"job adjustsments" from the live letter speculations

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

DoT spells need to have greater potency period. The whole point of a dot is it's supposed to do high damage over time to compensate for lack of upfront damage.

Having a dot only be twice as strong as a direct damage spell is pretty bad. It needs to be in the 3x - 5x range.

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The damage of a DoT is the least important part of the DoT, so long as it's higher (even 1 potency higher) than the nuke that it's replacing.
What makes a DoT a DoT is their restricted, but flexible, recast times. If unclipped, there's no difference between a 30s DoT that deals 700p in total and a spell that deals 700p with a 30s recast time.

This is best compounded with multiple DoTs and varying duration timers, or status effects/spells that rely on the number of DoTs active or their remaining time left.

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Originally Posted by NobleWinter

WHM weaving tools are really awkward. Sometimes you don't need to heal so Afflatus Skills and Regen are wasted to throw in an oGCD and sometimes you also don't get any benefit from overwriting your DoT so you basically just pick what you want to waste your time doing or just clip into the GCD. They definitely NEED a filler spell for weaving. Give them Instant Cast Faith that increase the potency of their next spell by 25% so instead of wasting your time healing unnecessarily or clipping your DoT you recoup the wasted GCD a bit on your next spell. If you want to get fancy it could stack up to 4 times allowing a WHM to charge up during downtime and move freely without feeling useless and really cement them as the GCD healer.

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Afflatus skills aren't wasted if they're used solely to weave, as they contribute to Misery regardless.
Also the only spell that would benefit from Faith, at that value, would be Misery. And it's still the same worth as using any Afflatus (~225p).
It would be 75p on Glare and 180p on Dia. Both worse than clipping Glare, or clipping Dia after 1 tick.

Letting it stack up to 4 times would be neat for downtime, but a spell thats literal only use is to press 4 times in downtime is too situational for slot that could be occupied by a more interesting skill.

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Originally Posted by NobleWinter

If you wanted to be a pure healer this would be ideal since you could hyper tune your spells by charging up for burst healing every damage spike.

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pure healing anti-contribution is a mentality from a different game that has nothing to do with the way FFXIV's combat mechanics work, and needs to die off

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Originally Posted by YusiKha

pure healing anti-contribution is a mentality from a different game that has nothing to do with the way FFXIV's combat mechanics work, and needs to die off

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It isn't even a thing in WoW anymore. Healers do DPS, end of story. Preach it.

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Originally Posted by YusiKha

Afflatus skills aren't wasted if they're used solely to weave, as they contribute to Misery regardless.
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Letting it stack up to 4 times would be neat for downtime, but a spell thats literal only use is to press 4 times in downtime is too situational for slot that could be occupied by a more interesting skill.

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I just threw out a random number for the Faith potency increase but even still that version of Faith is more interesting than the almost useless Fluid Aura we have now. It could just as easily be 100% increase to your next spell and have less stacks possible but for me movement is the most important feature although clearly maximizing DPS is important too. For me WHM should be able to react to sudden changes in an encounter without feeling useless at low levels and high levels alike and the fact they have nothing to cast for movement specifically bothers me. Afflatus skills have to actually restore HP to contribute to the Blood Lily so they aren't always an option unless I'm mistaken. I wouldn't mind having a Ruin 2 clone either but anything to differentiate healers is much appreciated in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by YusiKha

pure healing anti-contribution is a mentality from a different game that has nothing to do with the way FFXIV's combat mechanics work, and needs to die off

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This. Even Everquest WAY back in the day understood that Clerics (their healers) needed to be able to do SOME damage because you have to level somehow.

But certain FFXIV players magically forget those spells when they join a group.

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Originally Posted by NobleWinter

Afflatus skills have to actually restore HP to contribute to the Blood Lily so they aren't always an option unless I'm mistaken.

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Afflatus skills always contribute to the Blood Lily, even when cast out of combat (Confirmed it ingame as well). It was StB Plenary that required healing to go through to work.

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Originally Posted by NobleWinter

For me WHM should be able to react to sudden changes in an encounter without feeling useless at low levels and high levels alike

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The only time there are 'sudden changes' in a mechanic is the first time you experience it, or like 3 people die to a mechanic. That's never going to be an optimal setting where you're prioritising DPS over safety.

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Originally Posted by NobleWinter

anything to differentiate healers is much appreciated in my opinion

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So if there was a healer with limited movement options, like Black Mage, that needs to preposition for mechanics and manage a limited movement resource.
Would that be distinct from the healer that can move 50% of the time, like Red Mage, but needs to hold skills for longer stretches of movement.
And a healer that has on-demand full movement, like Summoner, which needs to hold a damage resource to move efficiently.

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Originally Posted by Vitreus

What's disappointing is that they just did this. We made a major overhaul for only one class AST with respect to one job mechanic and it was a contentious outcome at best. I don't have that much confidence in SE overhauling all three healers.

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What they did to healers wasn't a reworking, it was the single worst dismantling I've seen in 20 years of gaming. Scholar went from being a really fun job to a wretched, broiling mess.

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Originally Posted by Truen

What they did to healers wasn't a reworking, it was the single worst dismantling I've seen in 20 years of gaming. Scholar went from being a really fun job to a wretched, broiling mess.

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Remember when the community regarded sch as one of the best designed jobs in the game if not the best designed job, fallen so far, where is that designer now I want them back they at least understood healers better.

If I were to be idealistic (read: a fool)...

1. WHM: Lily growth and the recast timer of Divine Benison now scale with GCD speed.
2. SCH: Button efficiency and pet responsiveness changes. Dissipation again increases all magic potency. Fey Union can now restore the health of barrier effects remaining on the target to a maximum of most recent application's original value.
3. AST: Now gives 3 of same Seal type the same value as 3 different types, so it's impossible to get a minimum-value Divination and that much fewer Redraws are likely necessary to get a maximum-value Divination. Divination just reads: "Effect increased by a further 2% damage increase if 3 of the same seal or 3 different seals are present."

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Originally Posted by QooEr

if dia lasted 15 seconds with the same total potency it has now, it wouldn't have any mobility or weaving issues, as itd line with assize

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If we didn't want it to feel as invasive as a 15s DoT (though I'd be fine with, heck, getting back the full slew of Aero I, II, and III, personally), we could also just siphon some of the periodic potency towards the initial potency instead so the damage loss for clipping it short would be reduced.

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Originally Posted by Crushnight

Remember when the community regarded sch as one of the best designed jobs in the game if not the best designed job, fallen so far, where is that designer now I want them back they at least understood healers better.

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Gone I'd guess. Now we've got Yoshi P, who's clearly too blinded by the flashing bulbs of camera lights and media attention to see and/or acknowledge the woeful plebs who actually play the jobs he had such an instrumental role in ruining (homogenizing).

I'd love nothing more than a reset to the pre-5.0 build for the SCH...I miss the old job too much.

Im all into healer dps, but....

If as a DPS im basically not allowed to heal or CC without heavy downsides, if all support skills are taken from me, we might as well let healers only heal lol. The whole route they went sucks...

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Originally Posted by Kuroka

Im all into healer dps, but....

If as a DPS im basically not allowed to heal or CC without heavy downsides, if all support skills are taken from me, we might as well let healers only heal lol. The whole route they went sucks...

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Melee Role Actions:
Heal + Lifesteal (Second Wind + Bloodbath)
Stun (Leg Sweep)
Physical Mitigation (Feint)

Monk gets a personal defense buff (Riddle of Earth) and a group heal buff (Mantra)
Dragoon gets an extra lifesteal (Life Surge)
Ninja gets a personal 20% shield (Shade Shift)
Samurai gets a frequent defense buff (Third Eye) which can also be used on a heal (Merciful Eyes)

The only skill there that aren't literally free to use (since melee don't need to worry about weaving) is Merciful Eyes, and that's a tiny potency loss.

Ranged Role Actions:
Heavy (Leg Graze)
Heal (Second Wind)
Bind (Foot Graze)
Out of Combat Movespeed (Peloton)
Interrupt (Head Graze)
Raidwide Mitigation (Troubador/Tactician/Shield Samba)

Bard gets a Pre-emptive Cleanse (Warden's Paean) and a heal buff (Nature's Minne)
Dancer gets a AoE heal (Curing Waltz) and a group heal buff (Improvisation)

Again, only 1 non-free skill, and that's if flashing Improv in a fight loses you an auto-attack, or means you can't hold it for a phase transition.

Caster Role Actions:
Magical Mitigation (Addle)

Black Mage gets an AoE sleep (Sleep) and a personal 30% shield (Manaward)
Summoner gets a Raise (Resurrection), a personal 30% shield (Earthen Armor), and a raidwide regen of 700 potency (Everlasting Flight)
Red Mage gets an on-demand Heal (Vercure) and a raise with no cast time (DualCast+Verraise)

Now we're finally getting some non-free skills. Addle, Manaward, and Everlasting Flight are all free and all powerful. The rest make you give up a single GCD to do them.

So as far as I can see, only Casters have the problem with healing/CC. I wouldn't generalise it to 'DPS', and just because your support (a minor role for a DPS) has been diminished, doesn't mean our damaging (a major role for everybody) should follow suit.

Anyone else feel like the devs are just gonna take all this feedback to the complete opposite extreme (again?)

The devs say that the healer adjustments this expansion were to address the supposed complaint that healers had to dps too much. Instead of just giving them a reason to actually heal they just threw a bunch of new healing oGCDs at them, deleted most of the dps abilities and that was it.

But now that healers are all saying they don’t get to dps enough I worry they’re about to do the exact same but to the opposite extreme. They’ll delete all gcd healing, most oGCD, and all healers will just have a ridiculously powerful standard heal and an aoe heal with 3 Charges. Everything else will be pure dps.

Which I get is what most people want, but at the same time it’s like, at that point why not just remove the ‘healer’ role and create a new dps sub-section like ‘support dps’?

I still think there's a decent chance that they cut back on healer DPS kits intending to up encounter damage, then their (past or present) playtesting with ordinary people happened and they went "oh fuck we absolutely cannot do this because people are terrible at video games."

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Originally Posted by Connor

Anyone else feel like the devs are just gonna take all this feedback to the complete opposite extreme (again?)

The devs say that the healer adjustments this expansion were to address the supposed complaint that healers had to dps too much. Instead of just giving them a reason to actually heal they just threw a bunch of new healing oGCDs at them, deleted most of the dps abilities and that was it.

But now that healers are all saying they don’t get to dps enough I worry they’re about to do the exact same but to the opposite extreme. They’ll delete all gcd healing, most oGCD, and all healers will just have a ridiculously powerful standard heal and an aoe heal with 3 Charges. Everything else will be pure dps.

Which I get is what most people want, but at the same time it’s like, at that point why not just remove the ‘healer’ role and create a new dps sub-section like ‘support dps’?

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You mean, literally what BRD, DNC, and RDM are meant to be but because they're still damage dealers people ignore that aspect of their kit because 'muh dps' ? Sadly that's one of the most debatable stand points in the game, or gaming in general. If a class can DPS, even if it's categorized as a support, it will DPS and more often than not, forego the support aspect of its kit, there's no such thing as a support role - SCH was the closest to that but now they're getting closer to being just WHM with shields.

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Originally Posted by YusiKha

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I was more joking that anything, dont worry. Im just kinda salty for RDM having less dps just for a ress and heal and loosing the ability to pass mana^^"

Healers/Tanks are likely going to get ignored. We aren't going to see either role see any much needed changes till maybe next expansion. Its too late in Shadowbringers for reworks that both roles need to bring back job identity again. It will like be ranged DPS (AGAIN) getting buffs, BRD in particular, and possibly MNK. SE basically thought that dumbing down both roles and making them similar in the rush to expansion release would have been enough to bring in new players to the roles. It did... but we lost about just as many experienced/veteran players in those roles as those that hopped on because because the DPS role is so bloated with competition while Healers/Tanks were barren so they could actually join groups/statics.
Unforunately... the skill in these roles has definately diminished and lowered the medium as a result, there are far more bad healers and tanks now than ever before unfortunately.

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Originally Posted by BarretOblivion

Healers/Tanks are likely going to get ignored. We aren't going to see either role see any much needed changes till maybe next expansion. Its too late in Shadowbringers for reworks that both roles need to bring back job identity again. It will like be ranged DPS (AGAIN) getting buffs, BRD in particular, and possibly MNK. SE basically thought that dumbing down both roles and making them similar in the rush to expansion release would have been enough to bring in new players to the roles. It did... but we lost about just as many experienced/veteran players in those roles as those that hopped on because because the DPS role is so bloated with competition while Healers/Tanks were barren so they could actually join groups/statics.
Unforunately... the skill in these roles has definately diminished and lowered the medium as a result, there are far more bad healers and tanks now than ever before unfortunately.

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Jesus, you can say that again. Dark Knights who dont have Blackest Night or know what it does; Gunbreakers who have no idea what a cartridge combo is or what cooldowns are. Healers who use only regens on mass pulls without so much as an oGCD and blame the tanks.

Then entire playerbase right now feels pretty shit, it's not just Healers and Tanks; I legit dont know what SE is trying to accomplish, but all it's doing is pissing us 6 year vets off.

It doesnt matter how much you lower the skill floor, people who are bad and do below bare minimum will ALWAYS be that way, and taking tools and abilities away from veterans is not the way you get more people into a role.

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Originally Posted by FoxCh40s

Jesus, you can say that again. Dark Knights who dont have Blackest Night or know what it does; Gunbreakers who have no idea what a cartridge combo is or what cooldowns are. Healers who use only regens on mass pulls without so much as an oGCD and blame the tanks.

Then entire playerbase right now feels pretty shit, it's not just Healers and Tanks; I legit dont know what SE is trying to accomplish, but all it's doing is pissing us 6 year vets off.

It doesnt matter how much you lower the skill floor, people who are bad and do below bare minimum will ALWAYS be that way, and taking tools and abilities away from veterans is not the way you get more people into a role.

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my issue is that not only is the skill floor lowered, getting TO that floor (level 80) is soulcrushingly boring with how slow a drip abilities are (on top of class problems like "only has 2 buttons to press for it's entire career").

rant, feel free to skip the rest of this post: to be real, i for one am okay with the 5.0 reworks of everyone's kits--in theory. get everyone's kits equalized so everyone can participate in all content with at least a minimum degree of effectiveness (to help alleviate class-elitism or "mandatory" situations like old coil requiring a bard or SMN for the medusa boss, though that hasnt been an issue for more than 4 years at this point, so im not sure it's the threat the devs keep making it out to be), fine, cool beans! they can add stuff to get everyone's class lore/identity/interesting playstyle tools working ON TOP of the new universal kits going forward. I could file this expansion away as futureproofing and bear with how garbage some stuff is right now if it meant that things can only improve in the future.
except we've gotten a shocking amount of silence on many important topics for basic quality of life (healer downtime, tank options disparity (WAR and DRK being near-identical now, living dead being hilariously bad both on the defensive and healer front with ever-scaling HP and static heal potencies), horrible leveling process, STILL broken class quests and lore from the 5.0 rework (AST and MCH in particular), and on and on).
and they're kept to a soft limit on the number of buttons available to the player due to controller support, and all of those are filled with the new universal kit.
and they're already staring down the barrel of another expansion (about 4 patches/1 year, which means another 10 levels, and another 10 levels of skills and buttons to fit in) which means unless they find a way to compress what we've currently got, we're gonna see another complete rework/gutting of every class to spread their kits evenly over this new larger surface area (see: TERRIBLE leveling experience for newcomers and new classes).
there's a lot of basic core design problems that will only make things exponentially worse as time goes on unless they're addressed, and we've got nothing so far.

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Originally Posted by FoxCh40s

Jesus, you can say that again. Dark Knights who dont have Blackest Night or know what it does; Gunbreakers who have no idea what a cartridge combo is or what cooldowns are. Healers who use only regens on mass pulls without so much as an oGCD and blame the tanks.

Then entire playerbase right now feels pretty shit, it's not just Healers and Tanks; I legit dont know what SE is trying to accomplish, but all it's doing is pissing us 6 year vets off.

It doesnt matter how much you lower the skill floor, people who are bad and do below bare minimum will ALWAYS be that way, and taking tools and abilities away from veterans is not the way you get more people into a role.

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It requires a fine toothbrush to make the barrier of entry better, and doing so is fine, but you can't then destory the complexity that give jobs identity or enjoyment of optimizing. You do that... well its just a class made for new players, not worth dedicating to it as its not rewarding. Both tanks and healers are suffering from this. Some of the changes were fine to get players in... but they didn't give anything back to chew on.

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Originally Posted by SpiralMask

my issue is that not only is the skill floor lowered, getting TO that floor (level 80) is soulcrushingly boring with how slow a drip abilities are (on top of class problems like "only has 2 buttons to press for it's entire career").
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Imagine if any other role in the game only essentially had 2 core damage abilities from lvl 4 to lvl 80.

No one would (or should) accept that.

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Originally Posted by Corbeau

I still think there's a decent chance that they cut back on healer DPS kits intending to up encounter damage, then their (past or present) playtesting with ordinary people happened and they went "oh fuck we absolutely cannot do this because people are terrible at video games."

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Well, the thing is, they could add more to a healers DPS kit without increasing how much DPS they contribute.

As it is, due to much of the healing being taken care of by oGCDs, there is a lot of time to DPS. Instead of casting one spell for 100% of their DPS, that spell could be broken up into two 50% spells, or three spells worth 20%, 30% and 50%. Pretty much anything is better than spamming one spell. The healers that are stuck spamming 1 spell will feel better having more spells to cast, the healers that already don't touch their one DPS spell will continue to not touch their other spells.

As for the topic question: I speculate job adjustments will just be potency changes. Like at the end of SB the big WHM adjustment was just increased potency. Massive gameplay changes are rarely (if ever) seen mid-expansion. That stuff comes with expansions.

I've no problem with healers doing maybe a quarter less dps than tanks. Why should our damage kits be so 1-dimensional and worthless? The assumption this HAS to be the case is absurd; the fun in healing comes from balancing healing with off-time dps/buffing abilities. Honestly, that's why I've always loved the role...now I have to force myself to play the SCH whereas before I enjoyed it.

Our jobs are absolutely boring right now because Yoshi-P was 'so convinced' pure-healing healers were exactly what the game needed and what people wanted...

Well, Yoshi was wrong!

5.0 healers are the worst. The SCH is bland and basically has no identity (still can't believe they murdered Selene and basically just copied her into Eos--so lazy!!).

To new players, unless your keen on pressing 1 button over, and over again I don't even recommend playing the game. It's that boring/bad.

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Originally Posted by Truen

I've no problem with healers doing maybe a quarter less dps than tanks. Why should our damage kits be so 1-dimensional and worthless? The assumption this HAS to be the case is absurd; the fun in healing comes from balancing healing with off-time dps/buffing abilities. Honestly, that's why I've always loved the role...now I have to force myself to play the SCH whereas before I enjoyed it.

Our jobs are absolutely boring right now because Yoshi-P was 'so convinced' pure-healing healers were exactly what the game needed and what people wanted...

Well, Yoshi was wrong!

5.0 healers are the worst. The SCH is bland and basically has no identity (still can't believe the murdered Selene and basically just copied her into Eos--so lazy!!).

To new players, unless your keen on pressing 1 button over, and over again I don't even recommend playing the game. It's that boring/bad.

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I switched to Astro just to have something to do, even though I said I would never do it. It's not much more to do, but it's better than Scholars one button rotation in every damn situation possible.

It's my recommendation to any and all getting into the game for the first time, DO NOT play Healer, you will legit burn out before level 30 before you realize you have access to all of your damage tools since level (8?).

It's absolutely f***ing mind numbing, and if I weren't in a raid group right now, I'd likely switch to Summoner or Red Mage and never look back.

The conflict can be summarized as the dev team wanting to go the 'pure healer' aesthetic while the game design is made for 'weaker DPS that happens to heal sometimes'. Healer design is flawed to the core.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

Imagine if any other role in the game only essentially had 2 core damage abilities from lvl 4 to lvl 80.

No one would (or should) accept that.

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Preach it. There's literally nothing else to say on the matter - the state of healers is unacceptable.

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Originally Posted by FoxCh40s

Then entire playerbase right now feels pretty shit, it's not just Healers and Tanks; I legit dont know what SE is trying to accomplish, but all it's doing is pissing us 6 year vets off.

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You're holding SE accountable for a bunch of people who are playing bad...? This isn't the Borg Collective. We're not a hive mind. SE can't make people play the way you want them to play.

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Originally Posted by Rasikko

You're holding SE accountable for a bunch of people who are playing bad...? This isn't the Borg Collective. We're not a hive mind. SE can't make people play the way you want them to play.

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Yet pure healers seem to have tried to force their mindset on us. You know damn well if they could've given healers 0 damage spells this expansion they would have done so it's only due to healers need to progress msq that we even have what we have.

We even had to beg to get energy drain back something that had no business being removed but was.

Repose as niche as is rather than actually working with it more since all healers now have a sleep decided 1 quest is enough to justify taking it from Whm.

Unnecessary removal of Collective's Stun

More ogcds that are 100% unnecessary outside ultimate even savage doesn't need all of them. Heck I did E1S/2S/3S without using any ShB skills as a laugh and I healed fine enough without them.

SE very clearly wanted to emphasizes healing and the way they did it was 100% forcing a playstyle onto people they didn't want and the players have bit back whether SE learned from it is up in air as they have notoriously ignored healers existence since 5.05 live letter.

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Originally Posted by Videra

Preach it. There's literally nothing else to say on the matter - the state of healers is unacceptable.

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Oh . . . I have.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...ouble-Standard

What is wrong with the Fairy for SCH?

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Originally Posted by Kolsykol

What is wrong with the Fairy for SCH?

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What isnt wrong? Ghosting, abilities not going off, extremely reduced potency, abilities that used to be separate from Scholar are now Scholar abilities.

Should I go on?

not to mention still no carbuncle glamour they promised back in 2.0

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Originally Posted by FoxCh40s

What isnt wrong? Ghosting, abilities not going off, extremely reduced potency, abilities that used to be separate from Scholar are now Scholar abilities.

Should I go on?

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... remember Selene? I want my second fairy back. If SMN got to keep Titan there's no reason I couldn't keep Selene.

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Originally Posted by Billythepancake

... remember Selene?

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I don't think Square Enix does.

Honestly I don't think there's gonna be any significant changes with healer's till 6.0, they dropped the ball big time with AST and SCH wiping out alot of their uniqueness, WHM not so much but they seem to have gotten lost with their "pure healer" desire to not realize the majority of us healing want to be able to heal and dps at the same time, WHM should be burst damage, SCH shields and reflection damage, AST Dot,hots and maybe some buffs. They went with homogenization instead which killed the fun and interest for many, WHM is the only one that still feels remotely fun and enjoyable for me I barely touch the other 2 as they're so clunky and annoying to play atm.

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Originally Posted by Recon1o6

not to mention still no carbuncle glamour they promised back in 2.0

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I don't know if Carbuncle glamour's make much sense for Scholar since we aren't using advanced atherical equations to create a fairy like Carbuncles. We summon them to us which would lead me to believe that summoning a Pixie from the First would be more logical. They are clearly capable of the magic required to aid us in our battles and it would help keep Scholar and Summoner seperate visually.

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Originally Posted by NobleWinter

I don't know if Carbuncle glamour's make much sense for Scholar since we aren't using advanced atherical equations to create a fairy like Carbuncles. We summon them to us which would lead me to believe that summoning a Pixie from the First would be more logical. They are clearly capable of the magic required to aid us in our battles and it would help keep Scholar and Summoner seperate visually.

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alphinaud has and continues to use the diamond carbluncle to heal which would be the expected one, but a pixie or feo ul could be good.

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Originally Posted by SpiralMask

alphinaud has and continues to use the diamond carbluncle to heal which would be the expected one, but a pixie or feo ul could be good.

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Because Alphy is still an arcanist, not a scholar -- the only reason he can heal is because someone has to whenever there's no actual healer around during MSQ/Trust runs.

That said, I recall reading somewhere that coding for fairies* is different than Carby/egis and I find that more plausible. 'Because lore' is always a weak excuse and why they wouldn't just outright say yes or no is beyond me.

*As if they didn't have enough problems: see

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Originally Posted by FoxCh40s

What isnt wrong? Ghosting, abilities not going off, extremely reduced potency, abilities that used to be separate from Scholar are now Scholar abilities.

Should I go on?

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Originally Posted by Allegor

Because Alphy is still an arcanist, not a scholar -- the only reason he can heal is because someone has to whenever there's no actual healer around during MSQ/Trust runs.

That said, I recall reading somewhere that coding for fairies* is different than Carby/egis and I find that more plausible. 'Because lore' is always a weak excuse and why they wouldn't just outright say yes or no is beyond me.

*As if they didn't have enough problems: see

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't he listed as an Acadamecian, whatever the heck that is. Honestly I want to be that, the moment I saw him use Miasma II in a MSQ or whatever it was I was extremely annoyed.