Against "Simultaneous Logout Measures"

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Originally Posted by Hezkezl

You have absolutely no proof for that claim. There's every chance that this problem is going to be back again, and possibly worse than it ever was due to new people coming to the game.

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If they keep the server closed to creation and transfers it can only go down and it will go down as inevitably people stop playing and some will transfer to play with friends who cannot join the server.

Once the expansion rush ends the queue won't be an issue like it is the rest of the time, people have this impression Balmung always has a long queue but it simply doesn't at most it can take 1-3 minutes if it's a patch launch day or something.

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Originally Posted by Ayer2015

Sure it is. Saturday I got pissed off from the 3K login queue, which was literally not moving, went on discord to get myself removed from my free company and transferred.
Now I'm making new friends, which isn't that difficult if you put yourself out there.

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Yet ppl have made long time connections.
you obviously didn't care too much about the fc and all. it's easier when you have no ties to the place.

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Originally Posted by Mikhaill

Yet ppl have made long time connections.
you obviously didn't care too much about the fc and all. it's easier when you have no ties to the place.

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Its like any other aspect of life; sometimes you just move on. You always have the memories, and the opportunity to make new ones elsewhere. I've been on 4 servers since ff14 launched, and have met great people on each of them.

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Originally Posted by Ayer2015

Sure it is. Saturday I got pissed off from the 3K login queue, which was literally not moving, went on discord to get myself removed from my free company and transferred.
Now I'm making new friends, which isn't that difficult if you put yourself out there.

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Good for you! I mean that sincerely too. I, on the other hand, have friends and acquaintances here with no intentions of leaving. Some are apart of massive FCs like The Ward, others prefer high pop servers and a few I have known outside FFXIV for years. While I'm always open to making new friends, I don't want to leave behind all the ones I have because they're happy on Balmung. Admittedly, I also prefer high pop servers. Maybe if Mateus stabilizes a little, I'll consider it more but at the moment, I don't want to risk going to a server whose roleplay attempts may be for naught and wind up stuck there for three months.

Lol hope a dps doesn't try to queue for a dungeon in that timeframe.

But on a serious note, all worlds shouldn't suffer just because Balmung is having problems

This makes me wonder how many people are actually afk because there would have to be hundreds to thousands for this to even make sense. Otherwise you are just going to have massive congestion after the 10 minutes with no guarantee that the waiting players are even going to get in.

I brought this up in another thread:

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As such, we’ll be instituting a temporary measure that will log all characters out simultaneously across all Worlds on a data center once a day.

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Reading comprehension dictates that "a" is akin to "one," therefore you can read it to say "all worlds on one data center." It's no mystery which server is actually having the issue. It's Balmung. The data center it is located on is Aether. Aether will most likely be the only data center, and its worlds, experiencing this lovely addition:

Adamantoise
Balmung
Cactuar
Coeurl
Faerie
Gilgamesh
Goblin
Jenova
Mateus <-- I really feel for these guys
Midgardsormr
Sargatanas
Siren
Zalera

Really, at this point, I'm all for splintering Balmung. I'm pretty sure the transfer incentives are there so SE doesn't start enforcing a hardcap on the server, but with these issues, this should be done. It'll happen again come 5.0. Even if they never remove the ability to transfer to, or create a new character on Balmung, those returning to the game will cause this to repeat. Until players are forcibly removed from this overpopulated server, because not enough are taking the incentives, the issue will happen again. That's not doomsaying, that is just a fact.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

Square Enix needs to bite the bullet and create a new server for roleplayers. They created this mess by allowing people to pay their way into high pop servers. Now said players understandably don't want to leave behind their connections nor risk going to baby servers that may wither in a couple months. The incentives offered simply aren't enough. I couldn't care less about being reimbursed for my house. I want to have one. While the queues are annoying, I'd rather put up with them than chance not getting a house again. Gilgamesh will inevitably work itself out thanks to PF. Balmung won't because it caters to the idea of having one large community.

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Even if all the roleplayers moved out of Balmung it would STILL be overpopulated. Roleplayers are a minority of the population there. A fairly large minority, but still a minority.

Besides Balmung isn't the only server suffering from overly long queues.

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Originally Posted by Rita1989

Once the expansion rush ends the queue won't be an issue like it is the rest of the time, people have this impression Balmung always has a long queue but it simply doesn't at most it can take 1-3 minutes if it's a patch launch day or something.

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In my opinion.... the developers banking on people getting bored with the game and leaving, and designing their infrastructure around that "low population" period, is absolutely pathetic. What happens during 5.0 or 6.0 when the 'non expansion rush/normal' population levels might be higher than what they are now? We could theoretically be permanently stuck with this once-per-day timeout thing, and then they'll have to go and add another band-aid onto the pile.

Was kind of worried when I first read this about possibly getting booted from inside an instance, but given the 1 hour advance notice I'd say I'm actually quite okay with this measure :) people circumventing auto logout and congesting server needs to be fixed anyway...

Odin apparently has the same issue so EU and Aether will be the only ones probably

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Originally Posted by Ilenya

You seem to think everyone is perfectly okay with leaving everything they have on a server to move to a completely different one with possibly no one else they know. It's a strange assumption, if that is what you are thinking.

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Then stay and enjoy the queue, if staying in Balmung queue is more important to you than play on another server you have my blessing, just stop punishing us.
As I said, leaving was not easy but I won't pay 15€ a month to stay in queue, if you are willing to, fine

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Originally Posted by Derio

Lol hope a dps doesn't try to queue for a dungeon in that timeframe.

But on a serious note, all worlds shouldn't suffer just because Balmung is having problems

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What I don't see people considering is that all the AFK players are preventing active players from getting in, active players that might actually contribute to duty queues, which might help speed up those DPS queues.

We're all already suffering because of Balmung.

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Originally Posted by Celef

Then stay and enjoy the queue, if staying in Balmung queue is more important to you than play on another server you have my blessing, just stop punishing us.
As I said, leaving was not easy but I won't pay 15€ a month to stay in queue, if you are willing to, fine

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I was not aware I either complained about the queue or personally punished you for staying where I am. I *expected* the queue, and planned accordingly.

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Originally Posted by JunseiKei

Reading comprehension dictates that "a" is akin to "one," therefore you can read it to say "all worlds on one data center." It's no mystery which server is actually having the issue. It's Balmung. The data center it is located on is Aether. Aether will most likely be the only data center, and its worlds, experiencing this lovely addition:

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They also said

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We are experiencing a situation where several Worlds are consistently reaching the maximum number of players that can be logged into the game during peak hours.

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No, it is not just Balmung that is having issues.

Assuming there is 50-100 afk players, this would completely get rid of q times on Cactuar.
Of course this is no help to the servers that actually need it.

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Originally Posted by Ilenya

I was not aware I either complained about the queue or personally punished you for staying where I am. I *expected* the queue, and planned accordingly.

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It's not a you "you" it's a you refering to those of Balmung that won't move and complain ^^"
(in french we have a distinction between a you for one personne and a you for a group, it's 2 different terms so it's easy to get misunderstood)

Thankfully this is a temporary thing. Honestly if they wanna play ball against afkers that are abusing the afk kicker then add a new option to report: AFK exploiter

which if you click this it causes a menu to pop up on the screen of the accused which they have 1min to click the check box "Im not afk" and then hit okay or else they get dropped even if interacting with an npc.

This would be better than ejecting everyone off all the servers.

I mean, if you're gonna be sitting there afk for more than 30 minutes why not log out anyway? I get life happens but if you just wanna pose on top of a ledge for attention do so when you can actively see the responses.

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I'm not happy about this decision, but maybe it will make more people move to other servers in frustration.

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Why, though?

If anything, what they are doing here is basically admitting all the servers are screwed up enough to need these autologout measures, so why even bother moving to another server?

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Originally Posted by Hezkezl

What happens during 5.0 or 6.0 when the 'non expansion rush/normal' population levels might be higher than what they are now? We could theoretically be permanently stuck with this once-per-day timeout thing, and then they'll have to go and add another band-aid onto the pile.

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Your choosing to ignore the fact that the server is locked completly so as long as the server stays that way the only potential increase could come from people who didn't buy Stormblood but decide to buy 5.0 and also factoring everyone who bought SB comes back and no one transfers from the server.

Mateus has already took a decent # of people who rp and will probably continue to be that way as all new role players are going to be on that server and more will join them in the future.

Honestly the incentive as is, is not enough to get people to transfer over if they improve on it more people will move.

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Originally Posted by Fynlar

what they are doing here is basically admitting all the servers are screwed up enough to need these autologout measures, so why even bother moving to another server?

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What they are doing is trying to fix server congestion. Literally the only way to fix balmung is to give players incentive to transfer away from it.

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Originally Posted by Rasylia

Pick your friends and move to a new server.
The friends have to pick their friends too.
And those [...]

It's not as easy as you all claim it to be.

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Then you decide what's more important to you; your friends or being able to log in faster.

SE has given people the option to move for free as a solution to that problem as they've decided that the current position with Balmung is untenable. If you and your friends are not interested in taking that offer then you're in no position to complain about a 3k login queue, simple as that.

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Originally Posted by Crysten

Then you decide what's more important to you; your friends or being able to log in faster.

SE has given people the option to move for free as a solution to that problem as they've decided that the current position with Balmung is untenable. If you and your friends are not interested in taking that offer then you're in no position to complain about a 3k login queue, simple as that.

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But if the situation today is untenable in Balmung, it's SE's fault though, so...

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Originally Posted by Clethoria

I mean, if you're gonna be sitting there afk for more than 30 minutes why not log out anyway? I get life happens but if you just wanna pose on top of a ledge for attention do so when you can actively see the responses.

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Because if people only have to get up for an hour or so, they don't want to get stuck in a three hour queue. I've AFK'd a couple times, admittedly, after two simultaneous Directx11 forced me into two separate queues spanning over five hours. So yeah, I was frustrated.

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Originally Posted by Rysir

they have 1min to click the check box "Im not afk" and then hit okay or else they get dropped even if interacting with an npc.

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One minute? If you never go afk for more than one minute, do you have bathroom breaks at your desk or something? :D Half an hour would be in line with the afk logout measures already in place. That I would prefer over this silly mass kick of the entire server with only 1 hour of notice (less than DF queue times occasionally).

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Originally Posted by Reinha

One minute? If you never go afk for more than one minute, do you have bathroom breaks at your desk or something? :D Half an hour would be in line with the afk logout measures already in place.

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Im going off the thought that someone accused of afk exploiting would have the afk icon/auto running to walls so they would be gone a while already.

Keep in mind that this will most likely be done before prime time to kick off people who logged on earlier when the wait times were lower and then went afk. I can't see them doing this during busy hours.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

Because if people only have to get up for an hour or so, they don't want to get stuck in a three hour queue. I've AFK'd a couple times, admittedly, after two simultaneous Directx11 forced me into two separate queues spanning over five hours. So yeah, I was frustrated.

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#BalmungProblems

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Originally Posted by Tinibou

But if the situation today is untenable in Balmung, it's SE's fault though, so...

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It's SE's fault the entirety of the RP playerbase wanted to congregate on a single server?

The playerbase is just as much to blame here.

While not ideal for established communities, SE have decided that transfers are the only feasible solution since it appears that for whatever reason they can't do anything to address server capacity.

They've offered their solution and it's hardly their fault if people are being stubborn about it as a result.

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Originally Posted by Clethoria

I mean, if you're gonna be sitting there afk for more than 30 minutes why not log out anyway? I get life happens but if you just wanna pose on top of a ledge for attention do so when you can actively see the responses.

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Because I'm in a leveling queue as DPS. That's why I'm AFK for more than 30 minutes. And yes, I've been kicked because the queue took so long. I guess I could have been doing something else in-game while waiting on a ridiculously long queue, but I thought my time better spent cleaning around the house and waiting for the PS4 controller to alert me to a queue pop. Guess I was wrong.

Meanwhile, instead of addressing directly the problem of how people bypass the AFK kick, they decide to go this route. It doesn't even sound like they're going to stagger the worlds either. I don't think it's going to be a big surprise what will happen when everyone kicked off on an entire data center hits the login queues at the same time 10 minutes later.

I have a couple questions.

What happens if you log in just before the simultaneous logout? Sucks to be you.

What will happen with DPS queues? This might fatten up tank mercs wallets.

But really, it's thanks to these circumventers that people who wanted to transfer couldn't even do that if they couldn't even access their rooms/retainers.

I am very concerned on whether this will affect my server, there is usually a queue in getting in, and as Olayer interested in tank and dps, this will be another impediment to play dps with the queues as they are.

It also seems SE shot themselves in the foot, by basically admitting that moving servers isn't going to prevent this inconvienience from occurring, so what reason do players have to move now? Severing ties with long time friends is bad enough, but when you are still going to be screwed with long queues getting back in and intentional downtime because the congested server is still in your data center?? That is just ridiculous, and shows a lack of foresight that they should have expected with all of their advertising.

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Originally Posted by Crysten

It's SE's fault the entirety of the RP playerbase wanted to congregate on a single server?

The playerbase is just as much to blame here.

While not ideal for established communities, SE have decided that transfers are the only feasible solution since it appears that for whatever reason they can't do anything to address server capacity.

They've offered their solution and it's hardly their fault if people are being stubborn about it as a result.

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No they aren't. This entire issue never occurs if SE wasn't greedy and happily collected $20 with every transfer to servers they supposedly closed. Most people aren't going to even know about server populations beyond "Balmung has a large roleplay community." You don't blame the playerbase for preferring larger servers when they could still transfer onto them, albeit for a price.

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Originally Posted by Crysten

It's SE's fault the entirety of the RP playerbase wanted to congregate on a single server?

The playerbase is just as much to blame here.

While not ideal for established communities, SE have decided that transfers are the only feasible solution since it appears that for whatever reason they can't do anything to address server capacity.

They've offered their solution and it's hardly their fault if people are being stubborn about it as a result.

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SE is at fault for not locking the server at 3.0 but they were happy to collect their transfer $$.

Now that the server is locked the RP community will split it has already started on Mateus and will continue as long as they don't open up the server again

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Originally Posted by Amelia_Pond_Behemoth

What will happen with DPS queues? This might fatten up tank mercs wallets.

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What are you expecting to happen? Because I see this as beneficial more than anything. An hour warning is still enough to queue and finish a dungeon for most, with the added bonus of kicking players to make room for more people that might queue up.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

No they aren't. This entire issue never occurs if SE wasn't greedy and happily collected $20 with every transfer to servers they supposedly closed. Most people aren't going to even know about server populations beyond "Balmung has a large roleplay community." You don't blame the playerbase for preferring larger servers when they could still transfer onto them, albeit for a price.

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Bourne makes a point here.
Although people should not rush to overpopulated server to whine after, SE should not have open the gates to those willing to pay. A closed server need to be closed

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Originally Posted by Kallera

It also seems SE shot themselves in the foot, by basically admitting that moving servers isn't going to prevent this inconvienience from occurring, so what reason do players have to move now?

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Please explain this logic. If players were actually spread out, such that the AFK exploiters weren't such a huge problem (by being spread across all servers, rather than severely impacting a handful), then we might've avoided this situation.

Anyone knows how they react on japaness forum ? Considering they are the only ones SE listens it might be abble to know if it's debated too

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

No they aren't. This entire issue never occurs if SE wasn't greedy and happily collected $20 with every transfer to servers they supposedly closed. Most people aren't going to even know about server populations beyond "Balmung has a large roleplay community." You don't blame the playerbase for preferring larger servers when they could still transfer onto them, albeit for a price.

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I'm in a roleplay community on Excalibur, I still think this might affect my datacenter, despite Balmung not being there, as Excalibur is a legacy server, and home to a lot of long time players.

We have party finder, don't we? There needs to be a better way to facilitate roleplayers other than shunting them, accounts and all, into one or two servers.