Is this the BEST they could come up with?

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Originally Posted by Answa

What's wrong with using Stone and Aero? They have good debuffs attached to them. Do you just want the name rather than the practice?

Also, I played FFXI for 8 years. I love that game. But I'm playing FFXIV now and I do not want the same game.

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Ya, kind of lol....It's trivial things like that, that just add up over time. What the hell is a whm doing, casting "elemental spells." They should be blm/rdm exclusive....IT doesn't make SENSE ; ;


And, I hate it...It's ruining the game for me. If the names don't matter that much to ya'll, then why not just concede and help me get it changed. I want to love this game SO bad...and SE seems desperate to see me leave :/

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Originally Posted by Rykan

Ya, kind of lol....It's trivial things like that, that just add up over time. What the hell is a whm doing, casting "elemental spells." They should be blm/rdm exclusive....IT doesn't make SENSE ; ;


And, I hate it...It's ruining the game for me. If the names don't matter that much to ya'll, then why not just concede and help me get it changed. I want to love this game SO bad...and SE seems desperate to see me leave :/

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Every FF title changes things a lot. You'd think people would get used to it after 14 games.

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Originally Posted by Valmonte

Whats wrong with Rasp,Choke,Gravel? do you have something against Diversity?

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That old strategy of "you don't like vegetables so you must hate being healthy".

My only issue with combining shell and protect is the name. When combined they were always known as Barrier.

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Originally Posted by Rykan

Ya, kind of lol....It's trivial things like that, that just add up over time. What the hell is a whm doing, casting "elemental spells." They should be blm/rdm exclusive....IT doesn't make SENSE ; ;


And, I hate it...It's ruining the game for me. If the names don't matter that much to ya'll, then why not just concede and help me get it changed. I want to love this game SO bad...and SE seems desperate to see me leave :/

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that's because they don't want XI Vets, They want the WoW Players....and they will get WoW Players and in 2 years tops the game will look like it did before the merger. SE is making the same mistake's as Trion, NCsoft an the other Lot of copy cats, they will get but never hold a reliable player base.

All I've gotten out of this thread is that Rokien figured out how to log in to 2 accounts at once, and is now working with himself to attempt the forming of a semi-valid argument.

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Originally Posted by Answa

That old strategy of "you don't like vegetables so you must hate being healthy".

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Except in your case that is not a fact, your more likely to die or become weak if you eat too much of either meat or vegetables.

a balance must be made much like my argument, Balance Diversity And effectiveness instead of choosing one over the other.

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Originally Posted by Impulse

All I've gotten out of this thread is that Rokien figured out how to log in to 2 accounts at once, and is now working with himself to attempt the forming of a semi-valid argument.

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We need a a Rokien/Rykan Simulator Chart! :D

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Originally Posted by Impulse

All I've gotten out of this thread is that Rokien figured out how to log in to 2 accounts at once, and is now working with himself to attempt the forming of a semi-valid argument.

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Wow, once again, you ppl prove there is no room for independent thought on these forums....Ya'll are just a bunch of FFXI-haters who simply refuse to listen to reason.

Embrace the ignorance, haters. It's all you'll have left, when this game dies in a year.

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Originally Posted by Rykan

Wow, once again, you ppl prove there is no room for independent thought on these forums....Ya'll are just a bunch of FFXI-haters who simply refuse to listen to reason.

Embrace the ignorance, haters. It's all you'll have left, when this game dies in a year.

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Embrace the ignorance, haters. It's all you'll have left, when this game dies in a year.

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That just further invalidates your Argument. and since you think its going to fail.. I suppose there's no reason for you to be here then?

btw I played FFXI for 8 years now playing it again with my girlfriend now... just food for you tiny wittle brain

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Originally Posted by Valmonte

Except in your case that is not a fact, your more likely to die or become weak if you eat too much of either meat or vegetables.

a balance must be made much like my argument, Balance Diversity And effectiveness instead of choosing one over the other.

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We have both.

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Originally Posted by Rykan

Wow, once again, you ppl prove there is no room for independent thought on these forums....Ya'll are just a bunch of FFXI-haters who simply refuse to listen to reason.

Embrace the ignorance, haters. It's all you'll have left, when this game dies in a year.

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Getting mad at us doesn't exactly prove that you're superior to us as far as your "points" go.

I demand moar cancer!

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Originally Posted by Answa

We have both.

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no We dont

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Originally Posted by Valmonte

no We dont

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Fine. I have both.

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Originally Posted by Keith_Dragoon

My only issue with combining shell and protect is the name. When combined they were always known as Barrier.

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Barrier could be pretty shweet if they added some kind of unison skill system that combines certain abilities for new ultimates. I'd like if battle regimen did that.

Honestly I don't think shell is quite out for the count. The trait conjurers have makes it so protect gives more magic defense meaning that it pretty much only gives defense mainly. So if another class were to use it it would only get a bit more physical defense and crap for magic defense.

As for shell its most likely going to be an arcanima skill. As an arcanist trait it would probably increase the physical defense gained by shell. You know? kinda vice versa.

These skills are also mutually exclusive to make the battle more tactful, when both are available.

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Originally Posted by Rykan

Wow, once again, you ppl prove there is no room for independent thought on these forums....Ya'll are just a bunch of FFXI-haters who simply refuse to listen to reason.

Embrace the ignorance, haters. It's all you'll have left, when this game dies in a year.

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Right. Now, excuse me while I tab back to XI and run around Port Jeuno.

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Originally Posted by Answa

Fine. I have both.

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now your learning, You maybe content with what you have, However i find this Cookie Cutter nonsense is getting old. Class Diversity was eliminated with everyone now possessing the same skill set...with no room for diversity. I am not content with that

the best part of this thread is that they explicitly stated Shell would be coming back later on. like, explicitly.

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Originally Posted by Valmonte

now your learning, You maybe content with what you have, However i find this Cookie Cutter nonsense is getting old. Class Diversity was eliminated with everyone now possessing the same skill set...with no room for diversity. I am not content with that

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What's the alternative? Skill trees? I hate those, especially in MMOs. The biggest draw-in of this game for me is that one character is capable of doing anything and everything they want, without fear of going wrong. The only thing that deviates from this is choosing cities and GCs, but it's really not a big deal (especially once we start having 8 characters per server).

I don't even know where you got class diversity from anyway. Nobody's talking about what you just defined except you.

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Originally Posted by Teakwood

the best part of this thread is that they explicitly stated Shell would be coming back later on. like, explicitly.

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Heck, Shell is even on the game at the moment, though I think the only way a player can acquire it is through a GC-only potion, Ironwill Unguent, was it. I do have 11 of those stocked on my retainer

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Originally Posted by Achtzen

I demand moar cancer!

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http://i.imgur.com/60cXL.jpg

No really this whole thread did....

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Originally Posted by Answa

What's the alternative? Skill trees? I hate those, especially in MMOs. The biggest draw-in of this game for me is that one character is capable of doing anything and everything they want, without fear of going wrong. The only thing that deviates from this is choosing cities and GCs, but it's really not a big deal (especially once we start having 8 characters per server).

I don't even know where you got class diversity from anyway. Nobody's talking about what you just defined except you.

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Skill tree's? Try Skills you know those things everyone wants crushed together because there either
A) to stupid to setup a Skill macro
B) there just so lazy, moving the mouse cursor few inches to the left or right causes undue strain.
C) there all about efficiency over any amount of enjoyability.
D)All of the above

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Originally Posted by Valmonte

Skill tree's? Try Skills you know those things everyone wants crushed together because there either
A) to stupid to setup a Skill macro
B) there just so lazy, moving the mouse cursor few inches to the left or right causes undue strain.
C) there all about efficiency over any amount of enjoyability.
D)All of the above

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Yeah, I have no idea what you're talking about anymore.

OP should probably actually have experienced endgame content on multiple levels before declaring that everything is broken.

Also, you state that casting shell and protect make you feel like you're actually doing your job, but you only want to have to do it every thirty minutes. You state that casting multiple spells make you feel like doing something, but in the end it's just for your own nostalgic reasons.

In all actuality 5 minutes is all that's needed for pretty much any boss battle, barring a few. When you've experience these boss battles, and actually masteredd rotations/dps/avoiding abilities/healing/buffing, then maybe your argument will be valid.

i'm one of the ones that enjoyed the original battle system much more than the system we have now. wow thunder>thunder>thunder is so much fun............

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Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1

i'm one of the ones that enjoyed the original battle system much more than the system we have now. wow thunder>thunder>thunder is so much fun............

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The solution to that is to stop playing BLM. ^^

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Originally Posted by Achtzen

I demand moar cancer!

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That's bad juju!

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Originally Posted by Kitfox

The solution to that is to stop playing BLM. ^^

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that was just an example, but i actually liked pretty much all of the original classes more. i enjoyed the diversity that the original system had as opposed to this cookie cutter setup that is in place now.

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Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1

that was just an example, but i actually liked pretty much all of the original classes more. i enjoyed the diversity that the original system had as opposed to this cookie cutter setup that is in place now.

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I kind of agree with dark here. I miss Astral/Umbral on THM, I miss water element, I miss CNJ being about elements rather than Cure, Cure, Stone for magic evasion down so the THMs can burn it. I miss THM having enfeebling magic spells. I miss PGL being able to stack skill effects like Concussive Blow. I miss the speed bonus on Power Surge for Lancer.

I dunno, in some weird way, even though the jobs have more defined "roles" somehow the skills seem less and less unique. There's one way to play each job/class and only that one way, no option for skills, no flexibility in combat. It's all turning into "If you want to beat X, the party setup is Y."

Isn't this thread some month too late? oO
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Originally Posted by Rykan

I want Shell back; I want it and Protect to last longer than 30 f@#$ing seconds;

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Protect last much longer than 30 second and shell is in protect, if protect was casted by conjurer. If you want Shell and don't have a conjurer with you, use Ironwill Unguent (This foul-smelling salve increases magic defense. (Effect: Shell)).

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Originally Posted by Keith_Dragoon

My only issue with combining shell and protect is the name. When combined they were always known as Barrier.

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SE: " We change the name from protect in barrier"
Random thread title : " Why have barrier no magic def if it isn't castet from a conjurer?"

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Originally Posted by Valmonte

What i wouldn't do to get Spirit Dart and Mage Weapon skills back it was a hell of a lot better than sitting there with my thumb up my ass waiting for mp to Regen.

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Use simple and easy to make Ethers and you have another problem solved. ^.~

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Originally Posted by Chozo4

Use simple and easy to make Ethers and you have another problem solved. ^.~

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That recover barely the cost of one spell and have a cooldown...yeah...that's solving the problem...

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Originally Posted by Kiroh

I kind of agree with dark here. I miss Astral/Umbral on THM, I miss water element, I miss CNJ being about elements rather than Cure, Cure, Stone for magic evasion down so the THMs can burn it. I miss THM having enfeebling magic spells. I miss PGL being able to stack skill effects like Concussive Blow. I miss the speed bonus on Power Surge for Lancer.

I dunno, in some weird way, even though the jobs have more defined "roles" somehow the skills seem less and less unique. There's one way to play each job/class and only that one way, no option for skills, no flexibility in combat. It's all turning into "If you want to beat X, the party setup is Y."

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that's what i am talking about actually.

the old tank you had 5mil hate abilities it felt like and each tank played it a little different. now all tanks use the same abilities because that's all that's offered.

cnj could play as a nuker or healer so it wasn't stuck into the single role of healer. with things like debuffs/buffs/heals/nukes/battle regimens each cnj you ran across played differently. now they are all just carbon copies of each other.

thm could heal/nuke/dot/enfeeble and they weren't just casting either fire in a combo or thunder in a combo. the class took the choices and took them down to you play this class exactly this way.

pug you had multiple different ways to build tp with pummel and it's combo base attack. the best thing pug did originally was it was a fantastic class to use with the incap that the game had and the battle regimens.

mrd i do feel like has become much more fun to play than it was originally. to me it was just too slow originally, but i feel like the changes to it has made it a much more fun class to play now over what it was early in the game.

lancer i feel has also improved over what it was originally. it was more fast pace originally, but i feel the abilities now have made it a much more viable class and more strategic and that i do like alot.

archer i loved originally. it seems that it is almost the same speed as it was originally, but with the skill revamps i feel that it's abilities are lacking now compared to what it had at release.

i just feel the class revamps didn't need to be as extreme as they were. i like the defining of the roles by the addition of jobs, but i feel like when they changed the classes the way they did it got rid of the good aspects of the armory system. the classes were meant to be jack of all trades and they have became a job without changing the names. to me the classes should have been toned down some, but not completely holed them into the exact same role that their advanced job was. the classes needed multiple ways to be played because they needed that second fall back to role to be able to allow for the second job per class(example thm with dot's and nukes).

I remember a time when you couldn't recover MP.

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Originally Posted by Kiroh

That recover barely the cost of one spell and have a cooldown...yeah...that's solving the problem...

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Then use elixir. You can farm them

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Originally Posted by Answa

I remember a time when you couldn't recover MP.

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Yeah, thank god that time only lasted like 2 months of the game's life and the game is now well over a year old and bringing this up is totally not a red herring to distract from a problem by browbeating people into feeling guilty because it was much worse for you back in the day like you're some kind of old man who lived through the German bombing raids of London during World War II....

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Originally Posted by Felis

Then use elixir. You can farm them

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Which have a 5 minute cooldown, which TOTALLY solves any and all problems related to mp foreverz.

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Originally Posted by Kiroh

Yeah, thank god that time only lasted like 2 months of the game's life and the game is now well over a year old and bringing this up is totally not a red herring to distract from a problem by browbeating people into feeling guilty because it was much worse for you back in the day like you're some kind of old man who lived through the German bombing raids of London during World War II....

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that's not mentioning that was back when even the big spells cost was below 100mp to use and there was multiple ways to recover mp back then. back then there was things like siphon mp that could just about completely recover your mp from empty to full. if you ever ran out of mp back in those days you were pretty pathetic honestly so there was no reason to need mp recovery.

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Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1

that's not mentioning that was back when even the big spells cost was below 100mp to use and there was multiple ways to recover mp back then. back then there was things like siphon mp that could just about completely recover your mp from empty to full. if you ever ran out of mp back in those days you were pretty pathetic honestly so there was no reason to need mp recovery.

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Also, the 10 min recast MP recovery skills for both mage classes.

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Originally Posted by Kiroh

Also, the 10 min recast MP recovery skills for both mage classes.

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yeah. i also left off having stygian spikes that gave you mp everytime you were attacked physically.