Translations (JP to English)

Actually, nope. Reinheart has done a great job providing this thread, not gonna feed ya, further derailing his effort.

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Originally Posted by LateReg

I don't think people realize how disappointed they'll be when Chocobos finally drop. It'll be more of a "oh, so why wasn't this in from launch again?" type of feeling.

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

You seem so displeased with the game yet continue to stick around.

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LoL really? At no point does it seem in his post that he's displeased with the game. How excited were people to get sidequests? How excited were they to get nm's?

My point is that we're really excited to see Chocobo's but given the track record all of us may end up disappointed in how they're implemented.

Rage on w/o thinking first.

Thank you for great work!

Thank you!!

Would be cool to have leves or quests that have you actually defended Chocobo transports, or airships from raiders.

I'm excited for a quest to unlock chocobos hopefully, even if they release quest before chocobos are released. Hopefully it isn't waiting 8 hours in Uldah. :/ for those of you Vanadiel'ites.

You could cut off an hour if you start the quest a minute before the clock reset in-game. Once it hit 00:00 you could feed the chocobo again :O

We have same thread in the NA side about switching linkshell chat and JP side also asked about having 4 chat widget windows instead of having tabs (or with tabs on all 4 window) and got Rep response so here's translation for that one.

Original Thread Link: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/15311

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Originally Posted by Foxclon

こんにちは。
Hello,

ログウィジェットを4つにしてほしいというご意見を開発チームに伝えたところ、実は開発環境で試してみたことがあるものの、壮絶に処理が重くなり実用には耐えられないという判断から、現在はこの機能を封印している状態であるという経緯があるものでした。
I checked with the dev team for the suggestion for making 4 chat log widgets, in development environment they have already tested this actually, and it causes heavy processing and will not work for actual, due to that reason they have stopped for now.

今後実装できるよう対応を行っていくということも確認してきましたが、実装するためにはベースの設計からして見直す必要があるため、ある程度長期的な対応となる見込みです。
In future they are still planning to try and implement this feature but to make this work they have to look over the whole base structure and will take a while.

また、LSチャットについても合わせて対応していく予定があるとのことです。
Also, they have plans to check (correspond) for others LS Chat (most likely meaning switching LS feature, etc)

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wow another fault blamed on the processing/core system.

Seriously needs to be binned, SE cant develop for crap, sorry im so blunt but im tired of how armature they are, go hire some skilled professionals who know what they are doing SE!

FUNNY asked on the JP side about how will the recipe change for crafter's and Rep responded so here goes.

Original Thread Link: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/13734

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Originally Posted by Triairy

皆さん、こんばんは。
Good Evening Everyone,

全レシピ改修にてレシピがどのように変更になるかプロデューサーの吉 田に情報をもらいにいったところ、「パッチ1.18のQAが落ち着いたらどのようにレシピが変わるかサンプルも出しながら紹介します！」とのことでしたの で、今しばらく情報をお待ちいただければと思います。
I have checked with Yoshida Producer on how all the recipe are being planned to be changed, he responded "We will show how the recipe will change by showing samples once 1.18 patch QA is settles down". Please wait little bit more for more information.

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Originally Posted by viion

wow another fault blamed on the processing/core system.

Seriously needs to be binned, SE cant develop for crap, sorry im so blunt but im tired of how armature they are, go hire some skilled professionals who know what they are doing SE!

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It's pretty unbelievable, but that's what you get for outsourcing everything to China on one of your flagship titles.

/controvertial

Clock asked for what reason was the forum thread close option taken away; here's the Rep's response for that one, didn't translate directly since it's not that important.

Original Thread Link: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/15193

This one basically responding to a question clock asked about why they removed the thread close option in the forums as it was good for the OP to sum up the talk within the thread and lock. I think was good for stopping stupid trolls posting and people fighting back in the thread... but anyways for now they took away the feature to close the thread and see how it goes; they believe if the thread topic isn't important it will automatically fall back through pages and be forgotten. Depending on our feedback they may bring back the feature in the future.

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Originally Posted by Foxclon

こんにちは。

スレッドのクローズの件ですが、削除ができた時期と同じように「意図せずクローズされてしまって困る」という声をそれなりに頂いたため、ひとまずクローズできないように変更しました。一旦これでしばらく様子を見る予定です。

このフォーラムの特性上、本当に誰にも必要とされなくなったスレッドであれば、自然と下がっていって目に止まらなくなるという性質のものですから、上手く行くと良いと考えていますが、実際の動きや皆さんからのフィードバックを踏まえ、必要があれば今後変更していきます。

実際にご利用の上、どうにも使いづらいなどありましたら、今後もお知らせください。

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Originally Posted by viion

wow another fault blamed on the processing/core system.

Seriously needs to be binned, SE cant develop for crap, sorry im so blunt but im tired of how armature they are, go hire some skilled professionals who know what they are doing SE!

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Show me another game where the UI is server-side, and where there are 4 chat logs available.

It's a design issue, but from a programming standpoint there is nothing amateur about this. Which is why the designers were kicked out of the dev process.

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Originally Posted by viion

wow another fault blamed on the processing/core system.

Seriously needs to be binned, SE cant develop for crap, sorry im so blunt but im tired of how armature they are, go hire some skilled professionals who know what they are doing SE!

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Which is why SE flopped in the 80s and 90s, yes?

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

Which is why SE flopped in the 80s and 90s, yes?

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...Which has absolutely nothing to do with the developers that are there now. Do you think all of the same developers that were there in the 80s and 90s are the ones still developing the games now or something?

Anyway, thanks again for the translations, Reinheart! :D

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Which is why SE flopped in the 80s and 90s, yes?

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Originally Posted by Chrees

...Which has absolutely nothing to do with the developers that are there now. Do you think all of the same developers that were there in the 80s and 90s are the ones still developing the games now or something?

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Not going to go too far on this on this thread since it's for translation purpose (start a new one if you want to go all in on this lol) but from my personal experience from trying to get inside Square-Enix (for 8 years) they wont hire you if you think you want to make Final Fantasy; also if you look at SE's (dunno English side but Japanese) for programmers, engineers all the positions are contract workers; it's not permanent position... Now with current economy situation, those with family, need to pay the bills... contract workers isn't really going to work. You will most likely not see that much great guys working for contract, unless they get changed to permanent position later.

Also they got a awesome person (CEO from what I remember) stating in a old JP gaming magazine interview (forgot online or actual magazine, probably online) but they said to lower cost they don't use QA/actual testers and make the players become the tester. I clearly remember that statement because it pissed me off so much. Now since YoshiP said QA in his post, most likely they realized testers are actually required for online games also, look at release of this game, if they had QA and that was the product that was approved by the QA something was definitely wrong with QA; My guess is there was none during FFXIV alpha, beta, open beta and on original release date, after the big hit from player feedback and stock market dropping they probably realized they have to fix it to keep their brand name title Final Fantasy.

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Originally Posted by Reinheart

but they said to lower cost they don't use QA/actual testers and make the players become the tester.

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For a company that tries to lower costs, they sure do waste a ton of money.

They have to have testers especially for console releases. If they didn't all the games would be riddled with bugs. Nowadays you can release a patch to fix things, but before the PS3 generation there's no way they could have released a game without testing it thoroughly.

very interesting. i guess its worth a peek in the jp forums too ^^

Kaikun asked started a thread about showing godsend icon while crafting in cases where you forget what godsend you just used, how many turns you have left before the godsend wears off.

Another posted to show the end result item you're currently crafting; and another to show what the effect is for the god send on screen + also making it easier to select the godsend without scrolling down every time.

Original Thread Link: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/14763

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Originally Posted by Foxclon

こんにちは。
Hello,

製作中にゴッドセンドが発動中かどうかログを見ないと確認できない件について、アイコンなどによる可視化をおこなってほしいというご意見を開発チームにしっかりと届けてきました！今後もフィードバックよろしくお願いします。
I have delivered the suggestion about making it possible to also show current active godsend with a icon instead of checking the log every time while crafting! Please keep up with the feed backs.

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I hope Foxclon mentioned the easier method to select the godsend to the devs (probably did) aside from just the icon :D

Enmity Question

Marc started a thread asking players to post their concerns regarding the new enmity system and we got Rep/Dev response so here goes.

Original Thread Link: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/15112

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Originally Posted by Connect!On_006

パッチ１．１８ではオートアタックに加え、敵視のアルゴリズムもすべて変更する。FF11の敵対心のような"揮発型"ではなく、"加算型"の敵視システムになる。具体的には、モンスターを占有してからバトル終了まで敵視は積み上げられていく事になる。
In patch 1.18 along with auto attack, enmity/hate algorithm will all be changed. Unlike FF11's enmity system, it will be addition system. Basically the enmity will keep gaining while claiming the monster. (no subtraction)

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これを受けて、少し疑問に思う事があります。
After reading this I had some concerns.

揮発でない事を利用して、ＢＯＳＳ戦などターゲットを盾に確実に固定したい状況では、盾以外の全員でケアルシャワーをする事で各自の敵視を分散、盾への敵視が溜まった所で参戦みたいな事が戦術として確立されるんではないかと想像します。
Using this type of system people may come up with strategy for boss battles where you want to make the hate fixed to the tank during boss battles, having the tank gain hate while rest wait in the back and aoe curing everyone to split the hate, once hate on tank is enough starting the battle.

また、加算型の問題として、盾が沈んでしまった場合は、他のメンバーの敵視蓄積量に追いつくには、相当な時間を要する場合もあるわけで、このあたりの仕様がどうなっているのか気になるところです。
Another problem with this addition system, when the tank dies (for the tank) to get back to the same hate amount as other members might take a while, how is this going to be addressed is my concern.

仮に、死亡時に敵視のリセットが無い仕様だとしても問題があると思います。
もし、敵視のリセットがない場合は、盾はレイズを受けてもなお、敵視リストのトップにある事から、すぐさま敵の追い討ちを受ける事になります。
Even if there was no hate reset when dying I think there is a problem
If there was no hate reset, when the tank receives raise (resurrect), since he/she is on top of the enmity list, he/she will get attacked right away.

挑発系のアビリティの存在意義について
敵視は常に加算されるというならば、挑発系のアビリティは、リキャスト毎に使った方が、トータルの蓄積量から見れば正解のような気がします。リキャストを 余すと言う事は、戦闘時間の長さから見て稼げていない事になると思います。つまり、挑発系のアビリティの使い所という意味で存在が薄れてくるような気がし ます。
The reason for having provoking like abilities
If the system is going to be addition system like above, provoking like abilities should be used every time when recast is possible to control overall accumulation. If it becomes like it lessons the purpose on when to use the provoke (since you're just spamming whenever available.)

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Putting this one up since it has 8 like buttons so far when posting this.
I never played WoW myself (can't stand the graphics although all my friends play it) so correct me if this part is wrong.

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Originally Posted by Nanja

WoWの場合だと挑発には以下の二つの効果があります。
In WoW there are two effects for provoke

１．一定時間敵視に関係なく挑発使用者にターゲットを固定するdebuffをつける
２．挑発使用者の敵視の量を現在最も敵視を稼いでいる人のものと同じにする
1. Putting a debuff on the people using provoke to lock the target.
2. Making those who can provoke to make same enmity level as the player with most enmity/hate.

敵視の上昇量はほとんどない、ってのがミソですね。WoWにおいて挑発はリキャスト毎に使うものではなく、盾交代時や敵視がそれてしまった等の緊急時に使うものになっているわけです。この仕様丸々パクッちゃってもいいんじゃないかな！
The problem is there is no limit to amount of enmity gained. In WoW provoke isn't something you use every time when recast is possible, it's used when changing tanks or when enmity/hate moves as emergency. I think it's OK to take this whole idea!

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Originally Posted by Triairy

皆さん、こんばんは。
Good Evening Everyone,

盾に十分敵視が溜まるまで、他のパーティメンバーは周辺で待機という戦法が可能になってしまうのではないかという点について松井に話を聞いてきました。
I have asked Matsui if its possible to have situations where the while the tank is gaining hate, having other party members on standby.

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Originally Posted by Matsui

その懸念は開発チームでも考えています。現状では盾の性能が優秀であるためそのような戦闘になってしまう可能性はあります。ただし今回は改修の第一弾にな り、今後も敵視関連のアクションの調整、敵視コントロールの調整は行っていきます。まずは実際にプレイしていただき、今後もフォーラムでフィードバックを お願いします。
The dev team also has the same anxiety regarding this. Currently the tanks skills are good and the that type of battle might be possible. But this is the first change and in later we will make adjustments to hate related actions, hate control adjustments. Please try it out first and keep us informed with feedback through the forums.

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とのことでした。引き続きフィードバックをお願いします！
Please continue to give feedbacks!

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Continues from last post, not Rep response so not going to post on OP just thought this was a good comment/suggestion.

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Originally Posted by CruruObliviate

　
モンスター側で対応する方向もあると思う。
I think it can be adjusted from the monsters side too.

敵視関連のPC側の調整がある程度落ち着けば、当然モンスター側の行動やWSなどで特殊な効果(ヘイトリセット技)などの実装も検討されるでしょう。
Once the PC side hate adjustments are settles, their should definitely be monster side actions, WS that resets the hate.
　
　加算型の仕組みには、単体でみると問題点もここで多く出ているようにあるとおもいます。ですが、バトルシステム全体で調整を考えていけば、よりタクティカルな戦闘を演出できる要素だと私は考えます。
When looking at the addition (accumulating) system by itself it can be take as how everyone is stating on this thread. But I believe looking at battle system as a whole, it's possible to perform more tactical battle.

　たとえば、挑発すると暴走する敵がいたり、一定以上の敵視を稼いだメンバーがいる場合、強力な範囲技を発動したり・・・考えられる仕組みはいくらでもつくれると思います。
For example, when provoking having a mob that goes berserk (go crazy), once a player gains enough hate/enmity mob using a strong AOE... can think of many different things.

　ただ単にPC側の調整や一部のアビリティーの強弱を問題視するのではなく、モンスターの行動AIも含めたバトルシステム全体としての敵視をより面白いものにしていくための議論がもたれることが建築的だと考えます。[
Not just adjusting the PC side's abilities by strengthening or weakening but making it more interesting by remodeling the monsters action AI, and battle system.

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I agree with his point, all this enmity stuff doesn't have to be made by player abilities adjustments but having ways like he explained should resolve other issues that may arise with this new enmity system. Pretty sure dev team is smart enough and already has this in plan but it's good someone actually pointed it out since no one was talking about this on the JP thread.

I am very concerned about this enmity thing now, especially that once a tank dies, hes pretty much useless unless provoke or other skills Glad has is insanely overpowered which would just make the enmity system redudent.

All this delay to "Balance" things and ensure Quality Control and then when it comes it will need more fixing, be unbalanced, be a disaster and everyone going to get very angry again.

SE are not thinking things through.

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All this delay to "Balance" things and ensure Quality Control and then when it comes it will need more fixing, be unbalanced, be a disaster and everyone going to get very angry again.

SE are not thinking things through.

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Expecting design to be perfect right out of the door is too much asked. Quality control means getting rid of bugs. At the end of the day, as long as the design is only slightly off it's going right as planned. We are here to help them take care of the details, but they themselves need to get the big picture right. No developer is perfect, but perfection can be attained with good use of external assistance.

There will be design issues regardless, but instead of thinking too much about the details by themselves they are making us do the work for them. It is significantly more efficient that way.

Honestly, I prefer the WoW method of taunts only being used for emergencies/tank swaps instead of a continual hate-builder, but I suppose that's personal preference. Regardless, truly accumulative hate shouldn't be bad provided classes have ways to drop aggro, either permanently or temporarily, ensuring that a tank could catch up if something goes wrong. However, if other classes don't have a detaunt of some kind, and tanks don't have a WoW-style "oh shit" taunt to quickly re-establish aggro, things might get very ugly, very fast.

But then, maybe that's the point.

Wow I don't know what to say about the latest news. I really thought SE had learned from it's mistakes and decided to use a hate system that they've done before and seen to work.

While I appreciate their willingness to innovate I didn't think they'd risk screwing it up the second time around. Well let's hope for the best when this thing arrives.

I've never played WoW so I cannot use any form of experience from its hate system.

It just seems to me that the idea of having a built up hate is a very bad idea, as stated by the concerned posters. My vision is fighting an NM, tank is owning/tanking and holding like a pro and spamming all his voke abilities and what not (come on this is an FF game, we're all used to spamming voke and such that wont change) and having this insane hate count that maybe the mob suddenly 1shots him or silences the casters or some other unfortunate circumstance that the tank dies, lost 7 minutes of hate while everyone else still has all that hate. And he also has to spend 3 minutes doing nothing while weakened plus the time delay of being ressed, this could lead to 10-12 minutes of hate to catch up, which just sounds absolutely ridiculous lol it makes absolute no sense.

Even if he lost only half, he would be on par of the lowest hate gainers, maybe some laid back healer and while weakened this is not good but it could create some tension (or well force the player to stand their idling for 3 mins), but still even when weakened he has to gain it all back and it will be very tough to pull back the hate because as he is trying to catch up everyone else's hate is just moving forward.

Its like having pit stops in the middle of a drag race lol.

If the system is in WoW and/or other games and seems to work, then I guess I'm just not looking at it from the right perspective and will have to wait until I can get my hands on it before judging.

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Expecting design to be perfect right out of the door is too much asked. Quality control means getting rid of bugs. At the end of the day, as long as the design is only slightly off it's going right as planned. We are here to help them take care of the details, but they themselves need to get the big picture right. No developer is perfect, but perfection can be attained with good use of external assistance.

There will be design issues regardless, but instead of thinking too much about the details by themselves they are making us do the work for them. It is significantly more efficient that way.

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You're right, but it could be argued that if this is their intention (to deliver us an idea and have us work out the kinks), then why the F dont we have a separate test server? This is why MMOs have test servers, so the community can help test the freshest content out and provide live feedback straight to the dev's emails.

FFXI got one, here's to hoping they are working on one for FFXIV. =|

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You're right, but it could be argued that if this is their intention (to deliver us an idea and have us work out the kinks), then why the F dont we have a separate test server? This is why MMOs have test servers, so the community can help test the freshest content out and provide live feedback straight to the dev's emails.

FFXI got one, here's to hoping they are working on one for FFXIV. =|

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Yes, I hope they end up making one as well. However, I hope they make it so that characters on that server only are free to make, but you can only have one (to prevent an overload of new characters). I mean, if I have to pay the extra for a character on the test server, I will. It'd be nice to see what's in the making for the real servers.

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Originally Posted by Ava

You're right, but it could be argued that if this is their intention (to deliver us an idea and have us work out the kinks), then why the F dont we have a separate test server? This is why MMOs have test servers, so the community can help test the freshest content out and provide live feedback straight to the dev's emails.

FFXI got one, here's to hoping they are working on one for FFXIV. =|

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The devs/reps already commented on this (don't remember whether we got a translation for it though) but in a nutshell this game's internal build has not and will not be in a shape to be tested for some time to come. For a test server to work the game has to be actually functional, and this game has not been so.

Imagine this: you have a non-existant hate system that is being changed from the very core. It is all over the place. How do you go about testing it? How can you give proper feedback when it doesn't function even on the basic level?

Now imagine the same, except this time every stat algorithm is the same way.

As far as AA goes, how do you test the game when the AA is out of sync with the server? What if there is no actual AA mechanic, you are still using stamina bar, but the server already functions as if AA was implemented? There are so many variables to this, and they would all have to work across the globe at all stages in development; otherwise you couldn't fight anything.

Lastly, imagine all of this together. You can't test them separately because they belong together. They only make sense together. AA, new stats, damage algorithms, enmity, materia system, dungeons, server architechture, item renovations, graphical adjustments. It's all just a big mess and most importantly there are only 3 stages to their development:

1) it doesn't function, untestable.
2) it functions properly, but the design is slightly off. Implement to live servers.
3) collect feedback, work out the design issues. Flesh the system out.

So at the end of the day, at this point it doesn't matter whether there is a single test server or whether every current server acts as one. When all this content becomes functional, it is implemented to be tested externally (the earliest point at which it even can be tested).

This isn't just a new raid instance, or an event, or an additional gameplay feature on top of the basic features (those are the things that test servers are used for- testing additional layers on top of the foundation).

Once we get to the point when features like AH, battle regimens, UI additions and content become the dev team's primary focus (in other words, additional layers on top of the existing foundation), a test server can be created as well.

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It just seems to me that the idea of having a built up hate is a very bad idea, as stated by the concerned posters. My vision is fighting an NM, tank is owning/ tanking and holding like a pro and spamming all his voke abilities and what not (come on this is an FF game, we're all used to spamming voke and such that wont change) and having this insane hate count that maybe the mob suddenly 1shots him or silences the casters or some other unfortunate circumstance that the tank dies, lost 7 minutes of hate while everyone else still has all that hate. And he also has to spend 3 minutes doing nothing while weakened plus the time delay of being ressed, this could lead to 10-12 minutes of hate to catch up, which just sounds absolutely ridiculous lol it makes absolute no sense.

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It's pretty simple: you just lost the fight. If it's good game design the bosses won't be so cheap. In XI it was a-okay because stalling actually worked. Here you die, you suck, you lose.

I has a suggestion!

Give all tank jobs an AOE hate-steal, like Accomplice! Make it a 20 minute cool down, so it can't be spammed. Everyone in the area loses 20% of their hate towards the mob and goes to the tank. Then the tank needs to provoke his butt off.

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Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

It's pretty simple: you just lost the fight. If it's good game design the bosses won't be so cheap. In XI it was a-okay because stalling actually worked. Here you die, you suck, you lose.

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Most retarded logic ever.

What if you're tanking and all the healers just suddenly stop healing or get silenced and you too are silenced. I guess because silence prevents cure that means you suck, right?

What if there is an Odin who can 1shotsyou, guess that means you suck because of a legendary skill.

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Originally Posted by viion

Most retarded logic ever.

What if you're tanking and all the healers just suddenly stop healing or get silenced and you too are silenced. I guess because silence prevents cure that means you suck, right?

What if there is an Odin who can 1shotsyou, guess that means you suck because of a legendary skill.

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So basically the developers can't control the content they create, and balance it according to the rules of their MMORPG?

It can't get any simpler than this: A) the developers are incompetent and create encounters in which you can get killed off by something you can't predict, while not giving you any chance to recover. Or B) the developers create cues for the player to be able to prevent getting silenced or killed at which point it comes down to skill, not luck. If you get silenced in such case, yes, you suck.

You act as if this game is some unholy beast the developers can't fully control. But I won't call that logic retarded; everyone can make their own assumptions.

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Quote Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah View Post
It's pretty simple: you just lost the fight. If it's good game design the bosses won't be so cheap. In XI it was a-okay because stalling actually worked. Here you die, you suck, you lose.

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Gonna have to agree with this i always hated that people threw tanks at mobs they could not beat in XI always pissed me off seeing a ls with 7 tanks and they are just rotating death.

One thing i like about XIV is other battle classes don't get 2 shoted like in XI so i can see a pug or mrd holding off hate for a while. Also if a tanked is raised and wants to get hate back while resting you should help cure.

So now in order to help reduce deaths they will have to dumb everything down to the point where you can just go solo them, like every current damn NM. So no I dont think SE can "control" it because so far they just keep ruining things and removing any form of "Challenge".

Saying someone sucks just because they get an accidently silence or something is just stupid, its just being elitist which SE doesn't want nore care for. And neither do I, I play to have fun.

If a tank can just build up stock piles of hate then the mages dont need to fret a thing, can spam cure like crazy like we currently do. Dont need to think about strategy or being cautious just cure cure cure cure cure, because the tank will always have more enmity.

You really think SE is going to let you just get to end of a dungeon and then if your tank slips up or lag or dc or maybe healer gets hit by an AOE its all game over? I doubt it. There will have to be a way to let tanks gain that enmity back.

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Originally Posted by viion

So now in order to help reduce deaths they will have to dumb everything down to the point where you can just go solo them, like every current damn NM. So no I dont think SE can "control" it because so far they just keep ruining things and removing any form of "Challenge".

Saying someone sucks just because they get an accidently silence or something is just stupid, its just being elitist which SE doesn't want nore care for. And neither do I, I play to have fun.

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If you fail to meet the expected level of skill required for a given encounter, you deserve to lose. I doubt anyone intentionally gets silenced or killed, but who knows!

When you are given a timeframe in which you have to act while not having a way to recover, instead of not having any sort of cue at all, that's what you call "dumbing down the game" and "removing challenge".

The alternative is making it so players will get killed off cheaply, but also allow for a way to recover. That's a shitty way of making an encounter a "challenge". Simple as that.

You should have just said "saying someone sucks just because they fail at playing the game is just stupid". That gets your point across nicely.

When you first go in, clueless of the mob, you're going to die. Thus you suck.

I cant even be bothered talking with you no more, turning this game into a fucking elitist anal fashion. But I'm happy SE don't want that and are sticking to making things more for the enjoyable purposes. I like to play games for fun not work for them, and SE know this and so I have no reason to argue with you much as I doubt they will make it so if your tank dies its game-over. Not everyone is into that. Some people like to just have fun.

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Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

The devs/reps already commented on this (don't remember whether we got a translation for it though) but in a nutshell this game's internal build has not and will not be in a shape to be tested for some time to come. For a test server to work the game has to be actually functional, and this game has not been so.

Imagine this: you have a non-existant hate system that is being changed from the very core. It is all over the place. How do you go about testing it? How can you give proper feedback when it doesn't function even on the basic level?

Now imagine the same, except this time every stat algorithm is the same way.

As far as AA goes, how do you test the game when the AA is out of sync with the server? What if there is no actual AA mechanic, you are still using stamina bar, but the server already functions as if AA was implemented? There are so many variables to this, and they would all have to work across the globe at all stages in development; otherwise you couldn't fight anything.

Lastly, imagine all of this together. You can't test them separately because they belong together. They only make sense together. AA, new stats, damage algorithms, enmity, materia system, dungeons, server architechture, item renovations, graphical adjustments. It's all just a big mess and most importantly there are only 3 stages to their development:

1) it doesn't function, untestable.
2) it functions properly, but the design is slightly off. Implement to live servers.
3) collect feedback, work out the design issues. Flesh the system out.

So at the end of the day, at this point it doesn't matter whether there is a single test server or whether every current server acts as one. When all this content becomes functional, it is implemented to be tested externally (the earliest point at which it even can be tested).

This isn't just a new raid instance, or an event, or an additional gameplay feature on top of the basic features (those are the things that test servers are used for- testing additional layers on top of the foundation).

Once we get to the point when features like AH, battle regimens, UI additions and content become the dev team's primary focus (in other words, additional layers on top of the existing foundation), a test server can be created as well.



It's pretty simple: you just lost the fight. If it's good game design the bosses won't be so cheap. In XI it was a-okay because stalling actually worked. Here you die, you suck, you lose.

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I think you're confused. What you explained would not be a public test server, that kind of stuff is tested internally, for the exact reasons you stated. Public test servers are so the community can test the finished ideas/products as soon as they are functional. Instead of pushing enmity changes into a live environment, a test server would ensure that it is tested, feedback is collected, then fine tune adjustments can be made before it goes live for the world to see. As it stands right now, they push it live for the world to see, then admit their mistake when people don't like it, and backpedal. This is why people are so frustrated with this game right now.

There needs to be a test environment. Dungeons should not go live before community testing, game changing mechanics should not go live before community testing. They are leaving us in the dark and we have no way of giving Square any kind of constructive feedback until the walls are already painted.

It's like if you're making a dinner for a group of people but you're inexperienced (I think SE has oddly proved their lack of experience, especially with Yoshi-P) with cooking, you put something together and taste it. But unless you have a proven good taste (Square doesn't), you'll probably want a second outside opinion before sending your dinner out to a bunch of people. It sure would suck to make that dinner and find out the meat wasn't done well enough for half the people or something, wouldn't it?

Can't predict?!? LOL read the freaking chat log, and turn off some of your filters. If you wipe to impish incantation at a lower rank, the one with the most amount of chat filters off saw that the imp was readying impish incantation. The wipe moves never come out of no where. You can see mobs casting!

I have not played for a while but Impish incantation fires off rather quickly IIRC.