here.

Frontlines is played because of the following:
- unlike Feast, it is currently without role-restrictions - you can join as any job, making the actual queue times a matter of "do we have 72".
- unlike Rival Wings, Frontlines has four flavours to pick from and has its' own daily "Roulette" incentivising at least daily queue

To cite "Competitive" or "Ranked" as the reasons of failure of The Feast is disingenuous. The problem isn't so much that Ranked exists, the problem is that up until 6.1 with the release of the Series Passes and a general restructuring of the incentive system there simply wasn't any reason to play anything other than Frontlines, because Frontlines is the only mode with the following key points:

- ease of understanding the fundamentals in Frontlines
- ease of joining due to no role restrictions
- additional incentives via Daily Challenge, because let's face it:

The majority of the western community lives and dies by incentive and won't turn a finger without it.

Removal of role restriction in 5v5 Crystal Conflict and incentivising other gamemodes other than Frontlines via the Series Pass (which won't replace Ranked Seasons btw, they can and will co-exist) will make joining those gamemodes much easier than before and most likely bring more fresh blood into the PvP community, especially those who want to PvP but dislike how Frontlines plays, myself included.

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Originally Posted by Alexandre_Noireau

Frontline has no winners or losers, only people queuing up endlessly 24/7 because eventually they win, eventually the lose

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How is it fun if you get rewarded for losing big? That is soo delusional.

And what does it matter if PvP players are a minority? Game doesn't have to be just for you.

You say a lot "we, no one, the playerbase etc." I wish I would have that insight to know what everyone else thinks in a game, SE should clearly hire you

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Originally Posted by Ixon

The incentive is the next reward. If they stopped handing out rewards all together, then maybe that would be something to think about, but they didn't. Each new season came with it's own unique(albeit sometimes recolored) reward... I don't have every seasonal reward, yet I continued to play every season so I could get the next thing, not the past thing.

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This system will work well for players like you, there is no arguing that. But players who do not like the current season's reward still have no incentive to play. This contributes to ques being dead at lower rating which then leads to many of the same players receiving rewards every season since any competition outside of the regular players is snuffed out in dead ques after the first 2 weeks of the season.

Season-exclusive time limited rewards are simply not a good system for many players. And it seems that SE is committed to using this model again in the new battle-pass system. Regardless of how easy it will now become to get the rewards, they should remain obtainable in the game. There will be new players in the years to come who will see this first season's reward, think its cool, realize that they will never be able to obtain it and either try for the current seasons reward instead, or just not play the game mode altogether until they see something they deem worth participating in it for. Please SE, do not continue with season-gated time exclusive reward system. Let all rewards from all seasons remain available for either elite currency, or large sums of normal/casual currency to keep PvP relevant for all players.

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Originally Posted by Sinstrel

This system will work well for players like you, there is no arguing that. But players who do not like the current season's reward still have no incentive to play. This contributes to ques being dead at lower rating which then leads to many of the same players receiving rewards every season since any competition outside of the regular players is snuffed out in dead ques after the first 2 weeks of the season.

Season-exclusive time limited rewards are simply not a good system for many players. And it seems that SE is committed to using this model again in the new battle-pass system. Regardless of how easy it will now become to get the rewards, they should remain obtainable in the game. There will be new players in the years to come who will see this first season's reward, think its cool, realize that they will never be able to obtain it and either try for the current seasons reward instead, or just not play the game mode altogether until they see something they deem worth participating in it for. Please SE, do not continue with season-gated time exclusive reward system. Let all rewards from all seasons remain available for either elite currency, or large sums of normal/casual currency to keep PvP relevant for all players.

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Feast has this issue because it has strict requirement on jobs; especially healer.
It is too early to determine whether Crystal Conflict would share the same fate because healer restriction has been removed.

Also looks like chat is turned off. Which should quell some of the more toxic players new or old.



Time of commitment per match less then 6 mins roughly. Meaning getting in and out fast might not be a big deal.

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Originally Posted by Ixon

The incentive is the next reward.

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Nah, it's worthless.
I want the previous ones. SE doesn't give them? Then no PvP for me. And for many.

As the Crystalline Conflict progresses in it's seasons will end up as dead and worthless as the Feast is because it has the same reward structure, just this time they call them series instead of seasons. Big change, lmao.

Unrewarding PvP mode will never be successful, much less in a very PvE oriented much less competitive playerbase as XIV is. The niche hipercompetitive dudes can have it, yeah, again PvP will be a thing of a few dozens instead of a few thousands. No real competition when the competition is the same bunch of dudes. Nothing is preventing trading again neither, not a day in and all the issues The Feast had were merely renamed.

It will be pretty active the first day, week, hopefully month. When players notice that is the same as The Feast the will drop, and again PvP will be about time managment, being in a proper timezone, have a very niche player group, some trading here and there and in the end something for a handful players instead of a proper piece of competitive content.

Nothing has changed.

its almost like the pvp in this game is bad or something.

It's frustrating that they still decided to carry over the FOMO "incentive" from The Feast. Was there no way for them to keep previous rewards available indefinitely? Like, I don't know, make them more and more expensive the older they get? Or something...?

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Originally Posted by Alexandre_Noireau

Nah, it's worthless.
I want the previous ones. SE doesn't give them? Then no PvP for me. And for many.

As the Crystalline Conflict progresses in it's seasons will end up as dead and worthless as the Feast is because it has the same reward structure, just this time they call them series instead of seasons. Big change, lmao.

Unrewarding PvP mode will never be successful, much less in a very PvE oriented much less competitive playerbase as XIV is. The niche hipercompetitive dudes can have it, yeah, again PvP will be a thing of a few dozens instead of a few thousands. No real competition when the competition is the same bunch of dudes. Nothing is preventing trading again neither, not a day in and all the issues The Feast had were merely renamed.

It will be pretty active the first day, week, hopefully month. When players notice that is the same as The Feast the will drop, and again PvP will be about time managment, being in a proper timezone, have a very niche player group, some trading here and there and in the end something for a handful players instead of a proper piece of competitive content.

Nothing has changed.

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I'm with you on this. If it turns out that these are the same FOMO bs rewards that the Feast had it will just kill all my interest in PvP. I don't want to work my ass off, as a mediocre PvPer who apparently chose a job that just got shafted, only to watch as the cool rewards pass me by season after season because I'm just not good enough, I don't have time sometimes, and because the top spots are perpetually occupied by cheaters and win traders.

If the rewards never become unobtainable, even if you still need to reach a rank above what I am currently capable, there's still hope; hope that SE will crack down on the cheaters, hope that the balance will get better, and finally, hope that I can just git gud enough to get that cool magitek chair I always wanted (but didn't knew existed until it was too late to get it)

But when I know that those rewards will just be gone forever when the season ends, and I can't get them in time for various reasons in and outside of my control, I just get depressed. What's the point? I might as well just queue up for casual whenever I feel like some CC and completely ignore the rewards.

SE has been so good about this in every other aspect of the game. I'm not a good enough raider to get an ultimate weapon, but I can try, and train, and become good enough. Same goes for, I don't know, PotD Necromancer, Delubrem Reginae Savage, the Baldesion Arsenal, hell, even the wolf mark rewards for PvP stay there forever waiting for you. They even brought back the Garo event. That's what I love about this game, in just about every aspect, anything that becomes unavalible forever has advance warning and is easy enough to get before it's gone. Everything except the Feast rewards.

In an industry full of fomo abuse I appreciate that most rewards in ffxiv can be earned at your own pace. Time exclusive major rewards have never had a place in this game and in most aspects square seems to agree. Coming from a guy who has been playing since 2.x and HAS almost all the time exclusive rewards in the game, I am overjoyed whenever they bring those things back because I'm a normal person. If they remain just as hard to get as they originally did, what does it matter if other players also get them?

I have one concern with the reward structure: 1 series = 2 seasons.
I think that a lot of players will not bother playing season 2 at all.
Right now people want the series reward, for sure, and are aiming for this. Then, depending on their ranking by the time they get the armor, they may want to push towards Crystal, which means the odd-numbered season will always be quite active (at least at the beginning).
But if the reward for season 2 are the same portrait frames (with only the number changing), I believe a lot of people won't be interested in farming it whatsoever.
It's pretty much the same reason why a lot of people didn't bother with the Feast seasons: top 100 rewards were out of touch anyways for most of us, so why waste your time with it?
The only way I can see it changing, is if they add wolf collar rewards with each season or something like that.
Did they communicate on that?

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Originally Posted by brancinaed

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I have been waiting to find another chance to get this for a long time.

I understand people being defensive of rewards for stomaching previous iterations of PVP but I could see people like myself who hated the previous system really going for it if it means getting those rewards again.

Now that queue times and playing pvp isn't a slog it just makes sense imo.

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Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim

Frontlines is the only mode with the following key points:

- ease of understanding the fundamentals in Frontlines
- ease of joining due to no role restrictions
- additional incentives via Daily Challenge, because let's face it:

The majority of the western community lives and dies by incentive and won't turn a finger without it.

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To add to this, I don't think people realize just how much incentive the crystal system really gives me as a potential pvp player. I've never hit PVP as hard as I have this mode and partially it's because inbetween the big rewards I can use the crystals on more glam options, AND I'm getting wolf marks at the same time.

Most of the time my FC used PVP/Frontlines just to help level alts, now it's a game mode with a "track" to go on that includes glams/frames/etc. This adds the tail to the mode that it needed to stay alive because I can clearly see what my next milestone is and the matches are fast to get into and usually fast to get out of.

I treat it like a battle equivalent to Golden Saucer where I'm hopping into a game to see if I can get to the next crystal pack to get that up res'd MCH coat or buy the allagan gear I missed.

While incentive shouldn't be the only thing that warrants people playing a game mode, given that the only "fast" way to do pvp before was Frontlines which sometimes feels like a complete slog, a fast new mode with both normal rewards and specialized rewards (marks/Crystals) portraits to show off, gear to show off, and genuinely interesting takes on the PvE Formula creates a great foundation moving forward for the mode. I just have to hope they don't leave it to die.

I'm really hoping they capitalize on this momentum and/or have "mini letters" from like the pvp dev team or with Yoshi-P to discuss direction PVP is taking and treat it like a serious mode. I know that's pie in the sky probably but as someone who's never given a single inkling of a care about pvp, I'd be super bummed if the breath of fresh air it finally got was snuffed out a few weeks later.

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Originally Posted by Tobias_Azuryon

I have been waiting to find another chance to get this for a long time.

I understand people being defensive of rewards for stomaching previous iterations of PVP but I could see people like myself who hated the previous system really going for it if it means getting those rewards again.

Now that queue times and playing pvp isn't a slog it just makes sense imo.

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I think all players should be given a fair chance to earn rewards of old, i have seen some people in this thread against it but its all the same "we should get to keep them because artifical rarity is funny" like you will not lose what you earned and you still had it way earlier than anybody else so what is the problem?

And to those who are against new players getting rewards of old all i have to say is how many of the people who owns those rewards have either 1: forgot that they even had them/not used them in years. 2: gotten their account suspended. 3: stopped playing the game entirely.

Obviously i don't know the number of players but im very certian there are a decent bunch of people filling the three examples provided above

After playing the current series for a while now I think my main issue is trophy crystals and how long it takes to get them after 30. Post-30 it's going to take 20k series exp for each repeatable 1k crystal drop? Unless the eventual plan is to just move them to Wolf Marks next season, then that's a pretty grueling prospect for reward attainability - it should really be much less after 30 since that's the only thing you're getting at that point, maybe 5k exp per 1k crystals tops.

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Originally Posted by Cpt_Jack_Irons

I think all players should be given a fair chance to earn rewards of old, i have seen some people in this thread against it but its all the same "we should get to keep them because artifical rarity is funny" like you will not lose what you earned and you still had it way earlier than anybody else so what is the problem?

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Which is funny because they do this with raiding mounts all the time and nobody cares, but someone proposes doing it with their PvP rewards that most of them probably got through massive Discord match collusion anyway and you get screeching from the rooftops.

SE is clearly largely against the idea of permanent exclusivity anyway considering how often they rotate content back or otherwise occasionally make things available again like with Garo/Yokai and Irregular Tomestones, so nobody should have any expectations that their precious PvP will be the only one to remain sacred ground.

Not to be weird but the Lone Wolf Accessory set is already available for crystals. While I doubt the ranked mounts will be touched, I think buying older rewards is already something the devs are looking at, for better or worse.
The question is which ones and how expensive they will be.

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Originally Posted by Lihtleita

Not to be weird but the Lone Wolf Accessory set is already available for crystals. While I doubt the ranked mounts will be touched, I think buying older rewards is already something the devs are looking at, for better or worse.
The question is which ones and how expensive they will be.

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Here's what I want the answers to those questions to be: "All of them", and "Very".

Just make new rewards, leave the old rewards alone. People worked hard for those. Otherwise I want a refund for the time I wasted.

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Originally Posted by PotatoTree

Just make new rewards, leave the old rewards alone. People worked hard for those. Otherwise I want a refund for the time I wasted.

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You'll still have it though. Make it hard to get sure, but just because you put in a bunch of time and was good enough (or wintraded, I don't know your life) to get the mount shouldn't mean I am now never allowed to have that oppertunity because I wasn't playing PvP then.

Continue to make new rewards, and give us re-named, re-skins of the old rewards for 30 wolf collars per piece. Boomers and zoomers both get what they want. Problem solved.

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Originally Posted by Sinstrel

Continue to make new rewards, and give us re-named, re-skins of the old rewards for 30 wolf collars per piece. Boomers and zoomers both get what they want. Problem solved.

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I'm okay with this. I don't entirely like it, I still don't think those old rewards should have been time-limited in the first place, and I don't think I should be locked out of several color options for such reasons, but at least having access to a magitek chair at all is... an acceptable compromise to me.

So long as the new rewards don't eventually become unobtainable that is. If they do, then we're right back at the FOMO design that everyone is yelling about.

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Originally Posted by SamiMoshantu

You'll still have it though. Make it hard to get sure, but just because you put in a bunch of time and was good enough (or wintraded, I don't know your life) to get the mount shouldn't mean I am now never allowed to have that oppertunity because I wasn't playing PvP then.

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Literally this, every player should be given a fair chance to earn everything ingame i don't mind if its locked behind a grindy achievement i just want a fair shot at earning the magitek chair.

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Originally Posted by Sinstrel

Continue to make new rewards, and give us re-named, re-skins of the old rewards for 30 wolf collars per piece. Boomers and zoomers both get what they want. Problem solved.

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Then that just generates a unnessecary bloat of items just to keep boomer PvP players happy.

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Originally Posted by Cpt_Jack_Irons

Then that just generates a unnessecary bloat of items just to keep boomer PvP players happy.

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Tbf it would only be considered bloat to the boomers who have the old re-wards and then also want to get the new versions. But what's the point in doing that, especially for 30 wolf collars per piece it doesn't seem worth getting the reward twice.

My thoughts haven't changed since the last time a thread like this came up. The most recent official response I can recollect was back at the Korean Fan Festival Q&A Corner.

I have attached that link here: https://translate.google.com/transla...F55927097.html

The question and answer I'm referring to (translated):

Q. Are you planning to make a way to get past Feast reward mounts?

A. No. I think that mount was the result of efforts to get into the ranking at that time. Yoshida P himself also thinks that it is important to have such rare items as a gamer.

The thought of the items being re-released irks me for all the effort that went in at that point in time for something that seemingly looked like it would never be re-run. I don't think that sense of urgency could be replicated in such a way to justify a re-release of these items.

On the other hand, the thought of these items falling to obscurity due to lack of use also irks me. Against my personal feelings the feast rewards should be re-obtainable in some way. I just hope that if they are to be re-released (or continue to be re-skinned), there is an equal investment to what was required in past feast seasons.

A potential solution could be to run limited quantities of these past feast rewards (~50) on a cycle through every feast crystal conflict season/ series. It gives new players the opportunity to obtain these items, but keeps them in a small enough quantity to create competition for them. This also gives the guarantee that every can obtain one, so long as they compete for it. The reward you are looking for may be gone during that season, but it is not gone forever.

they're probably going to use slight recolors of all of it as future rewards. Technically it's a different item right?

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Originally Posted by Aubrey_A

...I just hope that if they are to be re-released (or continue to be re-skinned), there is an equal investment to what was required in past feast seasons.

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Exactly this. They could accomplish this by making the reskins cost an absurd amount of wolf collars (like 30-60 per piece) and then also increasing the amount of trophy crystals you obtain in crystal conflict based on your rank. At the diamond and crystal level you should be given a large sum of trophy crystals per win.

This would make the re-skinned reward less obtainable by casual play and almost exclusively obtainable through winning many games at the high ranks of Crystal Conflict. With some fine tuning this could be as hard as it was in the past, or even tuned to be harder depending on how many trophy crystals you want to award diamond/crystal ranked players.

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Originally Posted by Aubrey_A

My thoughts haven't changed since the last time a thread like this came up. The most recent official response I can recollect was back at the Korean Fan Festival Q&A Corner.

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PVP Elitists like to bring that up as if Yoshi P hasn't ever changed his mind once in the entire direction of the game. Remember when he said that blue mage was impossible with the way this game was configured? That housing would be accessible and affordable? That GARO probably wouldn't come back and that's why it lasted 2 years?

Well, here we are with Blue Mage somehow worked out, housing is a whole other can of worms and now we have GARO back too. I mean, they didn't HAVE to redo PVP either but old Feast teams were a catastrophic flop, Feast itself was terribly broken, PVP was withering on the vine for all but the most die-hard of players. And yet now we have this new mode which is bringing in more players than Feast ever did in its entire history.

So I'd like to think those old rewards will make a comeback in some way. I think our producer and director had to take a step outside of thinking "can't/won't/will never" and has started to think instead, "could/might/what if".

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Originally Posted by Aubrey_A

A potential solution could be to run limited quantities of these past feast rewards (~50) on a cycle through every feast crystal conflict season/ series. It gives new players the opportunity to obtain these items, but keeps them in a small enough quantity to create competition for them. This also gives the guarantee that every can obtain one, so long as they compete for it. The reward you are looking for may be gone during that season, but it is not gone forever.

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This is exactly what I want. Make it hard to obtain, sure, even make it too hard for me to currently get, sure. I know I'm trash at PvP. But I want the goal to work towards, and I want to know it's not going to be snatched away forever if I take too long, because then I just give up and don't bother. Especially with how bad SE is at stopping cheating and win trading.
Speaking of which, cheating and win trading make me worry about limiting the actual quantity. Until/unless SE actually takes so measures to ensure that top 100 is actually good players instead of just cheaters, I don't really think that it should have any bearing on the rewards, because it's pretty much meaningless.

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Originally Posted by Sinstrel

Exactly this. They could accomplish this by making the reskins cost an absurd amount of wolf collars (like 30-60 per piece) and then also increasing the amount of trophy crystals you obtain in crystal conflict based on your rank. At the diamond and crystal level you should be given a large sum of trophy crystals per win.

This would make the re-skinned reward less obtainable by casual play and almost exclusively obtainable through winning many games at the high ranks of Crystal Conflict. With some fine tuning this could be as hard as it was in the past, or even tuned to be harder depending on how many trophy crystals you want to award diamond/crystal ranked players.

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That's a really good idea. It would give a reason for rank to matter, but still require you to put in effort after reaching the rank, and avoid limiting it to just the top cheaters while still factoring in skill and making you get good to get it, AND leave the path open for someone who's not particularly good but extremely dedicated.

Can we send this idea to Yoshi P? Get him to read this thread somehow?

People here defending the feast players of old that would block 3-8 spots with their alts in the TOP 100 ranking
There were like 10 players that did this, and they atleast blocked 30 spots that way EVERY SEASON, not to mention the scripters that also blocked a few spots, so I dont feel any sympathy for them nor do I care if they lose their precious exclusive rewards.

People are already win-trading and otherwise rigging CC matches via alt accounts to such an extent that I feel like they ought to just abolish the rankings entirely and add additional scoring tiers for rewards instead.

Have you ever been to top 100? I’ve reached top 100 in feast but never finished the season because of work constraints but wanna know how many cheaters or boosters I’ve seen? 1. In CC, I’ve seen zero.

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Originally Posted by Nubrication

Have you ever been to top 100? I’ve reached top 100 in feast but never finished the season because of work constraints but wanna know how many cheaters or boosters I’ve seen? 1. In CC, I’ve seen zero.

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You aint playing enough then.

On Aether the #1 player (Technically I think he is tied for #1 at this moment) is win trading with himself. Queuing 2 accounts at the same time as NIN and afking on one account while the other boosts. I ran into him 4 times this morning alone (all on the losing side which is just bad luck really). Mr. Happy, a popular streamer, has run into him multiple times and has needed to basically make sure that dude is already in a match before queueing. That is 1 guy with multiple run ins on YOUR data center. Grats on not playing at the same time as him but stop claiming you have never seen it like it somehow invalidates others run-ins.

You in any of the PvP discords? People are coordinating queues all the time to get on comms to work out wins. There is also a whole section on add-ons and scripts for auto poly/silence on certain skills, auto LB's at certain health percentages, ect.

Also, you say you hit top 100 but never stayed there for the end of a season...how can you accurately state what the end of the season rankings really look like then?

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Originally Posted by Nubrication

Have you ever been to top 100? I’ve reached top 100 in feast but never finished the season because of work constraints but wanna know how many cheaters or boosters I’ve seen? 1. In CC, I’ve seen zero.

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Exactly this, not everyone got a lot of time to burn as people work or have school/college so tying rewards to top 100 ranking becomes unfair for the people who do not have the ability to burn massive amounts of time on PvP

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Originally Posted by Cpt_Jack_Irons

Exactly this, not everyone got a lot of time to burn as people work or have school/college so tying rewards to top 100 ranking becomes unfair for the people who do not have the ability to burn massive amounts of time on PvP

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Isn't that the same with PvE though? Ppl taking time off for raiding etc. I understand that those rewards are there all the time of course, but I'm thinking of world first races etc.

Idk, the top 100 compete against other ppl who constantly have the time as well, and excluding cheaters and traders, they do put in the effort and time needed and I think they deserve it. I only tried to go for top 100 twice since that's when I had the time, once during a vacation and once I took some time off. One time I got it, one time I didn't. It was a pain but at least it was worth it, and fun. Now, since I don't have the time anymore my goal was only to get to crystal. And why should I be top 100 when I don't even play that much anymore? Other ppl are putting in more effort, they deserve it more than me.

For the record, I've only seen 1 cheater in CC on my way to crystal and 0 in feast. Suspected win-traders there are more of though but that's just suspecting.

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Originally Posted by Shirolumi

Isn't that the same with PvE though? Ppl taking time off for raiding etc. I understand that those rewards are there all the time of course, but I'm thinking of world first races etc.

Idk, the top 100 compete against other ppl who constantly have the time as well, and excluding cheaters and traders, they do put in the effort and time needed and I think they deserve it. I only tried to go for top 100 twice since that's when I had the time, once during a vacation and once I took some time off. One time I got it, one time I didn't. It was a pain but at least it was worth it, and fun. Now, since I don't have the time anymore my goal was only to get to crystal. And why should I be top 100 when I don't even play that much anymore? Other ppl are putting in more effort, they deserve it more than me.

For the record, I've only seen 1 cheater in CC on my way to crystal and 0 in feast. Suspected win-traders there are more of though but that's just suspecting.

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But world race is fraction of a fraction of people, and there are no rewards other than the challenge of it. It's the same argument that comes back, in that you can always go back do UCoB, if you find people willing to do it.

Remember when Yoshi went against his earlier statements and tried to effectively copy the Feast for the Firmament titles, and had to backpedal within a few days from all the backlash? I remember.
I'm pretty sure the only reason the ranked rewards stayed (for now) exclusive is because PvP is the most niche content.

With the current reward structure and present obtainable rewards, I feel a lack of incentive to continue playing Crystalline Conflict after achieving Crystal Rank. The series pass offers 1 gear set per series, but there are two Crystalline Conflict seasons in one series. This means that after obtaining the series pass gear set in the first season of Crystalline Conflict, there is nothing for the player to achieve for the entirety of the 2nd season especially if one has deemed that the top 100 rewards are even less desirable. This could lead to only odd numbered seasons being active while even numbered seasons lack participation as many have already received the rewards during the first Crystalline Conflict season.

To remedy this I would re-iterate the suggestion of making re-named, re-skin versions of past Feast rewards available for purchase for wolf collars (not the original rewards, so that the older Feast players can still enjoy the exclusivity of their reward from the seasons they played). The current trophy crystal HW re-skin sets are a perfect example. This could be accomplished by making the reskins cost a large sum of wolf collars per piece (30-40 per piece) and then also increasing the amount of trophy crystals you obtain in crystal conflict based on your rank. At the diamond and crystal level you should be given a large sum of trophy crystals per win.

This would make the re-skinned reward less obtainable by casual play and almost exclusively obtainable through winning many games at the high ranks of Crystal Conflict. With some fine tuning this could be as hard as it was in the past, or even tuned to be harder depending on how many trophy crystals you want to award diamond/crystal ranked players.

Furthermore, this would provide incentive for players uninterested in the current seasons top 100 reward (I personally like the Crystal framer plate better than the top 100 framer plates) to continue playing Crystalline Conflict. Otherwise once achieving Crystal Rank, there could be players who stop playing altogether, or only play ranked casually with alt jobs which severely lowers the quality of ranked games for players actively trying to achieve Crystal Rank and top 100 rewards

Hi,

I also regret the fact that the pvp rewards are time limited and hope for their feedback. Especially the shadowcleave's armor which is in my opinion one of the most beautiful in the game but which I missed...

I also agree with the opinion that these rewards should be obtained against a substantial investment but not necessarily reskins versions. After all, if you kill UCOB or UWU today, you'll get exactly the same rewards as whoever killed them first and no one complains. They just have the satisfaction of having succeeded first like pvp players would have the satisfaction of having their names and performances listed on the leaderboard.

Being able to obtain these rewards in exchange for crystal trophies is indeed a good way to keep people to keep this game mode alive.
Also asking for wolf marks in exchange would allow you to be invested in pvp in general.
An easier way to keep pvp interesting would be to make battlepass ranks take longer to earn and/or split the battlepass in half. The second part is unlocked in the 2nd season.

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Originally Posted by Kaidan-Aegis

Hi,

I also regret the fact that the pvp rewards are time limited and hope for their feedback. Especially the shadowcleave's armor which is in my opinion one of the most beautiful in the game but which I missed...

I also agree with the opinion that these rewards should be obtained against a substantial investment but not necessarily reskins versions. After all, if you kill UCOB or UWU today, you'll get exactly the same rewards as whoever killed them first and no one complains. They just have the satisfaction of having succeeded first like pvp players would have the satisfaction of having their names and performances listed on the leaderboard.

Being able to obtain these rewards in exchange for crystal trophies is indeed a good way to keep people to keep this game mode alive.
Also asking for wolf marks in exchange would allow you to be invested in pvp in general.
An easier way to keep pvp interesting would be to make battlepass ranks take longer to earn and/or split the battlepass in half. The second part is unlocked in the 2nd season.

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im much more down to allow old rewards to be available trough having to for a lengthy grind, as i said earlier i don't care if it takes long i just want a fair chance of time investment to get older rewards that are not locked behind a top 100 system that is very controversial

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Originally Posted by Cpt_Jack_Irons

im much more down to allow old rewards to be available trough having to for a lengthy grind, as i said earlier i don't care if it takes long i just want a fair chance of time investment to get older rewards that are not locked behind a top 100 system that is very controversial

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Also id rather not deal with getting reskins as that would just be an unnecessary bloat of reskins