The New Sage Icon, Thoughts?

I don't care. It's just an icon.

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Originally Posted by Jandor

Like the people getting a bit upset about a job icon receiving a minor revision to remove some holes?

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Hardly. Disbelief isn't equal to upset, after all.

What is interesting to me though, is the gaslighting. We've had people show up in this thread to launch personal attacks at other posters, accusing them of 'lacking empathy' for not joining the clapping and cheering of a corporation making a display of their virtue. Yet despite such bile being thrown around...some choose to try and portray the people rolling their eyes as the ones overreacting.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Hardly. Disbelief isn't equal to upset, after all.

What is interesting to me though, is the gaslighting. We've had people show up in this thread to launch personal attacks at other posters, accusing them of 'lacking empathy' for not joining the clapping and cheering of a corporation making a display of their virtue. Yet despite such bile being thrown around...some choose to try and portray the people rolling their eyes as the ones overreacting.

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Because it is. The reaction to this should literally have been the meme: Oh no! Moving on....

My question is, since it was such a small number of people asking for it. Why not do a poll globally to gauge people’s reactions. Because it is something that effects everyone even if it’s small.Even reading that jp thread, there are multiple people saying, they don’t see why they should change it, they could just enable an option for players sensitive to that to toggle it.Again, its weird to me SE took action for this because they didnt want a minority of players to feel uncomfortable, but theyre fine inserting a stripping underage girl which no one bats an eye at.

This needs to go next.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...d468ef5c49.png

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Originally Posted by Eloah

So, they just announced a redesign of the Sage Icon, as seen in this post here,

Sage Icon Changes

What are peoples thoughts. I can see the reason for the change but feel they could of went with a better alternative. Like why not mimic the wing shape the make along the players back. I'm sure the new icon will grow on us, similar to how Gunbreaker's did, but what do people think?

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Personally I don't think it would of triggered mine but I'm happy with the change regardless if it helps others. Also I'm glad (not glad but you get what I mean) to see I'm not the only one that has this stupid phobia as trying to explain it to others in real life just elicits confused head tilts and raised eyebrows.

This is just a quick modification I made to the Sage icon in Adobe Photoshop.

I used the same elements from the presented modified icon.

I do not like the "threading the needle" aspect of the neuliths, so I removed that part of the visual.

I copied and pasted the central lith, adjusted the positioning, and slightly rotated the liths to show my preference for the icon.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/PbQc1fACf9Uyi3te9

https://photos.app.goo.gl/PbQc1fACf9Uyi3te9

Note: using preview, I do not see the image I am linking.

Jokes aside it ultimately isn't going to matter. It's just an icon and people won't be paying too much attention to it. If only they cared this much about balance changes to healers as a whole. Who have been asking for changes since early ShB.

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Originally Posted by deeahchur

Note: using preview, I do not see the image I am linking.

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https://i.imgur.com/bdv3OIs.png

I quite like it.

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Originally Posted by Lanadra

It's color is wrong. It ought to be red.

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Finally, someone making sense.

Y'all will argue about anything.

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Originally Posted by Jandor

The old icon was making some people feel sick and it wasn't particularly well liked anyway. I don't understand the massive overreaction from some people here.

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Yeah, pretty much. Personally, I think it was mostly a PR move more than anything as far as the reasoning goes. Gotta look extra good right now! They've always been very handicap friendly though with this game. Either way I don't see the big deal. Enough people didn't like it and that was probably reason enough to change it. Might as well look good in the process.

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Originally Posted by Jandor

Like the people getting a bit upset about a job icon receiving a minor revision to remove some holes?

I'd understand if it was nearly anything else, but it's four lines on a green background that represent one of the games classes, there is no hidden meaning or depth or anything to it. It's literally just an icon.

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Lol right? They even said that because it is an icon specifically, and therefore would show up in almost all aspects of the game and on merch, that that is the reason they decided to change it. The change took minimal effort, and looks better anyway.

Leave it to the OF to see any small gesture of good will as some sort of slippery slope to Hugbox Hell.

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Originally Posted by MagiusNecros

Jokes aside it ultimately isn't going to matter. It's just an icon and people won't be paying too much attention to it. If only they cared this much about balance changes to healers as a whole. Who have been asking for changes since early ShB.

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Or people asking for housing changes for 6-8 years. Unfortunately those things aren’t as big of a pr move as this so /shrug

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Originally Posted by Fawkes

Y'all will argue about anything.

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It's what the internet was made for. =///w///= ♥

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Originally Posted by TeraRamis

True. I think the point of contention that people have taken was that SE announced this change specifically to cater to an (incredible) minority of people (who suffer from a disorder-that-isn't), and the resultant concern that, once you open the door to these kinds of demands, there's potentially no end to the 'minority groups' of one sort of another who might field complaints (some of which may be far more legitimate than this).

Much like societies in the real world, in order to have Eorzea, people need to set aside their obsession with their special and unique identity (and its resultant demands on everyone else to yield before it) and compromise. We cannot have a game if it is needled to death by pearl-clutching crusaders.

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I agree. I mean at the end of the day, it hasnt even been released yet. if it was a job in from day one, and suddenly this came up... -may- have a point

but changes now are.. so what?

there are much bigger hills and issues to take a stand on, an icon change is hardly the end of the world or caving to 'minority groups' when its not even in the game yet

Why are people so afraid of the fact that the devs like to listen to the playerbase? Every time something like this happens there's always a group of people willing to go all "doom and gloom" because they're afraid of this setting some weird precedent or whatever. It's not like they deleted the whole job or something, literally just slightly altered the icon design because it was making some players uncomfortable. Like apart from them doing this out of concern and kindness, it's also rather smart from a business standpoint considering that they have merch with the icons on it. It's not good from a marketing/business standpoint if a design choice causes people to have negative reactions because then those people would just not buy the merch, and obviously SE wants them to. Based on the overreactions, it looks like quite a few people think that this is akin to holding the devs at gunpoint when it's actually in their best interest and results in good PR.

I like the change but they still left the hole on the one at the bottom haha. I would prefer if it was 4 of them next to each other without the holes; something like this [pppp]

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Originally Posted by SniperCT

I came here expecting compassion and empathy and boy was I wrong.

I for one applaud them. It's a little thing that you'd see everywhere in the menus and it's nice of them to be considerate of that. As others have said, it's a pretty easy change and isn't a slippery slope to 'omg they're removing everything scary'

This kind of thing isn't like... 'oh that's disgusting', it can trigger terrible reactions in people, like extreme negative physical reactions.

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I mean, this is the Forums afterall. Why expect any positives out of minor yet well-attentioned actions? Let's speculate about nonsense for hours on end and pretend that being cynical is an interesting personality trait.

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Originally Posted by SniperCT

I came here expecting compassion and empathy and boy was I wrong.

I for one applaud them. It's a little thing that you'd see everywhere in the menus and it's nice of them to be considerate of that. As others have said, it's a pretty easy change and isn't a slippery slope to 'omg they're removing everything scary'

This kind of thing isn't like... 'oh that's disgusting', it can trigger terrible reactions in people, like extreme negative physical reactions.

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I forgot I can't disagree with things on a forum made for discussion. I'm sorry.

Feelings aside. Long as they add in glamor and mount to Sage's very unique medical appearance.

https://media.istockphoto.com/illust...5549?s=612x612

https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca88...DADym51KxnuqH4

Cause you know, reasons.

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Originally Posted by Serenno

Why are people so afraid of the fact that the devs like to listen to the playerbase? Every time something like this happens there's always a group of people willing to go all "doom and gloom" because they're afraid of this setting some weird precedent or whatever. It's not like they deleted the whole job or something, literally just slightly altered the icon design because it was making some players uncomfortable. Like apart from them doing this out of concern and kindness, it's also rather smart from a business standpoint considering that they have merch with the icons on it. It's not good from a marketing/business standpoint if a design choice causes people to have negative reactions because then those people would just not buy the merch, and obviously SE wants them to. Based on the overreactions, it looks like quite a few people think that this is akin to holding the devs at gunpoint when it's actually in their best interest and results in good PR.

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Probably because they listen to the minority for many things and don’t listen or address major things that have been around for years.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

Probably because they listen to the minority for many things and don’t listen or address major things that have been around for years.

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For some things there's an easy fix. Most of the things that people have complained about for years don't have an easy fix. As much as I want to see certain changes, and despite the fact that I play a broken race (hrothgar) pretty often, I'm also realistic with my expectations.. Altering a job icon for an expansion that hasn't even been released yet is a pretty small workload, aka an easy fix.

Dislike both old and new, and I don't expect them to cater to any of my phobias so why should anyone else?

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

For some things there's an easy fix. Most of the things that people have complained about for years don't have an easy fix. As much as I want to see certain changes, and despite the fact that I play a broken race (hrothgar) pretty often, I'm also realistic with my expectations.. Altering a job icon for an expansion that hasn't even been released yet is a pretty small workload, aka an easy fix.

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I understand that. But little to no acknowledgement for something that’s been a problem for 6-8 years…that should be more than enough time for a fix. It’s just annoying to constantly see a vocal minority(usually on the likes of twitter) pandered to, when there’s a larger portion of people that are basically on mute and that SE doesn’t even acknowledge unless it benefits them.

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Originally Posted by Auryan

I mean, this is the Forums afterall. Why expect any positives out of minor yet well-attentioned actions? Let's speculate about nonsense for hours on end and pretend that being cynical is an interesting personality trait.

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In my experience, individuals with a healthy degree of critical thinking skills and a dose of scepticism are far more interesting and reliable than those who feel the need to mindlessly buy into every last little thing that a company does in the name of positive optics.

Speaking of interesting, though, despite this move supposedly not being a big deal and also a thread intended to collect feedback there's a rather troubling amount of individuals swift to launch personal attacks and indulge in character assassination of those who dare not fawn over a company for what is essentially an incredibly low effort move. Most people wouldn't even bat an eyelid if it just happened. Things change in development all the time, especially in an unfinished state. Yet the company chose to put out a statement and that statement is being critiqued.

Given what certain other corporations tied to the industry have been going through of late, I daresay it's even healthy to question the motives of those eager to show how tolerant and progressive they are. I think I'm losing count of the number of times such individuals and organisations turn out have some major skeletons within their closest! Let us hope it is not also the case with FFXIV, eh?

I don't personally believe it to be the case, though I'm also not going to go all out in launching blind support of anything and everything that happens 'just because'.

This is a pretty minor change that doesn't bother me. I never even really pay that much attention to class icons. Though, I feel its a bit strange they felt the need to announce such a minor change. Had this change went noticed by the player base on launch rather than being pointed out and giving the reason why there likely would've been a lot less fuss over it.

It looks like a firework. Meh, it's better than the old one.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I'm not a fan of the reasoning behind the change. It encourages more people to petition to remove things based on rather thin reasoning. There's plenty of things I dislike or feel disgust towards that I tolerate because I do not believe that every last little thing needs to be catered to me, specifically.

For example, I dislike the sight and texture of slugs and snails but I'm not going to ask for them to be removed from the game.

I'm getting worried about Endwalker. It's meant to the finale of the game's main established story arcs and a second coming of the apocalypse. Are we going to reach a point where barely anything can be 'upsetting'?

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This is essentially my stance on it. If you start attempting to cater to every single small issue that people have, with a player base of a million plus players, you are left with bland wet toast design decisions.

I preferred the previous design, but I understand that it affected some people and neither design affects me at all so I don't care about the icon outcome in the slightest.

I just don't think design decisions should be based on an extreme minority of the playerbase phobia, a phobia that is largely self diagnosed, self described and isn't an official disorder.

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There was nothing sacred about the original icon. If the old icon made players uncomfortable and the new icon doesn't, I'm all for it.

Yes, people (including many in this thread) have kneejerk opposition to anything done to make other people more comfortable - it's a sad state of affairs, but not one that should be particularly respected.

I think their reasoning is fine, but the new design is bad.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

I understand that. But little to no acknowledgement for something that’s been a problem for 6-8 years…that should be more than enough time for a fix. It’s just annoying to constantly see a vocal minority(usually on the likes of twitter) pandered to, when there’s a larger portion of people that are basically on mute and that SE doesn’t even acknowledge unless it benefits them.

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Constantly?
What are these constant pandering to the minority that SE has been doing? I must've missed them....

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Originally Posted by Fland

Constantly?
What are these constant pandering to the minority that SE has been doing? I must've missed them....

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Male viera,genderlock gear,now this

BRING IT BACK!
Oh no, not the Sage logo. I want Cleric Stance back.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

Male viera,genderlock gear,now this

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Men with animal ears and tattered jackets on women, now a minor change to an icon for a job that hasn’t been released yet? When will the madness end? How far will the Twitter SJWs push Yoship before he breaks?!

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Originally Posted by Caitlyn

I would prefer this version. Keep the symmetrical style, but fill the holes (because the holes were actually the problem).

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...6OX0AMp1Mh.png

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I prefer this as well. The new icon feels kinda cartoony, the poles look more like shooting stars than anything now... But ultimately it doesnt really matter to me I guess. The job icons are so tiny in game and I don't really go out and buy merch of the symbols so \o/
That said I don't like the reaper icon. It doesn't bother me in the vein of phobias or anything but imo its just unappealing compared to the other jobs.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

Male viera,genderlock gear,now this

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So, what's is actually immoral or distasteful about those? Since you deemed them as pandering.

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Originally Posted by ViolaLance

So, what's is actually immoral or distasteful about those? Since you deemed them as pandering.

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I guess ultimate, male miqo'te, female highlander, female roe, etc is also pandering according to him. But he's playing one of those races...

Oh, and masculine glamours are also pandering, since that only effects a small minority of players, apparently.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

Male viera,genderlock gear,now this

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?????????
Isn't that what a lot of the player base wanted though? There's an entire mega thread dedicated to exactly that. And I recall an uproar (Not even just from here) about Viera not having their male counterpart on release.

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Originally Posted by -JayJay-

?????????
Isn't that what a lot of the player base wanted though? There's an entire mega thread dedicated to exactly that. And I recall an uproar (Not even just from here) about Viera not having their male counterpart on release.

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Yes, but some people don't like how they ended up looking because they pandered to other people (Twitter apparently) rather than pandering to them.