Do NOT bring Kaiten back

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Originally Posted by Vencio

More the reason why remove unnecessary abilities & buff what’s needed makes a nice-go, hence why Kaiten was selected.

Who took the jam out of your donut?

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Coming from the player who doesn't know how to play the game? Sorry, I've put you in the "ignore everything" category as you have no value to add to any conversation.

But I am playing the game, not sure how you quantify “playing the game” with experience

Playing the game and knowing what you're doing are pretty significant differences. You do not know what you're doing based on all of your replies. Between your opinions on kaiten and your blatant ignorance on third eye....its best if people just ignore you.

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Originally Posted by Vencio

I don’t know,

Third eye is just redundantly useless & needs to go as well

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Originally Posted by Vencio

More the reason why remove unnecessary abilities & buff what’s needed makes a nice-go, hence why Kaiten was selected.

Who took the jam out of your donut?

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How many abilities would you like each job to have?

Just need to know where you want to stop trimming.

Of all moves, Third Eye is the next choice select people are putting forward for removal?

At this point, they can foolishly deny it till they are blue in the face, but its clear this is just malicious trolling at this point. Either that, or these people are hoping for the the game to be entirely changed from what it was to something entirely else, point and click easy. Think we are dealing with a level of self centered-ness that can be rationalized, or even communicated with.

Never my intent to insult or demean others myself... (call out foolishness, yes...) but removing third eye is just as idiotic as removing kaiten.

Don't have anything else to call it other then trolling when the suggestions are to effectively remove any skill that gives flavor and specific game feeling to a class.


You don't use Third Eye? Fine... Your loss. Just because you don't take advantage of something thats available to you, doesn't make it useless. It just means you have more to learn regarding the class, are just lazy and bad, or... well... we're circling back around to the 'obvious troll'.

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Originally Posted by YukiB

How many abilities would you like each job to have?

Just need to know where you want to stop trimming.

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I know its been said SE doesn't really visit these forums...


But its my own juvenile hope that SE will see posts, like ones from this guy, realize that he is effectively a representation of their 6.1 change... And feel so incredibly foolish and regrettable about how they could make game direction decisions that are essentially in line with what Vencio has been posting...
Have a moment of self awareness and see the glaring divide in the facts expressed by the lopsided sides of this debate...
And then give a public apology, SAM is reverted back to before 6.1, and SE expresses to the player base that they understand how completely blind their homogenization and simplification approach across all the classes has been. How limited in planning and how reflective of other massive mmo failures it is, and starts to revert back to each class having fun, unique identities... Including Tanks and Healers.


The most unlikely of delusions... But while we are sitting here with out kaiten and trolls are requesting third eye be next... its fun to dream.

It is not what I ‘ve deemed which abilities should be removed & which ones to be buffed or merged despite stating I don’t see the use for third eye as the premise behind that seems far to put focus on whilst in the middle of conducting my combos.

It was not within my domain obviously to have Kaiten removed prior to 6.1 but do I endorse? Absolutely.

Being a console player I don’t see the point of having more additional skills into my hot bar & certainly will NOT add an extra hot bar on the side or more as I like visualize focus & appreciate the gameplay experience within the game & have attentiveness to my avatar’s surroundings. Therefore this is why I support to have less abilities, merged & buff the ones still active.

I am very pragmatic & just stick to straightforward solutions. I don’t expect anyone to be onboard with me or speaking on anyone’s behalf; just me, why not?

Regarding Kaiten being removed has helped me to focus more on SAM far than before.

Apparently this cause a “civil unrest” unto me due to simply….objecting otherwise, particularly those that heavily invest themselves beyond the game as though its a holy relic of some sorts (mostly PC players I pressume & those within the “savage” domain).

Why in the world am I being a called a Troll? i seriously don’t have a clue….just only saw reactions & previously this was mentioned before on other posts, to have equally met hostility & labelling of course.

My stance & approaches may have been misinterpreted or rather came to upfront, and so has anyone’s.

Truly this is becoming no different than WoW’s community, and glad some people here truly showed their true colors as I have & really I have nothing to hide from my avatar’s achievements profile or forum posts as certain individuals (without mentioning names) has quantified my overall comprehension of SAM & gameplay experience.

All in all,

This is where we at, at limbo!

Third Eye isn't bloat. It's an oGCD mitigation that gives an extra bit of gauge. It used to also grant a counter that was cheaper and on par with Shinten, as far as Kenki is concerned.

Kaiten was something that allowed for actual gauge management on a kit that hardly needs to do any sort of gauge managing at all. Without it, there's nothing to pool and nothing to think about. The job is more brainless than it used to be and the reward for doing our combos and building up Sen is barely a reward anymore as those same combos do the exact same damage as the iaijutsu.

There's a lot wrong with the design as far as class fantasy goes. No one has argued that it doesn't do well. The problem is the feeling. Like... like if you were to get a cheeseburger that naturally comes with all the usual condiments... but those condiments are just not there anymore.

You still have a cheeseburger, but its less than it should be. You can still eat it, and you can still enjoy the taste. But you know it's not what it was or should be.

Your strict adherence to the idea that the devs taking things away from us is good isn't bad. It's just different. But you telling us we're whining, or that we should get over it, or that we should just accept what we don't want, while also advocating for more removal is setting a lot of people off.

The way something is phrased matters, so if you're really genuine about expressing these differing opinions, maybe do so without coming across as antagonistic or condescending.

You'll get less pushback from folks that way.

Also keep in mind folks have grown frustrated over the extended silence from the devs. That's another reason why most of us are taking such comments with a lot of resistance.

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Originally Posted by Shibu_Mizaku

SE is already at that point sadly. All you have to do is look at what happened to Healers to see that. Admittedly, DPS players account for a massive chunk of the playerbase so things might actually get changed back but I wouldn't get your hopes up.

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My hopium is that that they finally overreached by going after the DPS too, and the outrage will finally catch up and make them reconsider their design priorities and what they have done to healers and half the tanks.

Shut up, let me dream.

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Originally Posted by Vencio

Regarding Kaiten being removed has helped me to focus more on SAM far than before.

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The "SAM focus" in 4 hours/week average gameplay time, mostly spent in PvP? lol

How do I know? This way: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post5958254

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Originally Posted by xAFROx

Third Eye isn't bloat. It's an oGCD mitigation that gives an extra bit of gauge.

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The important thing about Third Eye isn't actually what it does though - it's what you have to do to optimize it, which is pay attention to all unavoidable AOE, which is normally something that only healers need to be mindful of.

The reward is important in terms of incentive, but its real value is the impact on gameplay by enticing you to pay attention to an entire additional facet of the encounter.

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Originally Posted by AsiTsurugi

The "SAM focus" in 4 hours/week average gameplay time, mostly spent in PvP? lol

How do I know? This way: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post5958254

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And you’re point….being?

Please ellaborate or peek further at my other posts

First, I shall remain civil and attack your arguments only

1. In the 6.1 patch note reading stream, Yoshi-P specifically asked for players to provide feedback after they have played with the changes. We are doing exactly this. In both the JP and NA forums (FR/DE forums being unfortunately dead), there are innumerable players registering on the forums for the first time ever to voice their discontent.

2. In 5.0, Hagakure and Energy Drain was removed, causing massive outcry not unlike what we have here. The changes were reverted in the following patch. So no, it is not a done deal.

3. "No further logic needed" is just a bad faith argument. There have been threads dissecting and debunking every single reason the devs stated for the samurai adjustments - Be it to reduce action bloat, button bloat, reduce damage curve and variability, removing restriction - so on and so forth. None of the stated reasons holds up to scrutiny. Yoshi-P himself knows the changes are vastly unpopular during the patch note reading stream, having simply skipped through the samurai changes section without elaboration. The devs are human, they make errors and their logic isn't infallible, and they asked for feedback.

4. A vast number of controller players have experessed that they have no trouble keybinding everything, and Kaiten wasn't even a problem for the few who do feel the real estate getting tight.

5. Whether samurai feels fine or not is entirely in the subjective. However, what is objective is that there are fewer ways to expend Kenki, fewer nuances to using kenki, the big hits are numerically much lower than before, and samurai contributing less to the party in an optimized endgame encounter. Specifically in the new Ultimate, Samurai is the least played melee by far.

Now then, let me address you, Vencio.

What is your deal here? If you are simply providing feedback, then most people would not have an issue, after all yoshi-P did ask for them and I have no intention of telling you otherwise.
But you seem to be dead set on disregarding all the dissenting voices, to the point of not engaging with valid arguments. Your responses mostly focused on replying to the ad-hominem attacks against you (which, I digress, is a bad form of argument)

So let me ask, why are you seemingly so against the notion that Kaiten could be reinstated?

By your own admission (in this thread and others), you have not been playing samurai for very long, nor do you engage in any content above MSQ difficulty. In any and all content that you engage with, you will not be required to play "optimally", so to speak. In any and all content that you engage with, you did not have to press Kaiten. This will not change even if they reinstate Kaiten.

If Kaiten is reinstated, you have the option of not pressing the button. It would not affect your gameplay. It would not affect the gameplay of the majority of samurai players who engage with the game at a casual, story level.

To be charitable, are you perhaps trying to defend the devs from attacks? Know that there is a distinct difference between providing sound criticism and personal attacks. In all the threads I've seen in the NA forums, even the most aggressively worded ones address only the devs' ability to do their job, and not their personhood. And, as stated above, the devs are not infallible, they asked for feedback, you do not need to defend them.

To be, well, less-than-charitable and bordering on an ad-hominem projection against you, are you perhaps insecure about your own inability and/or inadequacy to press one more button? Are you so petulantly unable to accept the fact that the gameplay have nuances and that others are playing better than you, that you delight in the fact that others be dragged down to your level?

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Originally Posted by Vencio

And you’re point….being?

Please ellaborate or peek further at my other posts

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If most of your time spent playing SAM is only in PvP, it makes your opinions about Kaiten look laughably ignorant. Sure, you "play SAM" but jobs have such vastly different kits in PvE and PvP that they may as well be different jobs with similar aesthetics. I'm pretty sure Kaiten was never a part of SAM's PvP kit at any point in the history of this game.

If this was a thread about people being upset over Domino's Pizza changing the recipe for their pizza crust, you'd (hypothetically) be the guy insisting there was nothing wrong with the new crust, while conveniently forgetting to mention you've only ever ordered from their salad menu.

No, on the contrary its no business of mine’s how others cherish their gameplay, nor do I influence & so shouldn’t anyone.

I am not defending anyone or the Devs at all; again only stating my own thoughts.

Drag anyone at my level? Are you making this personal? Again only stating the current state of 6.1 seems to be at ease for me & I don’t have to bring an audience with mind-like individuals as much as you. For what really?

You’re still missing the point, I appraise the amalgamated abilities and either buff or remove one’s that its up to devs to deemed whatever measurement that may be & I am happy about it.

I appreciate your input nonetheless! Thankfully its civil

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Originally Posted by Vencio

I don’t see the use for third eye as the premise behind that seems far to put focus on whilst in the middle of conducting my combos.

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What the hell are you on about? Third eye is not part of the global cooldown....You can literally weave it in between your combos. There's zero reason not to use it. Its not part of the GCD, it reduces damage you take from a raid wide aoe and it gives kenki.

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Originally Posted by Xenon_S

Now then, let me address you, Vencio.

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You are giving the guy a lot of credit. I don't believe it to be fair that he just be attacked for his opinion either...

But he has posting history going back to 6.1 (and maybe before) of these style of posts. He has been antagonistic from the start and he immediately hypocritically turns around to play the victim of being attacked 'for his opinion', when that is his very purpose in these forums, determined directly by his own actions.


People have been responding to him as they have specifically because he has effectively been begging for that type of response from the very start. And it seems pretty clear that he revels in the attention (which admittedly, many of us have afforded him) and is desperate for more. (To the point of even making a specific special thread to reiterate a point he has expressed countless times before, every chance/day he gets, despite the fact its directly contradictory to the very point he is trying to make in the first place.).


Normally I would make greater efforts to not engage in a troll... However, he has been so self defeating and backwards in what he claims, I can't help but encouraging him at this point because its comical and seemingly obvious to everyone but himself.

Everything that could be said about 6.1 SAM changes has effectively be said. I don't want the topic to die and go away. Even if SE has their head buried in the sand, I still hope the discontent gets through to them.

In the mean time, Vencio is preforming as the village clown and helping keep the topic near the top. I don't for a moment fear SE actually taking his posts seriously... If kaiten remains gone, its because they are dead set on their decisions... Not because some goofy poster destroys his own complaints in his own posted complaints...

Why don’t we all create a “SAM” discord & just further express our thoughts into it…?

I’d be more than happily put further input to it; including VC.

These forums are going nowhere to no point of return,

Devs has indeed been rather silent for long without a doubt.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

What the hell are you on about? Third eye is not part of the global cooldown....You can literally weave it in between your combos. There's zero reason not to use it. Its not part of the GCD, it reduces damage you take from a raid wide aoe and it gives kenki.

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I don't know what it takes to parse grey in normal-difficulty content, but I assume it doesn't involve even keeping the GCD rolling, let alone clean OGCD weaving. No surprise that Third Eye would seem superfluous to someone who can't even do the basic rotation.

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Originally Posted by FrogBiscuit

But he has posting history going back to 6.1 (and maybe before) of these style of posts. He has been antagonistic from the start and he immediately hypocritically turns around to play the victim of being attacked 'for his opinion'

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Not only antagonistic, but ad-hominem (coming from him) from the start. He entered the fray throwing insults as much as opinions, which is why people who are normally happy to be civil are willing to make an exception for him.

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Originally Posted by FrogBiscuit

Normally I would make greater efforts to not engage in a troll... However, he has been so self defeating and backwards in what he claims, I can't help but encouraging him at this point because its comical and seemingly obvious to everyone but himself.
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This.

I offered factual counterpoints to his "arguments" (TBH it is debatable if you can even call them arguments, as insubstantial as they are), and he ignored them all, choosing to only focus on responding to personal attacks.

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Originally Posted by Xenon_S

This.

I offered factual counterpoints to his "arguments" (TBH it is debatable if you can even call them arguments, as insubstantial as they are), and he ignored them all, choosing to only focus on responding to personal attacks.

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As long as the effort was made, I think that's fine. What happens beyond that is on him. I too have responded angrily and also responded with some level of civility on the topic here and in other threads.

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Originally Posted by Vencio

But I am playing the game, not sure how you quantify “playing the game” with experience

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Just wanna say this, Im a Sam main for 2 expac now with some experience in raiding. Im not the best sam out there or have perfect rotation. However, for me, Sam dmg come from its iaijutsu midare. The 6.1 sam, since the dmg is spread out to "balance the dmg". Sam is not consistent dmg dealer tho, its a burst. Sam has its burst window where you need to align your cd with raid buff window thus ppl need to delay. Rn, sam is not the sam i know back ShB, no synergy with team comp; evidently, im benched from my raid group from using sam. They asked me to change to other melee if possible
About Kaiten, its only a skill you need to press before midare or higanbana, now onigiri. However, its a skill that seperate decent sam with bad sam. I have seen sam do less dmg compared to dnc and its killing me inside. Also, it smooth out the flow of the rotation thus everyone want it back
Third eye is a defensive skill. Back in ShB, you have tight window to proc it with wide raid dmg. Back then, it gave you 2 options: 1 will consume kenki to "counter" and 1 is for healing. Not amazing but it give something for you to think about and up to you to use it. Now it gives flat kenki. Dumb down hard if you ask me
In short, people calling you troll or dont know how to play the game/sam because from where they stand, you do not have an understanding about how sam works/play. Furthermore, the fact that you want the job to be even more simlified is a sign. Job need to have skill ceiling so it can keep people engaging. Look at rework SMN, i played it once and i got the rotation. Not much thinking needed, choose which to summon depend on phase. Thats it. Dont need to micro management the dot, align the trance cd, refresh the skill that give both dot. Jobs require time and investment will create room to grow as a player thus keeping people in those jobs longer. Simple job will be a played once im done thing, not healthy for the game

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Originally Posted by Vencio

But I am playing the game, not sure how you quantify “playing the game” with experience

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Just wanna say this, Im a Sam main for 2 expac now with some experience in raiding. Im not the best sam out there or have perfect rotation. However, for me, Sam dmg come from its iaijutsu midare. The 6.1 sam, since the dmg is spread out to "balance the dmg". Sam is not consistent dmg dealer tho, its a burst. Sam has its burst window where you need to align your cd with raid buff window thus ppl need to delay. Rn, sam is not the sam i know back ShB, no synergy with team comp; evidently, im benched from my raid group from using sam. They asked me to change to other melee if possible
About Kaiten, its only a skill you need to press before midare or higanbana, now onigiri. However, its a skill that seperate decent sam with bad sam. I have seen sam do less dmg compared to dnc and its killing me inside. Also, it smooth out the flow of the rotation thus everyone want it back
Third eye is a defensive skill. Back in ShB, you have tight window to proc it with wide raid dmg. Back then, it gave you 2 options: 1 will consume kenki to "counter" and 1 is for healing. Not amazing but it give something for you to think about and up to you to use it. Now it gives flat kenki. Dumb down hard if you ask me
In short, people calling you troll or dont know how to play the game/sam because from where they stand, you do not have an understanding about how sam works/play. Furthermore, the fact that you want the job to be even more simlified is a sign. Job need to have skill ceiling so it can keep people engaging. Look at rework SMN, i played it once and i got the rotation. Not much thinking needed, choose which to summon depend on phase. Thats it. Dont need to micro management the dot, align the trance cd, refresh the skill that give both dot. Jobs require time and investment will create room to grow as a player thus keeping people in those jobs longer. Simple job will be a played once im done thing, not healthy for the game

I see…so that’s why the current job is not how it was back then at its strongest?

I’ve started playing SAM at early EW & barely bother with statistics & numbers.

Your post help me to delved deeper & understand it outside of my scope

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Originally Posted by Vencio

Why in the world am I being a called a Troll? i seriously don’t have a clue….just only saw reactions & previously this was mentioned before on other posts, to have equally met hostility & labelling of course.

My stance & approaches may have been misinterpreted or rather came to upfront, and so has anyone’s.

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I literally explained to you, in my post, that you apparently FAILED TO READ on why you get labeled a troll. So you're either ignoring what I'm saying because you can't see it or willfully are because I've also called you a troll. But I'll reiterate for you, once again, in easy to digest points.

You post an opinion without any points to back it up other than "I don't like it" or "It's too hard" and say things are fine when they clearly are not, as evidenced by the outrage that exists even across the language barriers.

You have no experience on the matter in question. You yourself have even stated you don't play samurai in a PVE setting. So what makes your opinions worth counting when the changes being discussed are in PVE? It's already a known fact you don't need a full understanding of things in your kit to get through most content of the game, so why would you care if one ability is there or not when you don't even get punished for not using it unless you're doing content that requires you to have knowledge of your kit?

You feign ignorance and pretend you're just the victim of hostile people when you're purposefully igniting the conflict in the first place. This is one of the biggest things. You don't harass people in a store then get the right to complain when people tell you to piss off and they're "being mean to you". That's not how it works.

Lastly, you fail to even engage people and actively dismiss dissent because it conflicts with your worldview on things. I don't like your opinions but I have reasons behind them and have stated them. You simply dismiss others as if their thoughts are wrong.

There, I've laid out all the reasons people think you're a troll, and why I think you're a troll, and why I'll continue to think you're a troll. You fix those, and people will be more willing to discuss things with you. Until then, a spade is a spade, a troll is a troll. I'll welcome being proven wrong, but so far, you aren't doing a good job of it.

I'll touch on this last bit about this becoming like "WoW's community": No matter where you go, experience is valued, and those with knowledge on the topic in question will have more credibility to their opinions. Your experience will be examined and the more (or less) you have, people will notice.

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Originally Posted by Ruminous

You simply dismiss others as if their thoughts are wrong.

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I actually don't mind being dismissed outright - some people don't want to debate - that's fine - what draws ire is when he dismisses our viewpoints as "cringy", says we're "stubborn fools" and "just resistant to change" as if our viewpoints have no rationale while simultaneously providing no rationale for his own [steaming] hot takes.

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Originally Posted by cjbeagle

I actually don't mind being dismissed outright - some people don't want to debate - that's fine - what draws ire is when he dismisses our viewpoints as "cringy", says we're "stubborn fools" and "just resistant to change" as if our viewpoints have no rationale while simultaneously providing no rationale for his own [steaming] hot takes.

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Kind of is a good point: Means they weren't interested in discussion to begin with. But I was explaining the why's in hopes he'd be able to self-reflect. It's a skill he's lacking.

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Originally Posted by Ruminous

Kind of is a good point: Means they weren't interested in discussion to begin with. But I was explaining the why's in hopes he'd be able to self-reflect. It's a skill he's lacking.

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I also have to fight the urge to discipline someone else's kid, and that's what this began to feel like. It's reminding me of my new puppy, if my puppy failed to learn. I think there are just people who look around, see that someone, somewhere, is emotional about something, and then they bead in on you & start needling. That's the definition of a troll to me, and I don't think they're doing it to 'understand' or help, or anything but to get a rise. And I always fall for it! At least, the first few times. Hence, ignore becomes a beautiful thing. (also works on puppy when he's being demanding.)

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Originally Posted by Ceridwen

It's reminding me of my new puppy, if my puppy failed to learn.

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Originally Posted by Vencio

I will concede in saying Kaiten should NOT be removed & it stripped a portion of its job identity

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(weeks ago - prior to making this thread) https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...re-s-why/page6

Your puppy isn't failing to learn - it's misbehaving intentionally specifically to piss you off.

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Originally Posted by cjbeagle

(weeks ago - prior to making this thread) https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...re-s-why/page6

Your puppy isn't failing to learn - it's misbehaving intentionally specifically to piss you off.

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I like to think that's someone else's puppy! Mine is just 9 weeks - there's hope!

I also think the Samurai was - well, the cool class. Ok, at least, I thought so. They were the 'selfish dps,' like the BLM. (*So powerful I don't HAVE to buff you peons!*) And I personally thought Kaiten was the ability that made it look that way - sleek and methodical and actually pretty wonderful. On a dragoon, I'm leaping (generally backwards, off the edge of something...) On the Reaper, I look insane. On the monk, I'm spinning upside down, like an angry potato with a HUGE kick range, and on the Ninja - I mean, I jump on a frog for no logical reason. They're just not *cool.* I like them, but it's not the same. Samurai was the only class I played on her where it actually looks like she was thinking ahead. (I mean, she wasn't, and neither am I, but it LOOKED that way.)

So - maybe that makes weird, insecure people fidgety & trollish? I assume they'd swoop in & whine at BLMs if they had some awful nerf/evisceration, too.

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Originally Posted by Ceridwen

I like to think that's someone else's puppy! Mine is just 9 weeks - there's hope!

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I didn't phrase that well - I should have said "this puppy" instead of "your puppy". I'm sure your puppy will turn out splendidly!

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So - maybe that makes weird, insecure people fidgety & trollish? I assume they'd swoop in & whine at BLMs if they had some awful nerf/evisceration, too.

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You're spot-on - I don't remember the name, but some other troll was quite clear that he was rejoicing at our despair just because he'd had bad experiences with [completely different] samurai in-game being egotistical.

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Originally Posted by Ceridwen

I like to think that's someone else's puppy! Mine is just 9 weeks - there's hope!

I also think the Samurai was - well, the cool class. Ok, at least, I thought so. They were the 'selfish dps,' like the BLM. (*So powerful I don't HAVE to buff you peons!*) And I personally thought Kaiten was the ability that made it look that way - sleek and methodical and actually pretty wonderful. On a dragoon, I'm leaping (generally backwards, off the edge of something...) On the Reaper, I look insane. On the monk, I'm spinning upside down, like an angry potato with a HUGE kick range, and on the Ninja - I mean, I jump on a frog for no logical reason. They're just not *cool.* I like them, but it's not the same. Samurai was the only class I played on her where it actually looks like she was thinking ahead. (I mean, she wasn't, and neither am I, but it LOOKED that way.)

So - maybe that makes weird, insecure people fidgety & trollish? I assume they'd swoop in & whine at BLMs if they had some awful nerf/evisceration, too.

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Pretty sure you jump on a frog because of Naruto lol. Ninja animations over the years seem to be heavily influenced by that show.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

Pretty sure you jump on a frog because of Naruto lol. Ninja animations over the years seem to be heavily influenced by that show.

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Pretty sure a Naruto character does fleeting raiju too, or it's like a common thing? Ninja run as well? It's all so anime.

I love the hand signs, I love the ninja run, I love the flippy jump, I think raiju feels weird being on the GCD as a movement ability, and I hate the frog.

I remember leveling ninja and thinking it was so cool and the moment I got and tried out the frog I was like "...wtf is this?" and was legitimately sad.

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Originally Posted by Vencio

Just for crying out loud look at the repetitive posts that majority of these individuals are far resistant to go through the changes,

I beg to differ but SAM feels alright the way it is, no further logic needed & I applaud for going through with the change.

I do agree the job does need to be inprovise as every other job & this takes time through trial & error.

Please remain steady & thank you devs for going through this.

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EVERY job will feel alright the way it is, but that's not the point. this post just shows your lack of understanding and if you're gonna troll just keep it to yourself.

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Originally Posted by cjbeagle

I remember leveling ninja and thinking it was so cool and the moment I got and tried out the frog I was like "...wtf is this?" and was legitimately sad.

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I like the frog. My main disappointment with it is that it doesn't briefly unlock any superjump. That it has no use case outside of AoE is a close second (though, ofc, I'd then wish Bhava likewise had some crossover).

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Originally Posted by Ruminous

Pretty sure a Naruto character does fleeting raiju too, or it's like a common thing? Ninja run as well? It's all so anime.

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The non-gapcloser Raiju is very reminiscent of one character's move from taht show yeah.

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Originally Posted by cjbeagle

You're spot-on - I don't remember the name, but some other troll was quite clear that he was rejoicing at our despair just because he'd had bad experiences with [completely different] samurai in-game being egotistical.

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You mean the specimen that posted this? https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post5962199

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Originally Posted by AsiTsurugi

You mean the specimen that posted this? https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post5962199

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Coulda been - I definitely recognize that name as a troll, but really don't remember who said it and can't be bothered to go looking for it. e_e I wanna say it was someone with a hrothgar avatar but I'm like...20% confident in that. XD