No one logged in today because of Lost Ark

You guys are truly incapable of thinking for yourselves by regurgitating the very same talking points that Yoshi P has made to justify these decisions. Honestly Yoshi P is a master at PR more than anything else with his honestly breathtaking skill at manipulating the opinions of the playerbase in getting them to accept clear shortfalls of the game with prepared arguments and such.

The arguments are obviously correct and valid, but they are not the only explanations for why these systems exist. The system can exist for multiple reasons simultaneously. Housing demolition can both be a way to deal with the housing situation AND also get people to stay subbed. Staggering content releases can both be a way to get players to not burn themselves out AND extend the sub time of players for each major patch.

I do not know how people don't realize this but I guess the Live Letters are truly incredible propaganda that work so, so well. The best propaganda, after all, are always made with some measure of sincerity, authenticity, and truth. That genuineness allows people to easily forget the untold. Just because Yoshi P isn't lying doesn't mean that he's telling you the full picture.

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Originally Posted by Skiros

Can't even get a weekly reclear going smh

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dont worry lost ark will be dead in two months like new world

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Originally Posted by Skiros

You guys are truly incapable of thinking for yourselves by regurgitating the very same talking points that Yoshi P has made to justify these decisions. Honestly Yoshi P is a master at PR more than anything else with his honestly breathtaking skill at manipulating the opinions of the playerbase in getting them to accept clear shortfalls of the game with prepared arguments and such.

The arguments are obviously correct and valid, but they are not the only explanations for why these systems exist. The system can exist for multiple reasons simultaneously. Housing demolition can both be a way to deal with the housing situation AND also get people to stay subbed. Staggering content releases can both be a way to get players to not burn themselves out AND extend the sub time of players for each major patch.

I do not know how people don't realize this but I guess the Live Letters are truly incredible propaganda that work so, so well. The best propaganda, after all, are always made with some measure of sincerity, authenticity, and truth. That genuineness allows people to easily forget the untold. Just because Yoshi P isn't lying doesn't mean that he's telling you the full picture.

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You're trying way too hard, man.

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Originally Posted by Skiros

That genuineness allows people to easily forget the untold. Just because Yoshi P isn't lying doesn't mean that he's telling you the full picture.

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You will never ever get rid of this problem without mind reading. I am sure, that he does not tell the whole truth. Because even he does not see the whole picture. In such a big company there are many other people who makes decisions and he has no clue what they decided. And if he does not tell something then because nobody asked about it.

So yes, he does not tell you everything. But you have to live with it. In other companies you will get the same for the same reasons.



Cheers

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Originally Posted by Skiros

You guys are truly incapable of thinking for yourselves by regurgitating the very same talking points that Yoshi P has made to justify these decisions.

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It's enough for me to recall the amount of complaining on the forums and the amount of time SE spent resisting the idea of taking peoples' houses away from them to believe the authenticity of the demolition mechanism being created to give people actually playing the game a chance at owning property.

I also believe that Yoshi-P is sincere when communicating with us in the Live Letters. As the game's director/producer there are things he simply can't tell us, and I accept that. I'm the R&D director for a company that's significant in our industry (a hobby activity) and there are many things I can't tell my friends, family, or acquaintances who are involved in the hobby, so I get it. Even so, I've perceived nothing but sincerity from him when he's communicated directly with people.


Is it better for business that everyone who plays the game remains subscribed at all times? Sure, constant income is always good for a business. HOWEVER, I believe the amount of good will generated by Yoshida's statement about taking breaks and the CBU3 team's genuine communication with the community has generated greater profit due to player retention than it would have made by keeping a dwindling number of players subbed at all times.

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Originally Posted by Skiros

You guys are truly incapable of thinking for yourselves by regurgitating the very same talking points that Yoshi P has made to justify these decisions. Honestly Yoshi P is a master at PR more than anything else with his honestly breathtaking skill at manipulating the opinions of the playerbase in getting them to accept clear shortfalls of the game with prepared arguments and such.

The arguments are obviously correct and valid, but they are not the only explanations for why these systems exist. The system can exist for multiple reasons simultaneously. Housing demolition can both be a way to deal with the housing situation AND also get people to stay subbed. Staggering content releases can both be a way to get players to not burn themselves out AND extend the sub time of players for each major patch.

I do not know how people don't realize this but I guess the Live Letters are truly incredible propaganda that work so, so well. The best propaganda, after all, are always made with some measure of sincerity, authenticity, and truth. That genuineness allows people to easily forget the untold. Just because Yoshi P isn't lying doesn't mean that he's telling you the full picture.

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The people familiar with MMO PR already know, the YoshiP devout will consider you a blasphemer and never believe.

Since this is on the topic of Lost Ark, which founders pack is most worth it?

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Originally Posted by Tanis_Ebonhart

Lost Ark isn't a game you can just pick up whenever like ff14.

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*audience laughter*

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Originally Posted by Conundrum

The people familiar with MMO PR already know, the YoshiP devout will consider you a blasphemer and never believe.

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After all, he cried once during a LL.

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Originally Posted by Minthe

Since this is on the topic of Lost Ark, which founders pack is most worth it?

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All of them, if you can buy all of them then buy them all. Otherwise whatever one is the most expensive.

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Originally Posted by Minthe

Since this is on the topic of Lost Ark, which founders pack is most worth it?

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Apparently Gold has the most value from what I've heard. If you just wanna play casually IMO it would be Bronze.

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Originally Posted by Conundrum

The people familiar with MMO PR already know, the YoshiP devout will consider you a blasphemer and never believe.

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Honestly. I have over 1000 days of /playtime and am a pretty hardcore FF14 player. But I can still see the flaws of the game. Some people truly treat it as a personal attack whenever you criticize FF14. The retorts they make stem from an emotional reaction.

This kind of blind positivity and intolerance of critiques is going to ruin FF14 one day. It's also frankly kind of weird, bordering on unsettling, seeing the amount of people (not all) who act as if they're in a cult. Thank God most people I know who play this game, IRL or not, are sane and see through the PR talk lol.

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Originally Posted by Minthe

Since this is on the topic of Lost Ark, which founders pack is most worth it?

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That will be gold. Mostly because in-game currency and 30 days of premium cover the cost of the pack and everything else is an extra. However, my recommendation will be to wait for it to be free and try it out enough till you know you like it (from personal experience from others games I recommend to wait till the honeymoon is over). I will bet my two arms and legs that at some point in the future others packs will be available.

If you are tempted to get the most expensive one for that exclusive cosmetic I should warn you, and everyone else, that those skins are old and compare to current stuff are meh. Most, if not all, don't support current dye system either.

Another recommendation is to ignore premium sub as long as you are levelling, so even if you get a pack don't use right away. NA/EU version is pure QoL compared to Korea.

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Originally Posted by Lily_Skye

dont worry lost ark will be dead in two months like new world

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Bit disingenuous to say this. Find it a bit funny the ff community likes to rag on other mmo’s but then cries and screams and sends death threats to people who rag on ff.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

Bit disingenuous to say this. Find it a bit funny the ff community likes to rag on other mmo’s but then cries and screams and sends death threats to people who rag on ff.

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It's more about past experiences. Just about every new MMO that has released in recent years has either flopped insanely hard or faded into obscurity. This isn't an FF community thing. This is an internet "been around the block more than once" thing.

One day you'll need 23000 trophies to do ultimate and people will really realize what gatekeeping is.
If you do ultimate or savage or any other content it is only because the developers allow you to do it.

Doing HL on lost ark is about the same as getting 23000 trophies on ff14. Or rather it would be if you don't pay 50 bucks a month.

Good news for those who play ultimate, despite the absurd accusations you make about the game's business model and despite the fact that you constantly shit on the developers of ff14, they don't intend to put ultimate behind a daily arbsurd farm or behind a pay to win wall.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

It's more about past experiences. Just about every new MMO that has released in recent years has either flopped insanely hard or faded into obscurity. This isn't an FF community thing. This is an internet "been around the block more than once" thing.

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Right but it’s a bit damning to just immediately write an mmo off as “lul totally not gonna last.” I think people need to learn from the beautiful themes this game grants us and have hope. Didn’t people say the exact same about 14 after 1.0 and look what happened lol. I think people are just scared about competition.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

Right but it’s a bit damning to just immediately write an mmo off as “lul totally not gonna last.” I think people need to learn from the beautiful themes this game grants us and have hope. Didn’t people say the exact same about 14 after 1.0 and look what happened lol. I think people are just scared about competition.

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FF XIV was insanely lucky. Don't ever recall seeing a game die, get burnt to the ground and rebuilt again into a massive success quite like FF XIV has been. I'd love to see more competition arise. Competition leads to innovation. But at this point people are getting their hopes up repeatedly with new MMOs, only leading to disappointment. This one will be no different, judging by their business model. They clearly just want to make as much money as possible before people start leaving. They aren't interested in making a good game.

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Originally Posted by Skiros

I wish people stopped repeating that Yoshida quote because based on how the game is designed, it absolutely does not want you to unsub. Otherwise there wouldn't be things as housing demolition, or staggering content to come out in different weeks each patch (6.1, 6.11, 6.15...).

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On the contrary, I think he would rather someone unsub and take a break and come back instead of burn our and leave for extremely long time. I wish people would quit taking the 3rd party program stuff he has said completely out of context and warping it into the pathological lie beating stick it has become today. Large difference between subjects but the point I am getting across to you is one is in context, and one is not.

My comment is the guy literally point blank said take breaks we encourage that. Come back and enjoy it when you do come back.

I took his advice took a nice long break because I thought the last expansion sucked. I came back and thoroughly enjoyed my time so far. I'm probably not playing as the developers have envisioned a person should play. I dont do dailies, dont care one whit for savage or ex trials, and I get my rocks off rotating furniture for hours on end and helping with fc related things. I may direct queue for dungeons or do dailies with fc members from time to time but the "point" of the game whether it be story or getting my ilvl up, or even leveling every jurb to 90 is like the last stuff in Eorzea I am even playing the game for.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

Right but it’s a bit damning to just immediately write an mmo off as “lul totally not gonna last.” I think people need to learn from the beautiful themes this game grants us and have hope. Didn’t people say the exact same about 14 after 1.0 and look what happened lol. I think people are just scared about competition.

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Arche Age (was going to kill XIV) B&S (was going to kill XIV) Black Desert (was going to kill XIV)... New World.... Theres a pattern here.

I've played most MMOs, I started with Guild Wars, then SWG, Lineage 2, WoW, XI, TOR, Tera, GW2, WildStar, A bunch of obscure ones no ones ever heard of... Etc. XIV wasn't my first MMO, its just the one I've stuck with the longest. And its the one that's lasted (for me).

Most recent MMOs coming out have simply been cash grabs. Every MMO that had a founders pack to buy into... has faded into obscurity.... That's not bias, that's precedence.

I bought a bronze pack & then I received another one…? I mean, I'm not complaining, worked out in my favour because I couldn’t decide on the black cat or white cat, but now I have both

What’s the likelihood of them taking it back?

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

FF XIV was insanely lucky. Don't ever recall seeing a game die, get burnt to the ground and rebuilt again into a massive success quite like FF XIV has been. I'd love to see more competition arise. Competition leads to innovation. But at this point people are getting their hopes up repeatedly with new MMOs, only leading to disappointment. This one will be no different, judging by their business model. They clearly just want to make as much money as possible before people start leaving. They aren't interested in making a good game.

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They care so much to make money over making a good game that in their last fan fest equivalent game director announced a change that will decreased their revenue in approximated a 17%. Like it or not Last Ark, after their bad launch, is growing in a steady pace with a happy community that enjoy their game. (turn out that Korean fans purchased billboard adds, or something similar to that. to cheer out the game director during his visit to LA before NA/EU launch. This Koreans pay to win for everything).

As I said before I don't like how Lost Ark plays so I going to skip it and don't care if others will play or not... but duck me.

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Originally Posted by SherlottaEryut

I bought a bronze pack & then I received another one…? I mean, I'm not complaining, worked out in my favour because I couldn’t decide on the black cat or white cat, but now I have both

What’s the likelihood of them taking it back?

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Are you sure you got another one? Seems to be a event around twitch and they are giving away some stuff to everyone for reaching certain milestones.

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Originally Posted by Driavna

They care so much to make money over making a good game that in their last fan fest equivalent game director announced a change that will decreased their revenue in approximated a 17%. Like it or not Last Ark, after their bad launch, is growing in a steady pace with a happy community that enjoy their game. (turn out that Korean fans buy add to cheer out the game director during their visit to LA before NA/EU launch. This Koreans pay to win for everything).

As I said before I don't like how Lost Ark plays so I going to skip it and don't care if others will play or not... but duck me.

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Considering the many, many ways they monetize the game 17% probably isn't much. If their fans did exactly as you said, they probably made that 17% back in under a day. And I'm sure it will go back up eventually once they know who all is sticking around. As you said, Koreans pay to win for everything. I'll be here in a couple month's time, eagerly awaiting to hear how successful it is by then. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Driavna

Are you sure you got another one? Seems to be a event around twitch and they are giving away some stuff to everyone for reaching certain milestones.

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Oh absolutely, I’m positive
I can’t use that ‘founders title scroll’ thing in my inventory because I’ve already claimed it. I just checked my bank and haven’t been double charged… it’s so strange.

I did end up googling it just now and apparently it’s happening to quite a few people

Played a few hours last night and came away not really getting what I was expecting. It markets itself as an MMO, and so many people keep touting it as "The Next Big MMO," but it actually doesn't feel much like an MMO at all. There's barely any character customization (heck, unless they hid it somehow there isn't even a height slider). There's pretty much no real open world as the non-town areas are basically corridors and clearings like the evil Sylph area in the East Shroud. It actually doesn't even look very good, particularly if you're slowing down and seeing NPC animations and such (even in cutscenes).It just feels so lacking in what I think most people look for in an MMO, or at least people that have been playing the genre for a long time. I can't speak to the monetization stuff as I opened the store once and then closed it after seeing what sort of outfits were available at launch.

But, the combat looks and feels fantastic. There aren't a lot of skills for each job, but you can customize each in a variety of ways to create different builds (and this expands even further from what I understand once you get to end game).

So, yeah, as long as you're fighting or thinking about fighting it was really fun.. but if you're not then it really doesn't hold up well. I really feels like it's made for one of two player types:
1.) You only really care about combat, progression and build crafting but don't really care for the rest of "that MMO stuff" (or maybe this is your first MMO to toe dip into and you're coming from games where those facets are the only things that matter)
2.) You're a Diablo 3 fan that wants more people to play with and a persistently online world. Because, yeah, despite the ton of people protesting otherwise, this game really does look, feel and play almost exactly like the next game in the Diablo series

It's probably worth a try as it's free and all that, but I really don't see it being the "Next Big MMO" at all even if it does find it's own player base with the Western release

I just can't deal with the top down isometric view thing.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

Considering the many, many ways they monetize the game 17% probably isn't much. If their fans did exactly as you said, they probably made that 17% back in under a day. And I'm sure it will go back up eventually once they know who all is sticking around. As you said, Koreans pay to win for everything. I'll be here in a couple month's time, eagerly awaiting to hear how successful it is by then. :rolleyes:

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Can you tell me a few of those many many ways? I'm really curious now.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Arche Age (was going to kill XIV) B&S (was going to kill XIV) Black Desert (was going to kill XIV)... New World.... Theres a pattern here.

I've played most MMOs, I started with Guild Wars, then SWG, Lineage 2, WoW, XI, TOR, Tera, GW2, WildStar, A bunch of obscure ones no ones ever heard of... Etc. XIV wasn't my first MMO, its just the one I've stuck with the longest. And its the one that's lasted (for me).

Most recent MMOs coming out have simply been cash grabs. Every MMO that had a founders pack to buy into... has faded into obscurity.... That's not bias, that's precedence.

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Right, but everyone is different. The game from the little bit of data i’ve seen is growing it’s fanbase at a fairly good pace. I think it’s far too early to simply say it’s going to die, but this isn’t the first time i’ve seen someone on here express insecurities and talking down another mmo. It’s why i find it hypocritical because people are so quick to say “this mmo is gonna sink” but then, this community clearly can’t handle that same kind of criticism as we’ve had numerous examples of the community sending death threats to people who say the game is bad or play another mmo.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

FF XIV was insanely lucky. Don't ever recall seeing a game die, get burnt to the ground and rebuilt again into a massive success quite like FF XIV has been. I'd love to see more competition arise. Competition leads to innovation. But at this point people are getting their hopes up repeatedly with new MMOs, only leading to disappointment. This one will be no different, judging by their business model. They clearly just want to make as much money as possible before people start leaving. They aren't interested in making a good game.

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Every company wants to make as much money as possible though. 14 is no different. We pay a $15 sub every month. If you want more inventory space you need to pay for that. They didnt even bother to stop sales directly after early access when they saw during early access people couldnt get into the game after 4-5 hours, they continued selling until the servers basically blew up.After 6-8 years we havent even seen a revamp to the character customization despite all the money the game has made(since i saw someone bashing the other games character creation). I understand people see some of the devs like yoshi p as gods and sure, those devs may care about the game, but the fact is the higher ups only care about money. Lost Ark is at the very least f2p and doesnt require a sub.

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Originally Posted by Sauteed

On the contrary, I think he would rather someone unsub and take a break and come back instead of burn our and leave for extremely long time. I wish people would quit taking the 3rd party program stuff he has said completely out of context and warping it into the pathological lie beating stick it has become today. Large difference between subjects but the point I am getting across to you is one is in context, and one is not.

My comment is the guy literally point blank said take breaks we encourage that. Come back and enjoy it when you do come back.

I took his advice took a nice long break because I thought the last expansion sucked. I came back and thoroughly enjoyed my time so far. I'm probably not playing as the developers have envisioned a person should play. I dont do dailies, dont care one whit for savage or ex trials, and I get my rocks off rotating furniture for hours on end and helping with fc related things. I may direct queue for dungeons or do dailies with fc members from time to time but the "point" of the game whether it be story or getting my ilvl up, or even leveling every jurb to 90 is like the last stuff in Eorzea I am even playing the game for.

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I believe that's more driven by commercial reasoning than anything in all honesty; PR aside, his perspective seems to be that consumers' limited time is vying for multiple competing "on-demand" forms of entertainment, so if the game is too demanding it'd put off players from picking it up altogether. I suspect that's the logic here.

With that said, if you look at their recent investor press release here, they're attributing the YoY rise in their sales and profit for digital entertainment to XIV primarily, both in terms of EW and growing subs. I very much doubt they'd be pleased with a "unsub any time" mentality if the subs collapsed from say 1m to 500k to use a made up number. IMO, it's more a case that they've set out to ensure that the game has just so many hooks that it retains a stable sub base to bring in a healthy profit but not so demanding/grindy that it begins to hurt that. So they accept some attrition/drift with that in mind. Coupled with containing costs as much as is possible. This is about ensuring a steady stream of profit by knowing the preferences of the bulk of their target audience, more than anything. The carefully managed PR helps do that.

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Originally Posted by Skiros

Honestly. I have over 1000 days of /playtime and am a pretty hardcore FF14 player. But I can still see the flaws of the game. Some people truly treat it as a personal attack whenever you criticize FF14. The retorts they make stem from an emotional reaction.

This kind of blind positivity and intolerance of critiques is going to ruin FF14 one day. It's also frankly kind of weird, bordering on unsettling, seeing the amount of people (not all) who act as if they're in a cult. Thank God most people I know who play this game, IRL or not, are sane and see through the PR talk lol.

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Agree with that. It's what I hate most about blind fanboyism tbh. It's not good for the game itself.

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Originally Posted by SherlottaEryut

Oh absolutely, I’m positive
I can’t use that ‘founders title scroll’ thing in my inventory because I’ve already claimed it. I just checked my bank and haven’t been double charged… it’s so strange.

I did end up googling it just now and apparently it’s happening to quite a few people

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It's their mistake, worst case scenario any extra items will be removed from you but that's about it. And I doubt they will bother. If I was you I will claim it and forget about it.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

Right but it’s a bit damning to just immediately write an mmo off as “lul totally not gonna last.” I think people need to learn from the beautiful themes this game grants us and have hope. Didn’t people say the exact same about 14 after 1.0 and look what happened lol. I think people are just scared about competition.

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Most of us who have been around a while see prettier and prettier MMOs making the same mistakes, I can even list the main ones.

- The general gaming community is not interested in punishing games, they are and will always be niche.

- The general gaming community is not interested in lots of grinding.

- Current MMO devs (the ones that aren't MBAs who never played a video game) tend to be made up of first and second generation MMO players, trying to recreate EverQuest or WoW, or some PvP focused MMO that modern MMO players don't want.

- Along with the previous item, the MMO fanbase has a group of loud but ultimate not numerically significant first and second gen MMO players who claim to want old school MMOs or PvP MMOs, they do not speak for much of anyone.

So when devs do those above things, they unsurprisingly crash and burn.

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Originally Posted by Conundrum

Most of us who have been around a while see prettier and prettier MMOs making the same mistakes, I can even list the main ones.

- The general gaming community is not interested in punishing games, they are and will always be niche.

- The general gaming community is not interested in lots of grinding.

- Current MMO devs (the ones that aren't MBAs who never played a video game) tend to be made up of first and second generation MMO players, trying to recreate EverQuest or WoW, or some PvP focused MMO that modern MMO players don't want.

- Along with the previous item, the MMO fanbase has a group of loud but ultimate not numerically significant first and second gen MMO players who claim to want old school MMOs or PvP MMOs, they do not speak for much of anyone.

So when devs do those above things, they unsurprisingly crash and burn.

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I've been around for awhile. i just think its possible for games to grow despite people basically begging for it to come crashing down. Every game has its problems, 14 has many. If a game has good development it might surprise people how good it can be.

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Originally Posted by Conundrum

Most of us who have been around a while see prettier and prettier MMOs making the same mistakes, I can even list the main ones.

- The general gaming community is not interested in punishing games, they are and will always be niche.

- The general gaming community is not interested in lots of grinding.

- Current MMO devs (the ones that aren't MBAs who never played a video game) tend to be made up of first and second generation MMO players, trying to recreate EverQuest or WoW, or some PvP focused MMO that modern MMO players don't want.

- Along with the previous item, the MMO fanbase has a group of loud but ultimate not numerically significant first and second gen MMO players who claim to want old school MMOs or PvP MMOs, they do not speak for much of anyone.

So when devs do those above things, they unsurprisingly crash and burn.

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The Dead Ends of MMOs.

Although that bolded category characterises some of the ones I am hoping (against all the odds) don't crash and burn...

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Originally Posted by WhiteWitch

I just find it weird how we keep getting all these cookie cutter pvp mmos. And gameforge ends up buying them and making them trash. Nobody actually wants to make a fun themepark anymore with good story.

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It's the same reason devs love FPSs. It's cheap and relatively easy to make maps and weapons and armor, then thrown players in let them make the story and actual content around the assets. Building AI, and story and related stuff is hard.

Do you guys even ever pause to consider whether you should be talking about a game despite having no knowledge of it? LA is a theme park MMO. There are a lot of issues with LA but the rabid fervent barking is just sad and reeks of insecurity.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

Lost Ark is at the very least f2p and doesnt require a sub.

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You write this like it's a positive, but it's not. Sub-based MMOs have without exception always been the most successful formula for MMOs. The sub ensures steady income for the developers and guarantees that the game will not become P2W and be riddled with unending grind unless you pay while the only upgrades you get are to the massive in-game cash shop.

F2P is a terrible model for any quality MMO, and these games always degenerate within a few years time. Not a single memorable F2P MMO exists.

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Originally Posted by Imoye

You write this like it's a positive, but it's not. Sub-based MMOs have without exception always been the most successful formula for MMOs. The sub ensures steady income for the developers and guarantees that the game will not become P2W and be riddled with unending grind unless you pay while the only upgrades you get are to the massive in-game cash shop.

F2P is a terrible model for any quality MMO, and these games always degenerate within a few years time. Not a single memorable F2P MMO exists.

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Yet even with it being a sub based mmo i continue to see downgrades and a lack of improvements with specific aspects of 14. My point however was moreso about companies wanting to make as much money as possible, sub based mmo’s are a good example of this.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

Yet even with it being a sub based mmo i continue to see downgrades and a lack of improvements with specific aspects of 14. My point however was moreso about companies wanting to make as much money as possible, sub based mmo’s are a good example of this.

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I don't think anyone's really doubting that gaming companies are in it to make money. There's not really a debate to be had there. It simply is.

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Originally Posted by Skiros

Do you guys even ever pause to consider whether you should be talking about a game despite having no knowledge of it? LA is a theme park MMO. There are a lot of issues with LA but the rabid fervent barking is just sad and reeks of insecurity.

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I was rooting for it, as I do with just about every new MMO. Like I said before, I WANT there to be competition. I just don't have any expectations at this point, and there is a long line of MMOs who have tried and failed. There's quite a precedent already set.

Me: Log on after work, do normal raids, run expert roulette, log off per usual.

Forum: ZOMG GAME IS LITERALLY DECEASED.