Boycotting Warrior 4.0 (Let's do it!)

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Originally Posted by Sylvina

I think the doomsaying is silly and WAR will be at least as good in SB as it is now. Why bother with bloodbath when you have Rampart and a healer? 6 fell cleaves is gonna do a lot of damage for a tank and generate some good threat too. I don't see any issue with SB warrior.

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One butcher's block combo generates nearly as much aggro as 5 fell cleaves, so it's not that simple. Also if you wait to build up enough gauge for the 6 fell cleave rotation you'll have to start with eye-path-path-eye combo before using berserk, and that's like 25-30s into the fight before using your fell cleaves.

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Originally Posted by konpachizaraki

2.upheaval may have good potency which is 300, but it also uses beast gauge and also its damage get lower along with your HP, using it will delay you using fell cleave and inner beast which both have stronger potency

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Upheaval is better than fell cleave in terms of potency/gauge, and it's off gcd so it's better. The only time you shouldn't use upheaval is when you'll lose a fell cleave for a heavy swing or maim during a buff window (500 > 150/190 potency loss is bigger than 300 from upheaval), otherwise upheaval takes priority over fell cleave. Inner beast is a defensive utility so obviously it takes priority over the other two, assuming you need it.

Onslaught isn't good but there might be cases where you can spare 20 gauge when upheaval is on cooldown, so that's still a "free" 100 potency. For example between berserks your goal would be to build at least 120 gauge so you can use one upheaval out of berserk and still have 100 gauge to start the next berserk. If you can build 140 gauge instead, then that 20 extra gauge can be spent on onslaught without delaying your berserk. I did some experiment on a spreadsheet, and it seems like I can use onslaught once between my 2nd and 3rd berserk without losing any upheaval or fell cleave (since using a fell cleave after 2nd berserk before 3rd berserk would delay your 3rd berserk by 3 gcd).

While losing the theme of a lifegain tank is pretty shitty, I can live with all the changes except the stance swap penalty. Destroying the fluidity of the warrior in this way is just unacceptable, and whoever thought this was good idea is just incompetent. I'm actually thinking of maining red mage now because of that alone.

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Originally Posted by Rhyn

While losing the theme of a lifegain tank is pretty shitty, I can live with all the changes except the stance swap penalty. Destroying the fluidity of the warrior in this way is just unacceptable, and whoever thought this was good idea is just incompetent. I'm actually thinking of maining red mage now because of that alone.

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It's a japanese game...in Japan..there is no such thing as stance dance..., you main tank? tank stance, you off tank? dps stance, for all the fight...

at this rate we'll see nothing but PLD, RDM, SAM, AST running around, which at this point i'm sure that's what they were going for when they thought of all this lol.

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Originally Posted by Sylvina

I think the doomsaying is silly and WAR will be at least as good in SB as it is now. Why bother with bloodbath when you have Rampart and a healer? 6 fell cleaves is gonna do a lot of damage for a tank and generate some good threat too. I don't see any issue with SB warrior.

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Why bother with Bloodbath? Two use cases:

1. Dungeons or large add phases (e.g. A2S, A12S, SephEX on release)
Right now, while running dungeons, you can get a ton of self-healing during big pulls with Bloodbath, Berserk, Decimate, and Overpower spam. This allows your healer to use Holy or Gravity more often, while giving your SCH ample opportunity to set up DoTs to Bane everything (RIP Bane 4.0) because Bloodbath's healing replaces a few GCDs they might otherwise spend casting Cure II/Benefic II/Adlo.

Similarly, although these are less common, there are at least a few endgame fights with a large number of adds at once, such as the eight lanners in A12S, the Binahs in Sephirot Extreme when it first came out (depending on kill order, you could end up with 6 Binahs alive at once as "OT"), and good chunk of A2S. In these examples, because you're tanking a large number of enemies, Bloodbath's self-heal is non-trivial.

2. Soloing undersized content, such as Coil or ARR Extreme primals
Want to test your mettle as a WAR? Would you like to revisit old content in a new and interesting way while testing your limits? Try going back in to ARR primals or Coils undersized by yourself as WAR and see if you can kill them.

Spoilers: When trying to solo old fights undersized as WAR, you live and die by your Bloodbath use.

Even disregarding the new stance dance penalty, which will make this a lot more painful, losing Bloodbath is rather crippling.

Sure, we'll be able to overgear these fights even more starting Friday, but then it'll also be hurting our chances at soloing HW trials and raids.

Also, while WAR is getting nerfed in solo content with the removal of Bloodbath, PLD is getting buffed. Half MP costs, no more cast interruptions, and Royal Authority comboing off Riot Blade is both a potency increase while also making Clemency and Holy Spirit Available more often!

I'm glad that PLD is finally getting some love, but what gives?

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Originally Posted by mcspamm

Right now, while running dungeons, you can get a ton of self-healing during big pulls with Bloodbath, Berserk, Decimate, and Overpower spam.

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Considering that, with the proper setup, you can now spam up to 6 Decimates on very large pulls, you'll need less healing in the end anyway :p

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

Considering that, with the proper setup, you can now spam up to 6 Decimates on very large pulls, you'll need less healing in the end anyway :p

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I haven't put much thought into that but 6 decimates (or 5 decimates + 3 overpowers) wouldn't be practical considering you need to start the pull in defiance, hence halving your gauge when you go into deliverance. If you need to build up 50 gauge after getting it halved, then you can only start using decimates around 8 gcds into the pull (2x overpowers in defiance, 6 gcds for one eye combo and one path combo), the mobs would be dead by the time you're ready lol.

And no, I don't think you can stay in deliverance all the time unless you get bad dps. I've tried some dungeon runs with a good smn and a good drk, the drk won't hold aggro if he doesn't pop grit at the start of the pulls.

Interesting conversations after being gone a while.. guess I need to look for a more consolidated list of changes. I was never a fan of the dps tank meta, personally. I switched to DRG for HW after being War main for ARR because, if I was going to gear for strength, I figured I might as well do it on an actual strength class. As a result I fell behind on optimizing war for damage (rotation-wise), even though I eventually fell in to the meta and rocked full str until they nerfed it. - I just refused to raid on war unless it was with a group of friends lol

To a certain extent I think the changes in strength tanking meta really divided the community, it looks like some of these changes are clearly meant to help roll that back and define a proper formula for tanking in this game specifically. I think perhaps they were trying to offer too much to players, which is really great on one hand because of the freedom of choice, but also leaves a murky area of how the role is supposed to be played exactly.

Like Reynhart, I do enjoy the actual role of tanking, not just on war but also pld (I never really got that good at drk for some reason). It's not about the damage output, it's about being the leader of a party and directing them towards victory, so to speak. And I'm not denying the value of increased tank dps, certainly there is merit to the argument. I'm just saying it was never really the play style I enjoyed.

Anyways, just my 2 pennies. I was half leaning towards switching back to War for this expansion, guess we'll just have to see how it all plays out.

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Originally Posted by aleph_null

And no, I don't think you can stay in deliverance all the time unless you get bad dps. I've tried some dungeon runs with a good smn and a good drk, the drk won't hold aggro if he doesn't pop grit at the start of the pulls.

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You didn't have AoE Provoke back then ;)

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Originally Posted by whiskeybravo

It's not about the damage output, it's about being the leader of a party and directing them towards victory, so to speak.

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Get ready for dozens of "Tanks don't lead the party" responses :p

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

Get ready for dozens of "Tanks don't lead the party" responses :p

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That's OK. I've been in enough groups that have wiped after a tank died to know the truth ;)

But either way, it's just my opinion about tanking. Others are free to have their own, and they surely do lol

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

You didn't have AoE Provoke back then ;)

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Well you still won't catch up with good dps especially since decimate doesn't have aggro multiplier. You also need to do one eye combo (3 gcd) for the eye buff now, instead of just doing heavy swing and maim. Honestly thinking about stance dancing in dungeons is giving me headache lol, but I'm much more concerned about the raid opener/rotation especially when you need butcher's block to pull the boss. Potencies may change, but unless they change the gauge generation (which I doubt) the rotation should stay mostly the same.

... and deliverance cost 20 gauge points ... Bye bye warrior :mad:

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Originally Posted by aleph_null

Well you still won't catch up with good dps especially since decimate doesn't have aggro multiplier. You also need to do one eye combo (3 gcd) for the eye buff now, instead of just doing heavy swing and maim. Honestly thinking about stance dancing in dungeons is giving me headache lol, but I'm much more concerned about the raid opener/rotation especially when you need butcher's block to pull the boss. Potencies may change, but unless they change the gauge generation (which I doubt) the rotation should stay mostly the same.

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ha I just wanted to test it out on tank aggro generation take it was just thordan normal trial but pretty much from what I saw on pali I could still just halone twice then turn on sword oath. Nobody was even gaining on me at all, two monks in the group to.

The thing is alot of dps got nerfed with buffs, for instance, monk no longer has b4b, dragoon no longer has ir and alot of other personal buffs, bard only has raging now them and mch, so spike damage is pretty much out the window I think could be wrong. So I just dont think that it is gona be to hard to tank in sword oath, deliverance, and darkside. Also every aggro combo also got a buff in aggro , so I say things are prtty much gona be the same with maybe just having to use your aggro combos a bit more

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Originally Posted by aqskerorokero

It's a japanese game...in Japan..there is no such thing as stance dance..., you main tank? tank stance, you off tank? dps stance, for all the fight...

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Is this really a thing over there? Doubt it. Sounds more like a projection of your wishful thinking mixed with weeaboo sentiment.

I'm in for the boycott as well. What they did to all jobs is not "revamping", it's plain butchering.
I was a war tank since HW and I was an overexcited fanboy untill I logged and saw what they did.

...it's ugly, and we're only talking about war here, don't forget the others crippled.

I logged in this morning and it was terrible, my poor warrior... I was most upset at loosing fracture... I cross classed that on everything I could when I started :( . No more flash as well? Terrible! I saw there was some other AoE skill like provoke but some nice flash spams were always nice in a pinch. And what the heck is with the skill buttons changing from different stances? I like haveing them as separate buttons, let me have that option. Between this and DRG I just could not even and logged out. SMN/SCH looked like most of the buttons were still there, I will just ply those till this gets sorted out... Although I have since read about problems on those classes as well since I gave up.... I'm just gonna play Zelda until they sort this whole mess out lol

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Originally Posted by aqskerorokero

It's a japanese game...in Japan..there is no such thing as stance dance..., you main tank? tank stance, you off tank? dps stance, for all the fight...

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I'm certain everyone in japan was bad at the game too. This just makes the most sense.

I'm... not surprised to see you guys lose gauge when you switch stances, but maybe one step back instead of two would help it. In HW it was designed to switch between stances, that's why you didn't lose anything. I can get them thinking that was too powerful, but they didn't do much to dismantle that design other than the gauge loss.

Honestly, this "tank and healer balance" that they went for seems more like they just gave up on a lot of classes rather than an actual balancing attempt. For healers it's downright bad, the most powerful healer got the most buffs, the most unique healer got a lot of their playstyle removed, and the weakest healer got pretty much nothing.

Sadly Ultimatum does not function like Flash at all, using it as an OT picking up adds while the MT tanking the main boss just mean that you are ripping the main boss off the MT as well if you are within the vicinity. PLD keep Flash, DRK got Unleash, WAR have to cone position which have much smaller area.

Flash was perfect for WAR to pick up that initial mobs, round them up for Overpower, it give us time to breath on TP regeneration and make use of our MP and while the MP cost for a WAR to use Flash is very high I'm okay with it, it is a GLA/PLD skill after all.

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Originally Posted by Ghald

Sadly Ultimatum does not function like Flash at all, using it as an OT picking up adds while the MT tanking the main boss just mean that you are ripping the main boss off the MT as well if you are within the vicinity. PLD keep Flash, DRK got Unleash, WAR have to cone position which have much smaller area.

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So, you can have the WAR as MT, and PLD/DRK can easily take adds ;)

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

Hasn't your mitigation since increased more, to a resultant likely hps/mps over a progression content fight, than your self-sustain has decreased?

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No our mitigation did not increase. At all. We lost blood bath and foresight which we can replace in part with cross role rampart. Aside from that we gained nothing, every new skill is DPS but pld tops us in that department. Our mitigation is lowerr and our DPS is lower. Also it feels extremely clunky to play. unlike paladin all of our offensive moves are tied to a Guage that halfs when swapping where pld is only two defensive abilities tied to its guage. You put in twice the work on war for sub par results and a squishy tank that no longer has any synergy. In this change war was by far hit the hardest.

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Originally Posted by Dizzy_Derp

In this change war was by far hit the hardest.

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As it stands in terms of new Abilities there is so little advantage to using either as far as i'm aware.In the upheaval ability it says "Potency also affected by Maximum HP-increasing effects granted to self" does this mean that it does more than 300 potency when in defiance and under the thrill of battle effect, if so, Great Upheaval rocks, it shouldn't say stuff like "potency decreases as own HP decreases" that insinuates that the skill is basically useless outside of being at full health which is most of the time for a tank as they are supposed to get hit(we need more concrete stuff than that and "absorbs a portion" these are skills we rely on don't be coy). Onslaught is dead to me. Shake it off is niche and inner release feels like "OK guys so everything else is pretty meh and we took alot of your self-sustain... but hey now you can fell cleave even more... no need to say anything, your welcome"

for me it's clear SE doesn't even want the tanks to have a good balance, they want 1 to dominate the other in 1 expansion, then in the next expansion they turn that job into utter shit and give all the good stuff to other job so people will roll over to that job
meaning in 5.0 either WAR will be good again or it's DRK turn

I started in ARR with the Warrior and it was my favourite tank class, until now. I used to spam flash and overpower to hold a lot of enemies. It was really fun to me handling the mp and tp costs. But at the moment it seems to me warrior has the highest tp costs of all classes (why does he have 70tp for the damn first attack and high costs for overpower, which is his aoe pull), no use for mp and nearly no possibility to refill his tp. The new role skill has a 90 sec cooldown and a really short range, which makes it useless to me. At this point I think it´s really hard now to tank as a warrior. Paladin seems to be buffed so high. Less tp costs, use of mp, more aoe skills, more attack power on his skills. And like other people say, spamming fell cleave is just damn boring.

I'm about 50/50 with the changes, but i still do strongly believe that Square's so called "balancing" of the three tanks really needs to be looked over again.

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Originally Posted by ZaqueXIII

As it stands in terms of new Abilities there is so little advantage to using either as far as i'm aware.In the upheaval ability it says "Potency also affected by Maximum HP-increasing effects granted to self" does this mean that it does more than 300 potency when in defiance and under the thrill of battle effect, if so, Great Upheaval rocks -snip-

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Can confirm, Upheavel does more damage with Thrill of Battle and Defiance.

As a side note, maybe instead of focusing on min/maxing DPS for a Tank class and wanting to boycot it (I clearly want to state that I do not support this boycot thread) we should just try it out at 70 and also keeping the fun factor of playing a class in mind.

As a Warrior main this thread is depressing :(.... Currently leveling my WAR and wondering if i made a poor class choice at this point.

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Originally Posted by Alaude

Can confirm, Upheavel does more damage with Thrill of Battle and Defiance.

As a side note, maybe instead of focusing on min/maxing DPS for a Tank class and wanting to boycot it (I clearly want to state that I do not support this boycot thread) we should just try it out at 70 and also keeping the fun factor of playing a class in mind.

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does the damage get higher if you use unchained? and in these 2 situation which upheaval deal more damage?, in deliverance(with Thrill up) or in defiance(with thrill and unchained up)

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Originally Posted by Ghostrage

As a Warrior main this thread is depressing :(.... Currently leveling my WAR and wondering if i made a poor class choice at this point.

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I'm leveling it too, it's a lot of fun, if you like Warrior give it a try! Don't let others opinions bring you down. I'm at 64 atm and have Onslaught and Upheavel and it is sooo much fun to charge and punch things!

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Originally Posted by konpachizaraki

does the damage get higher if you use unchained? and in these 2 situation which upheaval deal more damage?, in deliverance(with Thrill up) or in defiance(with thrill and unchained up)

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Upheavel ignores Defiance damage reduction so it doesn't work with Unchained. It does more damage with Defiance than with Deliverance, this because Defiance also counts as an HP enhancement for yourself.
Best damage for Upheavel = Defiance + Thrill of Battle + Berserk + Maim + Storm's Eye

i still have to much love for warrior, but one thing i kinda disslike tho is when warrior swop between stances and lose 50 Grudge that ican be abit salty.

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Originally Posted by SarianDracon

But at the moment it seems to me warrior has the highest tp costs of all classes (why does he have 70tp for the damn first attack and high costs for overpower, which is his aoe pull),

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So equilibrium remains the same, in 3.0 it was 1 of those skill that "blue icon dps" praised warrior for being almost no tp issue whatsoever. For all 3 tanks Paladin is still the tanks with tp issue, no tp generation/tp mitigation ( war's equilibrium and drk's blood weapon).

And don't say Pld can spam holy spirit to regen tp, that's only natural regen, with 6x fc war does the same spam without consuming tp.

I tried the new warrior, it does feel more tanky compared to 3.0. Why so negative?

Drks should be complaining about the changes, but from what I see only aggressive tanks are unhappy, all pro turtle style ( all tanks) they look fine

I appear to be one of the few here that doesn't actually view what they did as "ruining" anything.

We gained substantial mitigation, and the beast gauge + 66 trait actually give us a huge amount of uptime on Inner Beast when tanking. Assuming you're using it intelligently you'll be able to have 20% damage reduction, minimum, for literally every conceivable tankbuster and a huge chunk of the fight otherwise. We lost Bloodbath, but... eh. In most respects I feel like these changes put us pretty much on par with paladins for MT capability. Our OT DPS may have dropped some, although it's hard to tell. I don't really understand the doom and gloom.

It's not the potency that made me started this thread, it's how WAR are played now. Let me paint a picture.

You have PLD tanking the main boss away, you are a WAR in Deliverance hitting away at the boss and suddenly the MT KOed, crap, you Provoke the boss that made a bee line toward the healer, switch to Defiance and at this stage that 3 stack you got saving up for a Fell Cleave on the boss now can be use for an Inner Beast instead because the boss is about to do a tank buster. You have 2 more full combo rotation to get your stack up to 5 but you think the boss is going to tank buster you before you have time to get to 5 stack through the 2 rotations of 3 GCD combo alone, what should the WAR do, pop infuriat? Welll that's 1 option but you'll be wasting all that stacks you've build up so you use 1 of the other 3 off GCD skills that give you stack namely Berserk/Vengeance/Raw Intuition instead. At this point you are building your stack away while Storm's Path the boss and you see the tank buster cast bar appeared, you are still 1 stack away from Inner Beast so you use Vengeance for its damage reduction and at the same time give you that 5th stack, you poped Inner Beast and now have both Inner Beast and Vengeance on but at this stage you are at 0 stack and you are thinking, 'you know what? This tank buster is a physical hit so I'll I'll pop Raw Intuition as well to get that 1 stack also and add Foresight for good measure. You now have Inner Beast + Vengeance + Raw Intuition + Foresight to eat that tank buster. Tank buster hit, you use your Equilibrium to counter for the HP lost with a well time press.

Oh the PLD is all up and healthy now and he want the boss back, no problem, he provoked the boss off you and you swap back to Deliverance and continue to DPSing the boss away still having that 1 stack from Raw Intuition to add to your next Fell Cleave.

That's the story of WAR 3.x, fast forward to the present day. WAR 4.x , in a similar situation, you have 30 beast gauge, MT KOed, you did what need to be done except as soon as you switched to Defiance from Deliverance you lost 50% of your beast gauge. So you are now sitting at 15 Beast gauge(BG), you have to build up at least 50 BG asap, your only sensible option now is Storm's Path which no longer reduce damage anymore but it give you 20 BG as oppose to 10 if yo use Stormseye but your Stormseye 20% dammage up buff is about to fall off, too bad you need that 50 BG. You need to do 2 Storm's Path to get your BG to 55 from 15 but tank buster is coming soon so you just pop Vengeance + Rampart and if you wish use Infuriate to get your BG from 15 to 65 instantly to add Inner Beast to mitigate the tank buster heck you can even pop Raw Intuition. Don't forget you are now left with a 5 BG left over.

At this point you might be asking me what the problem is then, WAR 4.x have better mitigation than 3.x and defensive skills are no longer tied to building stacks. Well, WAR is now a PLD with an axe. the strategic use of your skills to give you stacks while weighting their pro and con of using up said skills are gone, now we just wait for tank buster and pop off GCD skills instead of time the use of your off GCD for stacks or for their effect or both like we used to.

It's like the dev team gave up and turn all 3 tanks into PLD, while this is great news for those that like PLD game play, it's horrid news for us that have tasted what WAR 3.x can be.

For those that haven't play WAR 3.x you'll most likely wouldn't even know what the problem is, you'll be fine, play it, see it for yourself but for those of us that came to love how flexible WAR is and how fun it was in 3.x, WAR 4.0 will be very jarring to us.

This will probably be my final post on this thread, I haven't the energy or the motivation to try to move the development team anymore on this subject. I resigned to my fate, playing samurai now and while it's not as fun as WAR 3.x it is still way more fun than what WAR have became now.

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Originally Posted by Ghald

You have PLD tanking the main boss away, you are a WAR in Deliverance hitting away at the boss and suddenly the MT KOed, crap, you Provoke the boss that made a bee line toward the healer, switch to Defiance and at this stage that 3 stack you got saving up for a Fell Cleave on the boss now can be use for an Inner Beast instead because the boss is about to do a tank buster.

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And now, you have Rampart to immediately pop a -20% damage taken right after Defiance.

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Originally Posted by Ghald

You have 2 more full combo rotation to get your stack up to 5 but you think the boss is going to tank buster you before you have time to get to 5 stack through the 2 rotations of 3 GCD combo alone, what should the WAR do, pop infuriat?

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Now, he should simply use at least one path combo, allowing it to charge 50 Gauge in 6 GCD.

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Originally Posted by Ghald

You now have Inner Beast + Vengeance + Raw Intuition + Foresight to eat that tank buster. Tank buster hit, you use your Equilibrium to counter for the HP lost with a well time press.

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We need to wait for proper calculation, but I'm sure Tenacity compensate a good chunk of what Foresight reduced. And also, your OT, be it PLD or DRK, can actually help you mitigate the damage, creating more synergy than ever between the two tanks.

I like warrior at the moment. my only major complaints are 1) it's harder for me to pick up large pulls in dungeons due to the loss of flash which I used in dungeons a lot to keep big groups. now we got Ultimatum which is Basically an AoE provoke with 90 sec CD. that most likely a learning curve to adjust to. will see how that goes.

2) we lost our class stun for a role ability. DK lost their two but PLD gets the role ability and shield slam? That's kind of lame but then what would they use the shield for.

bottom line, saying we should boycot Warrior because of the changes this early in the expansion is rather lame. I don't think they screwed our class over royally (that was done white mage actually). You should wait it out, give it a fair shake, and hold out for the theory crafting to begin.

I'm right there with you man. Warrior used to be unique and have it's own identity and play style but now it feel so clunky. All the cool things about it has been removed and your right it feels like a down graded PLD. There nothing more cool than just popping those defensive cool down to build up stacks or to compensate for a bad situation, but now its just the same old one, two, three. Its so bland and boring please just give it some spice and seasoning jesus.

WAR just feels clunky, awkward and bad to play now. It's not brokenly bad, but it lost a lot of what made it feel good in ARR/HW. Losing half your gauge for swapping stances is a lot more noticeable than I thought it would be, especially after pulling a boss with Unchained. The change so that we have 10 "stacks" instead of 5 means that it takes a lot longer to build up to max for Berserk, and swapping after one or two Unchained combos makes it take even longer. Losing Bloodbath noticeably hurts in dungeons when I'm pulling multiple groups. Speaking of big pulls, swapping Maim and Eye means there's pretty much no time when you'd ever want to get your Eye buff going because it won't even break even. And one of the biggest things I miss in dungeons is Flash: trying to pick up groups with a cone is stupid.

The small DPS and mitigation gains we got are nowhere near worth losing how smooth WAR was, or losing all utility. Rampart is an upgrade to Foresight, sure, but we already had an amazing mitigation skillset. We don't need more personal mitigation, it's like selling something for 1k gil when you already have 10m. More frequent Infuriates are also a waste of a trait, because we want to hold off on it until Berserk which is every 60s anyway, and we have enough mitigation to not need to use it on Inner Beast. Upheaval is nice, but it really just feels unnoticeable and losing potency based on HP is also annoying. I would seriously prefer to keep my level 60 HW skillset and gain nothing in Stormblood than have this current one. I don't feel stronger at all.

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Originally Posted by Launched

I would seriously prefer to keep my level 60 HW skillset and gain nothing in Stormblood than have this current one. I don't feel stronger at all.

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Amazing idea ! Can we get an option to choose between new moveset (and new abilities gained from leveling) and old moveset but nothing new past 60 ? I'll reactivate my account ASAP if they do that !

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Originally Posted by Nastumi

Amazing idea ! Can we get an option to choose between new moveset (and new abilities gained from leveling) and old moveset but nothing new past 60 ? I'll reactivate my account ASAP if they do that !

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That way, you'll be less tanky and do less damage, great :p

They just need to change the Beast Gauge halving on stance switch and i´m ok. Maybe replace Shake it off with bloodbath, till now shake it off is pretty worthless.

I enjoyed WAR since 2.0 and even did some raiding with it, but now I just can't play it. They took everything away from WAR that made WAR WAR, and hid it behind "wowee, you can do six(6) Fell Cleaves!!!".

Fell Cleaves always felt great, but not at the cost of sustain and free role swapping. I have no idea what was going through the dev's team heads when they redid WAR for 4.0