Don't like Blue Mage? Here is how to convince SE to change it...

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Originally Posted by jon041065

"Here's not the thing you wanted. What's that, you're not happy? Okay here's something you don't want. All better now?"

There being more jobs to come wont remedy the issue of blu not being a full job for a lot of us.

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But people did want "different things" and people did want a Blue Mage class that would actually feel like a Blue Mage, as far as I recall. That some people want to raid as well doesn't mean that the current Blue Mage idea is something no one wanted, I think. This is just a case of not being able to please everyone.

So instead of, "Don't like Blue Mage? Here is how to convince SE to change it..." How about, "Like Blue Mage, let's convince SE to keep it as is..." which gets my vote. :)

Level 50 cap is one of the reasons people are mad about the limited job concept imo (duty finder too but i could live with that if i was a max level at the very least)
We want to play new content and not run around the black shroud again.
I could live with blu being a solo job (and joining premade groups knowing im not an optimal job) if i could do all the solo content in this game.
Hunts, Treasure maps, Deep Dungeon, Eureka (abd its equivelant in 5.0) are all suited for solo play, but i cant do most of that as BLU. Yes there are hunts and treasure maps in 2.0 areas but thats not enough

With lvl50 max, you cant simply do the MSQ as BLU... just the MSQ, with nothing to really fight in openworld (oh no, a pack of 4 ennemies with 1 health point each ! ) and where solo duties are so easy that a broken job wouldnt change a lot this (and... if the job is broken in solocontent, would be a solution for those thinking some soloduties are too hard :-° )

for this i cant even consider BLU as "solo-job" because he is extremly limited in solo things... ... just a side content you can use for RP

I am not really feeling the whole "limited class" is going to be a good thing.

And for Blue Mage in general, I feel it's more of a timesink than actual content. Going out to kill all the mobs to learn all the skills, and trying to solo some trials.


But at the same time, as FF XIV is now, if Blue Mage was made into just a regular class, I don't think it would work for it to learn skills from enemies and it'd just be another caster DPS not doing anything special.

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Originally Posted by Aerlana

With lvl50 max, you cant simply do the MSQ as BLU...

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That is probably the worst part for me. I really love the story in this game, and it would have been really fun to go through it as BLU, which is one of my favorite FF classes.

I don't know why everyone else is only thinking about raiding on BLU...

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Originally Posted by Clover_Blake

But people did want "different things" and people did want a Blue Mage class that would actually feel like a Blue Mage, as far as I recall. That some people want to raid as well doesn't mean that the current Blue Mage idea is something no one wanted, I think. This is just a case of not being able to please everyone.

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But wanting different things does not mean that those different things are always going to be good or free from criticism. And honestly I dont remember a single person on this forum that have wanted a solo Blue mage job. Yoshida might have stated that it would be hard to implement but people just mostly either hoped that they would still find a way without completely taking away the identity of the job or maybe knew that it might never come.

Its just solo content (or a mini game) that probably will be done quite fast and then what? Do fates with it all the time? Clear the blue mage duty (which is a good idea) again and again forever? Other jobs dont need new content spezifically made for them to keep them relevant. Blue mage will need updates and more content for it to keep it interesting otherwise it wont have long to live. And is all that worth is? Couldnt they have balanced it for duty by locking certain abilites for it and still give it the unique duty on top of that? This way we would have had a job that can be used everywhere but also something new to test out with the collection of more spells, and the duty.

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Originally Posted by Alleo

Other jobs dont need new content spezifically made for them to keep them relevant.

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On the other hand, new jobs don't make existing content new. Running Omega 1 to 12 as a BLU would be the same as running them as any other caster, and as predictable in any other role.

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Originally Posted by Alleo

Couldnt they have balanced it for duty by locking certain abilites for it and still give it the unique duty on top of that?

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Funny, because before BLU was announced, people were at peace with the idea that creating a new job mid-expansion was too much of a burden. Now that they did it, it seems okay to feel disappointed because they couldn't do more.

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Originally Posted by Alleo

Yoshida might have stated that it would be hard to implement but people just mostly either hoped that they would still find a way without completely taking away the identity of the job or maybe knew that it might never come.

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Is that actually possible though?
There's the fact that Blue Mage needs to learn skills from monsters, versus every other class that are given the skills automatically. This means that, as Yoshida said, many Blue Mages would be harassed for not having gotten this or that skill already. This is a real problem that can't simply be ignored.
There's also the fact that the skills a Blue Mage could learn would have to be very limited and very nerfed, and then I'm sure that a part of the community would have complained that this doesn't feel like a Blue Mage at all.

The current limitations play in favour of more freedom in that regard. Now Blue Mage can collect tons of skills and do things that no other class can even dream of doing. And apparently this maintains the essence of the class, unlike what it could have become had it been a regular one. Shouldn't it be given at least a chance? Maybe raiders, apart from enjoying raiding in general, will also enjoy the Blue Mage game as well.

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Originally Posted by Clover_Blake

But people did want "different things" and people did want a Blue Mage class that would actually feel like a Blue Mage, as far as I recall. That some people want to raid as well doesn't mean that the current Blue Mage idea is something no one wanted, I think. This is just a case of not being able to please everyone.

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I was referring to the idea that people that wanted to main blu should just accept one of the current or upcoming jobs instead to make up for not getting to main blu.

SOME wanted this version of FFV blu. SOME like myself wanted FFXIV blu like how they have done with every job already. I think they should do both versions and just have a separate job crystal for each. Most on my side have said they are fine with waiting even if it something for the 6.0 expac.

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Originally Posted by Clover_Blake

Is that actually possible though?
There's the fact that Blue Mage needs to learn skills from monsters, versus every other class that are given the skills automatically. This means that, as Yoshida said, many Blue Mages would be harassed for not having gotten this or that skill already. This is a real problem that can't simply be ignored.
There's also the fact that the skills a Blue Mage could learn would have to be very limited and very nerfed, and then I'm sure that a part of the community would have complained that this doesn't feel like a Blue Mage at all.

The current limitations play in favour of more freedom in that regard. Now Blue Mage can collect tons of skills and do things that no other class can even dream of doing. And apparently this maintains the essence of the class, unlike what it could have become had it been a regular one. Shouldn't it be given at least a chance? Maybe raiders, apart from enjoying raiding in general, will also enjoy the Blue Mage game as well.

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I'm totally against SE trying to regulate player interaction like this. They should only be doing that for ToS violations. What they have basically done is kicked the blu player instead of letting it be up to the group. And why is this not acceptable but vote kicking for a lot of other reasons is? Should they just remove vote to kick?

They could have handled that issue a lot better. Make achievements that unlock DF as you learn spells. "Learn all level 21-25 spells" achievement and there you unlocked lvl 21-25 DF content. Could have made the Carnival completion a thing to unlock the job for the full game.

Yes, some of the community would have complained about a "watered down" version of Blu. Would it have been more or equal to the backlash there is now? Who knows for sure but there is a middle ground that would most likely result in an increase of happy players compared to how many there are now. I think the best solution to this is two job crystals for two different style of blue mages/limited jobs. I could wait for 6.0 for my "XIV blu" job crystal and a lot of others have stated the same.

We got Blue Mage in this way due to people insistently complaining about "nothing new/ same old same old" content. We asked for this, simply put many got what they wanted, just not the way wanted it.

To those leaving the game over it's implementation...
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Originally Posted by Clover_Blake

Is that actually possible though?
There's the fact that Blue Mage needs to learn skills from monsters, versus every other class that are given the skills automatically. This means that, as Yoshida said, many Blue Mages would be harassed for not having gotten this or that skill already. This is a real problem that can't simply be ignored.
There's also the fact that the skills a Blue Mage could learn would have to be very limited and very nerfed, and then I'm sure that a part of the community would have complained that this doesn't feel like a Blue Mage at all.

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Simple solution: First dont let Blue mages into content if they dont have certain skills. People cant go into duties if they lack ilvl so why not the same with skills? Heck their release of this job in 4.5 could have been a great way to say: We want you to have time to gather all the necessary skills before the expansion.

How do you know the necessary skills? Well have a window like the one in PVP that has the PVP skills in it thus people can see what they need to get. As soon as they have each skill they unlock the duties and just like PVP all the skills will be on the hotbar when you go into a dungeon or other instance. This way certain overpowered skills wont be able to be used and people that want to still queue up can do it. All the other time its still overpowered and the same like its now for solo content. Win win for everyone.

Thats something I thought off in a few minutes, SE had years since that question to make it work.

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

On the other hand, new jobs don't make existing content new. Running Omega 1 to 12 as a BLU would be the same as running them as any other caster, and as predictable in any other role.

Funny, because before BLU was announced, people were at peace with the idea that creating a new job mid-expansion was too much of a burden. Now that they did it, it seems okay to feel disappointed because they couldn't do more.

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No but they give people a choice in which job to use for content. Blue mage gives none of those choices and on top of that can only run in really outdated content. I mean its probably really fun to beat up Garuda HM with it, or run another instance that you have already done x amount of times. At least with it being a normal job you could have taken it to new content too. Eureka, PotD and who knows what is coming in Shadowbringers wont be doable with at all. So I just dont see how this job will be fun for a long time.

SE did not have to release this job at the end of the old expansion. They could have taken their time to release it in Shadowbringers.

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Originally Posted by Alacran

We got Blue Mage in this way due to people insistently complaining about "nothing new/ same old same old" content. We asked for this, simply put many got what they wanted, just not the way wanted it.

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So complaining about no new and innovative content that is also long living means that its fine that they created a job as content?

If I want bananas and they give me apples that they have colored yellow, that does not mean that I have to be happy about it and stop complaining..

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Originally Posted by Alleo

Simple solution: First dont let Blue mages into content if they dont have certain skills. People cant go into duties if they lack ilvl so why not the same with skills?

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It won't change anyting. What the game requires is different than what the players require. Basically, if people thinks you're a burden at minlvl, they'll kick you. For BLU, if they think that a particular skill is necessary even though the game doesn't require it, they could kick you. So the only solution is to require all skills, which remove the freedom of chosing them.

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Originally Posted by Alleo

No but they give people a choice in which job to use for content. Blue mage gives none of those choices and on top of that can only run in really outdated content.

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That's the thing, BLU does not simply run outdated content. BLU is content. Leveling BLU, farming actions and playing it in Masked Carnival will keep people playing.

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Originally Posted by Alleo

Eureka, PotD and who knows what is coming in Shadowbringers wont be doable with at all.

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You don't know what content will be available to BLU in SH. For now, you can only safely assume that a 3rd Deep Dungeon and the next installement of PvP won't be. As a matter of fact, you should be able to be a BLU in Eureka, considering there's no matchmaking and that, once inside, you can freely change job. So, let's say BLU has some spells that don't scale on their stats (Demi spells, Reraise, or things like that....) it could be really powerful even at lvl 50.

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Originally Posted by Alleo

SE did not have to release this job at the end of the old expansion. They could have taken their time to release it in Shadowbringers.

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For me, it's a smart move because this will reduce the dry of content between the last major patch and the next expansion. Or at least, it will do a much better job at keeping people playing than Diadem 2.0 did :p

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

It won't change anyting. What the game requires is different than what the players require. Basically, if people thinks you're a burden at minlvl, they'll kick you. For BLU, if they think that a particular skill is necessary even though the game doesn't require it, they could kick you. So the only solution is to require all skills, which remove the freedom of chosing them.

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It can change things. "Must have all spells 1-40" requirement to queue up for things in that level range means that people couldn't complain about you not having a spell. Unless it's like a situation where the spell can be learned at level 40 and you're in a Cutter's Cry run as a lvl 39. That sounds rather dumb to still have the restriction just for things like that.

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

That's the thing, BLU does not simply run outdated content. BLU is content. Leveling BLU, farming actions and playing it in Masked Carnival will keep people playing.

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Pissing people off by turning a highly requested job into something tied to side content doesn't get them all playing. By the way, a highly requested job being added as a job gets people playing.

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

For me, it's a smart move because this will reduce the dry of content between the last major patch and the next expansion. Or at least, it will do a much better job at keeping people playing than Diadem 2.0 did

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Yes, keep some players playing till the next patch/expac while pissing off people that they turned the job they wanted to main into a "limited job" tied to filler content. Sounds almost too productive if you ask me. /s

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Originally Posted by jon041065

It can change things. "Must have all spells 1-40" requirement to queue up for things in that level range means that people couldn't complain about you not having a spell.

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As far as we know, BLU won't have levels tied to their spells. And even then, if a lvl50 monster teach you a powerful spell that you could set at any level (Like how role actions work, for example), people will complain that you don't have it.

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Originally Posted by jon041065

By the way, a highly requested job being added as a job gets people playing.

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Considering 1) it never happened during a dry period and 2) no new job started at level one since Ninja, you can't really judge if it would have been more useful to keep people interested. I'll speak for myself but I'm more interested in a lvl1 job with its unique leveling method and specific content than simply another lvl50 job to run content I already run with in any role with another lvl70 job.

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Originally Posted by jon041065

Yes, keep some players playing till the next patch/expac while pissing off people that they turned the job they wanted to main into a "limited job" tied to filler content.

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People are pissed by their own assumptions of how BLU will end in the future even before it's released, while still complaining that every content is always the same and nothing new comes in the game. And they'd probably be pissed if BLU was shoehorned into simply another caster DPS with nothing to really make it stand of. At some point, if you can't please everyone, you just make what you think is innovative and fun.

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

People are pissed by their own assumptions of how BLU will end in the future even before it's released, while still complaining that every content is always the same and nothing new comes in the game. And they'd probably be pissed if BLU was shoehorned into simply another caster DPS with nothing to really make it stand of. At some point, if you can't please everyone, you just make what you think is innovative and fun.

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Basically this.

Also, I think Blue Mage has a lot of room for future updates, since it'll keep getting new skills and new challenges as its level raises. 48 (49?) skills are already a lot to digest to start with! I hope that people who are disappointed will at least give it a try, and see if the challenge that Blue Mage poses is entertaining to them.

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

People are pissed by their own assumptions of how BLU will end in the future even before it's released, while still complaining that every content is always the same and nothing new comes in the game. And they'd probably be pissed if BLU was shoehorned into simply another caster DPS with nothing to really make it stand of. At some point, if you can't please everyone, you just make what you think is innovative and fun.

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'Pissed by their own assumptions of BLU'

You would have been an idiot and a fool for thinking BLU would have been any different to the other jobs prior to the announcement. People have every right to be mad about their favorite job not being added to the game properly like every single job before them. Those expectations were perfectly reasonable. Truly, it's the bare minimum one could have for expectations. And they still failed to deliver.

You can't please everyone, but more people would have been happy with a proper job, full stop. 5 year old content is neither 'fun' nor 'innovative'. The only new thing we're getting is the damn carnival, and there's no way in the world that content could ever make up for neutering BLU and making it a dead end job.

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Originally Posted by Skyskip

You would have been an idiot and a fool for thinking BLU would have been any different to the other jobs prior to the announcement.

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Which is exactly why lots of people already accepted that BLU couldn't be included in the game while satying faithful to its roots.

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Originally Posted by Skyskip

Those expectations were perfectly reasonable.

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You misunderstand what I meant by "their assumption". You see people pissed because BLU won't ever be allowed to raid, even though nothing was said about that. They don't know when the level cap will be raised but they're pissed that it won't be level 80 before at least another expansion. Again, this is based on nothing.

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Originally Posted by Skyskip

You can't please everyone, but more people would have been happy with a proper job, full stop.

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That, I really doubt. Remove the learning part and the truly hybrid possibilities, and you just don't have a Blue Mage.

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Originally Posted by Skyskip

5 year old content is neither 'fun' nor 'innovative'.

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Even less innovative or fun is "running the same content you already do only with another caster DPS"

first off, if blue was truly so utterly unbalanced theyd destroy the game balance... they wouldnt let them in pf AT ALL. PERIOD. that being said, i understand their want to start this out at 50 in case they missed a combination in testing that causes issues with the game at large (like if you could mitigate/heal lb3 through ifrits enrage but that caused a bug where ifrits ai stopped but the invulnerability effect on him didnt wear off, or missed a decimal point on a certain void ice spell causing instadeath for those who messed up the mech)

i will play blum, i will give good feedback, and i think with enough good feedback and data they can allay their fears about blum being a detriment on the endgame, and work toward removing that restriction. this wont happen however, if they see a ton of people ignoring blue mage or a ton of negative feedback like with diadem (in some cases the negative feedback is a plus, it likely helped them realize pagos was a swing too far into the oldschool grind for a grind for a grind for a grind that doesnt respect your time) they might drop the system going forward. i have some reservations about how itll feel in play, but im hoping they have it implemented in such a way as to reward players experimenting with different abilities in combination and risky strats

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

Which is exactly why lots of people already accepted that BLU couldn't be included in the game while satying faithful to its roots.

You misunderstand what I meant by "their assumption". You see people pissed because BLU won't ever be allowed to raid, even though nothing was said about that. They don't know when the level cap will be raised but they're pissed that it won't be level 80 before at least another expansion. Again, this is based on nothing.

That, I really doubt. Remove the learning part and the truly hybrid possibilities, and you just don't have a Blue Mage.

Even less innovative or fun is "running the same content you already do only with another caster DPS"

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A lot of people had faith that the developers were competent enough to figure it out. But I would surely prefer BLU never be added to the game over this sad freakshow of a job it's been relegated to. At least then this waste of development time could have been used to make a real job. Or improve the expansion at all.

There was absolutely something said about BLU not being allowed to raid. Did you not pay attention during the panel? Yoshi P specifically used a terrible example of Death 5 being able to one-shot bosses in current content, seemingly forgetting that the developers are the ones in control of class balance and could, you know, make that not be the case. As it currently stands they are designing BLU to be incompatible with future group content, hence it being billed as a 'solo' job. If they are content to leave BLU an un-tuned mess, then do you really think it will be allowed in raid content? So yes, it's very much based in reality.

What 'hybrid possibilities' are there in grinding trash? BLU is not just it's FFXI incarnation. Besides, BLU learning it's abilities has no bearing on whether or not it can be balanced for all content. It's simply a slightly different way to level, but that part of BLU is a temporary venture at best. Eventually you will learn all your abilities. BLU has to be more than simply learning shit, and being relegated to coliseum matches and old stompable content on older jobs is not worth all the effort one has to put into grinding RNG abilities.

Gee, let's compare. BLU who can only access old content + a gladiator arena or a BLU who is designed properly and can access all new content going forward in every future expansion at the time of release? BLU as it is now is a novelty that will wear thin within a month. Being able to play the rest of the new content as it comes out will always be more fun than being relegated to the circus.

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Originally Posted by Skyskip

Gee, let's compare. BLU who can only access old content + a gladiator arena or a BLU who is designed properly and can access all new content going forward in every future expansion at the time of release? BLU as it is now is a novelty that will wear thin within a month. Being able to play the rest of the new content as it comes out will always be more fun than being relegated to the circus.

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This is only true if you ever had any intention of maining blue mage, which 93-95% of the population does not assuming it adhered to the typical population spread.

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

As far as we know, BLU won't have levels tied to their spells. And even then, if a lvl50 monster teach you a powerful spell that you could set at any level (Like how role actions work, for example), people will complain that you don't have it.

Considering 1) it never happened during a dry period and 2) no new job started at level one since Ninja, you can't really judge if it would have been more useful to keep people interested. I'll speak for myself but I'm more interested in a lvl1 job with its unique leveling method and specific content than simply another lvl50 job to run content I already run with in any role with another lvl70 job.

People are pissed by their own assumptions of how BLU will end in the future even before it's released, while still complaining that every content is always the same and nothing new comes in the game. And they'd probably be pissed if BLU was shoehorned into simply another caster DPS with nothing to really make it stand of. At some point, if you can't please everyone, you just make what you think is innovative and fun.

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We don't know if spells will have a level requirement to learn but it's definitely possible. Your lvl 50 spell example could happen but should we remove vote kick now? That's not a lot different than other reasons people get kicked.

Blu could be done as a "XIV job" and still start at level 1 and have the same learning method. Then introduce some requirements to use the DF instead of locking them out of matchmaking.

We keep seeing things long the lines of "don't attack the idea until you've experienced it" and "we don't know how it will be in the future". If it's going to be a full job and they came out and said that's what they are eventually working towards that goal then the backlash would go away so fast. But if that's not the case and then plan on keeping it "not suited for group play" then tell me what could possibly happen with the job to make the limited concept better for people like me who wanted to main it in the FULL game.

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Originally Posted by Clover_Blake

Basically this.

Also, I think Blue Mage has a lot of room for future updates, since it'll keep getting new skills and new challenges as its level raises. 48 (49?) skills are already a lot to digest to start with! I hope that people who are disappointed will at least give it a try, and see if the challenge that Blue Mage poses is entertaining to them.

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There have been a lot saying they will boycott the job or are unsubbing because of this. I was already unsubbed due to my static falling apart and issues with my MS but was ready to come back until that live letter.

Blu could be a lot of fun and the content looks fun. Still won't make up for it not being functional in the FULL game where we can do current content with friends.

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Originally Posted by Arkdra

This is only true if you ever had any intention of maining blue mage, which 93-95% of the population does not assuming it adhered to the typical population spread.

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This based on...what, exactly? Does that mean you also think all further jobs should be relegated to golden saucer-esque minigames like BLU? How much player engagement goes into chocobo races and triple triad?

Just because someone isn't maining BLU now doesn't mean they wouldn't want to focus on it in the future. With it's current build you don't even get that option.

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Originally Posted by Skyskip

This based on...what, exactly? Does that mean you also think all further jobs should be relegated to golden saucer-esque minigames like BLU? How much player engagement goes into chocobo races and triple triad?

Just because someone isn't maining BLU now doesn't mean they wouldn't want to focus on it in the future. With it's current build you don't even get that option.

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Yes actually. I would much prefer they don't ever add another full job to this game and instead focus on the ones that are already in the game so that maybe some jobs stop slipping through the cracks for entire expansions or several patch cycles all the time. Also people maining blu in the future has no relevance to their overall demographic occupation. Just as many people will stop maining blu.

But, "This time the pld quest isn't boring trash." or, "We finally managed to balance healers" or, "We've finally managed to shake nin, drg, sch and warrior out of their 5 year long dominance in the raid meta." don't move boxes like a new job.

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Originally Posted by Arkdra

Yes actually. I would much prefer they don't ever add another full job to this game and instead focus on the ones that are already in the game so that maybe some jobs stop slipping through the cracks for entire expansions or several patch cycles all the time. Also people maining blu in the future has no relevance to their overall demographic occupation. Just as many people will stop maining blu.

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I think that might be an even more unpopular opinion than anything else lol.

I mean, you do you, but out of all the MMO's I've ever played I've been constantly impressed by how well this team juggles it's class balance. There are far, far worse games on the market that struggle with way less classes than FFXIV.

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Originally Posted by Arkdra

Yes actually. I would much prefer they don't ever add another full job to this game and instead focus on the ones that are already in the game so that maybe some jobs stop slipping through the cracks for entire expansions or several patch cycles all the time. Also people maining blu in the future has no relevance to their overall demographic occupation. Just as many people will stop maining blu.

But, "This time the pld quest isn't boring trash." or, "We finally managed to balance healers" or, "We've finally managed to shake nin, drg, sch and warrior out of their 5 year long dominance in the raid meta." don't move boxes like a new job.

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Then shouldn't we be asking for them to slow down on the patch cycle some so they have enough time for these things AND new FULL jobs? I rather wait longer to get the things I want then have the things I want chained to a mini game.

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

It won't change anyting. What the game requires is different than what the players require. Basically, if people thinks you're a burden at minlvl, they'll kick you. For BLU, if they think that a particular skill is necessary even though the game doesn't require it, they could kick you. So the only solution is to require all skills, which remove the freedom of chosing them.

That's the thing, BLU does not simply run outdated content. BLU is content. Leveling BLU, farming actions and playing it in Masked Carnival will keep people playing.

You don't know what content will be available to BLU in SH. For now, you can only safely assume that a 3rd Deep Dungeon and the next installement of PvP won't be. As a matter of fact, you should be able to be a BLU in Eureka, considering there's no matchmaking and that, once inside, you can freely change job. So, let's say BLU has some spells that don't scale on their stats (Demi spells, Reraise, or things like that....) it could be really powerful even at lvl 50.

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Strange how blue is content yet at the same time your posts sounds like you are sure that they will be later useable in higher level duties. Why? I mean its already content right?

Again SE has made this a limited job, gave it a new category, stated that it cant use queues because of fear for toxic behaviour and because it would destroy the bosses. They make sure to give it its own content and say that it will get level updates in Shadowbringer patches. Why would they not simply state: It will be lvl 80 in Shadowbringer and you will be able to use it in other content in the future..why would they go and make it look like its going to always be a solo job and maybe for really outdated content if that is not the case...I mean you could literally feel the emotions and happiness dropping in the room in the keynote when they brought up the first informations about its restriction. How would it be great PR not to state more things if they already know them as facts? I mean this is again a new content that seems to split the playerbase and that for something which should be used to hype the new things..

The reasons about the kickings are bad imo. We have bad people already being kicked, we have people going into higher content as classes not jobs and being kicked. Why care for Blue mages but not for all the other cases? Also I just dont understand it, what exactly would be bad to restrict certain spells in duties if it can still use everything in the overworld? Restricting it in duties would not take away from the enjoyment of it in the content meant for it, it would just give all the other people that want is a job a chance to play it too.

If Blue Mage itself can be classified as content, then would a fully implemented Blue Mage not also be content? If it's about collecting spells from wild monsters, I see no reason why that can't be retained. If Masked Carnival is the content that is being referenced, does it not sound better to have something that is virtually identical, but accessible to all jobs and not just Blue Mage?

I wont play an unfinished job that can't use the DF and can't level up to the cap. They should have postponed introducing this job until they had the time to balance it for all content up to level 80. If it is indeed not possible to release it as a functional job yet, then don't waste precious development time on creating limitations and side content for the job. It just comes off as unprofessional.

Build the foundation properly, then expand if it's a success. Kind of like the Perform action for Bard.

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Why? I mean its already content right?

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Sure Deep Dungeon is also a content itself so I guess they shouldn't have to bother expanding the concept to level cap, right ?

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Why care for Blue mages but not for all the other cases?

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Because Blue Mage is built on chosing your skills. Forgeting your job crystal or not doing your job quests are not tactical choices.

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Originally Posted by Reinha

Build the foundation properly, then expand if it's a success. Kind of like the Perform action for Bard.

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Yeah, almost like "build the job foundation so that everybody can play with it, even people that only have ARR, and then expand it on subsequent patches". Funny that's what they do.

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People complain about a whole assortment of things. People complained that DRK was a tank instead of a DPS like in FF11. People complained that RDM wasn't a pure hybrid class but what we currently have. Guess what Adeacia...hardly noone complains about those things anymore. Why? Because it still follows the same core system that has been in place since ARR with all jobs being accessible to all features in the game.

How is making a caster job that uses monster learned abilities/spells to be used on enemies with a unique mechanic every job SE has made in the past considered "generic"? Is RDM generic on that basis? Or how bout your main WHM since it casts healing spells just like AST/SCH, is that generic?

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Generic as in "here are your skills, you use them in a specific order for top dps." To have BLU like that it may as well be a black mage or red mage with a blue coat of paint on it. It wouldn't stand out.

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Generic as in "here are your skills, you use them in a specific order for top dps." To have BLU like that it may as well be a black mage or red mage with a blue coat of paint on it. It wouldn't stand out.

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The only game where BLU was about equipping the right skills and what not was FFXI. Every other iteration once you learned all your spells you just had a black mage with Monster Skill named abilities.

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The only game where BLU was about equipping the right skills and what not was FFXI. Every other iteration once you learned all your spells you just had a black mage with Monster Skill named abilities.

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So then...why does everyone want blue mage so badly? Makes no sense.

I didn't actually see the fanfest or live letter but I heard that the masked carnival will have things like older FF games. Earth attacks don't work on flying monsters and elements actually matter. That is what I want to see. That will make BLU stand out from everyone else in the game. If they kept that in the entire game, and didn't make it a black mage but blue, I'd really like playing as it.

I want a job that stands out. BLU as players want it, won't.

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So then...why does everyone want blue mage so badly? Makes no sense.

I didn't actually see the fanfest or live letter but I heard that the masked carnival will have things like older FF games. Earth attacks don't work on flying monsters and elements actually matter. That is what I want to see. That will make BLU stand out from everyone else in the game. If they kept that in the entire game, and didn't make it a black mage but blue, I'd really like playing as it.

I want a job that stands out. BLU as players want it, won't.

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Except what use is Blue mage once you've learned all the spells and done all the carnival challenges? Nothing. It'll sit on the shelf till SE decides to update it. Which hopefully for the people looking forward to it will be more often than they update egi glamours.

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Except what use is Blue mage once you've learned all the spells and done all the carnival challenges? Nothing. It'll sit on the shelf till SE decides to update it. Which hopefully for the people looking forward to it will be more often than they update egi glamours.

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By that thinking, what use is any job once you've hit max level, got your gear and killed all available content? BLU is what you make of it just like any other job. Do what you enjoy doing as a BLU mage even after you've gotten all 49 skills and played the Masked Carnival. If someone enjoys the carnival challenges and likes doing them over and over, how is that different than someone enjoying Omega and doing that over and over, despite having nothing to gain gear wise and only that you enjoy doing so for whatever reason while waiting on the next raid tier for new challenges/gear? I suppose you could say the enjoyment of playing with your friends or the continued challenge, but that is no different than the enjoyment someone would get if they enjoy the carnival and its challenges.

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By that thinking, what use is any job once you've hit max level, got your gear and killed all available content? BLU is what you make of it just like any other job. Do what you enjoy doing as a BLU mage even after you've gotten all 49 skills and played the Masked Carnival. If someone enjoys the carnival challenges and likes doing them over and over, how is that different than someone enjoying Omega and doing that over and over, despite having nothing to gain gear wise and only that you enjoy doing so for whatever reason while waiting on the next raid tier for new challenges/gear? I suppose you could say the enjoyment of playing with your friends, but that is no different than the enjoyment someone would get if they enjoy the carnival.

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When I get a job to cap I do roulettes to cap tomes, I do the Omega normal raids to get gear for my alt jobs. I do 24 mans to either get gear for an alt job or just to get the token every week. None of this I can do on BLU cause it's locked to lvl 50 and can't use roulettes.

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When I get a job to cap I do roulettes to cap tomes, I do the Omega normal raids to get gear for my alt jobs. I do 24 mans to either get gear for an alt job or just to get the token every week. None of this I can do on BLU cause it's locked to lvl 50 and can't use roulettes.

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So once you've effectively completed all the current content available to your jobs and got all the gear you'd need, would you keep doing the content? If so, why can't someone who enjoys the BLU content do the same? I can't argue for or against rewards for Masked Carnival as that information isn't available so there isn't much to compare against tomes and tokens, but if the Carnival offered its own form of rewards that you could continually work on similar to tomes, would that change your mind in anyway or would it have to strictly be tomes/token rewards that go towards your other jobs?

Wait. People don’t like Blue Mage?

And complaining?

You have 15 other jobs to play as. I sure hope if you’re complianing about BLU you have all 15 others leveled and geared.

I 100% support this idea of breathing life into the open world. If you don’t like it don’t be play it. That’s your own fault and your own problem. And no one else’s but your own.

I welcome all content for all different types of players. Not everyone plays FFlog.. I mean only does raid.