I'm not sure we are playing the same game. Tanking in this game is NOT hard. Raids are scripted (nothing random to adapt to), Dungeons / Bosses are the same. There is NO difficulty in tanking within XIV. Its just simple buster coming use CD, aoe coming shield pt etc etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnSeal
do you think this Wall to Wall pulling (in roulettes)is hurting the healer population
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09-29-2019, 09:13 PMNomuno
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09-29-2019, 09:47 PMShalanWe do intend to heal, it's just that healing isn't what we wind up spending the majority of our time doing as a result of this game's design. Most fights are scripted/have predictable damage and both the tanks and ourselves are so loaded with OGCD mitigation and healing that it's very common to spend upwards of 70% of any dungeon/encounter doing DPS. Even when we do wall to wall pulls we can still spend the majority of our time DPSing. If a tank isn't doing wall to wall pulls sometimes we don't even have to heal at all (beyond one or two OGCDs).Quote:
Originally Posted by Nomuno
Just take a look at the average ability count cast for this SCH's dungeon run, and realize this was before everyone was overgeared to hell and back from doing Eden.
That's two abilities forming more than half of all spells cast in the dungeon. Imagine if another job was in this state, spamming nothing but one or two buttons all dungeon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ayesafaile
Despite this being the way the game has worked for years, SE continues to dumb down and remove our DPS abilities, making the role more and more boring for us. Their incompetence or unwillingness to see the reality of this role's situation is driving people away, and they've repeatedly shown misunderstanding of how healers play at such a fundamental level it's mind boggling. -
09-29-2019, 10:06 PMMPNZBecause sch dots were a mix of enfeeblement and damage which helped mitigate damage, from what I remember, so it literally helped reduce incoming damage, which is what blind does. It makes it so the enemy misses more often. Also, early level dungeons can be like a reverse stone vigil experience so it goes from "OMG, I'm going to rest for a few hours because that was so exhausting" to "that was so boring I'm going do something else for a few hours". Also, there are way better ways than turning the whole experience into cow-clicker or into an MMO version of FF all of the Bravest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nomuno
Oh, and FYI: the issues of bow-mage were not acceptable for similar core reasons as AST and SCH are atm. And, their concerns are just as valid despite detractors
Especially, with a good party. So much of problematic tnk damage is literally from eating aoes or being below minimum ilv. It can be like night and day just by having them move out of aoesQuote:
Originally Posted by Shalan
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09-29-2019, 10:12 PMNomunoTrust me I know what the current state of healers are in this game. But my point still stands. You're a healer, not a dps. Simply complaining that content isn't engaging enough (or like the OP saying content is too hard as one) The problem is the casualness of this game... they made dungeons a snoozefest and THAT is why you broil/aow/holy/whateverthehellastrosdo for days in the dungeons. Another thing that could/should be done is healers should have more utility. If you give healers more stuff to do that is engaging with the party I think it would fix a lot of 1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2 that's going on. (buffs, stuff to esuna etc) there are plenty of options.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shalan
Your casting is not much different than a bard (sure you are casting AoW a crap ton but your lack of healing is not because of a lack of ability) your lack of healing is from a lack of difficulty.
Either way, I don't think healers should be dps focused anyways, I'd rather you be able to buff everyone to boost an actual dps. That's just my thoughts
p.s. you have so many CD's you could be going through in dungeons on a regular basis from looking at these casts btw. You could be doing WAY more, you just choose not too... -
09-29-2019, 10:15 PMRilifaneAre you not reading what people write? They WANT to heal. Nobody said they don't want to heal. But they CAN'T because there just isn't enough to heal. If everyone is full HP or at least safe, what am I to do? Continue heal spam just so I was healing? Pick my nose?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nomuno
The problem is, that there isn't enough to heal.
On my very first E1S kill on WHM, my first raid ever when I was insecure and didn't know the fight safe for a video guide before getting thrown into it, over 50% of my casts were Dia and Glare. I was actually extremely careful with dpsing because I didn't know the fight well enough. And I still spent over half my time dpsing while healing a good chunk more than my co healer. Not because he was bad but because there wasn't more to do.
Which is why I switched to dps and won't touch healer unless stricly neccessary. Not because I prefer dpsing over healing but because if I spent the majority of my time dpsing, I want it to feel varied, rewarding and engaging.
Spenting over half my time pushing exactly two buttons isn't rewarding or engaging, it's boring and I despise it. -
09-29-2019, 10:24 PMLiam_HarperThere's always going to be content you overgear or that you get a really good group for that takes little damage. If this happens and all you have are buffs as filler, what do you do when everyone is topped off and buffed? Spam overwrite your buffs or twiddle your thumbs?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nomuno
Dps as a healer works fine for a filler because it's always useful, the issue is it's not a filler in most cases, it's the bulk of our casts and it's far too simple. There needs to be more damage going out even in easier content, our heal toolkit is just too good, particularly aoe and ogcd heal and we could do with an actual dps toolkit rather than 1-2 buttons so our filler time is actually engaging. -
09-29-2019, 10:30 PMNomunoI read everything..... its the same crap from SB, and HW before that, and ARR before that. No matter how they change it, its never good enough because healers have this dillusion that they should be a dps. Its not class design... its CONTENT DESIGN. The same people clamoring "did you even read? o.O" are the same damn people who AREN'T READING. You want to heal more? THEN TELL ALL THE SNOWFLAKES TO STOP MAKING THIS GAME SO DAMN EASYQuote:
Originally Posted by Rilifane
That's the problem. Then what happens is you get lazy arse healers, who think the game is a cakewalk going into savage. THEN get mad when they get facerolled by content they have no idea how to play. THEN come in here complaining that there is no healers in content because its hard. HUH? are YOU actually reading? Game design is why you aren't healing...something people need to acknowledge. -
09-29-2019, 10:57 PMMPNZFPS games are super casual friendly with high skill ceilings, but have been like forevar as totally elitist and toxic environments while more challenging (Megaman Zero, bullet hell shooters) or densely packed (FFVIII, Disgaea) games will usually end up being several levels of niche because of their difficulty in comparrison, or incompatibility with netflix watching, in my experience. You're definitely not going to win by soap-boxing about casuals. In terms of something else to do: AST had a really good system that was very engaging than the current, which is both frustratingly frantic and totally boring at the same time, and that was done because of player complaints, community memes, and data from bad player habits from imitating w/o understanding whyQuote:
Originally Posted by Nomuno
Also, the game could use more "how they mitigate" and "how they heal" in the past over the near endless redundancies that literally plague WHM in every iteration like the current. And, bards feels like it's empty right now with questionable changes, new actions, and our new gauge that's like lillies (4.0) but with music. Job design is definitely the low point of FF14 right now -
09-29-2019, 11:01 PMNomunoYou assumed I meant to take away what little dps skills you have and replace with utility .. no I meant add more utility to existing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liam_Harper
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09-29-2019, 11:05 PMNomunoSorry you don't enjoy bard, I actually do. (more akin to a ranger, and that's more my style) Either way, I have no idea what you are going on about, literally. (not sure where FPS games / Netflix came from in all of this o.O)Quote:
Originally Posted by MPNZ
Im not sure what you are saying? If this game gets harder its going to get toxic? I'm not asking for harder savage content. Im asking for harder normal content. Have you been to Eureka? The regular mobs there are about what the difficulty should be IMO (minus all the elemental stuff)
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09-29-2019, 11:19 PMRilifaneMind telling me what snowflakes you are even talking about?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nomuno
Because the people here on the forum are not asking for simplification nor do I hear complains about savage content being too hard. The only thing that was brought up recently regarding difficulty is the question wether the dps check on Voidwalker is too tight or not with the vast majority thinking that it is not. The topic about the lack of healers for E4S was because many healers quit their job after the ShB changes.
So I have honestly no idea what complaining snowflakes you are talking about.
I am reading but I still think you don't quite get the point most (ex) healer mains here make:
they want to heal but the content isn't designed in a way that asks for a lot of healing, including most savage fights. Nobody denied that this is a content problem and a lot of people here explicitely stated that they would prefer more outgoing damage in general and more randomness to it so you can't push your oGCDs like a clockwork to deal with the majority of it while you keep spamming Glare/ Broil/ malefic.
Just because it's a content problem doesn't make our concern invalid.
No matter what the reason for it is, the point still stands that healers have a lot of downtime with precious little to occupy it. Both in casual and endgame content. -
09-29-2019, 11:56 PMMPNZWhich means that it's a total design fail like the bow-mage, and birthed ranger trolls. It's not unfun as not as satisfying or rewarding to play or manipulate and abuse various things. And, bewilderment as to current design changes overall with several feeling really out of touchQuote:
Originally Posted by Nomuno
FPS games are both notoriously toxic and elitist environments as they are super easy to play and improve (low skill floor = less difficulty) to higher skill levels and doing lots of amazing feats (high skill ceiling = heights of player ability within a given game). The "casual" being a particular strawman that you just like totally invoked. And, the current AST is simpler, requires a lot more to upkeep with a lot less time to do it, and has very little depth than the previous version, but is way easier to get to it's maximum potential, for example.
Platformers like MMZ are notoriously hard and have a niche fanbases that rarely break into the Mainstream in comparison to the more casual friendly genres like FPS and block/stack puzzlers, and, like, a lot of ppl do play this game while watching netflix which is just totes impossible for me and I don't know how they do it -
09-30-2019, 01:46 AMNellen
I'm actually fairly in line with OP and I have a feeling people who share that opinion are keeping quiet because of the force of the "but I'm bored" responses here.
I was a healer main from late stage ARR, but I switched to DPS after taking a break in SB because when I came back everyone had slid into the expectation of everyone knowing what they were doing and being completely overgeared in the levelling dungeons and as a healer with at-level crafted&quest gear I absolutely could not keep up with the large pulls and communicating that "new healer, low gear" only worked some of the time, other times it got me yelled at or group kicked.
That said, I was used to healing the big pulls in ARR and HW (though I still occasionally got the tank who thought they could do things they could not, it was rare I couldn't handle it), but I had never fallen behind in gear level nor had I ever had to experience the dungeons as someone new at a point when the rest of the community already had them memorized, so I knew what my issues were and didn't so much blame the big pulls as realize the way the game works. And I had no desire whatsoever to put up with that ever again, and the fix (to not heal) seemed simple enough. Because of the experience I had, I prefer the small pulls, and I always comm tanks who do them (especially when the tanks themselves are clearly new and have realized their limitations), but I never expect them.
Now I have levelled all the healer jobs in ShB, and I actually don't mind the changes much, but I did my healers with trusts and with people I know. Those people I know do always do the big pulls, but they're in voice and warn me if they don't have all their cooldowns up so I can be ready to use mine, etc., and I don't find healing big pulls with people I know to be a problem at all. But the experiences with random tanks are, just that, random, and I don't enjoy that, so I don't heal for pick-ups anymore. I feel like that's less a complaint than a recognition of my own preferences. I'd rather sit through dps queues when my friends aren't around than not know in advance what I'm going to get from my group. -
09-30-2019, 02:12 AMhynaku
I use to be a healer all the way to when shadowbringers came out not anymore sold all my healers gear or traded it in for fc credits. Because of what they did to them. Unless they change ast. and scholar back not playing one again. I will just stick with machinist and red mage as a main jobs.
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09-30-2019, 02:42 AMMesarthimIf this is what you got out of all of this I'm going to assume you don't actually understand anything about what the problem is.Quote:
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09-30-2019, 03:00 AMFawkesI totally agree. Unfortunately SE disagrees. They took away things like Protect/Eye for an Eye/Celestial Opposition/Time Dilation. They don't want us doing anything but pressing the heal button or the DPS button.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nomuno
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09-30-2019, 03:33 AMVideraYou know nothing of the issue at hand. The issue at hand is because very little of the content in this game is genuinely threatening outside of savage, and even then you have obscene downtime. You can, and will, spend most of your time pressing one button, and another every thirty seconds. That's not interesting gameplay. People are mad because the gameplay isn't interesting whatsoever.Quote:
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We want to heal, have very little to heal, and we want interesting DPS kits to compensate for FFXIV's game design. -
09-30-2019, 04:26 AMForteNightshadeCorrection. They want us primarily pressing the heal buttons and only sporadically pressing the DPS button but refuse to design content where the former is ever needed since it might be too hard.Quote:
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09-30-2019, 04:49 AMKrojack
I'm fine with wall to wall pulling but only IF the tank ask before hand. If they just start doing it then I enjoy letting them sit at the edge of death and even letting them die once.
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09-30-2019, 04:55 AMErryK
Personally, wall-to-wall pulling I assume by default. If they pull smaller, I won't say anything, it's just boring and I pretty much never have to heal the tank with GCDs until I'm out of oGCDs. If the tank isn't geared, I always expect to have to pull the extra weight because naturally blaming priority is always healer > tank > enemy > DPS. :rolleyes:
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09-30-2019, 05:08 AMMoonliteQuote:
Originally Posted by Shalan
I actually wondered if giving healers the party buff job and adding debuffs that are impactful it would make people happier. If only healers had buffs it would remove the argument over X dps is better than Y because of buff. It would allow tweaking dps a bit easier. Also reduce dps tool kit allowing for some new stuff or some of the removed stuff to come back in a new version. It would increase the non dps skills for healers and sort of fit in the back row helper play style. I know we would end up with a thread bad healer not buffing dps properly. But we can have a 100 different X not doing job properly. Debuff skills could be balanced to make them worthless on trash packs, but a good punch on bosses which last a bit longer. -
09-30-2019, 06:15 AMShalanTo be honest, I'd prefer more a more buff/debuff style gameplay over DPS when not healing as well. We used to have them (particularly with AST), and I really miss my old cards, Stella, and Disable. But we've seen over the last two expansions SE repeatedly cutting those abilities away and they show no inclination of giving them back. In fact with the cards, they've outright stated it's not going to change back, so we ASTs will have to put up with being a balance bot for our support fun.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moonlite
But since the devs continuously refuse to communicate with us over the state of our role or any future plans/ideas we're left to fume and turn a hopeful gaze towards DPS. Because gimped as it is right now, it's something we presently have and do, so it's something we can discuss active improvements upon instead of just empty wishes. -
09-30-2019, 06:23 AMNomunoQuote:
Originally Posted by MPNZ
Again what the heck are you talking about. Where is this toxic argument going? I'm confused, are you just trying to make a point that if this game gets harder that it will get toxic? and you are calling my argument strawman? Give me a break, ANY game can be toxic, and EVERY game has a toxic fanbase (size may vary). That itself is inevitable. You will always have people that get their rocks off on griefing or just whooping a players butt.
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09-30-2019, 06:25 AMNomunoYou don't have an option. I'm very much expressing my opinion, just like youQuote:
Originally Posted by Mesarthim
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09-30-2019, 06:27 AMNomunoWell then play a redmage. I don't personally think healers need more dps, they need some utitility.Quote:
Originally Posted by Videra
To the bolded, literally said that its a content design issue like 9 times
Then you clearly missed all the live letters where Yoshi has been saying "we understand combat is too difficult" they literally have said nothing over the past year before SHB came out besides "streamline combat" "easier Combat" It's not news that this game is SUPER CASUAL.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shalan
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09-30-2019, 06:58 AMMPNZTLDR, FPS games are very casual friendly, but are considered "hardcore" despite being accessible to all skill levels and time constraints/schedules. It is thus a genre filled with casual players, and was like an example because "casual" is used as a strawman or like a scapegoat to form a mob-mentality behind instead of like recognizing and looking for a solutionQuote:
Originally Posted by Nomuno
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09-30-2019, 07:04 AMMesarthimAnd you're right that you can express your opinion, but maybe you could at least pretend to understand the other side of the story instead of projecting onto others what you think they should be doing. There is an inherent problem in this game that revolves around healers that Square Enix is not properly addressing (skimming on this part):Quote:
Originally Posted by Nomuno
Too powerful and plentiful oGCD healing
Too little damage received barring some savage floors
No real options in downtime besides spamming one button
Utility was just flat out removed from AST. There is nothing else for healers to do besides be brainless healbots. Now here's the thing... THERE IS BASICALLY NO CONTENT THAT REQUIRES CONSTANT HEAL SPAM, at least beyond a few wall pulls (that is mostly handled by oGCD heals, not GCD). Even then I am reasonably keeping up with damage spamming one button compared to the tank and dps.
Square Enix is not designing a game around the kind of healing they want done. You claim we "should just play a dps if we want to dps" but maybe you should realize that the game doesn't make us heal as much as Square thinks we should. No smart healer will purposely overheal just for the sake of "omg why aren't you healing and only healing!". -
09-30-2019, 12:14 PMVideraNo, I don't think I will.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nomuno
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09-30-2019, 12:37 PMForteNightshadeI have long felt the same myself. You could even keep DPS abilities but make it the last thing you fall back on after healing, buffs and debuffs. Not only does that better justify it being extremely simplistic but essentially turns the healer role into support. They do a little of everything but offer low personal damage themselves as a result. I suspect a lot more healer mains would appreciate this direction than "spam Glare/Broil/Malefic". Unfortunately, it's unlikely SE ever implements something like this because their stance has always been "we don't want to make things too hard for new healers." It's that mindset alone which straggles the healer role.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moonlite
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09-30-2019, 03:17 PMKanuKano
I used to heal consistently back in SB and did it well enough to earn a few praises from time to time. Enjoyed it a bit too. But healing in this expansion was a huge miss. I just can't find any motivation to play healer besides when I wanted to finish the role quests. But now that those are done with, I reluctantly do a leveling roulette as a healer from time to time and just stop after one dungeon.
It's just so boring. It's so boring I wanna cry. I'm not even a healer main. -
09-30-2019, 05:10 PMFhaerron
Tank main here.
But when I go as heal I leave groups where tank refuses to wall to wall pull.
It's simply not fun, yes it's very easy to trow in loads of DPS casts as a healer when tank does single pack pulls but wall to wall pulling is a lot faster, and you're still albe to trow in some AoE spells every now and then while keeping tank alive.
And as a WHM it's also easy to spam holy and use it defensively as well as all the mobs get interrupted. -
09-30-2019, 06:36 PMSenorPatty
As a tank, I've rarely met healers who didn't want mass pulls, especially WHM. Heck, the latter seem to be practically be on their knees, praying that I mass pull just so they can feel something as they play.
From my perspective, what killed the healer population are the changes that came to their toolkit. And no new healer. -
09-30-2019, 06:45 PMSaidosha
Think some are just over-complicating the issue. Sure, job changes or content stagnation may be a factor, but the reality is that the healer and tank roles have pretty much been the minority population in all MMOs ever. The intrinsic problem with both roles is that they tend to carry a higher degree of responsibility that not everyone is willing to undertake, while some also further abuse that status. This thread has been pretty demonstrative that people feel there is a right way and a wrong way to play the role(s), where some might still derive failure even if the party survives and clears content.
To that end, adding another healer class wouldn't really change anything. It'll largely be the same people just ping-ponging between the classes depending on their mood, with some drawn in by the aesthetic/feel, while others get repulsed by it. You'll see a brief surge when it comes to leveling, sure, but in a few weeks it'll pretty much be business as usual.
Ultimately, I think it comes down to the game adhering to the holy trinity so stringently. You can say to put debuffs on healers, but they would all need the same spread, lest one be preferred over the other. Insert cries of homogenization here were that the case. From the FFXI perspective, I know I wasn't really a fan of such rock/paper/scissors sort of balancing since there was very rarely an adequate middle ground to satisfy everyone. Career RDMs there would also know the pain of debuff immunities and, for a brunt of the game's life, lacking variety despite that being an implied niche. Overall, I'd say it's similar to why elemental resistances were largely purged here. It's no fun to have a favored job, just for it to have no place in the current content meta and require extra steps just to get people to give you a chance.
Right now, I'd probably say we do need some tweaks largely across the board to engender a bit more class identity, but I would also not look at it from the perspective that it should affirm wall-to-wall pulls, raider mentality, or the sometimes questionable role confusion that goes on. We also need to be wary of ability bloat, as the gamepad has its limits, nor does everyone have gamer mice/keyboards. To that end, I'd argue we actually need a better macro system and something like morphic buttons, but I've kinda jumped to too many topics already so I'll shush now. -
09-30-2019, 07:21 PMSlopranoI think this is imporant because I've had to try to put into words why I spew so much bile about my favorite job in 4.0 and specially now in 5.0. The reason I don't play a DPS is because "Healer" was just the assigned role Scholar had when I unlocked it back in 2.0. They could've assigned it to Tank or DPS role, or Window Cleaner, whatever arbitrary role they put Scholar in I'd play it because it was so much fun.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nomuno
This is why I'm so adverse against what SE did in 4.0 and specially in 5.0. They seemingly stopped thinking about the job in a vacuum in a "how much cool Scholar stuff can we put into this job"-attitude, as opposed to "how much more Healer can we make this job." Healing happend to be the assigned role and so I healed. And the job had some shields, so I shielded. And it had not one, but two fairies with seperate skills on their own gcd, so I put them to use too. And it inherited from Arcanist, so I started putting up dots and using it's tools. And cross-class skills gave me Protect, Stoneskin, Aero and Cleric Stance, so I started finding ways use those too. When I logged on and signed up for something I was thinking I was going as Scholar first, healer second.
Feel we're in this rut because of roles and with more choices than there is slots for those roles. By trying to make them all just as lucrative as each other they just end up making them the same. And I'm only here because somehow Scholar wasn't Healer enough and have been beaten into conformity.
This thread do touch on a variety of topics so just to stay on those too; I enjoyed it all. Scholar was bursting at the seams with potential. If they wanted to go slow: I had dots, cleric stance fairies etc. They wanted to pull everything? Okay, need put all mitigating and healing skills to the test. It's this design philosopy they had from ARR I'd wish they'd kept too: Make the job on it's own fun and give it it's fundamentals from early levels in it's class, then add from there. Not this thing we got in 5.0 where the job is no more than it's Role. -
09-30-2019, 10:52 PMMansion
My personal feeling here is more Shadowbringers' take on healing in general that made me less and less motivated to heal in roulettes actually. I do like to DPS as a healer, and that's not so much the problem here, it's more that I feel the game is lazily trying to make me heal more.
FFXIV's take on healing is (was) quite refreshing and interesting actually, it's nice to see you can contribute to DPS effort and that you can somehow work around healing (through shields, regens, planned healing and stuff) and for some jobs, have a bit more to do. Since 5.0, it feels uninspired to me that the only way to make us heal more is to make tanks take more damage and nerf heal potencies.
I would rather see more healing abilities like Earthly Star / Excog / Recitation, or some spell combos that could equally heal and damage (or buff/debuff). Being encouraged to and rewarded when I plan healing properly, having a proper rotation for downtime (not just big DPS, but feeling like I contribute to something when healing checks are met).
Essentially, I just want to have fun when I heal, and it's not that fun to me to spam the same 2 or 3 spells / abilities to keep the tank alive.
I don't mind big pulls, I just want it to be fun.
This tier I did not heal in Savage, so I guess I can't tell, but casual healing does not hook me anymore (and the game itself as a matter of fact). The lack of response to our feedback on healing in general is not reassuring nor motivating either. -
09-30-2019, 11:04 PMNoitems
Healers got so absolutely boned in this expac that anything less then a wall to wall is asking them to throw out a regen and take a nap.
I mainly play tank but when I was leveling WHM I loved when tanks pull w2w. Getting some holy spam, ogcds, Misery, it feels good to be like another dps in the midst of it all. -
10-01-2019, 03:10 AMArthrun
Played my WHM with some things to get a perspective to wall to wall healing as I am normally a tank.
I honestly have to say that the way dungeons are now...where you are limited to 2 pulls before a wall opens up is not the issue. IMO there are times you need to pull to wall to even feel like you belong in the group when a 3rd dps would be just as efficiant. I personally dislike the fact that healers are expected to dps during down times.... and there is quite a bit downtime between healing spells. -
10-01-2019, 04:15 AMMelichoirW2W pulling isnt an issue unless the healer is poorly geared, or hte Tank/Party are not handling mob sizes correctly. This is something a tank needs to check for when pulling. If the healer is fresh 80, pulling W2W might not be advised. This being said, if your tanks arent interrupting and using CDs correctly, or your DPS arent using AoE rotations or standing in pancakes, dont matter how good your healer is. This isnt a healer issue, rather than player skill floor issue.Quote:
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10-01-2019, 11:40 AMYojimboMThat's because there is. This is FFXIV. This MMO is baby games. You have your Fisher-Price rotations that have exactly ONE specific way to do them correctly. That's all you get. They are mathematically-proven to be the most efficient ways to play the jobs. This is because there is not a single piece of content in this game that isn't ultimately "reduce an HP bar to 0 to win", so naturally doing DPS is the only thing that matters. This is true for both healers and tanks. Healers want to contribute more DPS so they have to heal less, tanks want to contribute more DPS so they don't have to use as many defensive cooldowns.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saidosha
That's really the main issue with every argument between "big pulls vs. small pulls", big pulls are always better, period. It is mathematically more efficient in every way, less healing needs to be done, less damage is ultimately taken, you are in combat for less time. The only catch is that people need to play their jobs in the correct way to accomplish it, which brings us to the argument, people who play their jobs incorrectly (or don't have gear in leveling dungeons) vs. people who play them correctly.
However, the reason that there are fewer healers this expansion is because that main factor in playing a job correctly (the rotation) has become so simplified and brainless on every healing job that it is no longer fun. WHM is the only healer that even feels mostly the same as before the expansion and it was already the most simple to play. When you make a job's rotation involve no thought at all, it is no longer engaging, and no longer fun or interesting to play for most experienced players. -
10-01-2019, 01:18 PMSaidosha
"It's not fast enough for me, so it's wrong!" is what I was getting at, which the true indicator is whether or not the group succeeds. I get it, though, doing whatever faster means you can do something else faster still. Unfortunately, there just tends to be too many variables at play to guarantee you'll get that perfect run no matter how much you try to downplay the game's difficulty. If one feels inclined to cry about PUGs not meeting their standards, either politely try to teach if it's possible in the moment or don't PUG and make your own groups so you have greater control of the field.
MMOs aren't the sorts of games to be playing if you're obsessed with not losing a few minutes here and there due to outside factors.