2nd night unable to play because of LONG queue times

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Originally Posted by Noctemius

I get why folks are frustrated. It's totally fair, and voicing complaints is justified.

But how much can we really expect? Big MMO launches of any kind are always extremely difficult, if not nearly impossible, to pull off without a hitch. This sucks, but it's far from the worst launches, and will inevitably settle back down given a bit of time. Which is another key point- how much should they spend expanding and improving the infrastructure, when the actual problems are only going to persist for... some weeks, maybe a month tops? It seems far more practical to beg for patience than to prepare that much more. And even if they did prepare more, it still might've not been enough, because they can't see the future.

As a paying customer, yeah, it sucks. But it's not like they're also ignoring that. They're giving out free sub time; I, and many others, think this is a fair form of compensation. You aren't obligated to have the patience to agree, and you're certainly welcome to draw the line anyways, but they aren't spitting on their customers for daring to want to play, or forcing them to play at godawful times. They're just trying to work around a temporary problem that's very hard to address directly. Personally, I think that's good enough. Just because people aren't as frustrated about the issues doesn't mean they're white knighting SE or ignoring the problems, it just doesn't bother them as much.

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Honest valid points delivered in a respectful way. Thank you Noctemius. Apparently this is where I become disrespectful to you because of "reasons."

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Originally Posted by Arazehl

We get it, you don't accept the word of SE, just because you don't doesn't mean everyone has to feel like you.

Right now you're arguing for the sake of arguing. Every post you have is a "reply with quote" to the point where you've even quoted your own commit. You're the one with the rebuttals for everything. It doesn't matter what people post. Step back and take a look at your own thread.

I wish people wouldn't cater anymore to you on the matter or your posts. It's plain where this is all leading. Tip: If you want to play then right click on your name in the character select menu and ask to go to a less congested world. This may alleviate your agony somewhat and this obsession you have with anyone having a different POV other than your own.

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Now this is a clear example of being combative for absolutely no reason. Who's arguing that people must feel the same way I feel? I'm surely not. Yes, I'm quoting people. Yes I quote myself. Your point? I'm keeping this issue everyone is experiencing relevant on the forums. Then you're lying and calling it an obsession. If you honestly believe this, we can't have a reasonable conversation.

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Originally Posted by Sekurity

Yes, I'm quoting people. Yes I quote myself. Your point? I'm keeping this issue everyone is experiencing relevant on the forums. Yet lying and calling it an obsession. If you honestly believe this, we can't have a reasonable conversation.

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All I will say is good luck to you, because any other thing I say is pointless in your eyes. It is what it is.

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Originally Posted by Arazehl

All I will say is good luck to you, because any other thing I say is pointless in your eyes. It is what it is.

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Fair enough. Take care.

I have a question for all the...I don't want to say "white knights" because not all of you are acting that way. Ill say "side 1"

Why are you even here? I mean I know you guys have the right to be on this forum as much as anyone else here, but why is there always at least one person in one of these threads that has to immediately jump to the defense of this company? Most of the people making complaints are making them for logical reasons. If you are having no trouble with the game, or are are perfectly fine with Squares actions then good on you. But what PURPOSE does it serve to antagonize those who are having issues and are upset other than to just start shit? Is it truly impossible for you to just stay out of it it if it doesn't concern you?

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Originally Posted by ApeKing

I have a question for all the...I don't want to say "white knights" because not all of you are acting that way. Ill say "side 1"

Why are you even here? I mean I know you guys have the right to be on this forum as much as anyone else here, but why is there always at least one person in one of these threads that has to immediately jump to the defense of this company? Most of the people making complaints are making them for logical reasons. If you are having no trouble with the game, or are are perfectly fine with Squares actions then good on you. But what PURPOSE does it serve to antagonize those who are having issues and are upset other than to just start shit? Is it truly impossible for you to just stay out of it it if it doesn't concern you?

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I couldn't agree with you more. Im defending myself against lies and disrespect, yet we continue to get people coming in here, flipping to the last page, and judging this whole thread on the very last postings. Yet I'm the one in the wrong for some reason.
But apparently, responding to people on your own post is somehow an obsession.

People.... It's become an ongoing troll by the same individuals.

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Originally Posted by Keman

The problem will not be resolved by itself. The deception of users is already now. They collected money and are not going to fulfill the services for which they received money. It is strange that you encourage violation of the law. And it is a pity that you and the like you can not bring to justice as you deserve.

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They have not deceived the consumer... They stated prior to pre-order sales being processed that due to the inability to secure server hardware, there would likely be login issues. They actually said it multiple times. They also haven't broken any laws. Nice try at inciting a witch hunt, though.

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Originally Posted by DBriggs304

People.... It's become an ongoing troll by the same individuals.

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I'd like to think better of this community but its very hard not to see it this way.

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Originally Posted by DBriggs304

People.... It's become an ongoing troll by the same individuals.

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Briggs! I was wondering when you were going to swing by. Please, enlighten these people with your words of wisdom.
Since when did expressing your concerns on the forums become trolling?

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Originally Posted by Banggugyangu

They have not deceived the consumer... They stated prior to pre-order sales being processed that due to the inability to secure server hardware, there would likely be login issues. They actually said it multiple times. They also haven't broken any laws. Nice try at inciting a witch hunt, though.

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"Login issues" is a rather broad statement unfortunately. It could mean anything from the occasional disconnect to literal thousands not being able to play for extended periods of time. Unfortunately its the latter. While it's a bit late now, they honestly should have mentioned how bad it COULD get. There might be a lot less upset people.

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Originally Posted by ApeKing

Ok you REALLY need to stop this. Solutions from the consumer are always welcome but it is not the responsibility OF them. It's Square/Enixs responsibility to provide one. And a consumer not having one or providing one does not disqualify them from or justify excluding their opinions and views on the matter.

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If someone is going to speak in absolutes as the OP has throughout this from a standpoint that he has the answers, which is the standpoint from which the OP has taken, then he NEEDS to be able to answer that question. It's fine to express dissatisfaction, but making statements like he has made while providing no form of suggestion is just useless noise. SE has acknowledged the problem. They have stated their intent to resolve the problem as best as they can. They have provided a recompense as apology for the problem. Beyond that, if there's something more they should do, state it. If you cannot do that, then once you have said your piece, step down. The OP has cried through the first few pages of this thread about it, but has offered nothing but salty tears.

*edit* And anyone that has taken any stance opposed to him has been met with dismissal and insult.

I first want to say, the community for FFXIV is spectacular, you people, on an average are just some of the best people I have met online. I think one of the primary reasons the community is so great is because of their love for this game. When you really love something, you will sacrifice for it. What I hear you saying, generally speaking, in response to the horrible situation that FFXIV faces with this login issue is be patient. I can not fault you for that, your faith in the development team has been forged from years of experience with them and from what I have read is well deserved.

Me personally, I would lump myself in with the wow refugee group even though I quit wow for the 5th time over a year ago. Most game developers I have dealt with, never tell the truth, say they are working on something when they aren't and are only too happy to take your money and provide nothing in return. That is a toxic perspective, I realize that, and it is unfair to apply that perspective to this game when there is so much community support for the development team. This game is fun, and I am not use to waiting four hours to play an online game, only to be disconnected and wait another four hours. I believe everyone can admit that it is a terrible situation we find ourselves in, but please be patient with the other players who are outraged by this treatment, their experience with game developers probably falls into my own category and not your own.

Some suggestions for players:
1) 6:30 AM EST the wait time is a few minutes, if you really want to get your moneys worth, playing earlier in the morning US State side may help.

2) When you get disconnected, attempt to reconnect, hit the start button as soon as you see it. If the game does not connect by the time the end walker logo displays use task manager to stop the game, and launch the game immediately. Repeat until you reconnect and you might be able to get back into queue where you left off.

Some suggestions for Square Enix:
1) It is very frustrating to wait in a queue, and when you are 100ish players away from logging to be shunted back to the end at over 8k players ahead of you. I suggest that you initiate a special login. Let players sign up to login, provide an estimated wait time and have them disconnect. When it is their turn to connect, send a text/email whatever with a code that will allow them to connect to the game. You won't have people pulling their hair out and cursing your name because they wasted 4 hours waiting. It still sucks, but it at least provides some fairness to your queue process. Each place for a player should be held for 5 minutes or so, which should be long enough for them to launch and log into the game.

2) If you do not see a solution to this problem, perhaps you could provide a special mount, free class boost, or fantasia to players who would be willing to not login for a few weeks. You could temporarily inactivate their accounts, so they can't login and you really aren't out any actual money.

Anyway, hope these suggestions help someone. I appreciate the opportunity to vent.

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Originally Posted by Banggugyangu

If someone is going to speak in absolutes as the OP has throughout this from a standpoint that he has the answers, which is the standpoint from which the OP has taken, then he NEEDS to be able to answer that question. It's fine to express dissatisfaction, but making statements like he has made while providing no form of suggestion is just useless noise. SE has acknowledged the problem. They have stated their intent to resolve the problem as best as they can. They have provided a recompense as apology for the problem. Beyond that, if there's something more they should do, state it. If you cannot do that, then once you have said your piece, step down. The OP has cried through the first few pages of this thread about it, but has offered nothing but salty tears.

*edit* And anyone that has taken any stance opposed to him has been met with dismissal and insult.

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And what good has it been to continue arguing about it with them? Why not be the bigger person and drop it yourself?

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Originally Posted by valhalid

I first want to say, the community for FFXIV is spectacular, you people, on an average are just some of the best people I have met online. I think one of the primary reasons the community is so great is because of their love for this game. When you really love something, you will sacrifice for it. What I hear you saying, generally speaking, in response to the horrible situation that FFXIV faces with this login issue is be patient. I can not fault you for that, your faith in the development team has been forged from years of experience with them and from what I have read is well deserved.

Me personally, I would lump myself in with the wow refugee group even though I quit wow for the 5th time over a year ago. Most game developers I have dealt with, never tell the truth, say they are working on something when they aren't and are only too happy to take your money and provide nothing in return. That is a toxic perspective, I realize that, and it is unfair to apply that perspective to this game when there is so much community support for the development team. This game is fun, and I am not use to waiting four hours to play an online game, only to be disconnected and wait another four hours. I believe everyone can admit that it is a terrible situation we find ourselves in, but please be patient with the other players who are outraged by this treatment, their experience with game developers probably falls into my own category and not your own.

Some suggestions for players:
1) 6:30 AM EST the wait time is a few minutes, if you really want to get your moneys worth, playing earlier in the morning US State side may help.

2) When you get disconnected, attempt to reconnect, hit the start button as soon as you see it. If the game does not connect by the time the end walker logo displays use task manager to stop the game, and launch the game immediately. Repeat until you reconnect and you might be able to get back into queue where you left off.

Some suggestions for Square Enix:
1) It is very frustrating to wait in a queue, and when you are 100ish players away from logging to be shunted back to the end at over 8k players ahead of you. I suggest that you initiate a special login. Let players sign up to login, provide an estimated wait time and have them disconnect. When it is their turn to connect, send a text/email whatever with a code that will allow them to connect to the game. You won't have people pulling their hair out and cursing your name because they wasted 4 hours waiting. It still sucks, but it at least provides some fairness to your queue process. Each place for a player should be held for 5 minutes or so, which should be long enough for them to launch and log into the game.

2) If you do not see a solution to this problem, perhaps you could provide a special mount, free class boost, or fantasia to players who would be willing to not login for a few weeks. You could temporarily inactivate their accounts, so they can't login and you really aren't out any actual money.

Anyway, hope these suggestions help someone. I appreciate the opportunity to vent.

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Thank you valhalid for your astute observation of the matter and suggestions. If every person was like you, we could really get things done.

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Originally Posted by Banggugyangu

*edit* And anyone that has taken any stance opposed to him has been met with dismissal and insult.

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Lie. If you truly believe this, there is something wrong with your comprehension.

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Originally Posted by Sekurity

Thank you valhalid for your astute observation of the matter and suggestions. If every person was like you, we could really get things done.

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I know you are upset but you gotta drop the passive-agressiveness >_>

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Originally Posted by ApeKing

I know you are upset but you gotta drop the passive-agressiveness >_>

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I honestly meant that. I wasnt being sarcastic in the least bit. Also, Im not upset at all.

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Originally Posted by Sekurity

I honestly meant that. I wasnt being sarcastic in the least bit. Also, Im not upset at all.

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That's not what passive-agressivness means.

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Originally Posted by Sekurity

I honestly meant that. I wasnt being sarcastic in the least bit. Also, Im not upset at all.

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He didn't say "sarcastic" he said "passive-aggressive". The comment he just quoted was a sly attempt at insulting pretty much everyone that has disagreed with you in the thread.

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Originally Posted by Banggugyangu

He didn't say "sarcastic" he said "passive-aggressive". The comment he just quoted was a sly attempt at insulting pretty much everyone that has disagreed with you in the thread.

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And YOU stop being so accusatory.

BOTH OF YOU BREAK IT UP REEEEEEEEE

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Originally Posted by ApeKing

I know you are upset but you gotta drop the passive-agressiveness >_>

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That may be another thing causing confusion. People assert motive to what people say. If it was a face to face conversation, the facial and body expressions help out the comprehension of conversations.
On here, its straight up text. So people can easily take 1 thing that was said like you did, and take it as I was meaning to be a smart @ss, but actually I was being totally genuine.

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Originally Posted by ApeKing

That's not what passive-agressivness means.

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Fair enough, but I wasn't meaning for it to be. My apologies. You are now disagreeing with me. Is this where I turn on you? :)

Jokes aside text communication really can be taken out of context. And unfortunately it does lead to animosity. Deep breaths everyone....

Cool, calm, and collected.

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Originally Posted by Sekurity

I am aware of my so called "entitlements" you've so eloquently laid out for me. But as I discussed early with the IT industry lady, I will continue to do what I see fit and engage with who I see fit until Ive ended it. I feel like I have to keep repeating myself because the people jumping on me only read the quoted portions they are apart of.

Do you enjoy long queue times? If your answer is no, then going on the forums and expressing your concerns and frustrations is what you are supposed to do. How else is SE supposed to judge how severe this situation without judging the publics reaction. In my OP, I was frustrated, but respectable. YOU people started jumping on me with delusions of entitlements when I was simply doing what gamers are supposed to do.

I will agree that some of the "nerd rage" posts are whiny. But honestly, try to think of me as an ok human being, was my OP a spoiled entitled child whining? If your answer is yes to this, I can't have a legitimate conversation with you anymore.

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Actually, I've made absolutely certain to reply to the entirety of your post. I don't cherry-pick. I greatly dislike when people cherry-pick me, so I don't do it to others. You'll notice I took care to reply to your entire post. Did it the first time I posted, too. You're repeating yourself because people are contradicting what you are saying, and instead of taking what they're saying and restating, you've ended up in a position where your stance isn't all that strong. You keep talking about procurement and how easy it is, but your entire solution to the issue is just to throw money at it; which is, as you can probably guess at this point, incredibly entitled. You're demanding they spend money without any personal knowledge as to their actual budget or efforts. It doesn't satisfy you, and you're not happy. You offer no other solutions, you just tell them it's unacceptable. I'm not sure about you, but if someone tells me that something out of my control is unacceptable and I have done my best to alleviate it, that person telling me it wasn't good enough doesn't make me want to do anything faster. It doesn't help anything, and I'd really like to hope you understand that.


Do I enjoy long queues? I have no strong feelings either way. I have a lot of things I can do while waiting for the queue to go down - Phasmo has an update out that I'm eager to play, I have plenty of community and role-play things to update while I'm waiting, I've got a really fluffy cat that likes to be brushed and cuddled, or I can just mellow and watch some streams for games that interest me outside of my MMO experience. I do the exact same things that I would be doing if I was standing in line anywhere else - I can't avoid the line, but I can entertain myself while I'm in it. As it is? I got free game time while sitting in line with everyone else. As far as I'm concerned, it wasn't necessary but quite nice, and I'll enjoy those days when I can play. If there's more days? Cool. I've been in queues more than I've been able to play, but I've greatly enjoyed what I've done so far. It's been very fun, for me, to listen to others. They're excited, and I'll be able to share in that excitement soon.

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I am honestly trying to have a discussion with you, but this is too much. Im am actually able to log into FF14 for once, but not going to read all this. My apologies.

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I'm glad you're able to play the game, and hope you enjoy it, though I'm certainly not blind to you responding to others in the thread in spite of you getting in. You don't need to make an excuse as to why you don't wish to engage with me; you are responding to shorter posts that are similar to mine, and those that are long but defend your point of view. I'm well aware I'm wordy, but I like to make sure I'm clear.

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I did catch the I'm not being respectful in past posts. I give respect to people who give me respect. When people lie and try to twist my OP into some delusional spoiled brat entitled nerdrage, I'm going on the defensive. Simple as that. I start every conversation with respect. If someone starts off insulting me, all bets are off for a respectful manner goes out the window. Im also not "name calling," im describing their behavior.

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I didn't lie, nor did I twist anything. Again, you are claiming something is unacceptable. This something is something that you have no control over. You offer no solutions other than to throw money that isn't yours to throw at a problem that is greater than your playtime. You do sound spoiled, yes. You also show a base lack of empathy; things happen. Queues happen (in fact, there's always a tiny queue of 30 or so on my server at primetime, not counting the current launch situation), crashes happen, sometimes things just happen.

I'd be upset if these things were happening and we were getting radio silence, sure. We aren't, however. They've been very transparent and informational. The servers are not an option at this moment. The shortage no longer matters - it is too late to get those servers in and set up. So, they are doing what they can and what is in their power to do. To me, that is very acceptable.

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Originally Posted by Nulstat

Actually, I've made absolutely certain to reply to the entirety of your post. I don't cherry-pick. I greatly dislike when people cherry-pick me, so I don't do it to others. You'll notice I took care to reply to your entire post. Did it the first time I posted, too. You're repeating yourself because people are contradicting what you are saying, and instead of taking what they're saying and restating, you've ended up in a position where your stance isn't all that strong. You keep talking about procurement and how easy it is, but your entire solution to the issue is just to throw money at it; which is, as you can probably guess at this point, incredibly entitled. You're demanding they spend money without any personal knowledge as to their actual budget or efforts. It doesn't satisfy you, and you're not happy. You offer no other solutions, you just tell them it's unacceptable. I'm not sure about you, but if someone tells me that something out of my control is unacceptable and I have done my best to alleviate it, that person telling me it wasn't good enough doesn't make me want to do anything faster. It doesn't help anything, and I'd really like to hope you understand that.


Do I enjoy long queues? I have no strong feelings either way. I have a lot of things I can do while waiting for the queue to go down - Phasmo has an update out that I'm eager to play, I have plenty of community and role-play things to update while I'm waiting, I've got a really fluffy cat that likes to be brushed and cuddled, or I can just mellow and watch some streams for games that interest me outside of my MMO experience. I do the exact same things that I would be doing if I was standing in line anywhere else - I can't avoid the line, but I can entertain myself while I'm in it. As it is? I got free game time while sitting in line with everyone else. As far as I'm concerned, it wasn't necessary but quite nice, and I'll enjoy those days when I can play. If there's more days? Cool. I've been in queues more than I've been able to play, but I've greatly enjoyed what I've done so far. It's been very fun, for me, to listen to others. They're excited, and I'll be able to share in that excitement soon.



I'm glad you're able to play the game, and hope you enjoy it, though I'm certainly not blind to you responding to others in the thread in spite of you getting in. You don't need to make an excuse as to why you don't wish to engage with me; you are responding to shorter posts that are similar to mine, and those that are long but defend your point of view. I'm well aware I'm wordy, but I like to make sure I'm clear.



I didn't lie, nor did I twist anything. Again, you are claiming something is unacceptable. This something is something that you have no control over. You offer no solutions other than to throw money that isn't yours to throw at a problem that is greater than your playtime. You do sound spoiled, yes. You also show a base lack of empathy; things happen. Queues happen (in fact, there's always a tiny queue of 30 or so on my server at primetime, not counting the current launch situation), crashes happen, sometimes things just happen.

I'd be upset if these things were happening and we were getting radio silence, sure. We aren't, however. They've been very transparent and informational. The servers are not an option at this moment. The shortage no longer matters - it is too late to get those servers in and set up. So, they are doing what they can and what is in their power to do. To me, that is very acceptable.

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Im gathering wood and have been for the past 2 hours. All the other posts were of reasonable size to me. Also, Im a quick typer but not a fast reader. My apologies.

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Originally Posted by Sekurity

The shortages are just that. SHORTAGES. They are out there. Granted, the cost may be 5x, 10x, or even 20x the normal price, but they are out there. With all the money they've received from the WoW migration, that was their first red flag. Then when preorders launched, that was their second. Fast forward to today, here we are. Another expansion release, even worse queue lines that normal. FF14 claimed this hasnt been the first time this occured. This has happened with every expansion. So what else is the consumer supposed to think other than they aren't fixing the issue.
Theres also reasons why companies spend 100k+ dollars on public relations. Its to coerce consumers into acceptance. The shortage excuse is just that. They have the money to buy the hardware they require, they just dont want to pay the ridiculous skyrocketing prices for it.

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From this alone, I greatly question your claim that you are in charge of procuring IT hardware.

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Originally Posted by Yahallo

From this alone, I greatly question your claim that you are in charge of procuring IT hardware.

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Ok, thanks for your input.

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Originally Posted by Sekurity

:sigh:
Ok, thanks for your input.

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Honestly they have the right to question it. No one can claim to be an expert in a field and just be immediately believed on an internet forum. It mean's piss-all. That doesn't just mean YOU though so dont take it the wrong way. There are a few OTHER examples here as well (wont name names)

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Originally Posted by ApeKing

Honestly they have the right to question it. No one can claim to be an expert in a field and just be immediately believed on an internet forum. It mean's piss-all. That doesn't just mean YOU though so dont take it the wrong way. There are a few OTHER examples here as well (wont name names)

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I understand. Its just concerning people would rather comment on my current employment rather than the actual problem that was supposed to be discussed all along.

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Originally Posted by ApeKing

Honestly they have the right to question it. No one can claim to be an expert in a field and just be immediately believed on an internet forum. It mean's piss-all. That doesn't just mean YOU though so dont take it the wrong way. There are a few OTHER examples here as well (wont name names)

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I only brought it up my job because of the lady of IT industry claiming that she's in the know. So I figured I would try to prove that I am also in the know. Thats all.

Logging off for the night. Thanks Apeking for being the moderator of this insane thread. Ill return tomorrow to see what havoc has been unleashed. :) Take care.

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Originally Posted by Sekurity

I only brought it up my job because of the lady of IT industry claiming that she's in the know. So I figured I would try to prove that I am also in the know. Thats all.

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Never respond to a claim with a claim. Either believe them or disregard it.

This is my worse experience with FF14 ever, so much so im willing to never play it again. So many other quality games that work well out there to waste time on this.

I have not been able to log in since EW launch... Does anyone have any tips before i get rid of this game forever.

Literally time out before the queue gets anywhere near 0... Moving to a new server doesnt sound like it will help if the queue are worse.

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Originally Posted by Ayeffle

This is my worse experience with FF14 ever, so much so im willing to never play it again. So many other quality games that work well out there to waste time on this.

I have not been able to log in since EW launch... Does anyone have any tips before i get rid of this game forever.

Literally time out before the queue gets anywhere near 0... Moving to a new server doesnt sound like it will help if the queue are worse.

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The only thing you can really do is get on early in the day and stay on. If you don't have the ability to do that, there's not much else you can do. That's what I did all last weekend.

The queues are still booting people and not saving their position. I know that because it just happened to me.

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Originally Posted by Ayeffle

This is my worse experience with FF14 ever, so much so im willing to never play it again. So many other quality games that work well out there to waste time on this.

I have not been able to log in since EW launch... Does anyone have any tips before i get rid of this game forever.

Literally time out before the queue gets anywhere near 0... Moving to a new server doesnt sound like it will help if the queue are worse.

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It's not really a solution or tip, and I totally agree that this sucks, but I think just take the weekend off before you make any decisions about your future with the game. I spent today not even trying to queue and it did do me a lot of good. (And I was in the same emotional boat as you, about 5 minutes away from unsubbing, etc) As frustrating as this is, I sincerely think there's not much that can be done in the immediate future about it, unfortunately.

Yeah I do hear you and you raise a great point. Its just frustrating, i'll try another server if this keeps up for a couple more days.. I appreciate your comments basil.

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Originally Posted by Ziplda

You really are a piece of work aren't ya? Nulstat

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So I've been told, yeah. Fine art, usually - but most times I feel like an abstract installation.

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First of all none of the games mentioned had such errors as 2002 and 3001 and all the others. That is the main complaint.

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Yes, they did. Those codes are still in other companies, they're just different numbers. World of Warcraft had an issue much like this back in Warlords. Same issues, different codes. It's been a while since I've been anywhere near a WoW queue, but I do remember the 519's. Every expansion launch - and yes, right back to the back of the 10k+ queues, every time.

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You think people don't deserve to play a game they bought. You think they don't deserve to play when they want too, or at least be in the queue and be able to keep their positions.
You are the type of white knights I despise the most. Also, about these games you're talking about. Not every server had a queue that took a couple hours and had errors run them out of the queue. Not consistently and not for this long. So stop bringing up the queues because that really isn't the issue at hand, it's the errors that happen while people are in queue.

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It's not my place to say if people deserve something or not. On the contrary, I would very much like everyone to be able to play, and from experience I know that with a little patience... they will be able to play. I am, however, absolutely within my right to point out that they sound quite entitled for a minor inconvenience - and it is a minor inconvenience, as the OP is already 90 on a class in spite of the queue issues. Conveniently, I notice you are also 90. So he has clearly been able to play longer than some - including myself. Which is fine, but please don't assume that I don't want people playing; I do... and while we're at it, please do not sit at max level and speak for the people who can't get in. I can speak for myself, enduring the same queues that have prevented me from playing the game I also paid for. I don't need your indignation; it's shallow.

In addition, I'm bringing up the queues because that's the thread topic. The OP posted about the queue in his first post. In fact, he never mentions disconnects at all, let alone in regards to the errors - but he does bring up the queue and the semi-conductors. I do note that the OP praised this reply, and after having him be quite upset that his words were being taken out of context, I'm quite disappointed to see that he wouldn't stand up for himself and correct you like he seems to be more than happy to do with anyone who offers him a fair rebuttal.

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Secondly, Your semi-conductors excuse is a valid and legit excuse to have, but the fact is SE release a game that half of the community can't get on. Unless they alter their sleeping schedules or take time off of work. WHICH IS UNACCEPTABLE ANYWHERE. Yes I used caps. All you white knights or people that like to stick up for this kind of behavior from companies like to say well just wait and then come back while the rest of the people can enjoy the game, you'll get all the story spoiled for you and you'll have people clear the dungeons and raids. Because like you said the Semi-conductors are the problem. Isn't the stock for those supposed to be out for the next 6 months? Or are you saying that because people will get fed up with having to wait in queues to be constantly kicked out or baby sit the queues to get in? I get it you could careless about the player base as a whole. As long as you're right about what you're opinion, because that's all it is. An opinion some facts spread in there.

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I agree; I do find it quite unacceptable for people to shuffle their schedules around to play a video game. I also acknowledge that it's the choice they, personally, make. To be clear, I also think that taking time off to play a video game is also pretty scummy, but I acknowledge that my opinion is through the lens of someone who worked in industries where the lack of one person was felt by the whole, and was often called in on my days off to replace people who had called out for this reason. People work for their time off, they should be able to use it however they like, and I can respect that even if I don't agree with the reasons. However, that is still choice. There is no requirement, here. It's quite easy to just go do something else while things get fixed, and they do get fixed. The game still exists, it's still online, we'll be able to play just fine sooner or later.

I don't exactly have an inside link to the industry, so I can't speak for when the shortages are set to ease up - but industry experts are saying that 2022 looks good for supply to start to rise, with 2024 seeing normal output. Of course, we could always have another pandemic cause another upset, we don't know the future.

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Thirdly, People have a right to be upset and want a refund if they want. One like i said before they WILL have the story spoiled for them. Especially if they have social media with connections with FFXIV. I bet you'll say "Well duh get off of those sites." Aren't you the smartest crayon in the box. Let me digress though and continue. The servers are the problem, but to get into the game the servers have to work. And again other MMO's had queues. But most if not all as long as you waited out the queue you would be the in the game. What I would do while waiting for the queue. Again you have to baby sit this one.

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I've never had the story spoiled for me. That isn't to say that it's never going to happen, but I've taken the steps to make sure that it doesn't happen. I've surrounded myself with good people who understand that we all want to get there on our own time - heck, I have to be careful not to spoil things for a few members of my FC that joined very close to EW release and are still progressing through ShB. Spoilers are rather easy to avoid, it just takes a little effort.

Yes. I've had to babysit every queue I've been in. That's the point of a queue. If you aren't there, you don't get a spot saved. Now, it is frustrating when something happens outside of your control and you end up losing your spot even though you were right there, and I do agree that it can be intensely frustrating when that happens and I'm not saying that it's foolish to be upset about it, but you have the choice to get back into queue and take a gamble on the risk it might happen again, or acknowledge that maybe you'd rather do something else than risk it. The queues here are a fraction of the size of what I was frequently disconnected from in WoW, so yeah. I can wait patiently with everyone else.

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number 4, Your whole stick about "This isn't your work. This is comfort, and it is optional." No no no no. If I pay for something I expect it to work. Period. I expect from a game and all games that I should be able to get in at the moments I want to play. Sub is counted in days. 24 hour period for each day. Not in the morning and not at late late night. When I want too. and Yes since I paid for this service or object or whatever. I expect me to be able to use it. To me this is a hobby and it is my biggest stress reliever. Always has been. You got a problem with it I really don't care, because this is my life and I can do what I want with it. I bet if your internet didn't always work and you could only use it reliably in the morning or late night you would be mad about it.

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If I pay for something, I also expect it to work. I also expect that sometimes, it won't. Technology is tenuous, and I've enough experience in it to understand that you can do everything right and sometimes it just doesn't matter. I also understand that even if I pay for something, something can prevent me from accessing it. The reality is that sometimes it's not available, even if I pay for it. Again, this is something that you sign as an agreement before you even play the game. You're literally signing off on the fact that you understand that the service will have interruptions, and that you accept this.

If my internet didn't always work, I'd be fired. So, yes. I would be upset. However, I'd also make sure I covered my own bum; my employer would be aware, I'd do my best to make it online, I would change my shifts to help out if it was possible, and I would very much have my ISP with their you-know-what's in a vise, because unlike an inability access a video game I also enjoy as a hobby, the inability to do my actual work means I'm not just unable to indulge in my hobby, it also means I can't pay my bills like the internet and rent, can't feed myself (and worse, my cat), and I'm letting down a lot of people at my job. There's a difference; FFXIV is optional, my job is not.

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As a MMO veteran I am disgusted with people like you. Every gaming company needs to know what can be allowed and not. This right here shouldn't be allowed. WoW practices of making players feel like they should have to play every day shouldn't be allowed because that becomes addiction. New World and all their mess ups shouldn't be allowed. People like you let companies like them get away with this type of behavior.

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Didn't you just say how you should have complete 24 hour access to a game that you pay for? You pretty well implied that you feel like you should be playing, lest you miss something important or get something spoiled. If it's not appropriate for Blizzard to make players feel like they should be playing all the time, then why is it suddenly okay for you to be angry that you can't play all the time whenever you like in FFXIV? I can't speak for others, but I don't play WoW right now - I got tired of seeing a game I enjoyed get run into the ground, so I quit because nothing I could do would ever be able to change something outside of my control.

I'm vastly more concerned about the other stuff going on at Blizzard - and again, when it comes to real people, that takes precedence over pixels. Your priorities don't matter to me, but I'm glad you felt like sharing.

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They should've pushed Endwalker back for the release till they had better/more servers. You don't like it because it would be a draught and you couldn't play at all. But their are people literally living in that they can't play. When they should be able too. Entitlement. I swear people like you just use words whenever you like to, to put someone down. To me you are White knighting, because you bring up other MMO's and compare them like those MMOs and FFXIV have the same problem. They don't. It does not matter if they apologize. Apologizing only goes so far.

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You can't even tolerate queues, you actually think that months of a game being delayed - a game that is pretty well finished because they delayed it two weeks - for the sake of servers would have gone over well? 'Sorry guys. The game is done, we're just waiting on the servers to get here. Unfortunately, we don't know when that's going to happen.'

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Yoshi is a great man and someone I find to be a very great role model or a hard worker and tries to do his best. SE to me is the problem. Again I don't care about your semi-conductors. I really do wish you would see it from the people who can't play.

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As someone who has actually been unable to play and does not actually have enough time logged in to have a 90 and other classes leveled, I think I can see it just fine from where I am, thank you. I can stand up just fine on my own.

Why does it matter if I have a 90 and some other classes leveled? I still can't just log on when ever I want in fact I took days off of work from my vacation allotment to do so. If I didn't have that I wouldn't be anywhere near 90.

Also, I'm not ignorant enough to not understand how a situation is because I don't go through it. I don't need to go through pregnancy to understand that giving birth hurts. I also have to deal with the queues now that I don't have time off of work. I have to deal with the errors that is happening on all servers. I have NO PROBLEM with queues. I have a problem with the babysitting the queue and the disconnections from queues.

So, you think if the servers were just dead didn't work at all that would be okay? because technically that would be interruptions and still count towards the agreement.

Some people like to gear out their character and be that guy that is the most geared in dungeons or be the first to get said item or materials. Their is a lot of benefits of being at the beginning of the game when a new expansion launches.

You see a game as optional and yes but also is paying for rent, and all utilities. You could go live in the forest and live out there. These things are also optional. You do them because they provide you comfort and safety from outside world. But you could also do the same in the forest if you learn to survive out there. I mean people do it.

I think Blizzard has turned to a dumpster fire of a company but I've never really had any issues with their log in servers besides the first day of launch. If there is a queue I never got booted from that queue besides my internet failing.


and if the 2022 issue is true and lets say it happens you saying wait a month isn't going to happen. People that could get in everyday will have played it till they don't want to anymore and the others get to just sit back and wait. That is unacceptable to me. Luckily FFXIV isn't an open world PvP game because that would be even worse. z

I will never change your mind and you won't mine. I can see your points and I can see why you have them. My worry is that people like you that give games a pass because simply we can play it later is setting a stage for where gaming companies don't have to care how they release a game as long as they put an agreement to cover their butt.