Why isn't housing priced higher? (why is housing random luck)

Who thinks it would have been a whole lot better if personal and fc housing were separated.

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Originally Posted by ToasterMan

-snip- Why should I move to your server? What does your server offer that Balmung does not? Besides available plots for housing, nothing according to the Aether data center

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That's where your wrong, On Zalera a lot of the major FC's host Hide and Seek competitions open to the public for prizes. Cosplay contests, fishing contests. ect ect. Community hunting linkshells, you name it. A Server is what you make of it. We don't need a big server to mooch off what others provide. As your post implies. We provided it for each other. So in the end, enjoy your rat race for housing. Your wide scale homeless is a server issue you picked. :p

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Originally Posted by birdy_reene

That's where your wrong, On Zalera a lot of the major FC's host Hide and Seek competitions open to the public for prizes. Cosplay contests, fishing contests. ect ect. Community hunting linkshells, you name it. A Server is what you make of it. We don't need a big server to mooch off what others provide. As your post implies. We provided it for each other. So in the end, enjoy your rat race for housing. Your wide scale homeless is a server issue you picked. :p

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EVERY server has hunting linkshells. I'm sure your server holds events (Like ALL servers do) but I bet they aren't as populated or frequent as Balmung or Gilgamesh. What's your population? What's your raid scene like? Are there enough opportunities for the raiders to find like minded people? And why are you saying that people on my server are mooching? We all provide things just like you do. Having enough opportunities to find people to play with and not feeling like I'm in a ghost town is more important than having a house (To me anyway) Like I said, I can always buy a house off of someone else once I get enough gil, because really, what else am I going to do with all of it?

Honestly, I agree with you saying that people shouldn't be huddled up on a couple of servers, but right now, there is no incentive to play a low population server rather than a largely populated one. Well actually there is ONE but that's housing plots, and as the community has proven for years, having more opportunities to play with people is more important to them than housing. That's why I'm saying the community of the game and SE needs to come up with ways to entice players to play on low populations servers, and maybe fill them up. Housing and free transfers aren't enough.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/FFXIVZalera/ We advertise events all the time here, FC Fury, Alive, Demon, Oath and several others all host events as well, that are open to the public. If you browse that FB group, you'll also find that a foot race across Zalera event, jus ended, with several Zu whistles, and primal minions being the prizes. Chantel is always advertising for events along with Zeromus of Alive. As far as raiding goes, Zalera is a social server. Most raid groups on Zalera are tight knit groups who bring in outsides where they need to fill a open spot, or are seeking extras for when someone cant show. As far as statics, ppl are forming them every other day. we have plenty of people who have cleared up to A6s, and I believe FC Meow,is currenty working on getting A7s on farm.

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Originally Posted by ToasterMan

Having enough opportunities to find people to play with and not feeling like I'm in a ghost town is more important than having a house (To me anyway) Like I said, I can always buy a house off of someone else once I get enough gil, because really, what else am I going to do with all of it?

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Then why are you here in a thread where people are gripping about housing? You just said yourself its not important to you, You traded one thing for another. and what is your idea of Frequent? daily? no, weekly? yes.

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Originally Posted by birdy_reene

Then why are you here in a thread where people are gripping about housing? You just said yourself its not important to you, You traded one thing for another. and what is your idea of Frequent? daily? no, weekly? yes.

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I'm here to tell people why I think others don't want to give up everything they have and move to a low pop server where there is next to nothing for them just so they can get a housing plot like some people here are suggesting they should do.

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Originally Posted by Stormrider

Like merging low population servers that get an unfair amount of resources per subs. Or even better if a server can not maintain a certain amount of paying subs, the housing wards on that server should be shuttered. Since they are unable to generate the revenue as a server such as Gilgamesh or Balmung.

I felt stupid for typing this. I hope you felt the same typing your ridiculous answer that reinforces the broken system and blames the player.

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The player is to blame, its not a broke system, your the one foolish enough to have either, joined or moved to a over populated server. Once again its a you problem, not an S.E problem. Ignorance of your servers lack of resources isn't a defense. Good try tho.

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Originally Posted by ToasterMan

I'm here to tell people why I think others don't want to give up everything they have and move to a low pop server just so they can get a housing plot like some people here are suggesting they should do.

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And im telling you that's your choice to live with. Not S.E's. Other Servers offer exactly what you asked for, just with lower population.

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Originally Posted by birdy_reene

And im telling you that's your choice to live with. Not S.E's. Other Servers offer exactly what you asked for, just with lower population.

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There are no other servers that offer a good sized role playing community, did you even read my earlier posts?

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Originally Posted by ToasterMan

There are no other servers that offer a good sized role playing community, did you even read my earlier posts?

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Your wrong on that accord to, I belong to 2 roleplaying linkshells that are maxed out. But I'm done argueing with someone who is entitled to "instant gratification" oh woe is thou who has housing issues, needs events handed to them, and doesn't like to seek out roleplay but find it openly. Case in point, a you and your choices problem, not S.E's.

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Originally Posted by birdy_reene

Your wrong on that accord to, I belong to 2 roleplaying linkshells that are maxed out. But I'm done argueing with someone who is entitled to "instant gratification" oh woe is thou who has housing issues, needs events handed to them, and doesn't like to seek out roleplay but find it openly. Case in point, a you and your choices problem, not S.E's.

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Someone still shouldn't have to move to another server just for a house but I do agree with your point. I just can't afford moving my real friends and family members that play with me. Also say goodbye to FC members, and friends you have made within the game. It is SE fault for making such an horrible feature.

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Originally Posted by birdy_reene

Your wrong on that accord to, I belong to 2 roleplaying linkshells that are maxed out. But I'm done argueing with someone who is entitled to "instant gratification" oh woe is thou who has housing issues, needs events handed to them, and doesn't like to seek out roleplay but find it openly. Case in point, a you and your choices problem, not S.E's.

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I don't see how me wanting to have more events going on in the server means I want them handed to me, and being able to openly RP makes me entitled, as I seek the events out on the RP Site and I've got a bunch of groups that I RP with specifically. Whatever you say I guess

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Originally Posted by CuteWhisper

Someone still shouldn't have to move to another server just for a house but I do agree with your point. I just can't afford moving my real friends and family members that play with me. Also say goodbye to FC members, and friends you have made within the game. It is SE fault for making such an horrible feature.

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S.E didn't create a horrible feature though. Its a problem the player created. S.E didn't force you or the masses of players on a handful of servers to lump together. The players did that, and now the players are paying for it.

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Originally Posted by birdy_reene

S.E didn't create a horrible feature though. Its a problem the player created. S.E didn't force you or the masses of players on a handful of servers to lump together. The players did that, and now the players are paying for it.

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How dare we players for wanting a feature what should be available to everyone not matter which server your on. I had real friends playing on Leviathan already. That's what made me go on Leviathan in the first place should I just tell them to change servers? No way, they have there friends, and FC with friends in it. It's ridiculous. We shouldn't have to move servers, and lose friends and fc members for again a feature that should have been done a lot better. Everyone period should be allowed to have a personal house no matter what server your on for whatever reason you chose that server for.

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Originally Posted by CuteWhisper

Everyone period should be allowed to have a personal house no matter what server your on for whatever reason you chose that server for.

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You are allowed to, nothing is stopping you but yourself. Standard pricing this time around and they gave several weeks notice of the up-coming patch. Your inability to take the day off, or work your day around being able to buy a house is a your problem.

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Originally Posted by birdy_reene

You are allowed to, nothing is stopping you but yourself. Standard pricing this time around and they gave several weeks notice of the up-coming patch. Your inability to take the day off, or work your day around being able to buy a house is a your problem.

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None of which guarantees someone will get a house. And taking a day off for a game? Come on now.

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Originally Posted by birdy_reene

You are allowed to, nothing is stopping you but yourself. Standard pricing this time around and they gave several weeks notice of the up-coming patch. Your inability to take the day off, or work your day around being able to buy a house is a your problem.

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Where did I say I wouldn't be able to afford one or didn't take the day off to get one? People shouldn't have to take a damn day off for a game. I'm talking about countless others who for whatever reasons might not be able to get one in time. They should be allowed to get one too. We have different opinions, and I still think SE failed with this feature. It's going to be my last reply to you.

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Originally Posted by MomomiMomi

None of which guarantees someone will get a house. And taking a day off for a game? Come on now.

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QQ'ing on forums because you didn't get a house, in a game? Come on now.

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Originally Posted by ToasterMan

I'm not going to move to a dead server just so I can have a house. Moving to Balmung was the best decision I ever made with this game. NOTHING will make me go back to my original server. I will happily pay someone else for a house once I amass the amount of gil for it.

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And we're happy you're here with us. :)

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Originally Posted by birdy_reene

S.E didn't create a horrible feature though. Its a problem the player created. S.E didn't force you or the masses of players on a handful of servers to lump together. The players did that, and now the players are paying for it.

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Wait, what? The players decided not to make personal housing instanced and place it in the same zones as FC housing? You learn something new everyday, don't you.

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Originally Posted by AnaviAnael

And we're happy you're here with us. :)



Wait, what? The players decided not to make personal housing instanced and place it in the same zones as FC housing? You learn something new everyday, don't you.

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Thanks I'm glad to be with you guys too, and I'm not trying to knock other servers, (I apologize if it looks like I did) I'm just trying to tell people why I think people chose to transfer to the high pop servers over the low pop ones. Faerie felt like a ghost town to me and it made me not want to play the game and I think other people are thinking this way too, it's why people are choosing to transfer to Balmung and Gilgamesh every day (My own friends on Faerie have transfered)

It's why I think we as the community and SE should think of ways to better entice the community to migrate into the lower pop servers and fill them up more. It won't completely solve the housing problem But it'll maybe ease the load while SE fixes it completely (And we all know the solution to that)

What's dead just let it die. People are mass leaving zalera btw so don't sugar coat it.

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Originally Posted by birdy_reene

QQ'ing on forums because you didn't get a house, in a game? Come on now.

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Why are you being so rude to people on the forums of this "just a game" for the sole reason that they wish to be able to use the features that SE implements that they pay their subs for? Just because you are happy with the current system doesn't mean everyone has to be. Also doesn't mean they are "QQ'ing" just because their opinion is opposite of yours.

Housing is supposed to be a fun simulation addition to any game for players to create something for themselves to enjoy with design and creativity. It isn't a savage raid progression static. It's not like they are, in your words, "QQ'ing" over not getting raid gear without putting the effort in.

A lot of players have the gil to afford at least a small house for themselves, but the server patch day bum rush does not guarantee that they will be able to get one which is a problem; they did the work of getting the gil but it might not help them much in the end. So they are of course worried and sad that again they may not get to enjoy the content that they would like to enjoy. They are paying to support this game just like the rest of us.

Moving servers costs IRL money which is just not a good option in order to get a house. A lot of players have many good friends on their servers and they should give them up just to get a house? Its a bad solution in my opinion. I mean most people who really want a house want it to share with friends also.

Why would you not have some compassion for fellow players who just want to enjoy what others get to enjoy. It's supposed to be casual content imo.

If you don't have the time to make time for you something you supposedly enjoy and are against people who do have that time, what do you expect?

Taking time off work for a game sounds absurd but if you want something enough, you will work for it on the game just like anything else in the world.
I agree with the previous poster, it's your fault or responsibility for choosing a world with a larger population and therefore you inherit it's problems.

I think it's entirely SE's fault for pricing it lower when it should be higher. Any new level 50-60 can afford a small house without much game play and leave it hanging for X amount of time. Mediums will take a week or two and I doubt housing development can catch up with the amount of people leveling/ earning money.

Well I guess at least the apartments will be flooded more actively...

What they need to do is flat out say that re-selling housing is a violations to the ToS. I am tired of players owning an entire neighborhood full of empty plots just so they can prey on the desperate FC's and players who are houseless.

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Originally Posted by Miste

Why are you being so rude to people on the forums of this "just a game" for the sole reason that they wish to be able to use the features that SE implements that they pay their subs for? Just because you are happy with the current system doesn't mean everyone has to be. Also doesn't mean they are "QQ'ing" just because their opinion is opposite of yours.

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Shes been bragging about trolling people on high pop servers in a zalera group.

Another issue of high pop servers is players buying multiple houses. Essentially denying others of houses just so they can own many houses. While this certainly happens even on low pop servers like Zalera, you won't see it as such a strain there. A high pop server is a choice with consequences. SE is working on making housing better (something people tend to overlook, even on threads like this), but what Birdy is true. This is the case in WoW as well. High pop = greater competition in almost everything. Although it does generally mean greater opportunity, I know server players who went to high pop servers and were aghast at the difficulty of settling in. Just like living in a city, it's hard meet people when surrounded by a tide of humanity. That's why I'm content with having a community instead of a tidal wave of players.

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Originally Posted by birdy_reene

The player is to blame, its not a broke system, your the one foolish enough to have either, joined or moved to a over populated server. Once again its a you problem, not an S.E problem. Ignorance of your servers lack of resources isn't a defense. Good try tho.

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OK since you don't know much about server history. look for players with the last name Caitsith then look for what server they are generally on. A portion of Balmung population predates 14 by almost a decade.

The company you defend fails to permanently lock the server down. Also takes cash for themselves allowing bypass of what little lockout the server does have.

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Originally Posted by Miste

Why are you being so rude to people on the forums of this "just a game" for the sole reason that they wish to be able to use the features that SE implements that they pay their subs for?

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I'll take a chance and say Troll...

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Originally Posted by Reaperking386

What they need to do is flat out say that re-selling housing is a violations to the ToS. I am tired of players owning an entire neighborhood full of empty plots just so they can prey on the desperate FC's and players who are houseless.

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Agree with this. Housing is soooo borked in this game that I've resigned to never owning one.

It's not that I don't want one; it's that I refuse to RMT to be able to afford one.

It would be good if they added instanced housing at least (similar to inn rooms - as in free or cheap - but decorate-able), so as to store all our decos and stuff. But since they aren't, I'm selling off all my rare decos, since my retainers are almost full with other more useful stuff.

Housing is so much of a moving target that I cant be bothered to care anymore.

They should just ban them like half a year for selling houses and if you want to legit relinquish a house, 50% money back. So that pple actually think before they buy
A little bit like getting your downpayment bk in RL lol

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Originally Posted by Kyonika

It would be good if they added instanced housing at least (similar to inn rooms - as in free or cheap - but decorate-able), so as to store all our decos and stuff. But since they aren't, I'm selling off all my rare decos, since my retainers are almost full with other more useful stuff.

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But they are doing that. It's the next step after these new wards we got this morning, most likely coming in 3.35. They're adding 512 instanced apartments in Ishgard (not as unlimited as we'd ideally like, but it's a significant number, particularly if they later add additional apartment buildings which each have that many). We don't have a lot of detail on them yet. Many people are speculating that SE is simply re-purposing the Personal Chambers feature that they've already got for FC houses, but setting up a collection of them that don't require being in an FC with a house. But it's also possible the apartments will be bigger to make them a more equivalent alternative to private houses (although they won't have an exterior like houses do).

And some time after that there will be another set of housing wards in Ishgard. Along with that will come a feature for those already having housing to be able to move to a different house, so some in the current areas are likely to open up at that time as well.

(Note: "mansion type" in the first quote means apartments, based on the way Japanese uses the word. That translation confusion was fixed on the second quote.)

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

A4: We have confirmed that we will be increasing the amount of land for existing housing areas in Patch 3.3. After this we’re planning to introduce mansion type housing, and housing in the Ishgard area. These two are being developed in parallel, but in order to meet everyone’s demand, we will implement the mansion-type housing as a first priority. Currently it’s being planned that one mansion will be able to hold 512 residences. As for gardening, we think this will be difficult, but we’re currently developing new pots that will allow gardening, so please look forward to this.

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Originally Posted by Cherzy

A: We'll be increasing the number of plots for existing housing areas in Patch 3.3. After we expand those areas, we'll add apartment-style housing in Ishgard areas afterwards, starting with one apartment-style building which will hold about 512 residences. We’re also planning to make chocobo stables available for use to residents of apartment-style housing. Gardening patches are still proving somewhat difficult, but we’re currently developing new “planter pots” that will allow gardening.

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Originally Posted by Niwashi

But it's also possible the apartments will be bigger to make them a more equivalent alternative to private houses (although they won't have an exterior like houses do).

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Do you honestly believe that this shit show of housing, if personal rooms were anything more then re-purposed FC rooms or worse that they would have said. We have surely entered the 1.0 ARR era of communication.

They have had since DEC 25th to make a statement about flipping. Wait for it fail. They have repeatedly added out door furniture to events, no out door instanced space. Wait for it I think that is fail two. They refused to overhaul gardening to make it even for people with instanced housing and those with out. I believe that would also be a fail? I could go on.

I personally don't have anything against you. I just don't understand how people can even hint that they are doing anything but failing in a backwards direction.

SE I think has done the worst housing I've seen in an MMO yet

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Originally Posted by Stormrider

Do you honestly believe that this shit show of housing, if personal rooms were anything more then re-purposed FC rooms or worse that they would have said. We have surely entered the 1.0 ARR era of communication.

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I didn't say I thought that was likely, only that we didn't have any clear information on it, and that the assumption that it's re-purposed FC housing is just guesswork from players who haven't been given any more information about it than that there will be 512 apartments per apartment building (and initially only one apartment building apparently). It could be the same or it could be different. We just don't really know yet. I wanted to point out the speculation about it most likely being re-purposed Private Chambers while also pointing out that that part is just speculation, though I was trying to keep the rest of the post factual.

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Originally Posted by Stormrider

They have had since DEC 25th to make a statement about flipping. Wait for it fail. They have repeatedly added out door furniture to events, no out door instanced space. Wait for it I think that is fail two. They refused to overhaul gardening to make it even for people with instanced housing and those with out. I believe that would also be a fail? I could go on.

I personally don't have anything against you. I just don't understand how people can even hint that they are doing anything but failing in a backwards direction.

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I've never suggested that SE hasn't made a huge number of horrible design decisions with the housing system, the root of all of them being that they apparently never considered the number of players they have when they designed it in the first place. Then even after it was out and clear that it was nowhere near adequate, they continued adding more and more features for which a house is necessary, even while the bulk of their player-base didn't have access to one. As for the house-flipping problem, SE should have just updated the software to make that impossible as soon as the practice started exacerbating the shortage issue. (All it would take to get rid of it is a delay before a relinquished plot goes back up for sale.)

But at least they're finally starting to work on it. Another problem they initially had was failing to recognize that not everyone stays with an MMO indefinitely, and that many houses would naturally go vacant with time. But they did go back and fix that one. Now they're trying to add more housing to rectify the shortage problems. This patch alone they added another 720 houses, bringing us to 2160. Next patch we'll get another 512 (albeit more limited ones). After that, if the Ishgard housing area gets as many wards as the others have already, that'll be another 720. That'd get us up to 3392. That may still not be quite ideal for some of the more populated servers, but it's almost an order of magnitude of improvement over the 360 houses we started with when the feature was released.

Just because a system has problems (even a lot of problems) doesn't mean that nothing's being done.