There's a reason why they didn't mention that price at fanfest I guess...probably would've killed the mood. And them.
Cash shop confirmed
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10-28-2014, 08:02 PMParodine
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10-28-2014, 08:03 PMSynestr
Ok...what. Game isn't stong, yet people couldn't log in due to servers being full? K, gotcha.Optional dang it, it's all optional. Why should they put it in the game? So when you don't get it after x amount of runs you come here and whine that the drop rate needs to be fixed or as other threads have suggested, put it in a shop...
Get over it.
Hmmm...
Quesse- u has fat choco and courel mounts - you paid for that. Only way for me to get it is to buy it. NO FAIR - PUT IN GAME!!
Souljacker - um, same. Those mounts were paid for...sonofair!!
Don't try to justify that they came with the game, cos you paid more to get them. Also Courel mount and other stuff could be bought from mogstation before cash shop, noone gave a sh*t then, so why do so now.
Honestly this is beat to death....where is the guy with the gif for this, please...[Help me out!] -
10-28-2014, 08:05 PMPhaus
What a joke for the Sleipnir pricing, even more of a joke the pumpkin heads and wailing costume prices from past events.
Hilariously saddening to see. -
10-28-2014, 08:10 PMFatestorm
Your money at work people.
They can't deliver a decent and workable housing system to their players based on "limited server demands", even though it's the same shitty system that's been in place since December of 2013 and they've known exactly what they need to expect since then. They can't deliver working servers after a patch, and players have to spam them for thirty minutes straight before getting a chance at logging in.
But they can take the time to code a virtual item to take 24 of your hard-earned dollars for delivering you "content" that they've had in game since 2.0 went live.
What a sick joke. -
10-28-2014, 08:10 PMTatsuo
Well well, in Mor Dhona are like 30 people with their Sleipnir mounts, so I guess the pricing is a success ;)
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10-28-2014, 08:10 PMtocsinActually, I can definitely see the game not being that strong. we only have maybe 65 servers at a time that show full, and 59 of which are medium or smaller populations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Synestr
Additionally, investor relations has had SQEX as losing money in their subscription numbers. I believe the mathematical estimate on sub numbers based on the investor reports for q3 placed sub numbers somewhere in the range of 300k.
Add to this that they have already claimed lack of funding for botched content (no money for housing servers) and I can completely agree with this statement. -
10-28-2014, 08:17 PMLee-Akira
You know, this is all nice and well but, I remember hearing something along the lines of them while not giving away the same items from past events, and instead give out new ones every year, that they would give out materials to craft past event items within the same event. What happened to that? I guess they just said 'screw it' we're selling them instead. I'll forgive square-Enix if they sell 1.0 items which I miss because I just didn't happen to have a god almighty PC nor able to afford one at the time that was able to run 1.0
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10-28-2014, 08:24 PMSouljackerOf COURSE I paid for the collector's edition of the game. I'm a huge Final Fantasy fan and there's always perks to ponying up for the CE version. There's concept art, soundtracks, etc. and for every game that I truly believe in, I will pay the extra up front cost. It's not my fault that 1.0 ended up being a disaster, and 2 is now on a pretty steady decline.Quote:
Originally Posted by Synestr
What does any of that have to do with charging 25 bucks for ONE (count it, ONE) DIGITAL item? And mind, I don't have problems with people disposing of their disposable income in ways that they see fit; I'm just against the cash shop model in very general terms, because the next stop is F2P. Don't believe it? Every other game that has done it has gone there, and they've been forced to because of bad development decisions similar to the things we are seeing in XIV right now. Don't think for a second that XIV is somehow immune to the realities of the marketplace. It's a business, and needs to be run like one. There is a certain level of professionalism that is required in order to be successful, and comments like "players should stop being lazy and earn more gil" is not the level of professionalism a company like SE should project.
The fact that players like you continue to defend such practices says much about the state of today's youth. -
10-28-2014, 08:44 PMKallera
$25.00 slepnir mount. Anyone care to clarify this?
I bet there will be premium wards next, just because they can get a bit more money over a Ill conceived housing plan of their making.
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10-28-2014, 08:57 PMFatestorm
I'm beginning to think that these new items...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...ps23b0fd9a.png
...are some sort of sick higher-criticism metanarrative on what SE expects to be able to sell to its players. -
10-28-2014, 09:54 PMDarkDededeLet's be fair here. The price could have been $300 and there would be "like" those same "30 people with their Sleipnir mounts."Quote:
Originally Posted by Tatsuo
There are some people that will pay the high price to get their content first. TPTB will have had made their money, before they conveniently give into community demand, and lower the price for some special sale event. Then they'll make even more money.
Now, charging money for content that wasn't even 100 gil, in game, last year? Yeah, that's totally pointless. Me thinks they're just experimenting with that one (to see how many people are that willing to part with their money). -
10-28-2014, 10:02 PMTeirshinSadly.. a whole lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkDedede
Whats the saying about a fool and his money??? SE is banking on it... literally. -
10-28-2014, 10:05 PMMiya_CarbuncleUh, you realize some of us missed those events... right? If event items that I've missed aren't available in-game, and I want them enough, I'll spend a few bucks on 'em. Why not? There's no other way to get them.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkDedede
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10-28-2014, 10:21 PMDarkDededeBecause how they decide to make their "few bucks" just might leave a bad taste with enough people. This is as much about politics and PR as it is about marketing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Miya_Carbuncle
They could have just as easily placed the same NPC, that sold the items for the same 47 gil a piece, and made their money elsewhere. -
10-28-2014, 10:41 PMTeirshinUntil they put them back in game events next year, and put this years items on the cash shop......Quote:
Originally Posted by Miya_Carbuncle
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10-28-2014, 10:48 PMMiya_CarbuncleI think it's a decent deal if they were free the first year-round. Most MMOS *cough*WoW*cough* just recycle the same stuff every year and never add anything new. At leats this game gives us new stuff in every event for free yearly (which keeps things interesting for sure), and the option to buy stuff we missed if we so desire.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkDedede
Uh, yeah. Brand new item designs on a yearly basis that are completely free if you don't miss the event. Not the same things recycled, which you seem to be implying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Teirshin
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10-29-2014, 03:42 AMSeijinho
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My wall of text... noooooo ;—;
Guess I'll quietly let my subscription die hahaha
Resume: I don't support SE new business model; I feel cheated that they decided to implement it after a whole year, now that I invested so much time in the game; etc.
Hm... it's not the same without all the blood, tears and drama ;—;" -
10-29-2014, 03:46 AMTupsiDo ...you even know the definition of extortion?Quote:
Originally Posted by tocsin
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10-29-2014, 07:07 AMLamentationsAnd they will make more money on this stuff than the 10% who "may" quit and they know it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xairos
Cash shop was going to kill wow, it's still around.
The quality of this game is far higher than most any f2p game i have bothered with, and they also have cash shops.
This model exists because it makes companies money, like it or not it is here to stay.
People will make this cash shop profitable, like it or not, and no amount of howling will make it go away.
Money talks and BS walks. -
10-29-2014, 07:12 AMJandorextortionateQuote:
Originally Posted by Tupsi
ɪkˈstɔːʃ(ə)nət,ɛk-/
adjective
1.
(of a price) much too high; exorbitant.
"£15 for that pony is extortionate." -
10-29-2014, 07:23 AMDwillQuote:
Originally Posted by Jandor
ex·tor·tion
ikˈstôrSH(ə)n/
noun
the practice of obtaining something, especially money, through force or threats.
synonyms:blackmail, shakedown; formal exaction
"arrested on a charge of extortion"
Which isn't what is happening right now so no, it's not extortion nor are the price extortionate at all. That's just using a hyperbole. -
10-29-2014, 07:29 AMThegide
Since the cash shop is here to stay, it really needs the ability to gift items to other players.
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10-29-2014, 07:44 AMTupsiI'm still waiting to see where I'm being pushed to buy cash shop items through threats.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jandor
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10-29-2014, 07:53 AMLamentationsLol extortion, nah my boss who makes 12 million per year and is required to pay $15k per month in child support because of threats from legal officials, he knows what extortion is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jandor
If lil Bucky the redneck can slip a $5 dollar minion under his parents radar and get away with it, the bosses 8 kids can buy it all and he wont even notice.
If you dont buy anything they wont notice either, we get it you dont like a cash shop in 14, like Tupsi said noone is forcing you to buy anything.
Just for the record i have never liked cash shops either, but you and i are just little baitfish in a world full of sharks with platinum credit cards and no time to watch what the kid is spending while making all that money.
And extortion never crossed their minds, because this isn't extortion. -
10-29-2014, 08:03 AMKrr
Y'all realize that the dictionary isn't the be-all end-all of using a word right, right? We still have "gay" listed as meaning "lighthearted and carefree". Extortion is a very specific legal term in modern parlance. Are we also gonna defend using the phrase "solid d*ck" because it's 1950's slang for "straight talk"?
The legal definition of extortion is much more complicated. And wrongly claiming it's being done is also termed as slander. :rolleyes: -
10-29-2014, 08:22 AMJandorYou'll be waiting a while, the SE goons have to got to get through everyone who hasn't actually bought Odins horse yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tupsi
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10-29-2014, 04:15 PMKillyBampWhite Knight's gonna White Knight. Items ARE content, you are deluded if you think otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Synestr
Hey you and your blinkered ilk go ahead and defend SE for doing this, keep being taken advantage of by paying extra for stuff that has been cut from every patch and put in the greed shop. Go ahead and keep telling players like myself who aren't prepared to be mugged off to go ahead and leave, because the less people there are paying sub's ensures the longevity of the game right?
Get a clue- people will leave over this, others like you who don't mind being ripped off would stay anyway if there wasn't a cash shop -
10-29-2014, 05:12 PMZorzi
We already pay a subscription to support the game and have access to everything. If you're not getting access to the entire game, and it's apparently in such dire need of money that retainers and exclusive items need to be sold for cash, then what's the point of a sub? May as well make it F2P, get more of that sweet whale money.
Cash shop in a subscription game is double dipping and greedy. -
10-29-2014, 05:21 PMtocsinQuote:
Originally Posted by Zorzi
please, people, look at some of the previous posts. both of these points have been brought up no less than 300 times a piece, and have been discussed to death.Quote:
Originally Posted by KillyBamp
I liked the restaurant analogy from 10 pages ago the best. The game is like a Chinese buffet. Your sub buys you a seat at the table and a standard meal of what is on the buffet lines. additionally, there is now an a-la-carte menu available to you for an additional cost, if you want something special.
from day one, your sub never guaranteed you access to everything. can you get a fat chocobo in game for just your sub? didn't think so... -
10-29-2014, 05:56 PMJandorInteresting that you used the fat chocobo as the example rather than the Coeurl. The fat choco was given to me much later than the Coeurl and at no extra cost.Quote:
Originally Posted by tocsin
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10-29-2014, 06:10 PMFellisinYes but to get that fat chocobo, you would've had to buy or have been brought the collectors edition and then registered it to your account. Only reason you've got the fat chocobo later was because it was part of the CE for the ps4 and then the fat chocobo was given to all people who had previously registered a CE to their account.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jandor
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10-29-2014, 10:22 PMJandorYes it does, just thought a "free" surprise extra that wasn't part of the initial deal was an odd example to use.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fellisin
Anyway, I think people are slightly talking past each other. Everyone has known from the beginning that the game + sub doesn't get you everything due to the Collectors Edition existing, however a Collectors Edition is very rarely the beginning of the end for a game. I'm struggling to think of an example of a subscription game adding a cash shop resulting in the game becoming better overall.
If the cash shop items were tradeable in game I think the whole issue would cease to exist.
SE gets that precious "whale" money, your poorer subscribers can still get the items through grind, the impact of gil sellers is lessened as SE effectively steps into the market, and people don't have to worry about development time be diverted to the cash shop.
Extra money for SE, less gil sellers and all the content available to everyone, it's win/win/win (items & vanity are content people, especially in a game as pretty as FFXIV.) -
10-29-2014, 10:23 PMEdellisThis, this is 100% my feeling on this matter, and the reason i'm now against it, because it happened to me yesterday. This sort of feeling is the main reason i pay the $15 subscription fee, and actually feel like i'm getting my monies worth regardless of how long i play. One of the main reasons i stuck with FFXIV is because of all the "useless" content in the game that's weaved into crafting, questing and otherwise just playing the game. It's the reason i'm able to enjoy FFXIV as if it were one of the PSX/SNES standalone titles. But now, one of the most aesthetically pleasing features of the game has been cracked wide open and the playerbase is under constant threat of exploitation. And already, I feel like my $15 subscription fee has lost its value.Quote:
[the cash shop] violates the spirit of this game and everything I've seen from it so far. When I see an exciting new item in a preview, you want my first reaction to be "I can't wait to get that!" not, "Wow, I hope it's not cash-only." And that's what I'm going to think from now on.
Fantaisa and Server Exchange, i had no issue with. I'm also completely fine with seasonal and special event content, especially if they were obtainable through seasonal quests and they don't plan to run them again for years at at time. Veteran rewards? Cool, i was going to resub anyway, i'll take it.
But anything else is literally content i've already paid for, being sold to me at a premium. And that is bullshit. If i'm not (or never was) able to get it in-game, it shouldn't exist in a P2P title. -
10-29-2014, 11:08 PMKillyBampI'm adding my stance on the subject, if it happens to be the same as 300 other people commenting on this thread, that only confirms that we are in agreement on this and SE should take note. If people don't comment, the thread dies and the cause is lost.Quote:
Originally Posted by tocsin
You yourself posted about the outrageous price of the Slepnir mount, were you the only one?
I would encourage anyone who is against this to comment regardless of repeating what others have already said and keep this thread well and truly ALIVE. -
10-29-2014, 11:09 PMGhastly
We would've gotten these new minions in game...
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10-30-2014, 01:28 AMTupsiBy this logic charging for an expansion pack while we pay a sub is double dipping and greedy - you're paying for additional content, since you know, people say items are "content" as well. I mean, when people ask if I want to do x content, of course they're saying: "Do you want to do Potions? Or Ethers? Want to go kill Allagan Tin Coin?"Quote:
Originally Posted by Zorzi
The object rendered by the engine is also content, by definition, but let's be honest, people use the term "content" for things you're doing, e.g Primal battles or Coil.
We would have? How do you know? Where did SE state these would have been in-game minions? Last I checked we still did get minions in game. If you want a lower sub you shoulda played 1.x and gotten legacy status :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Ghastly
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10-30-2014, 01:39 AMFellisinOr we may have not at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghastly
See they could of made the items with the Cash shop solely in mind. If the cash shop did not exist neither would those items. So if they only decided to make those minions to launch their cash shop we would possibly never of saw them in game ever. As will be the possibility with any other minions and mounts in the future which appear in the cash shop.
See I can do baseless speculation as well. Although the point stands, that if they make any items solely with cash shop in mind, then those items would never appear in the game without the existence of the cash shop in first place.
Also I doubt they'll lower the subs. These are "Optional items" which is covered by the terms and conditions you agreed to when you started playing this game. It with in billing that SE may if they wish, charge additional fees for optional services and add ons. Which cash shop items would fall under.
Like it or not I doubt the cash shop is going anywhere. There is enough slepnir mounts running around at present to show them that they have a market for it now. -
10-30-2014, 01:55 AMJandorPeople bought in at the start knowing this would be the case. They didn't buy in expecting a cash shop.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tupsi
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10-30-2014, 02:25 AMDamaneActually we are paying the monthly fee for "Access" to the game, not for the content, they might es well not do any content and could charge you monthly. You might wanna read the ToSQuote:
Originally Posted by Tupsi
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10-30-2014, 02:32 AMTupsiIf you actually read the topic you'd know I already know this, but no one really would want to go through 150+ pages of doomcalling.Quote:
Originally Posted by Damane