7.0 copium has got to stop

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Originally Posted by Koros

Seriously, I don't even know where people get the idea that 7.0 is going to fix or even partially fix the problems with this game, it's not just one or two people, it's like the majority of the playerbase.

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"The majority of the playerbase".....

Good job this is a troll thread otherwise that statement would be even MORE laughable.

Honestly I don’t see why the OP is wrong about what’s coming for future.
Maybe their way to express their thought can be seen too rough for certain people but c’mon let’s face the true.
It’s true that the game has been tuned down over and over again and it’s true that the studio has no plan to make the game come as it was before nor to improve certain feature.

So now the expectations are low, on what the game will offer.
Personally I think the majour feature we can hope (with a good ammount of copium, indeed) is having a new MSQ decent at least within its narration.
Gameplay wise, we can expect more tuning down in the next expacs.
CBU3 has started this back to SB/ShB and there is no way they will come back to their previous path.
Content wise same thing.
I’m playing the whole game again and I’m seeing how the old content where more engaging, if I can use this word than what we had since four years, at least.

I’m not here to doomposting. I just have the rare ability to see what’s coming on by actually evaluating and comparing things. I think it’s called critical judgment, a thing that all ppl should develop during their lives but you know…think is a busy work, i discourage ppl to think. Ignorance is a bless.

Any road. The ones that constantly repeat like it was a gospel “if you don’t like, just quit”, “I love the game it sound more like a you problems”, “the game is going to go better” are as ignorant as the ones who keeps trolling and doomposting.

Maybe there is only one true behind these words.
7.0 may be one of the best expansion, retailing wise, but there is an huge difference between having a good product that sells and a good game.
The formula of FFXIV is having a boom of new player that pays for a year maybe, every year. Fuck the veterans they will quit eventually.

To the new players and to whoever hasn’t reach the breakpoint yet, enjoy your time here. To the sheeps…well I’ve no words for them.

Holy lmoa, you might be the only one this salty about the update... I don't think that's the case at all. I'm pretty sure everyone I know started playing the game again hahahaa.

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Originally Posted by Jokerz_93

Honestly I don’t see why the OP is wrong about what’s coming for future.

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"We're going to see the same thing in 7.0, because the developers aren't going to change things as we desire/demand" is indeed a correct prediction. I really don't know why people complain when the game "works in similar ways" from 2.0 through 7.0.

If you want a different game, go seek it. There are any number of new games out there every year. Some make a big splash and then sink to the bottom, never to be seen again. Others stick around for decades. Ultima Online still has servers, after a quarter of a century, and they haven't reinvented the game.

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... having a new MSQ decent at least within its narration.

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Adding the "personally" to this was a wise move. There are players who absolutely hated the Endwalker MSQ, players who were "meh, no different from past expansions", and players who were invested in the storyline. Personally, I thought the Ala Mhigo sections of Stormblood were a bit underwhelming. Personally, I'm ecstatic that there was no huge "Garlean" anything this expansion.

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I just have the rare ability to see what’s coming on by actually evaluating and comparing things.

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It's odd how different people have different tastes in literature and music... and games. Almost as though individuals have their own criteria for what is "good" and "bad". In my opinion, the day all individuals have the same tastes and preferences is the day the "human race" as a whole dies.

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To the sheeps…well I’ve no words for them.

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Yes, you did ... you compared players who disagree with your own ramblings with sheep. It's the easiest cheap shot one can take to deter disagreement.

Is it still copium if I enjoyed Endwalker? :confused:

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Originally Posted by Avoidy

People are gonna shit on this response, but to be fair when was the last time any staff member even implied they were looking at this place outside of the one mod in the tech support forum who mostly helps with troubleshooting and moving threads around? Nothing against him, but I'm talking about a reply from like... a developer or something. For example, there's this super old thread asking for unlocked hempen sets across races, and in that thread an actual staff account replied saying they'd look into it. That is the most recent thread I can immediately think of where I saw a reply from someone who might actually work on the game. It was made back in like 2015. And as we all know, the hempen sets are still race-locked.

Like, if we had any developer come in and even say "sup" in a thread, we'd at least know that someone at CBU3 was reading our feedback and I think that would go a mile for the morale around here. As it stands, this place feels more like a venty echo chamber where people just scream into the wind, feeling with 99.9% certainty that nobody's listening and nobody cares.

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I remember that when the Good King Moogle Mog fight was released in 2.1, I made a comment about the one Moogle named Puki was it’s Tagalog for the word “p_ssy.” Koji Fox replied to the thread and said he didn’t know that the name could mean that in another language, and he was sorry for naming the Moogle that. Plus he said going forward that he’d be very careful naming NPCs so that they aren’t terms from another Latham could mean something inappropriate.

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Originally Posted by Alexandre_Noireau

Ok, this are the lowest deepths of the game since re-lauch.
But maintenance mode and new graphic engine are a paradox you cannot solve. It's ilogical to think we are in maintenance with such work ahead.

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It sounds less like a new engine and more like they are adding a better texture pack and lighting features. This will not be an entirely new look to the game, just kind of polishing up the look we already have, you aren't suddenly going to be able to count the pores on an NPCs face or anything.

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Originally Posted by SieyaM

It sounds less like a new engine and more like they are adding a better texture pack and lighting features. This will not be an entirely new look to the game, just kind of polishing up the look we already have, you aren't suddenly going to be able to count the pores on an NPCs face or anything.

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Yes, as you say, they have already been very clear on this, it's new technologies for lighting, shadows/antialiasing and certainly dx12,
put more details/item in instances/map.

But it's not a graphics engine change, just an update so that they can technologically keep up with the next 10 years, and yes yoshida has already said that the graphics update will be in the form of a texture pack that can be activated on pc/ps5 since the ps4 will not have the option.

Moreover the graphic update will not be complete in 7.0, it will continue on the 7.x-8.x patches because the work is much too important to release everything at once, so it will be released in several parts.

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Originally Posted by remiff

Yes, as you say, they have already been very clear on this, it's new technologies for lighting, shadows/antialiasing and certainly dx12,
put more details/item in instances/map.

But it's not a graphics engine change, just an update so that they can technologically keep up with the next 10 years, and yes yoshida has already said that the graphics update will be in the form of a texture pack that can be activated on pc/ps5 since the ps4 will not have the option.

Moreover the graphic update will not be complete in 7.0, it will continue on the 7.x-8.x patches because the work is much too important to release everything at once, so it will be released in several parts.

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Lmao what modders manage to do in a month or so will take SE four years

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Originally Posted by Koros

Lmao what modders manage to do in a month or so will take SE four years

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Yeah. Modders can get away with it because, well, if they screw up they're not going to get complaints from Every. Single. Player.

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Originally Posted by Koros

Lmao what modders manage to do in a month or so will take SE four years

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They already outsource some of their asset development, too, so it's strange that they don't just swallow their pride and spend more money on 'catching up' with what needs to be done to make viera and hrothgar into properly complete playable races.

Maybe they could spend less on marketing gimmicks and more on the game itself, though if anything I expect the costs there to rise moving forward.

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Originally Posted by DPZ2

Yeah. Modders can get away with it because, well, if they screw up they're not going to get complaints from Every. Single. Player.

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Oh yes is that why SE keeps screwing up with housing lottery bug, buff cap bugs or ugly pixelated assets like Hien's outfit.

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Originally Posted by DPZ2

Yeah. Modders can get away with it because, well, if they screw up they're not going to get complaints from Every. Single. Player.

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In this hugbox of a society, where most people experience virtue-signaling so hard that it's almost gaslighting?
I doubt it.

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Originally Posted by DPZ2

Yeah. Modders can get away with it because, well, if they screw up they're not going to get complaints from Every. Single. Player.

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Except for when they make new sets with hats that can't be used on viera/hroth. That a modder gets working within a few hours of patch no problem.

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Originally Posted by Koros

Seriously, I don't even know where people get the idea that 7.0 is going to end or even partially end the problems game, it's not just one or two people, it's like the vocal minority of the playerbase but majority of the troll posters.

If you don't like the game at all, unironically save yourself the money and quit now, but by all metrics at this point this game is doing extremely well and growing. There's literally no point in waiting for 7.0 to destroy anything. Spoiler: they won't. Only reason to leave this game is if you genuinely dislike it, not anything wrong with the game itself..

Let me just spoil the ending for all of you: FF14 is going to continue doing amazingly well, growing, and Square Enix is going to continue putting out content at the cadence they've established in like 8.0 or 9.0 or something, continuing to please a growing playerbase.

CBU3 has like literally created one of the most popular MMORPGs on the market, each expansion iterating on the prior one with some lessons learned and some new experiments, that succeeded with the playerbase at large. They clearly know how. Given how they responded to the complaints about things such as the SB and ShB Relics, clearly they're open to feedback, too, iterating to try and find things that people like. So don't huff the doomium really, no need to wait for 7.0. It's already amazing.

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There, fixed that for ya.

Also, can I have your stuff?

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Seriously, you post this every second or third day. Either poop or get off the toilet. Either quit or shut up about it already.

Actionable and constructive criticism is fine, but your flailing doomposting is just sad at this point.

Renathras

If you ever make an alt on Kujata, I owe you a drink at the Wench.

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Originally Posted by Renathras

Seriously, I don't even know where people get the idea that 7.0 is going to end or even partially end the problems game, it's not just one or two people, it's like the vocal minority of the playerbase but majority of the troll posters.

If you don't like the game at all, unironically save yourself the money and quit now, but by all metrics at this point this game is doing extremely well and growing. There's literally no point in waiting for 7.0 to destroy anything. Spoiler: they won't. Only reason to leave this game is if you genuinely dislike it, not anything wrong with the game itself..

Let me just spoil the ending for all of you: FF14 is going to continue doing amazingly well, growing, and Square Enix is going to continue putting out content at the cadence they've established in like 8.0 or 9.0 or something, continuing to please a growing playerbase.

CBU3 has like literally created one of the most popular MMORPGs on the market, each expansion iterating on the prior one with some lessons learned and some new experiments, that succeeded with the playerbase at large. They clearly know how. Given how they responded to the complaints about things such as the SB and ShB Relics, clearly they're open to feedback, too, iterating to try and find things that people like. So don't huff the doomium really, no need to wait for 7.0. It's already amazing.

There, fixed that for ya.

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So this is where the doomium thread spawned from. Interesting.

https://media.tenor.com/g75DlLXLzEEA...le-peeking.gif

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Originally Posted by Kacho_Nacho

If you are unhappy about something, you have to be specific. Tell them exactly what you dislike and why you dislike it. Otherwise, it's just noise.

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Good post.

The catch is that you do need a good take to present in the first place, in order for everyone else to get on board with it. As an illustration, there were a couple of cases in here where people tried to present specific examples on how they felt the Endwalker story 'should' have been written. Unfortunately, they ended up creating unintentional comedy in the process, much to their chagrin. Through repeated experience, they eventually learn to guard their overvalued ideas more closely.

It's much safer to stick to relatable but vaguely-expressed discontent. It doesn't achieve anything, but it gets attention for relatively low effort.

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Originally Posted by Lyth

Good post.

The catch is that you do need a good take to present in the first place, in order for everyone else to get on board with it. As an illustration, there were a couple of cases in here where people tried to present specific examples on how they felt the Endwalker story 'should' have been written. Unfortunately, they ended up creating unintentional comedy in the process, much to their chagrin. Through repeated experience, they eventually learn to guard their overvalued ideas more closely.

It's much safer to stick to relatable but vaguely-expressed discontent. It doesn't achieve anything, but it gets attention for relatively low effort.

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Have the endless, targeted and offering solutions posts pertaining to healer design post the great lobotomy not been specific enough for you

We have shown what we don’t like, we have shown why we don’t like it, we have shown ways we think the healers could be better without just reverting them to 4.5- stormblood Lilies; and what did we get for our Ernest attempt to give proper feedback on jobs we play

“Lol go play ultimate”

Blaming us for not being specific in our feedback when the developers poignantly ignore us is not going to fix anything

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

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There's a lot of specific feedback and discussion around what needs to be done with healer job design on the healer subforum, which is really good. I think a big part of the problem is in the consensus. There was a discussion on this earlier, in fact.

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Originally Posted by Lyth

There's a lot of specific feedback and discussion around what needs to be done with healer job design on the healer subforum, which is really good. I think a big part of the problem is in the consensus. There was a discussion on this earlier, in fact.

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I mean no matter how much we discuss the same 5 problems round and which we all acknowledge are at best divisive (but aren’t always on the same side) it hasn’t changed the fact that square just ignores us

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Originally Posted by Koros

Oh yes is that why SE keeps screwing up with housing lottery bug, buff cap bugs or ugly pixelated assets like Hien's outfit.

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Yeah. And didn't every single player who was interested in those things complain. I'm positive you did.

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Originally Posted by Rolder50

Except for when they make new sets with hats that can't be used on viera/hroth. That a modder gets working within a few hours of patch no problem.

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And how many hats can hrothgar or viera wear if they use a console instead of a PC?

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Originally Posted by DPZ2

Yeah. And didn't every single player who was interested in those things complain. I'm positive you did.

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oh ok, i guess screwing up the game is fine because people complain

weird logic but ok!

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

I mean no matter how much we discuss the same 5 problems round and which we all acknowledge are at best divisive (but aren’t always on the same side) it hasn’t changed the fact that square just ignores us

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You have answered your own question. If the solutions are divisive, you're unlikely to see a change to support a particular viewpoint, because there's no consensus.

To simplify it down, there are players who want to see healers to become more 'support-orientated'. There are others who want to see healers move towards becoming more 'dps-orientated'. There is a finite amount of hotbar space to develop both of these two functions on the same job, so these two views are at odds with each other.

There are players who want harder pass-fail healer skill checks. There are others who can't clear the existing checks even on basic content. And modern tanks and DPS have neither the time nor the patience to wait around to let their healers figure out mechanics across multiple attempts. The end result is the current trend to make healing progressively more vestigial so that it's less hassle for everyone involved.

If you disagree with that direction and endpoint, then you need to provide a clear vision as an alternative for people to rally behind. In short, you need to argue in favor of bringing carry potential back to healers. Otherwise you'll be locked behind endless arguments while all the good players swap off to DPS. I've got no investment in this sort of thing, but if you do, you need to go about it in an effective way. And I think that was the central point of Kacho's post.

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Originally Posted by Koros

Seriously, I don't even know where people get the idea that 7.0 is going to fix or even partially fix the problems with this game, it's not just one or two people, it's like the majority of the playerbase.

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Yes, the 0.00005% of the player population that bothers to post on the forums is totally the "majority."

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Originally Posted by Lyth

You have answered your own question. If the solutions are divisive, you're unlikely to see a change to support a particular viewpoint, because there's no consensus.

To simplify it down, there are players who want to see healers to become more 'support-orientated'. There are others who want to see healers move towards becoming more 'dps-orientated'. There is a finite amount of hotbar space to develop both of these two functions on the same job, so these two views are at odds with each other.

There are players who want harder pass-fail healer skill checks. There are others who can't clear the existing checks even on basic content. And modern tanks and DPS have neither the time nor the patience to wait around to let their healers figure out mechanics across multiple attempts. The end result is the current trend to make healing progressively more vestigial so that it's less hassle for everyone involved.

If you disagree with that direction and endpoint, then you need to provide a clear vision as an alternative for people to rally behind. In short, you need to argue in favor of bringing carry potential back to healers. Otherwise you'll be locked behind endless arguments while all the good players swap off to DPS. I've got no investment in this sort of thing, but if you do, you need to go about it in an effective way. And I think that was the central point of Kacho's post.

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"You need to get everyone to agree with you" =/= "You need to communicate clearly and effectively"

The healer role has a problem that neither of the others do: a subset of players who want there to never ever be a skill ceiling above ankle-height. Not *floor*. Ceiling.

I know people are upset and think this is trolling. But it really is the truth just not that dirty/deep. If you don't enjoy the homogenization of jobs. Strongly doubt that will change. Waiting till 7 and giving them more money just lightens your wallet. Will we get new flashy animations for each job, damn snappy. Will all healers basically be the same, probably easy to balance and less work. Will we see more half baked content, yes. Will the patches stretch the limit even farther, probably. Will the cash shop siphon more potentially cool stuff for insane pricing? Damn straight it will.



No game is perfect. If the cons don't completely destroy your enjoyment in game stay. But thinking it will get better is like being in an abusive relationship. You are only hurting yourself.

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Originally Posted by Semirhage

"You need to get everyone to agree with you" =/= "You need to communicate clearly and effectively"

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This is correct. You can communicate clearly and effectively, but if your ideas are unpopular, they are unlikely to end up being implemented. You have to be persuasive as well.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

Yes, the 0.00005% of the player population that bothers to post on the forums is totally the "majority."

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It’s not just the forums but go off champ

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Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44

So this is where the doomium thread spawned from. Interesting.

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Yeah?

I literally linked to this thread at the same time I posted that.

You're trying to act like there's some grand conspiracy to further your incessant (and irrelevant) argument that no one is positive about the game, but as I told you there several times (perhaps if you had bothered reading it instead of declaring an intent to be ignorant...), and was completely open about, that thread wasn't about positivity, it was open mockery of doomsaying.

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Originally Posted by Lyth

There's a lot of specific feedback and discussion around what needs to be done with healer job design on the healer subforum, which is really good. I think a big part of the problem is in the consensus. There was a discussion on this earlier, in fact.

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Yeah, the Healer subforum is a bit of an echo chamber (...more than a bit, actually...), but we've even been able to find points of agreement there. There's a thread something like "A modest proposal" with SCH changes that most people found they could agree on. While there's plenty of disagreement, and the big issue really is consensus, there's some general broad brush agreement that encounters are too heavily scripted, too mitigation focused, and not designed to work well with Healer toolkits as they presently exist. After that, it's a lot of disagreement. It's why my own personal proposal (the one I call "the 4 Healers model") is to kind of gear the different Jobs towards each of the different directions people seem to want, that way, everyone has something they like.

...needless to say, there's not even consensus on that. So you get the point. :D

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Originally Posted by Semirhage

The healer role has a problem that neither of the others do: a subset of players who want there to never ever be a skill ceiling above ankle-height. Not *floor*. Ceiling.

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No, it doesn't. This is your caricature you trot out to attack disagreement.

Which, btw, only contributes to a lack of ability to develop consensus.

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Originally Posted by Semirhage

The healer role has a problem that neither of the others do: a subset of players who want there to never ever be a skill ceiling above ankle-height. Not *floor*. Ceiling.

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Well they are ankle-height IRL and in-game.

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Originally Posted by Lyth

This is correct. You can communicate clearly and effectively, but if your ideas are unpopular, they are unlikely to end up being implemented. You have to be persuasive as well.

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Which (as has been discussed ad nauseam on every piece of media related to 14) there is no evidence that a significant base exists who actually like modern healers for their actual design

The forums hate them, shitpostxiv hates them, ffxivdiscussion hates them, even mainsub outside of a few overplayed “blood for the blood lily” jokes hates them, Job satisfaction surveys hate them

Every piece of evidence we have shows that people overwhelmingly hate them, at best there is a measure of people who like support roles who play them because 14 has nothing even remotely close (even ignoring that squares decisions on healers and phys ranged is what destroyed support) to support but there is basically nobody who comes out and says “healer design is good and well designed”

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

but there is basically nobody who comes out and says “healer design is good and well designed”

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Except for Renathras on Tuesdays-Thursdays, and sometimes Fridays if he feels backed into a corner when arguing in the healer forums, that one player who I can't really remember that wants the jobs to stay the way they are because they are a disabled player who needs simple jobs to be able to play (fair enough), and that one Elezen guy who will apparently never run out of content, I can't think of many who have said this even once upon a time, either.

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

Every piece of evidence we have shows that people overwhelmingly hate them, at best there is a measure of people who like support roles who play them because 14 has nothing even remotely close (even ignoring that squares decisions on healers and phys ranged is what destroyed support) to support but there is basically nobody who comes out and says “healer design is good and well designed”

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Personally, I don't think SE can make any real progress on healer design until they strip back many of the healing and mitigation tools they've given other roles, and better balance the importance of each role in content in general. Every role should need both of the other roles doing their jobs to clear content synced.

If SE's concern is "if we balance role importance and a healer dies there's no recovery while a party can recover if a tank or DPS dies because a healer can Raise them", giving other roles more healing and mitigation utility isn't the answer. The answer is to give the other roles an instant cast Raise with a 10 minute recharge timer or something similar - an "oh crap button" to get the healer up if needed without being so convenient it can be used for any death. That takes nothing away from the healer role as it's only useful after death occurs, not in helping to prevent death.

I don't get frustrated as a healer because I'm mostly playing with those who are skill challenged. I'm usually busy healing (even when tanking sometimes) so I'm not spending much time as green DPS. But I do empathize with those who are playing with the skilled players and get frustrated that being a healer doesn't feel more meaningful and engaging.

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

Which (as has been discussed ad nauseam on every piece of media related to 14) there is no evidence that a significant base exists who actually like modern healers for their actual design

The forums hate them, shitpostxiv hates them, ffxivdiscussion hates them, even mainsub outside of a few overplayed “blood for the blood lily” jokes hates them, Job satisfaction surveys hate them

Every piece of evidence we have shows that people overwhelmingly hate them, at best there is a measure of people who like support roles who play them because 14 has nothing even remotely close (even ignoring that squares decisions on healers and phys ranged is what destroyed support) to support but there is basically nobody who comes out and says “healer design is good and well designed”

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For the simps, they will always accuse others of presenting no data, yet will unabashedly claim they're in the majority with no data.

Such as:

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Originally Posted by Striker44

EW knocked it out of the park for the large majority of the playerbase. What's represented here on the forums is the most minuscule minority of the community, and one always prone to complaining about anything. Take a trip around YouTube, or even Reddit (of all places), and for every one person you find here, you'll find dozens of unique people (not the same few posting over and over again) praising EW and celebrating the current state of FFXIV.

Again, EW may have somehow "spent" whatever faith you have for whatever reason, but far and away the general reaction is the complete opposite. The only thing EW has been consistently is praised by most people. Seriously, get out of the pathetic echo chamber of negativity that is this forum and poke around practically any other place on the internet related to FFXIV, and you'll see how overwhelmingly this place does not reflect the general reality.

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Originally Posted by Striker44

Except, of course, that they're not. FC's are filled, queues pop even for odd raids at all hours of the day. It is indeed a vocal minority of pathetically bitter people here on the forums that are complaining because they can't stand that other people are having fun playing the game. This forum was less of a cesspool when a certain few people took some time off (ironically, for all they claim to hate the game, they...apparently resubbed and are actively playing again...).

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Originally Posted by Striker44

Do I think the number of people who are utterly and absolutely bitter and do nothing but complain and badmouth the game on this forum are the absurdly minuscule minority? Absolutely.

Heck, the echo chamber itself admits it. They love to claim that there are evidently dozens upon dozens of reddits and other sites on the internet filled with overwhelming fanboys who accept no negative commentary, and how this forum is the only place in existence where you can say negative things. And when you look through the threads, it is in fact the same select people posting over and over again in thread after thread. Yet somehow, they believe they magically outnumber that massive number of other sites with ultra-fanboys.

Or just check out YT. On just one video there, you'll probably find more unique people posting about how much they're enjoying EW and how good they think it is than you'll find on this entire forum. That's not "baseless" - it's reality. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it any less real.

Also, yes, everything is open to criticism. But there's a difference between actual criticism and people just mindlessly bashing anything and everything, personally attacking the dev team, and doing the same to anyone who dare points out they actually enjoy something. That's not criticism - that's incredible immaturity doing nothing productive whatsoever, and a major flag that it's time to move on to something else.



Where is your data on "most people don't like IS"? Right - it doesn't exist. And it's absolutely possible that they make mistakes. But when people just whine and attack the devs for literally everything, and then you juxtapose that against the reality that the game has the highest active playerbase ever this expansion, it's obvious such sentiments aren't anywhere near the norm, and it contributes nothing useful to anything.

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Dear me, I can't quite find the "data" in these posts.

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Originally Posted by TheNight

For the simps, they will always accuse others of presenting no data, yet will unabashedly claim they're in the majority with no data.

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I've only seen "majority" claims by the minuscule echo chamber here on the forums. The people who point out the error in that never seem to claim that they are the majority instead, simply that none of us on here represent anything meaningful compared to the playerbase at large. When larger claims are made, though, data is inevitably used by those people to support it. Just because some people don't like that the reality cracks the windows of their echo chamber doesn't make it any less real.

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Originally Posted by Striker44

I've only seen "majority" claims by the minuscule echo chamber here on the forums. The people who point out the error in that never seem to claim that they are the majority instead, simply that none of us on here represent anything meaningful compared to the playerbase at large. When larger claims are made, though, data is inevitably used by those people to support it. Just because some people don't like that the reality cracks the windows of their echo chamber doesn't make it any less real.

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Im fairly convinced you dont really play the game because its not just the forums. Across all social media and ingame chat of people I interact with, everyone agrees healing is not in a good spot.

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Originally Posted by Striker44

I've only seen "majority" claims by the minuscule echo chamber here on the forums. The people who point out the error in that never seem to claim that they are the majority instead, simply that none of us on here represent anything meaningful compared to the playerbase at large. When larger claims are made, though, data is inevitably used by those people to support it. Just because some people don't like that the reality cracks the windows of their echo chamber doesn't make it any less real.

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Huh? Practically the entirety of the post history of certain posters consists of little but declaring themselves to be in the 'majority' and any criticism whatsoever towards the game as coming from a 'minority'.

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Thankfully, the silent majority of players are having a blast playing the game, having fun, and may not even know these other things exist, let alone find anything meaningful in them. Pray, disregard the bad-faith forum posters who are addicted to the game but so pathetically bitter they can't stand the thought of other people enjoying something.

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EW knocked it out of the park for the large majority of the playerbase.

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Actually, the overwhelming majority of the playerbase considers EW to be a great story.

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Please stop making stuff up to suit your own desires. The scions aren't ideologically homogeneous, but they are immensely popular among the large majority of the playerbase.

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From what I recall, it has also been pointed out to you many times that there's no obligation for anyone to lace their every post with 'in my opinion' given that it's rather obvious any given poster is speaking on their behalf first and foremost.

I also remember you declaring that you are not caught up on content as you are 'taking it slow'. Is that still the case? If so, then you're not really speaking from the same position as veteran players or those who actually engage with more than just the MSQ's.

https://www.reddit.com › commentsFFXIV 5.25 Job Satisfaction Survey Results!

https://twitter.com/redditffxiv/stat...58322003939329

https://ffxivcensus.com

Here is also three seperate representations of the problem if you want actual data

Link 1 and link 2, SCH and AST two of the three least popular jobs in ShB after the great healer lobotomisation, the third of those three jobs got completely reworked twice in the intervening time, WHM maintains a level of popularity due to starting at level 1 and actually having a semi popular change implemented between 4.0-5.0, also note that outside of them redoing lily’s WHM was the healer that changed the least between the two, only losing aero 1 and 3, dumping off the old healer role actions and getting a rework on the wonky plenary (which made it a better job)

Link 3 as of the most recent census every other role averages 1 million people with a particular job capped, healers average just over 900,000, so even though you can legit cap a job cure 1 spamming there is still a deficit of roughly 100,000 individual players for the healer role who won’t even interact with them enough to cap them in basic content

Now let’s compare to 3.0

https://ffxivcensus.com/arrhwcompare/

This data is a bit wonky because it doesn’t split SCH with SMN but if we look at this data AST is the most popular of the new jobs in 3.0 and WHM and SCH share high popularity in their role compared to say pugilist, dragoon and warrior

Now I’ll attach the stipulation that most of this data is old, however that is only because newer data doesn’t exist, however no event has occurred in the intervening time that seems likely to have strongly affected these results (the census seems to show that SGE just pulled from the existing pool of shrinking healers, not bringing people to healer)