FFXIV/WOW cross over event?

No.
It's the same reason why Overwatch's director is literally begging to add one of the OW characters to Smash Bros, for a popularity boost in exchange of nothing for Nintendo.
The only reason why WoW would like to have a crossover event with FFXIV would be to desperately attract a handful of subs from the FFXIV playerbase to theirs. FFXIV's gain would be nearly null since everyone who already played WoW and got tired with it are already playing FFXIV.

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Originally Posted by rance-sama

No.
It's the same reason why Overwatch's director is literally begging to add one of the OW characters to Smash Bros, for a popularity boost in exchange of nothing for Nintendo.
The only reason why WoW would like to have a crossover event with FFXIV would be to desperately attract a handful of subs from the FFXIV playerbase to theirs. FFXIV's gain would be nearly null since everyone who already played WoW and got tired with it are already playing FFXIV.

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That street hasn't been quite as one-way as you might think. Many of my old guildies I still speak to on Discord from time to time have taken in an influx of players who tried XIV as their first or second MMO but were disappointed (from reasons varying from poor leveling experience to little use of the open world to awkward tanking/healing paradigms, etc.) and since switched to WoW, be it retail or classic. But, yes, as it would be crossing over to here, WoW would be the one to receive the most benefit, and as they're less far willing to compromise identity in any way with crossovers (or really anything short of perhaps store mounts and bad plot twists?), I doubt it'd be reciprocated, which would make the chance of such a crossover almost null.

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Originally Posted by Granyala

Oh boy you are far too late for that one. WoW was (and probably still is) Mr. Yoshidas role model. You can see that FF-XIV basically plays like a carbon copy. In SE's defense: so do most modern MMOs because it's what the majority seems to expect.

Personally, I don't think a crossover event would make much sense.
Both games essentially play the same, there wouldn't be anything new to bring like in the Rathalos encounter.

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I can not remember that I was talking about gameplay.... So all the cars are the same because they have tyres and engines. I wonder why some prefer a Toyota over a Mazda then...? And all video games are the same because they have buttons to be pressed. All video game consoles are Atari clones! No?

I really dislike WoW because of it is a wanna-be of J.R.R Tolkien worlds. I am tired of dwarves with filthy beards swinging axes, ridiculously generic "Lich Kings" with glowing eyes from the box art covers (or Pandas), purple elves with 2 feet long ears and probably the most generic professions ever. "Rogue" anyone?
The gameplay aspect - if they are the same or not - does not matter in my case. It is about style. "Duke Nukem" could be the best shooter ever, but I hate the protagonist, so I do not play it. However, I like Maya from Borderlands 2, and many would go "Ewww, dat comic shooter" on reflex. Fine! But that is how I pick my games. And I do not want to have U.S. game influences here for obvious reasons. I like the aesthethics in here. When Shiva had her debut in the cutscenes, it was this typical JRPG look. WoW always tries to be Lord of The Rings.

You could argue about that, but if doubt you would pick the most hideous car even though it drives the best.

If WoW would be soooo great, how comes I am attraced to this game and spend hundreds of Euros here and exactly 0 Cents on Blizzard games?

I also dislike Yoshida a lot and also think he is not doing a good job since a couple of years, but that is just a side effect and has nothing to do about their relationships to other well-known developers.

When I boot up a game from such a great Franchise - and I talk about the "fantasy" Final Fantasy games, not the pseudo-realistic ones like X, XIII and XV - I expect it to stay true to itself. If you are an U.S. citizen and plant to have vacation in Germany, you would expect and eat at Bratwurst stands, not BurgerKings and KFCs.

Being different is nothing bad. Forcing in random stuff into other intellectual properties is most probably a decision by the suits, not by actual gamers by heart. Because both suit-wearing (usually non-gaming) executives do care about PR, no matter how the actual product is affected.

I'd love to bring back my DooM II event then. Kill the Cyberdemon. id Software has a cross over event with Square Enix because reasons:

https://imgur.com/BqYBmIH.png

Wouldn't that be cool?? It does not matter if it fits, right?! Because we love to butcher Final Fantasy IPs and more options are more fun and what you guys always say. id Software is also very well-known to the market, maybe some players join FFXIV or start to play DooM on the way....

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But you don't have to particpate in those events!

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Yeah, you are not at the neighbours party because you are not a party-goer, but still the music blasts over to your house and the drunk people make hell of a noise.

Or in other words: If there is a switch to turn that off, I would be fine.

Sincerely,
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Originally Posted by MrKusakabe

When I boot up a game from such a great Franchise - and I talk about the "fantasy" Final Fantasy games, not the pseudo-realistic ones like X, XIII and XV

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Well, you might want to run away right now then, to avoid seeing people with the Zanarkand outfit, the Sanctum outfit or the Regalia...or the Fenrir Bike, or the Slime Crown...or the Garo gear...or the Power Rangers emote...

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Originally Posted by MrKusakabe

Yeah, you are not at the neighbours party because you are not a party-goer, but still the music blasts over to your house and the drunk people make hell of a noise.

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Sure, because the FFXV event being restricted to one FATE in Thanalan and several solo instances was such thrown in your face that you couldn't avoid it every time you logged into the game.

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Originally Posted by Eli85

So, ESO really isn't that much different from WoW.

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Um...

ESO:
1. Universal scaling on everything. ALL content other than raids is scaled to what FFXIV would call 'expert'. A level 1 and a max level can adventure together.
2. Gear remains 'mostly' constant - but has 'sets' that matter and make the difference in endgame.
3. Infiniate 'champion points' means your character keeps expanding over time. There are hundreds of individual custom things to spend them on.
4. Class/Job is largely meaningless - you build your character based on what weapons you pick up, what things you try to do. You get skill points, you spend them as desired.
5. Combat is action based - not target based. You swing into an area - the first thing you hit gets hit, unless it's an AOE then anything in the spot you aim at is hit.
6. Tanking is... weird... no threat table. Just an instant zero cooldown 15-second duration taunt (provoke). To tank multiple mobs you spam your taunt around the room - hoping to hit the right things and not something you already taunted. Mitigation is... holding up a shield to block, then using heavy attacks to recharge.
7. Healing is... weird... you attack stuff to charge your resource, then spend it on healing abailities that are single or aoe or duo target. The single ones - you gotta 'hit-scan' aim that like it was Overwatch.
8. The factions are... meaningless. I can make a character of faction A, and go to the capital of Faction B and grab a quest from their military general to attack my own side... It only matters when you enter PvP.
9. Racial stats are EXTREMELY VITAL. Even after the patch to make them non-vital, they're still about 20% of your effectiveness...
10. Crafting is highly customizable - you research new traits. Butonce you have them it's just 'click this button to craft that item'

WoW:
1. Scaling is highly limited. Outside of current expac it's in brackets by 'these couple expansions' but in dungeons it's not there.
2. The classes make ALL the difference. You gain abilities as you level like in FFXIV. You can't just randomly pick up a staff or do a quest and gain fireball spells like in ESO. You can't just hit a key and stealth, and then improve it because you want to - these things are locked at level 1.
3. There is minor tweaking with a small number of talents.
4. Gear is everything.
5. Factions cannot even talk to each other without using exploits (I think the pandas might be an exception).
6. Racial stats are... about as important as they are in FFXIV.
7. Tanking is all about having massive AoE threat. You walk in, hit one AoE, and have the whole room locked down. Like well, FFXIV 5.0
8. Raid tanking has no MT or OT - it's a tank swap every X-seconds after a tankbuster.
9. Healers only attack to kill time or get small buffs outside of a few classes that... are the exact opposite of that and mostly heal by attacking.
10. Combat is tab-targeted like in FFXIV.
11. There is no class/job switching like FFXIV.
12. You craft the recipes your skill in a profession has unlocked, or that you found as drops from mobs. No researching and no crafting 'game' like FFXIV.

- These two games are polar opposites. FFXIV sits very close to the WoW spectrum of that range.

A Crossover Event with WoW? Nah, no interest.

I honestly would welcome it. It won't hurt SE or Blizzard as both group of players are playing the games for different reasons; and if you don't like it, then just ignore it.

I have no idea how it will work unless Eorzea is somehow part of the pocket realm, though, which probably wouldn't be a good idea.

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Originally Posted by splinter1545

I have no idea how it will work unless Eorzea is somehow part of the pocket realm, though, which probably wouldn't be a good idea.

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If it's a regular crossover, then it's not canon, so it doesn't matter.

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Originally Posted by Kobalos

Frostmourne DRK

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omg yes please

More cross over means more glamour!

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Originally Posted by MrKusakabe

I really dislike WoW because of it is a wanna-be of J.R.R Tolkien worlds. I am tired of dwarves with filthy beards swinging axes, ridiculously generic "Lich Kings" with glowing eyes from the box art covers (or Pandas), purple elves with 2 feet long ears and probably the most generic professions ever. "Rogue" anyone?

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Anime characters are way better?, or lalafells... dude, at least gnomes have some personality.

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Originally Posted by Kobalos

So after seeing Blizzard send Yoshi a gift to congratulate him for the release of SHB I think a cross over event would be rather awesome.

Things like a Shadow minion or Frostmourne DRK weapon could make good event items
(Orc barding anyone?)

Thoughts?

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Cross events have always involved licenses related to Final Fantasy or Japanese; This time Nier Automata, but we must remember that it is also distributed by SE, same publisher, the contact is easy.

MHW is made by Capcom, but it is a Japanese company. Garo a Japanese TV series.


WoW is not Japanese in addition to being a competing game. Nobody will think about doing a collaboration with his competitor, except for major commercial and financial interest for both parties.

the Garo cross event is an ad for the TV series - MHW, FFXV, Dragon Quest, etc. This is to bring people from the community of these games on FFXIV, it is consistent with their new player recruitment campaign because without new player the MMO will eventually die.

Do you really think that SE wants players to leave FFXIV for WoW or the opposite? An MMO is a time-consuming game it is not possible to invest fully for two MMOs.

it will not happen.

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Originally Posted by Hash_Browns

Why do you have to hate WoW because you play FFXIV?

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That's ridiculous! Preposterous! my hatred of WoW has nothing to do with fact that I play FFXIV!

not against a crossover, might be fun.

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Originally Posted by linay

If it's a regular crossover, then it's not canon, so it doesn't matter.

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"if it's in the game, it's in the game". You can't say the game isn't canon to itself.

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Originally Posted by MsQi

"if it's in the game, it's in the game". You can't say the game isn't canon to itself.

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The game has storylines. If the other storylines are not affected by it, then it doesn't matter if it's in the game. It's there for your enjoyment, not to add to the canon lore.

I'd be all for this, if any company can accurately represent the batshit insanity of Warcraft other than Blizzard - it's square.

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Originally Posted by Kobalos

So after seeing Blizzard send Yoshi a gift to congratulate him for the release of SHB I think a cross over event would be rather awesome.

Things like a Shadow minion or Frostmourne DRK weapon could make good event items
(Orc barding anyone?)

Thoughts?

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Nope. NOPE NOPE! Keep your WoW out of my FF thank you.

It wont happen for one reason: Blizzard NEVER does thing with competitors, no matter how much it may benefit them. Their new willingness to do things with other companies is new and seems to be mostly for ad revenue for their dying esport they forced onto Overwatch.

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Originally Posted by linay

The game has storylines. If the other storylines are not affected by it, then it doesn't matter if it's in the game. It's there for your enjoyment, not to add to the canon lore.

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The game is there for enjoyment. If my character experienced it, it happened. Lore and canon are flexible, and different for each WOL/D. It's like a multiverse.

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Originally Posted by Omymy

Anime characters are way better?, or lalafells... dude, at least gnomes have some personality.

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Yes, to me they are better, hence I am here and not in World of Tolkien. I know you are here only to cause mad beef a lot as seen in the Lalafell thread, but don't you think it's weird to be in a Japanese game with "anime characters" and ask if people like them more?

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Originally Posted by Lily_Skye

you are a lalafell, your opinion doesn't matter

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Ironically, it matters more than you think considered this is the game's official forums and thus basically the reason to post as Lalafell.


You WoW people are really run rampage latey, aren't you? WoW isn't as good I guess or why don't you play that intead of bothering people in the other franchise..?

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Originally Posted by MsQi

The game is there for enjoyment. If my character experienced it, it happened. Lore and canon are flexible, and different for each WOL/D. It's like a multiverse.

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Then why are you arguing with me in the first place if that's how you think? Enjoy your headcanon.

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Originally Posted by MrKusakabe

Yes, to me they are better, hence I am here and not in World of Tolkien. I know you are here only to cause mad beef a lot as seen in the Lalafell thread, but don't you think it's weird to be in a Japanese game with "anime characters" and ask if people like them more?



Ironically, it matters more than you think considered this is the game's official forums and thus basically the reason to post as Lalafell.


You WoW people are really run rampage latey, aren't you? WoW isn't as good I guess or why don't you play that intead of bothering people in the other franchise..?

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Speaking as someone who plays both games, and this isn't to strike at you, but I really have to contest your happenstance to liken the world of Azeroth to the works of Tolkien. Blizzard's writing is more like an insane fever dream that's ripping from Warhammer than it is Tolkien's work.

no wouldnt work

I like how some that were "Lore can be changed. Why are you against more playable options for other players if it doesn't affect you. Immersion is long lost in the game so it's not an excuse" when it came to male Viera, but are now throwing all these reasonings out of the window when it came to a game they hate.

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Originally Posted by Videra

Speaking as someone who plays both games, and this isn't to strike at you, but I really have to contest your happenstance to liken the world of Azeroth to the works of Tolkien. Blizzard's writing is more like an insane fever dream that's ripping from Warhammer than it is Tolkien's work.

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I have to agree here. The comparison to Warhammer is apt, considering Warcraft was originally supposed to be a Warhammer campaign. It was rejected and the rest is history.

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Originally Posted by linay

Then why are you arguing with me in the first place if that's how you think? Enjoy your headcanon.

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Head canon would be stuff that doesn't actually happen within the fictional context.

Games have to have flexible canon, because you have choices. Did the WoL become a Black mage or not? There is no absolute there. You are the WOL in your universe where I am just another adventurer. and vice versa.

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Originally Posted by MsQi

Head canon would be stuff that doesn't actually happen within the fictional context.

Games have to have flexible canon, because you have choices. Did the WoL become a Black mage or not? There is no absolute there. You are the WOL in your universe where I am just another adventurer. and vice versa.

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Yes, "flexible" canon exists for gameplay reason, but that doesn't mean everything in the game is canon. There are optional contents that affect the MSQ or add to the lore of the world of Eorzea and there are other contents that don't.

Pass.

Blizzard supports Human Rights violations, so I'd rather SE didn't involve themselves with them.

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Originally Posted by Rowde

Pass.

Blizzard supports Human Rights violations, so I'd rather SE didn't involve themselves with them.

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I have to agree with this in light of recent events.

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Originally Posted by linay

Yes, "flexible" canon exists for gameplay reason, but that doesn't mean everything in the game is canon. There are optional contents that affect the MSQ or add to the lore of the world of Eorzea and there are other contents that don't.

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The MSQ is not the only canon. Everything in the game your character can do is potentially canon in that that is is something that they could potentially experience. They are things that could potentially happen in the world and could potentially be part of the rich history of the world. There is more to any world than a single story line

The last thing Square needs to do is toss themselves into the hole Blizzard is literally digging to China.

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Originally Posted by ElazulHP

The last thing Square needs to do is toss themselves into the hole Blizzard is literally digging to China.

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On this I can agree. SE does business with China, obviously, but if they've gone full Blizzard then they are good at hiding it. And I'd rather not know right now. Ignorance is bliss. Guessing since this issue isn't going away though that we've only really seen the tip of the iceberg. The entire thing caught fire faster and stronger than I could have ever anticipated. It is on the international stage now and has moved far beyond "this gaming company did x to get more money". More than a few gaming companies have been visibly trembling the last few days and trying to keep their heads down.

I don't like the look of WoW game characters it is why I never bothered to try the game. I prefer the Asian game character aesthetics of doll-like looks. I have a weeb-like sense of beauty.

I prefer to keep the cross over events related to Asian games if possible. Not to mention license issues would be easier to deal with if they kept it within Japanese games.

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Originally Posted by MsQi

The MSQ is not the only canon.

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I didn't say otherwise.

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Everything in the game your character can do is potentially canon in that that is is something that they could potentially experience. They are things that could potentially happen in the world and could potentially be part of the rich history of the world. There is more to any world than a single story line

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Potentially canon is not canon. Canon is what the storywriters have to take account of when they make new stories moving forward. Any crossover event with WoW is not something the storywriters going to have to take account of in future story unless the collaboration is at the level of Nier's.

After the Hong Kong Blizzard Ordeal; why would SE dirty their name with Blizzard? I mean, they're like a 3-4 hour plane ride from China, To close to the drama and to much to lose to do anything except nothing.

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Originally Posted by Kuro_Mao

After the Hong Kong Blizzard Ordeal; why would SE dirty their name with Blizzard? I mean, they're like a 3-4 hour plane ride from China, To close to the drama and to much to lose to do anything except nothing.

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Not that I'm disagreeing that right now isn't that great of a time anymore but what's the distance have to do with it? I'm not sure if that means much on the international stage so it's a sincere question, don't read sarcasm lol. If anything I was thinking it would make more sense for a Japanese company to thumb their nose at China :p, not that it would be particularly SE since they've already invested FFXIV into China but in a general sense "company x nation y" due to rocky relations of that area.

Before a cross over would be cute, weird, and mostly a romantic relation between devs (Yoshida visits WoW devs / vice versa) but at this point its like "don't touch the fire, it's contagious" XD.

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Originally Posted by linay

Potentially canon is not canon. Canon is what the storywriters have to take account of when they make new stories moving forward. Any crossover event with WoW is not something the storywriters going to have to take account of in future story unless the collaboration is at the level of Nier's.

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Well I dont think thats quite right...

Potentially canon is a bit vague as it were, but Hildebrand is cannon. If you choose not to do that quest line, then its whatever, but if you do, it is a 'canon' event from what I understand. Cross over events are a little more complicated though. Most are meta cross overs that cant function within FFXIV. Like Monster Hunter World Cross Over wouldnt be 'canon' to the lore simple because its more meta than lets say the Nier raids, which will more or less be crafted in such a fashion to make them a 'logical' part of the FFXIV story.

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Originally Posted by Kuro_Mao

After the Hong Kong Blizzard Ordeal; why would SE dirty their name with Blizzard?

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Distance aside, Im 100% sure top brass at SE has already sent company wide emails telling devs and workers to under no circumstances comment on the situation in HK due to business reasons. I dont blame em either - looking at a lot of the american companies starting to get a huge load of flak for censoring anything that might be related to the HK protests is probably making it worthwhile to comment on it. Not that the situation with companies like Blizzard isnt warrented though.

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Originally Posted by Melichoir

Well I dont think thats quite right...

Potentially canon is a bit vague as it were, but Hildebrand is cannon. If you choose not to do that quest line, then its whatever, but if you do, it is a 'canon' event from what I understand. Cross over events are a little more complicated though. Most are meta cross overs that cant function within FFXIV. Like Monster Hunter World Cross Over wouldnt be 'canon' to the lore simple because its more meta than lets say the Nier raids, which will more or less be crafted in such a fashion to make them a 'logical' part of the FFXIV story.

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Hildibrand is not a crossover event, so there's no reason to think it's not canon unless otherwise stated. The opposite is true when it's a collaboration with another game (or anything not original to FFXIV where they point out it's a collaboration). Unless they make it a big deal like the Nier collaboration, then there's no reason to think it's canon unless otherwise stated.

I was saying potential canon is not canon in the way that MsQi used the term to mean anything you can do in the game.

Sorry for delay work has been blowing up. "Distance" as in business. Even if we only get their glamours in limited numbers after a long time, I'd hate to see a reason for that to slow down.