Weird english

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Originally Posted by Nestama

And now that I think about it, Ishgard has the Machinist guild. Guns and flying turrets that do not at all match a medieval setting o:

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That's true! So then does that make Ishgard steampunk medieval? Medieval steampunk? FLYING TURRETS!

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Originally Posted by ErryK

OMG this is so adorable. People trying to push the JP-audio/text agenda.

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I'll admit, I do normally prefer the Japanese audio in some games, but this game just isn't one of them. The English localization is too good. :x Just my opinion, but the Japanese audio just doesn't sound... right. Characters don't really have much emotion.

I like the use of the dialects to show region disparity. it is pretty much as some have said, takes on the many "fantasy tropes" that have popped up over the past century(ies). As an example WoW for the most part reads like a teen fantasy novel at best, and there is little differentiation between the races mon! (horde has it a bit better :P) Now, all of this is subjective though, and if people didn't enjoy the "teen novel" style those books wouldn't sell so well, still its a disservice to the loc team to try and insist their work is inferior because of a lack of understanding dialects and their nuance.

OMG this is so adorable. People trying to push the JP-audio/text agenda.

I understand that the English dialogue is as it is, to give that sort of old, fantasy feel, and I do like it to some extent. But imo it would have more of an impact if only some of the npcs spoke in this way. in short bursts, it's fine, but in longer cutscenes I just lose the thread of exactly what anyones talking about, so some of the story is probably lost on me.

my personal preference would be if the older npcs, and primals spoke like that, but then there were also some "normal-speaking" people on the team that could sort of keep it on track. they could even have bits where our character's like "wtf's he on about?" and then someone explains

English is not my native language and often I find myself having to re-read the text or google a word or two and I love it! :) It helps me learn new words on top of making me feel like I'm in another world.

I'm German (playing with English text and Japanese audio) and let me tell you:

Be happy that you don't understand the German localization of FFXIV.
The amount of cringe that I suffered while reading the questionable translations and names for certain game mechanics caused my body to twist in unnatural ways.

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Originally Posted by ErryK

OMG this is so adorable. People trying to push the JP-audio/text agenda.

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Only in your head my dood.

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Originally Posted by Yasuhiro

Only in your head my dood.

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If it was only in my head, I wouldn't be seeing it in text though, would I? :^)

Don't push JP-text and audio as "original material" when both JP and EN localizations are the "original material".

I quite like the different speech in Eorzea. The differing dialects make the world feel more real, be it the Ala Mhigan's north-english accent or lominsan's pirate speech. Makes it authentic in my humble opinion.

Yes, it did take some time getting used to, and the voice acting ain't too great. Though it isnt bad at all. Listen to the 3.3 trailer, to Estinien in the start. It sounds really good until you see his head. Where the new (HW and onwards) voice acting falls flat is with the lip-synching. It just makes it weird.

I personally find great enjoyment in the localisation and see no reason to change it. Despite you all calling it medieval i would say its more late renaissance, where guns and similar tech was on the rise, not widely popular, but certainly existed- just like in Eorzea.

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Added an example of true medieval english (year 1387)

"For men of the est with men of the west, as it were undir the same partie of hevene, acordeth more in sownynge of speche than men of the north with men of the south, therfore it is that Mercii, that beeth men of myddel Engelond, as it were parteners of the endes, understondeth better the side langages, northerne and southerne, than northerne and southerne understondeth either other…"

Even Urianger isnt that bad...

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Because from my understanding, the Japanese translation directly to English is kind of boring, from what Koji has talked about. Like, instead of it being told like an adventure, its "He went there, and there were bad guys"

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I get that. I wouldn't want to listen to boring dialogue either.

But that's almost insinuating that modern English in of itself is boring, as if it can't be used to portray a compelling story.

I think the use of Shakespearean English was just a style choice, an aesthetically pleasing one for some, but simply unnecessary for others.

As has been said by others (and I feel that it needs repeating) the Japanese and English scripts, as well as French and German, are written concurrently with all Localization members in a constant dialogue with one another. Further, as stated by Koji Fox, the English version of the script is technically the "original" in most cases. Anyone continuing to ignore this fact, honestly, doesn't much deserve to participate in a discussion on the localization since you're not contributing anything but misinformation--you're borderline trolling.

Now that I got that out of my system, I don't find many issues with the text or dialogue in this game. As others have also said, directly translating lines of dialogue from English to Japanese, or vice versa, or in any other combination of languages, is pretty bad. You see a lot of that in older games and it is often terrible. That is why we have "localization" teams nowadays, and not just "translation" teams, since localization implies a translation of a foreign language with attention being paid to not just the language, but also the culture from which the languages originate, both in terms of country and location there within.

I'm no expert on translation, but I read quite a bit of translated--not localized--text for pleasure (largely Old World myths and legends, but some more "recent" works like The Tale of Genji or even Dante's The Divine Comedy), so I feel like I have at least some insight into the process. And I can tell you that the majority of the time, directly translated text is an absolute slog to read through. It's stilted with no flow whatsoever. But with better translators, they may add or remove words, yet still retain the meaning of a phrase or name. Even better yet, some translators will have footnotes explaining why they translated certain lines (or even single words) in the way that they did. Those notes can even be paragraphs long for goondess sake, and for a single word, at that! And that's because some words or phrases (especially idioms) simply lack an adequate translation into another language. So in context with the localization of this game, the occasional stumble included, they've done a pretty good job of it, in my opinion (although I can only speak for the English localization).

That's my little rant on this topic. Sorry if it came across as arrogant or rude at any point, but I felt I had to contribute something to this topic.

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Originally Posted by Mysteltain

That is why we have "localization" teams nowadays, and not just "translation" teams, since localization implies a translation of a foreign language with attention being paid to not just the language, but also the culture of both languages.

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The "culture" of the language tends to have fairly little meaning in the process - more important is the culture of the region you're localizing for. It's pretty much in the name, "local-ize", to make it local or suit locally. That can go as far as changing facts - Turning female heroes into males, changing the ideology of the hero from one to another etc. A very common example would be the removal of visible bones/skeletons for chinese clients - that, too, is localization. Depending on the differences between the original intended audience and the audience something is localized for, the differences between the versions can be very small or very big - imagine a bard trying to localize the story of a valiant dragonslayer for a flight of dragons. Chances are, the dragonslayer becomes a dragon in the localized version.

That said, seeing as I have no idea how the texts are supposed to look and what message is supposed to be conveyed, I'm not really qualified to judge the english localization. I personally just skip the texts if people are trying too hard to look archaic.

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Originally Posted by Zojha

The "culture" of the language tends to have fairly little meaning in the process - more important is the culture of the region you're localizing for. It's pretty much in the name, "local-ize", to make it local or suit locally. That can go as far as changing facts - Turning female heroes into males, changing the ideology of the hero from one to another etc. A very common example would be the removal of visible bones/skeletons for chinese clients - that, too, is localization. Depending on the differences between the original intended audience and the audience something is localized for, the differences between the versions can be very small or very big - imagine a bard trying to localize the story of a valiant dragonslayer for a flight of dragons. Chances are, the dragonslayer becomes a dragon in the localized version.

That said, seeing as I have no idea how the texts are supposed to look and what message is supposed to be conveyed, I'm not really qualified to judge the english localization. I personally just skip the texts if people are trying too hard to look archaic.

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Fair enough, I should have been a bit more specific. Was a bit rushed when I first typed that--I'll make a quick edit so as to not confuse the meaning.

Although you are absolutely right that such drastic changes can happen, and they especially happened back when civilizations started to meet one another. I've been reading up on Japanese myths and legends, and the sheer amount of changes that Buddhism went through on its journey from India to China to Japan, and how that altered and affected both local and national mythology, legends, and their perception of those is incredibly fascinating. And I mean that in both how Buddhism, itself, changed and how Buddhism changed the myths of the nations it passed through. A lot of what you mentioned is exactly what happened.

And I ought to have brought this up earlier, but if anyone wants an example of how bad localization can get (and I mean really bad), look up "Bowdlerize."

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Originally Posted by Nestama

And now that I think about it, Ishgard has the Machinist guild. Guns and flying turrets that do not at all match a medieval setting o:

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Its the medieval speech that is being discussed here and how off the top it is compared to the original Japanese work. The MCH presence in FFXIV has nothing to do with the genre that the English Localization team is forcing in its translation of dialogue, storylines, etc. That is why I keep saying that the English translation is very different from the Japanese work because of how old English it is.

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Originally Posted by randysquirrel

I understand that the English dialogue is as it is, to give that sort of old, fantasy feel, and I do like it to some extent. But imo it would have more of an impact if only some of the npcs spoke in this way. in short bursts, it's fine, but in longer cutscenes I just lose the thread of exactly what anyones talking about, so some of the story is probably lost on me.

my personal preference would be if the older npcs, and primals spoke like that, but then there were also some "normal-speaking" people on the team that could sort of keep it on track. they could even have bits where our character's like "wtf's he on about?" and then someone explains

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In my opinion most people in the game actually speak fairly normal English. It is mainly Hydaelyn, dragons, Urianger, and perhaps a few others that I can't recall right now, that go in for the archaic English. (And then we have the Rogue's guild who are speaking some special sort of slang/jargon.)

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Originally Posted by AshlikeSnow

original.

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http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/a5/a5b1f...dcc1f86d0f.jpg

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Originally Posted by AshlikeSnow

Its the medieval speech that is being discussed here and how off the top it is compared to the original Japanese work. The MCH presence in FFXIV has nothing to do with the genre that the English Localization team is forcing in its translation of dialogue, storylines, etc. That is why I keep saying that the English translation is very different from the Japanese work because of how old English it is.

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It really is pointless arguing with you.

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Originally Posted by Yamimarik

What original work? You don't listen to anyone, and you refuse to accept actual truth while constantly arguing circles and circles (mostly around yourself). But there is no "original work" Enkidoh pointed out to you that BOTH the English and Japanese versions of the game have been concurrently written with each other.

NOT to mention YOU completely ignore and just OUT RIGHT refuse to look at the proof someone EVEN linked for you in an earlier thread about this almost same topic.....

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

Know what else is ridiculous? You also being wrong by claiming that there's an original Japanese script.

The head English localizer flat out states that they have a hand in creating many of the game's terms and the lore. (Also in video format!) They help localize the English names and terms back into Japanese. Localization is far more than just translation.

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While I am extremely critical of the English localization team's often extremely questionable decisions, I'm always surprised to hear people complain about the way the dialogue is written, since that's one of the few things I'll miss once I'm confident enough in my kanji knowledge to say good-bye to the English text for good. The medieval flavor is very tasty, and shouldn't pose a comprehension problem to the average literate English-speaker.

My issue with the game is how different the actual content can be between languages - and I don't especially care which version is the 'original', though I do question how much of the actual writing the English side of things is responsible for (I'd wager it's mainly sidequests like Hildebrand's, and some of the basic lore, while most of the main story comes from the Japanese devs; this just seems the most efficient method, and matches with both the general flavor I would expect from writing Koji had a hand in, and past mentions regarding things like the Hildebrand questlines taking extra time because of the need to contact the devs to have certain animations made). Whether the original writing comes from the JP team, the EN team or some kid they hired off FF.net, I'm mostly concerned with the fact that the actual content does not match between languages, which is an unacceptable failure in quality from a multiplayer game where every country (Except China and Korea) plays together on the same set of servers. If I want to discuss the story with an FC mate who plays in French, I shouldn't have to worry that we got two different versions of events, or a particular character's personality came across as wildly different in her version of the game, even though we just watched the same cutscene.

For instance, one scene that I rarely see mentioned; when you first go to see Matoya, in English she's pretty harsh to Alphinaud, and (obviously) pretends to mistake him for his sister, while the Japanese line was something like 'Ah, you're Louisoix's grandchild; the boy' - where the Japanese word for grandkid is not gendered, so she specifically added a word to the sentance to point out she knew he was the grand[SON. This has always bothered me, since it makes her come off as much more of a bitch than I think she was intended to. Unless, of course, the English was the 'original' here, in which case the Japanese version should have kept the same tone, and I could happily dislike Matoya for being a rude old broad.

I feel that was more of a joke (it doesn't change the story, it just adds extra spice and personality for the character), as that was not the first time Alphinaud has been mistaken for his sister.

Rewatching that scene, the way she talked to Alphinaud was far from harsh. If anything, she was being cheeky.

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Originally Posted by Nestama

I feel that was more of a joke (it doesn't change the story, it just adds extra spice and personality for the character), as that was not the first time Alphinaud has been mistaken for his sister..

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You are speaking about the English localization I don't remember that happening ever in the Japanese take.

Then you're missing out on an old wise woman being cheeky towards the youngins.

Anyway, read what Yamimarik and Miles posted in what I quoted. You can't deny the facts (well you can, but then that just makes it even more pointless to argue with you).

I'm happy with the dated English.

With the exception of the overuse of "ever" to mean "always", which has ever felt forced, in any franchise that employs it.

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Originally Posted by AshlikeSnow

You are speaking about the English localization I don't remember that happening ever in the Japanese take.

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Which is another reason I find the Japanese lacking, personally. People just don't seem to have much personality.

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Originally Posted by Nestama

Then you're missing out on an old wise woman being cheeky towards the youngins.

Anyway, read what Yamimarik and Miles posted in what I quoted. You can't deny the facts (well you can, but then that just makes it even more pointless to argue with you).

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Your entitled to your opinion however it seems like you finally agree the English localization has differences in its translation and from what I gather differences that don't seem to really matter to you which is fine and your opinion. IMO and others it does.

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Originally Posted by Lukha

If I want to discuss the story with an FC mate who plays in French, I shouldn't have to worry that we got two different versions of events, or a particular character's personality came across as wildly different in her version of the game, even though we just watched the same cutscene.

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I never disagreed. The entire point was to get you to stop claiming there was an "original" and that the English localisation "suffers" or some nonsense like that. That's what started this entire argument.

Story/plot, lore and characters are all still exactly the same (as far as I know). If a character seems different, then it's either because the team decided to give them a little extra personality (Matoya), or tone them down a tiny bit (Haurchefant).

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Originally Posted by Nestama

I never disagreed. The entire point was to get you to stop claiming there was an "original" and that the English localisation "suffers" or some nonsense like that. That's what started this entire argument.

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Well idk what else to say my stance is that the English Localization suffers from major differences compared to the original version in that it has a medieval genre to it which is imo distracting. OP said this at the start of this thread "weird English" because of the overt use of old English that's distracting and suffering. You even tried to talk about MCH not being a medieval theme however you don't realize that I'm not calling FFXIV medieval I'm calling the English localization medieval so MCH has nothing to do with the English translation / localization. But I've said this already and seems like you don't understand my point.

Except it's not entirely medieval (we've come full circle, people).

You're still wrong about there being an 'original,' though. I can quote Miles again, if you'd like.

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Originally Posted by Alphoter5

Why make a game like that
thee,
thou,
thy

wth?

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Man I love this guy.

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Originally Posted by Nestama

Except it's not entirely medieval (we've come full circle, people).

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lol but its medieval that's all I'm saying. So to answers OP question the reason why this is here:

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Originally Posted by Alphoter5

Why make a game like that
thee,
thou,
thy

wth?

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Is because the English Localization has a medieval theme going on.

Name ten characters who specifically talk with a thee, thy and thou dialect.
Then name ten who do not specifically talk with a thee, thy and thou dialect.

You might be surprised with what you will find and that the English language has multiple dialects (once again, we've come full circle).

It's always either cats, Balmungians, or Lalafell isn't it? Also, as many have stated before there is no original script. When you set the audio to Japanese, you are hearing the Japanese translated version of the English script, but it's also the other way around. All this talk of "not the original Japanese reeee" is very pointless and factually incorrect. Heck, I'm pretty sure the English is the original when it comes to some of the dragons and Ishgard scenes considering their language is developed by Koji and not the other way around. Its way more heavily skewed towards the JAPANESE being wrong than any other. But we can't have that in a JRPG can we?

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Originally Posted by Nestama

I never disagreed. The entire point was to get you to stop claiming there was an "original" and that the English localisation "suffers" or some nonsense like that. That's what started this entire argument.

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But there is definitely an 'original', insofar as each segment MUST have first been written in one language or another and then translated; there's really no way or reason doing it any other way would make sense. It is certainly possible, even likely that the various storylines originate in different languages, because that would be the most efficient way to produce a lot of content at the fastest possible rate! But for there to be 'no original would imply that multiple teams were writing essentially the same storyline concurrently, only in different languages, which would be a terrible waste of time and resources, and also make the existence of a translation/localization team unnecessary.

Also it would go against what Fox has actually said, which, unless I recall incorrectly, was that some things are originally produced in English and translated into the other languages, while some other things originate in Japanese and are translated into the other languages. Which means, yes, that there is a definite and traceable original version! It's just that the original version might be different depending on what specific piece of content you're talking about (Case in point: Hildebrand. As I said previously, I would put a lot of money on that originating in English and likely from Fox specifically, because it's got his dorky style of humor all over it and is the one part of the game where that actually works and doesn't feel horrifically pasted on).

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Originally Posted by Nestama

Story/plot, lore and characters are all still exactly the same (as far as I know). If a character seems different, then it's either because the team decided to give them a little extra personality (Matoya), or tone them down a tiny bit (Haurchefant).

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Ooooh dear. Wrong, in fact. In Matoya's case it's fairly small; she's mostly the same crotchety old lady in Japanese, just a bit less mean about it. In Haurchefant's case, their misguided attempts at 'localizing' him botched his early MSQ character so badly that he was basically unrecognizable, and when he appeared later in the story (And in the first Heavensturn event) there were actually theories in the English speaking fandom that he'd been Tempered and was going to betray the WoL...

The English team assumed he'd be a one-off character we'd never seen again, and decided to make him into a fairly staid Stalwart Knight type of character, out of worry that his over-the-top affection for the WoL (And Adventurers in general) might rustle a few jimmies. I'd love to have seen their reactions a few patches later when his being the #1 WoL fanboy actually became a major plot-point vitally important to the lead-in to the first expansion...

In fact, it was so bad that the localization team actually issued a public apology for doing it. The post also makes it very clear that at least those scenes concerning Haurchefant definitely originated in Japanese and were translated/localized from Japanese into the other languages...meaning that Japanese would, in this case, be the definitive original.



I suspect we'll never come to an accord on this, given that I am firmly in the camp that 'Localization' and 'Translation' are not, in fact, meant to be different things. It's one thing to change a joke that no longer works linguistically; that is an important part of the translation process, because the goal is to ensure that all audiences are getting a similar experience. It's entirely another to make a humorous moment serious or (as FFXIV's localization is particularly guilty of) add a joke where there was none, because in that case you're changing the experience. If you feel the need to put 'your own spin' or stamp your personality on a translation of someone else's work, then you should probably go make your own original content instead, because you're failing both the original creator and the audience by adulterating the final product based on your own personal tastes or agenda.

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Originally Posted by Nestama

Name ten characters who specifically talk with a thee, thy and thou dialect.
Then name ten who do not specifically talk with a thee, thy and thou dialect.

You might be surprised with what you will find and that the English language has multiple dialects (once again, we've come full circle).

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Right, and given that Eorzea is not on Earth, it is totally reasonable that it would have a unique dialect and even entirely different terms, or even use existing terms in unusual ways. I really don't see why this is a difficult concept or might possibly be seen as bad in any way.

Though I will admit, Urianger could stand to be a little more plain-spoken in English, since I am given to understand that his speech patterns aren't quite so antiquated in Japanese.

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Originally Posted by Nestama

Name ten characters who specifically talk with a thee, thy and thou dialect.
Then name ten who do not specifically talk with a thee, thy and thou dialect.

You might be surprised with what you will find and that the English language has multiple dialects (once again, we've come full circle).

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Don't bother, you'll just end up going in circles over and over. No amount of pointing out how relatively modern (as in newer that Medieval, sometimes by several centuries, but still avoiding modern terms) the vast majority of the English translation is will ever get that poster to get away from their "but it's medieval theme!" rut that they are stuck in.

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Originally Posted by Nestama

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The problem that I found in the English localization was with the reoccurring roles with specific characters in the MSQ. Obviously these characters are vital to the MSQ and because of that it makes their dialogue extremely important. So its not a question about naming 10, 15, 20 characters, the problem is that the important dialogue has been translated far different and the fact that I use Japanese audio and had played with the UI in English the differences were astonishing. The certain manner in which these characters are written in English falls flat for me and so when my friends in game talk about having a difficult time with the dialogue in the story I can totally feel their disappointment. Key characters use that medieval speech and are written in this way and I just wonder is it really necessary? Of course this all subjective, if you like it then that's fine for you but I don't.

Just speaking for the Heavensward storyline and Ishgard in full, the translation team/voice actors did an excelling job all the way around. No need to touch a single thing. The 'Old Engrish" style sets the tone of the realm perfectly.

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Originally Posted by AshlikeSnow

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But the style of the dialogue the game uses and the changes made to characters in translation are really two separate issues. The archaic English is just a dialect of the language, and so there's no reason in the world that you couldn't use it and still have an accurate translation. The fact that the translation is poor is nothing to do with the dialect used and everything to do with the integrity of the translators and editors.

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Originally Posted by Lukha

But the style of the dialogue the game uses and the changes made to characters in translation are really two separate issues. The archaic English is just a dialect of the language, and so there's no reason in the world that you couldn't use it and still have an accurate translation. The fact that the translation is poor is nothing to do with the dialect used and everything to do with the integrity of the translators and editors.

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Well to get specific I remember a scene with Midgardsomr in Japanese

"Hearken to me, Hydaelyn! I remember... and I consent."

まさか、特異の者なのか？星よ・・・この者に力を貸せと、我に願うのか！

I understood "Can it be you find him special? Hydaelyn you wish me to grant him power?"

"Hearken to me, Hydaelyn! I remember... and I consent."

seriously??

In ARR scholar was my main and the English Translation on the scholar skills was also baffling. In the Japanese version of Scholar the Job is about being tactical and devising a plan of attack and defense, for example Sacred Soil in the Japanese work is "Field Treatment Formation" and Adloquium is "Encouragement Plan" Succor is "Inspiring Plan" and that really just sets how different one Job can be when its translated so differently there is an incredible difference with scholar in the English localization and I tell my friends about this and their surprised about how tactical scholar is in the original work.

Urianger is supposed to be barely understandable. Its a part of hid character; who he is. He spent so much of his life pouring over ancient texts his language became affected by it. If the rest of Eorzea speaks victorian english then he is meant to speak middle english.

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Originally Posted by ErryK

If it was only in my head

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But it is, be snarky for those sweet likes all you want. I just said I prefer the Japanese dialect, never said which is better or not so there's no agenda on my part.

also

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Originally Posted by Zigabar

http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/a5/a5b1f...dcc1f86d0f.jpg

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Can there be a rule enforced so people don't just post crappy meme images that contribute nothing?
Again, https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/ is right up your alley for that stuff.

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Originally Posted by Lukha

But there is definitely...

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To be fair, the whole ‘original’ thing came about because AshlikeSnow lorded it around as it being the only way FFXIV should be. If a character talks differently (“thou art strong, mortal”), then to them, that is apparently the localisation team failing to be faithful to the Japanese script to some extent. Person in question appears to also believes that medieval speech is all there is, when that’s really far from the truth (unless they've changed their stance and conceded, then good for them). There is ye olde, but then there’s also yar pirates, ‘normal English,’ cockney, Victorian English, etc.

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Originally Posted by Lukha

Ooooh dear. Wrong, in fact. In Matoya's case...

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Alrighty, I’ll concede with the Haurchefant… though to be honest, I still like what we got in the end (and it seems many others feel the same way). Reading into that, though, it seems that the localisation team must always get their work proof read before anything is put into the game. They also ask questions and such regarding a character and cutscene and see to it that everything is right with the plot/lore. This means that the English localisation team was given the okay to have Matoya being cheeky (not harsh, unless there was more after that ‘flirt’ quip) with Alphinaud. This also means they are given the okay for the choice in multiple dialects.

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Originally Posted by Lukha

I suspect we'll never come to an accord on this...

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And you are entitled to that opinion, but remember that Eorzea has multiple cultures that tend to borrow from English history and I’m sure even in Japanese they try to fit the dialect of the location (makes me wonder how the pirates of Limsa Lominsa speak in Japanese). Also like I said before, the English localisation team pretty much works with the Japanese team as they’re making the world and story, so the team(s) are going to ask who this person is, what their gimmick is and where they sit in the story and if they’re given the okay to give that character a little spice, then that’s what they’ll do (Matoya being cheeky) and you cannot fault them on this as they ASKED.

I am pretty darn sure the English localisation team will be asking a lot of questions for the day we ever step foot into Othard, as that place is pretty much the Asia of Hydaelyn (so we can potentially expect Asian dialects there. Which specifically? we do not know).

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Originally Posted by Lukha

Right, and given that Eorzea is not on Earth...

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It's much easier to go back into history and look up old (and current) dialects that may fit the character and setting. Easier to match a voice for the culture, so to say. I’ll admit that Urianger is pretty hipster in his ye olde speech, when everyone else around him talk normally (it makes sense for Primals and dragons, as they’re kinda from ye olde times. Maybe Ascians, too). At least we have some made up languages in the game, being Dragonspeak and to some extent, High Sylphic (currently only heard in Ramuh’s lyrics?).

Unrelated edit: I was going to keep all your arguments in the quote bubbles, but... well, that'd just make my post unnecessarily too big, don't you agree? Cleaned it up.