I want 2.2 to be a "reset" for players in full i90 gear. Make Turn 6 a distant goal.

To be honest, I don't think they can tune the ilevel up much more than it already is without ruining any future level cap increases. As it is i95 is already REALLY high for level 50 gear, it means any content that comes out for new levels will be forced to have gear drops at least i100 or higher, or players simply won't do it. It also means new content will have to be tuned for people with max endgame gear or it will be a faceroll. I can already imagine how bad it will be after the first level cap increase, when a new player dings 51 on their first class and finds out all the content they have to do requires they stop everything and farm coil for 4 months.

When there's a level cap expansion, tuning the new content for endgame-geared players is a totally bonehead move.

Say some months after the 2.3 patch, Square bumps the level cap to 55 (which would be smart, a big bump would be silly) with the first expansion pack. The smart thing to do would be to balance the leveling content from 50 to 55 for item level 55-65. The level cap dungeons (4-player) should be tuned for 65-70, dropping item level 85 (just how WP dropped i55) and i90 (just how AK dropped i60). The first batch of Full Party content ought to be tuned for i90 average, which means that those of us who are bleeding-edge through the entire level 50 endgame should have a slight advantage in the first round of raids, with the bulk of the playerbase catching up quickly.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by synaesthetic

When there's a level cap expansion, tuning the new content for endgame-geared players is a totally bonehead move.

Say some months after the 2.3 patch, Square bumps the level cap to 55 (which would be smart, a big bump would be silly) with the first expansion pack. The smart thing to do would be to balance the leveling content from 50 to 55 for item level 55-65. The level cap dungeons (4-player) should be tuned for 65-70, dropping item level 85 (just how WP dropped i55) and i90 (just how AK dropped i60). The first batch of Full Party content ought to be tuned for i90 average, which means that those of us who are bleeding-edge through the entire level 50 endgame should have a slight advantage in the first round of raids, with the bulk of the playerbase catching up quickly.

---

Which would nullify the point of CT and DL, congrats you just destroyed half the content in the game, yay!

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Zumi

Item level and equip able level are different things. They are just numbers level 60 gear or whatever the new cap is could start at ilvl 200. This is just a number it doesn't really matter.

---

Unsure if high or no idea how ilevel works. -_-

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Kiroh

To be honest, I don't think they can tune the ilevel up much more than it already is without ruining any future level cap increases. As it is i95 is already REALLY high for level 50 gear, it means any content that comes out for new levels will be forced to have gear drops at least i100 or higher, or players simply won't do it. It also means new content will have to be tuned for people with max endgame gear or it will be a faceroll. I can already imagine how bad it will be after the first level cap increase, when a new player dings 51 on their first class and finds out all the content they have to do requires they stop everything and farm coil for 4 months.

---

Item level and equip able level are different things. They are just numbers level 60 gear or whatever the new cap is could start at ilvl 200. This is just a number it doesn't really matter.

I think patch 2.2 :

New Mytho : AF2 level 110.
Turn 6+ : level 110.
New boss trials : level 100.
CT (2.25 or 2.3) : level 100.
Philo tome exchange : level 90 (current mytho gear)
Philo crafted item : level 90 (new craft gear)
Hard mode dungeon : level 80
New dungeon : level 70

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Kiroh

Unsure if high or no idea how ilevel works. -_-

---

I don't think you get how it works. When a level cap raise happens. The item level of 51+ gear will be higher then anything that was equipable at 50. Say the last raid at level 50 gives you ilvl 200 gear, then the first piece of 51 equipable gear will be 201+. This is exactly how it woked in every other mmo with ilvls. Your quest gear while leveling up to the new cap beats out any previous raid gear that was at the old cap.

This is called a gear reset that almost always happens when the level cap is raised.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Kiroh

Which would nullify the point of CT and DL, congrats you just destroyed half the content in the game, yay!

---

Actually, Yoshida designed it this way on purpose. FFXIV is a "vertical progression" MMO. That automatically means content will become obsolete, especially when the level cap is increased.

No way around it without completely redesigning the game from the ground up.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Zumi

I don't think you get how it works. When a level cap raise happens. The item level of 51+ gear will be higher then anything that was equipable at 50. Say the last raid at level 50 gives you ilvl 200 gear, then the first piece of 51 equipable gear will be 201+. This is exactly how it woked in every other mmo with ilvls. Your quest gear while leveling up to the new cap beats out any previous raid gear that was at the old cap.

---

Uhm... no. This would create absurdly ridiculous levels of power creep. We all saw what happened when Blizzard did this with Cataclysm. HP pools went from 25-30k to 120k+.

Properly done for a vertical progression game, the drops of the new expansion's very first raid should be equal to the power level of the drops from the previous endgame's most difficult raids.

It will be better if
new bahamut floor >> ilev 100
New token >> ilev 95

I don't understand why people who can't finish the best pve content should be rewarded with the best items.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Wolf_Gang

Remember what is was like to hit Lv50 for the first time?

---

Eh..that was wayyyy back in 2010...

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Wolf_Gang

Remember what is was like to hit Lv50 for the first time? Blah blah blah and the annoying use of the word "tombstones" instead of the ACTUAL word which is "tomestones".
Seriously, the word is RIGHT on your screen and you read it daily.

---

Not a chance. Not. One. Chance. You don't erase gear progression during a patch. What you're wanting is what comes with an expansion and level increase, not with a patch. It's just not happening.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Ri_ri

Did you notice that the average item level has four slots, and our HP bars have space for 3 more digits?

---

Part of that is because it's a LOT easier to program in unnecessary stuff like that now than to have to recode the game later to handle larger numbers. If you ever saw how badly they rigged the FFXI code to handle that kind of stuff after a while you'd understand. Besides a Warrior in higher item levels now can probably break 10k health with Thrill of Battle active let alone when better gear surfaces, but it's mostly to prevent having to jump that hurdle in the future.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Wolf_Gang

Agreed. Not only do they need to reserve ilvs for the next CT
but they'll need space to fit in the new crafted gear as well as gear drops from the new dungeons.

---

If they add any crafted gear it should most likely be ilvl 80-85, and SE has already drilled it home that there will NEVER be a BiS crafted item to minimize RMT exploitation. New Tower gear will most likely be ilvl 90 since a tier of progression seems to be in increments of 10 (60, 70, 80, 90, etc.) lagging behind the current incarnation of Coil with occasional half-tier in increments of 5 like WP gear and Allagan weapons. It gives you 3 options of obtaining ilvl 90 (coil, tower, and myth tomes) to take on turns 6-10. Assuming they keep the stat weights even where a primary stat is an increase in small numbers then 10 item levels is completely sufficient to be an upgrade from T1-5 coil gear with some new 105 weapon on turn 10.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Raymeo

It takes four months to get full i90 in ONE job, of which we have access to NINE on each character.

---

Exactly. I have both Warrior and Paladin at 50 and I'm still gearing both of them while working on Monk. If you're a one-job-wonder then yeah, it's going to get stale and really, REALLY fast. That's all on you though, not SE.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by UllrHellfire

Insane FFXI nostalgia.

---

24-72 hour spawns that resulted in a zero-sum loot system are a horrible, HORRIBLE idea. Several linkshells never needed one drop from those NMs but still claimed them and killed them to sell the drops. If you couldn't afford their prices they just let them hit the floor, no sweat to them. What you're wanting is a gameplay that doesn't exist anymore and for very, VERY good reasons.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Kyana

I'd like to know why the SE left out a number of ilvl ranges like 60-70, 70-80 and 80-90.
Up to ilvl50 you have a lot of gear choices every 1-3 levels.
But before CT it was ilvl70 -> ilvl90 and nothing in between.
Now it's ilvl70-80 -> ilvl90. But because many players already had ilvl90 gear, the new ilvl80 stuff is pretty much useless to them.

---

Crystal tower was supposed to be in the game at launch of 2.0 but was held up for some reason or another. Were it in on time then level 50 would have gone in 10 item level tier increments starting at 60 for dungeons, 70 for darklight/crafted, 80 for tower, and 90 for coil/mythology. Half-tier increases of 5 item levels shouldn't be the norm, but WP was 55 and turn 5 dropped a 95 weapon. That's what happened to the other item levels.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Nadrojj

You need something to keep your hardcore players pacified.

---

Current end-game is what is provided for that purpose. When new stuff comes out then that's for them and everyone else gets an easier time at older content.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Zarzak

EQ and XI did just fine without gear resets.

---

EQ and XI worked on horizontal progression with smaller incremental improvements during large expansions. FFXI was 75-cap for how many years? And all that time there was minimal changes to some slots. HQ level 51 staves were still pretty much best in slot, HQ sky gear was still desired, Fafnir/Behemoth/Adamantoise and their HQ counterparts were perpetually on farm by LSs that didn't need any of the drops to make money, and a relic weapon was forever the last weapon you needed. Most gear provided in every expansion or patch on that game was either just useless or macro fodder. It got real old forever wearing a pair of Ochiudo's Kote and Fuma Kyahan because for over 40 levels there was nothing better in those slots.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Zarzak

When your 10 lvls above the old cap due to an expansion it makes the older raid content a lot easier and allows you to go in with a smaller force to grab the gear to do the newer content.

---

Maybe on another game, but you're forgetting entirely that this whole game is built around the technology of level sync. Crystal Tower, Coil, and even Odin/Behemoth will forever be synced to be level 50 content (or synced at most to level 52). Forever farming level 50 content as level 50 to take on level 60, 70, 80, etc. is asinine to say the least. Old content becomes old for a reason, it's just how everything works now in an MMO.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by silentwindfr

don't let FF14 become a stuff oriented game... Skill>stuff! that must stay true.

---

Every MMO is a "stuff oriented" game. The games that aren't stuff oriented are single-player console games.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by synaesthetic

The first batch of Full Party content ought to be tuned for i90 average, which means that those of us who are bleeding-edge through the entire level 50 endgame should have a slight advantage in the first round of raids, with the bulk of the playerbase catching up quickly.

---

No. That's part of what happened at the crossover between Burning Crusade and Wrath of the Lich King. Gear dropped in Sunwell was SO good that it was worn from 70-80, socketed with Wrath gems, and used to clear Naxxramas. And sometimes it wasn't just raid gear since some heroic slots were useable for over 5-7 levels in Wrath. It was bad. Very, very bad. That's one of the reasons why Wrath got the reputation of being too easy. When the level cap does increase you'll find your ilvl 90 stuff underwhelming very fast since this is a vertical progression MMO.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Zumi

I don't think you get how it works. When a level cap raise happens. The item level of 51+ gear will be higher then anything that was equipable at 50.

---

He's being kind of a jerk about it, but that's not how ilvl works. It is in the most simple of terms (newer levels have high ilvl gear) but that's not what the ilvl does. The item has its own level and quality that define the stat allocation to that item. An item with an ilvl of 60 will have less of all stats and a lower cap to those stats than a level 70 item. It's one of the reasons you can't socket materia to a HQ crafted ilvl 70 piece and bring the stats anywhere NEAR an ilvl 80 piece. Also given identical ilvl on items a purple will have higher stats than a blue, blue higher than a green, green higher than pink, and pinks higher than white.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by synaesthetic

Properly done for a vertical progression game, the drops of the new expansion's very first raid should be equal to the power level of the drops from the previous endgame's most difficult raids.

---

Properly done the drops of an expansions first raid should be significant enough to be an upgrade. That's why "green is the new purple" became a way of life. You had to replace your prevous gear and run the race in the first raids again later. It keeps the playerbase at equal footing at the start of an expansion's raid content.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Alise

I think patch 2.2 :

New Mytho : AF2 level 110.
Turn 6+ : level 110.
New boss trials : level 100.
CT (2.25 or 2.3) : level 100.
Philo tome exchange : level 90 (current mytho gear)
Philo crafted item : level 90 (new craft gear)
Hard mode dungeon : level 80
New dungeon : level 70

---

No more myth please.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by panzertroll

It will be better if
new bahamut floor >> ilev 100
New token >> ilev 95

I don't understand why people who can't finish the best pve content should be rewarded with the best items.

---

Can't finish =/= Can't win loot. Last week was the first time I ever won a coil drop. Won another this week, but yeah. Should being unlucky and not winning loot in content with weekly lockout stop you from having decent gear?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Lunavi

Can't finish =/= Can't win loot. Last week was the first time I ever won a coil drop. Won another this week, but yeah. Should being unlucky and not winning loot in content with weekly lockout stop you from having decent gear?

---

In that case only award new tokens from beating new coil turns.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Nova_Dresden

Properly done the drops of an expansions first raid should be significant enough to be an upgrade. That's why "green is the new purple" became a way of life. You had to replace your prevous gear and run the race in the first raids again later. It keeps the playerbase at equal footing at the start of an expansion's raid content.

---

Exactly this. It's designed so people aren't overgearing everything as soon as the level cap is raised. They want you to play for longer and make all the new content of an expansion/level cap raise relevant so they're essentially reseting everyone. When they raise the level cap you can expect the "trash WP/AK gear" to be better than what you got from the final coil turns of the lvl50 cap era and the highest tier gear to be close to or even beyond the ilvl 200 mark.

Anyway, in reponse to the OP complete resets like this are only really appropriate for big expansions and level cap raises, not for individual patches within that era of the game.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Alkimi

*words*

---

Do the words "power creep" mean anything to you at all? The reset always happens with the first raid at the new level cap. The gear dropped there is a step above the best gear dropped from the final raids in the previous tier. The dungeon stuff that the new players will be wearing from the new tier's 4-player content will be just a hair under whatever the old-guard raiders are wearing.

That's kind of the whole reason they call them tiers!

If the brand-spanking-new expansion content flat out requires you to farm Coil for weeks just to be geared enough to do it... you really didn't think this through, did you?

So yeah I quickly started to read and ... LMAO YOU SILLY GOOSE

The people clamoring for new stuff to kill are like less than 5% of the actual people at end game. Sure Twin has been killed more and more at the moment but I'd like to know how many unique kills there are total. I know my FC has 5 groups killing Twin weekly for a couple months now but of the servers out there there's maybe 3-5 FC's per server capable of accomplishing it? A good question is how many more kills are going to flood the average casual player to complete it in the first 3 months of 2.2 depending on whether or not there are any adjustments made to the fight in 2.2 to bring it up to the level to allow more players to see beyond the terror of Turn 5?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by synaesthetic

This suggestion would result in extreme power creep. No thank you. Coil Turns 6 through 10 should be dropping i95 and/or i100 gear, with the next addition to CT dropping i85 and/or i90 gear.

I'd appreciate, however, Pharos Sirius dropping i70 gear with different stats and appearance than darklight, and the new 2.2 dungeons dropping more i70 gear of the same vein.

---

Only if crafters get recipes for ilevel 80-85 gear

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Alkimi

In that case only award new tokens from beating new coil turns.

---

That I can agree with. Or having so that you have to beat the turns in coil to "unlock" the gear. Something that makes sure so that no one will get screwed for having bad luck. Esp in this lockout world.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by NeoAmon

Yeah, first time you go there with Ilvl90 you get stomped, 3-4 months later you are full ilvl120, same lvl as the bosses and you would be the one doing the stomping this time. It is the natural order and I would not have it any other way.

---

do you know any full team that went to coil with fullAK gear and garuda weapon? because that's what you're asking a 30lvlgap between gear and content.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Lecreuset

Ahh yes, The live letters that answer questions like..

Q: About how long will it take to complete a single beast tribe quest?

and

Q: How can we obtain PvP gear?

can't wait til more trivial questions get answered.

---

Please, Look Forward To It!

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Felis

Only if crafters get recipes for ilevel 80-85 gear

---

Actually I was hoping Square would get rid of the idea that crafting had to bridge tiers and just make equal crafted and raid tiers. So you'd have item level 80, 90 and (possibly) 100 crafted gear that's just as good as raid gear but requires materials dropped in CT, Coil et al in order to craft.

What they need to do is NOT HAND OUT WEAPONS SO EASILY, then content will be more challenging. Doing coil with relic +1 so easily attainable made it alot less challenging.

Another idea that they could implement is, CT2 and Coil2 both drop i100, except coil2 would only drop head/leg/feet/body, and CT2 would drop accessories. Then make new primals drop i100 weapon for example. That way the item level doesnt go up so high so quickly.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Wolf_Gang

That's no different from when you hit lv50. Item lv jumped 40 levels. I'm basically mimicking the same exact lv of progression with the new ilv scaled to match.

---

It's entirely different. The only way what you said could be similiar is if they increased ilvl and level of characters. Hitting 50 - when 50 WAS THE CAP; you're ilvl increase was only 10, then 20, etc etc. It was a slow increase. Not a ooop ding 50 ; now I get the i150 axe that dropped 5023423 times that I put into my armory because no one else could get it.

I think your missing the entire point of PROGRESSION.

Just chirping in even though I'm a noob in this particular game. I agree with increasing the difficulty of a fight mechanics "awareness". Not just making moves pop faster or so though, not fair to laggy regions, but making moves like twister where the game didn't straight out tell you how to beat it with too many hints. I'm not into hardcore raiding anymore because of life being busy, but I always enjoyed when games offered me a new challenge and not just repainted increased gear and mechanics(Forcing to grind easy to semi-easy places that just take time but are no longer difficult.) Possibly make an instance or Dungeon that requires being good at multiple classes and will allow to switch jobs and such during that instance. Reserved for the hardcore people who need the challenge and will walk away after too much grinding. Sorry if I rambled too much just really enjoy the game and am looking forward to whats new in the next patch^^

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by synaesthetic

Do the words "power creep" mean anything to you at all? The reset always happens with the first raid at the new level cap. The gear dropped there is a step above the best gear dropped from the final raids in the previous tier. The dungeon stuff that the new players will be wearing from the new tier's 4-player content will be just a hair under whatever the old-guard raiders are wearing.

That's kind of the whole reason they call them tiers!

If the brand-spanking-new expansion content flat out requires you to farm Coil for weeks just to be geared enough to do it... you really didn't think this through, did you?

---

It doesn't work that way. The tier of a previous expansion is always overshadowed by leveling equipment prior to the first raid of a new expansion. When a new expansion occurs on this game (with, or without a level cap increase) the first raid will drop items of a significant enough upgrade and likely require better gear than what you were wearing at the start. There's no benefit to introduce content and items if no one needs, wants, or uses them. And anyways what Alkimi said is pretty much what you're arguing with the exception that when the level cap is increased you should not be wearing one piece of gear you were wearing at the end of the previous expansion going into the first raid.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by synaesthetic

Actually I was hoping Square would get rid of the idea that crafting had to bridge tiers and just make equal crafted and raid tiers. So you'd have item level 80, 90 and (possibly) 100 crafted gear that's just as good as raid gear but requires materials dropped in CT, Coil et al in order to craft.

---

SE has already drilled home that when it comes to crafting it will never be equal to a raid drop. Doing so negates the raid content and providing a crafted item as a possible best in slot opens up a market for RMT. There might likely be better crafted gear in the PvP market because it will be meldable and affect a smaller portion of the game. Besides, since everyone can level all crafts there will eventually be a much higher supply of the items than the demand, so I wouldn't rely on it to be your money maker in the equipment area.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Nova_Dresden

SE has already drilled home that when it comes to crafting it will never be equal to a raid drop. Doing so negates the raid content and providing a crafted item as a possible best in slot opens up a market for RMT. There might likely be better crafted gear in the PvP market because it will be meldable and affect a smaller portion of the game. Besides, since everyone can level all crafts there will eventually be a much higher supply of the items than the demand, so I wouldn't rely on it to be your money maker in the equipment area.

---

there is a simple way to avoid that: make synthesis materials only drop in raid content.

Seems like I picked the perfect time to unsubscribe.
It was fun while it lasted FFXIV

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Hik0

there is a simple way to avoid that: make synthesis materials only drop in raid content.

---

Still doesn't negate the other factor: RMT. If a raid drops synthesis materials and you craft a raid-level piece of equipment that opens the door for people to buy gil in order to afford your pricing of said item. Either way the stance on crafting is still that nothing craftable will be comparable to a raid drop.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Nova_Dresden

Still doesn't negate the other factor: RMT. If a raid drops synthesis materials and you craft a raid-level piece of equipment that opens the door for people to buy gil in order to afford your pricing of said item.

---

With this Mindset nothing in this Game should be worth buying with Gil? Because People are buying gil from RMTs? Seems legit... not

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Sonicdoc

With this Mindset nothing in this Game should be worth buying with Gil? Because People are buying gil from RMTs? Seems legit... not

---

Whether it seems legit to you or not, that is the reasoning behind their decision. They don't want end-game equipment craftable to prevent RMT selling the item to generate gil or players going to buy gil to afford the item.

Full details on their decisions are HERE

Turn 6 won't be a "distant goal", as all you need to do is beat Turns 1-5. BCoB is being added to the Duty Finder, and is simultaneously being nerfed as well for Version 2.2.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by HorrorStory

Turn 6 won't be a "distant goal", as all you need to do is beat Turns 1-5. BCoB is being added to the Duty Finder, and is simultaneously being nerfed as well for Version 2.2.

---

Quote:

---

Q17: How difficult will the new turns of the Binding Coil of Bahamut be?

A17: The Binding Coil of Bahamut: Invasion (name TBD) will have a different item level than the current Binding Coil of Bahamut, so it’s a bit difficult to explain, but try to recall taking on the current Binding Coil of Bahamut without knowing anything at all.

---

He also mentioned that it would be like when 2.0 was released and people had no idea how to beat the current turns. Considering coil took quite a while to clear, i expect the new turns to be pretty difficult too and seeing as you need to have beaten t5 to enter, i assume they designed it to be difficult for people who are ilvl90.

They said new craftable armor will be ilvl 100, and I missed the portion, but FC member said they stated New turns will drop ilvl 120. They also said they are taking the week lockout off the first 5 turns, so everyone will be able to spam it to get full i90 quickly to take on the new turns.

As for the nerfing, all Ive seen was them saying they are going to add the Echo buff to it, which increases your HP and strength a bit if you fail multiple times, so groups who already one shot, will continue to, and those who wipe repeatedly will get a small buff to help out.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by xEscaflownex

They said new craftable armor will be ilvl 100, and I missed the portion, but FC member said they stated New turns will drop ilvl 120. They also said they are taking the week lockout off the first 5 turns, so everyone will be able to spam it to get full i90 quickly to take on the new turns.

As for the nerfing, all Ive seen was them saying they are going to add the Echo buff to it, which increases your HP and strength a bit if you fail multiple times, so groups who already one shot, will continue to, and those who wipe repeatedly will get a small buff to help out.

---

umm I'm quite sure they refused to mention any solid ilvl numbers, unless they did in the second half and I missed it.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Nova_Dresden

Whether it seems legit to you or not, that is the reasoning behind their decision. They don't want end-game equipment craftable to prevent RMT selling the item to generate gil or players going to buy gil to afford the item.

Full details on their decisions are HERE

---

Yes, and what they are doing is completely killing off a part of the game for the sake of preserving those ideas. If they wanted generic dungeon crawler 3000 they certainly are approaching it and I wouldn't expect the community as it is to survive.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Nova_Dresden

Whether it seems legit to you or not, that is the reasoning behind their decision. They don't want end-game equipment craftable to prevent RMT selling the item to generate gil or players going to buy gil to afford the item.

Full details on their decisions are HERE

---

This is the point of all us posting on the forum.

Yoshida's core design has all but made crafting and gathering worthless and killed off all aspects of the economy. HE is so worried about RMT he killed off the economy himself.

What he is doing is just not working. RMT are still here and spamming us like crazy, but yet everything on the market that is gatherable sells for less the 100gil.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Xatsh

This is the point of all us posting on the forum.

Yoshida's core design has all but made crafting and gathering worthless and killed off all aspects of the economy. HE is so worried about RMT he killed off the economy himself.

What he is doing is just not working. RMT are still here and spamming us like crazy, but yet everything on the market that is gatherable sells for less the 100gil.

---

Hey, don't shoot the messenger. That's just their stand on it. Either way it does little to help crafting in the economy if everyone can craft the same items. There's no limitations to gathering and crafting, and eventually no one will need outside support except for mats.

Marty: 'OMG Doc, what happened!?'
Doc: 'I was afraid of this... we've gone too far into the future'
Marty: 'What?? But what about my girl, what about Jennifer?'
Doc; 'Nevermind that Marty, we have bigger problems than that.'
Marty [GULP]
Doc: 'You see Marty, our ilvl 90 weapons are obsolete in this reality and using them might create a rift in the space time continuem.'
Marty: 'Oh man this is heavy.'
Doc: 'We have to obtain ilvl 125 to generate the 1.1 gigawats of power so we can go back to
1955! and also... so we can look cool compared to everyone else'
Marty: 'You mean 1989?'
Doc: 'Whatever, we have a fkn time machine Marty.'