But there IS a step between normal mode and extreme content. It's NOT for everyone. While extreme modes are definitely way more accessible than savage (esp. than the 3rd and 4th fight of a tier, often even than a 2nd), you still can't just queue for it and clear it without practice, unless you're a hardcore raider. But most casuals can't just enter a new extreme (or even a normal mode) fight and understand every mechanic perfectly just by seeing it once.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth
You usually need to watch a guide or three, memorize everything, sit in PF for a while, then practice a lot to even have a chance of clearing. In normal mode you don't have to assign waymarks to everyone, it usually doesn't matter where you position yourself out of specific mechanics, you don't really need to think multiple steps ahead, and so on. The need to practice and needing coordinated play isn't for everyone. There's also the issue of time when you need to learn content. In normal modes you just queue, fight (after a wait...) and be done with it.
I know that there are many raiders who find extreme modes really easy, because they are used to that kind of content. But for casual players it is a BIG step up.
For me it's that I need to see "harder" mechanics multiple times and slowly think about how they work before I can execute them well, and I find learning parties and playing for hours without enough breaks very exhausting. That's why I don't do extremes or savage very often.
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04-09-2020, 04:55 PMLimonia
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04-09-2020, 05:04 PMFhaerron
I also don't really understand this "EX is for hardcore raiders only".
If anything EX has been getting easier and easier every expansion.
My static sadly only really is interested in Savage and thus we don't do EX but I got my first kill in just 3 hours with random PF pug. That was with several death and we never saw enrage.
I think most people don't even try it and just QQ about it because it has an EX tag. Go out there and join a practice run, you see that little box in the bottom left corner? Use it and talk to your party if there are things you're not sure off, watch a guide or if you prefere go in blind but join a PF that states that they are going in blind.
I have no idea how it's on the NA DC but here on Chaos EU (with Cerberus and Ragnarok being considered toxic elitist raid groups) There's an entire page of only the new EX trial with practice groups and several going in blind too.
Don't get discouraged, if there's a bad apple there is something called as a blacklist, use it. I've seen far more bad apples in casual & RP events then I did in EX PF groups. -
04-09-2020, 05:29 PMFhaerronSo you basically mean "I don't want to put in any kind of effort, I just want my stuff"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Limonia
Also I'm not a hardcore raider, far from it and so are most people of my static and we first killed Shiva 5 weeks ago. (You also don't want to know how many wipes we had before we got trough and also the 0.01% hp left and still wiped).
I also need to see certain mechanics multiple times (hello Shiva savage light rampart mechanic), even in this EX there was a mechanic I wasn't sure on what to do and most people weren't really in the group so we did some more pulls while people made extra attention to the mechanic and try to see what went wrong (communication is key here) we figured it out after 2 more pulls after that.
And yes I do get tired faster too when new to an encounter and needing to learn it or playing longer periods of time without breaks. So... just go take your break? Yesterday I did say to my group that I had to go at 11Pm (then I go to bed because I need to get up for work) so if we didn't killed it by then well sorry but I need to go sleep.
And that's pretty much what I did in all EX's practice runs with pugs about 2 hours and then I go take a break. Same when farming a certain EX I just do it for 2 to 3 hours and then I go take a break and empty my head.
So go in there try it for a bit and when you get tired you say 'Sorry, I have to take a break now' and you leave and take your break you can try again later or the day after with an empty head.
I don't really understand the issue. I would understand it if we still where at the pre nerf Thordan EX difficulty time but EX's have been made very accessible now.
Even Yoshi P had stated that he would wanted to see more people do this content and thus lower the difficulty, it's also the reason they made Ultimate so the best raiders have something above Savage they can chew on. -
04-09-2020, 05:47 PMSesera
Effort is subjective.
Something can be a cakewalk for you and a painful and stressful mess for someone else. -
04-09-2020, 06:13 PMLaylaTsarra
I'm not particularly enthused about it and I'll probably pass on that gear. I'm not a fan of ex content personally it's just not my thing.
Many wanted relic content that was harder and they delivered. Now some are happy and others aren't. The dev team can't win regardless of what it does. I might add the dyeable AF gear required a lot of crystals in Anemos. I might be wrong it's been awhile but I think you needed 3000 protean and 750 Anemos for a complete set. It wasn't a give away set if you wanted one let alone multiples and I have multiple sets on multiple toons so believe me I spent plenty of time there grinding.
This release is certainly not an hours worth of time investment as some would love to categorize it. -
04-09-2020, 06:24 PMLimoniaHow exactly did you get THAT out of what I wrote?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fhaerron
I somehow can't learn new mechanics during the fight "on the fly". In that regard I'm usually one of the slowest in the PF groups I join and often drag them down, esp. if raiders are part of the group. So I need more preparation and more practice than others. That makes it more exhausting for me.
I'm also not exactly in perfect health, so I can't just say "today I'm just going to practice xyz". I need to be prepared for that too. So even if all conditions are met, and I actually feel like doing such content today, it's physically still very exhausting for me.
Well, I haven't even tried Ramuh yet, and skipped the last tier completely because the graphic effects of E1S made me nauseous. So no idea what all those action names from Shiva mean. To me even clearing the last fights of a savage tier is a lot. Never done it myself, I do some ex trials and the first two savage fights - if at all.Quote:
Also I'm not a hardcore raider, far from it and so are most people of my static and we first killed Shiva 5 weeks ago.
I'm probably a special case though.
Still, even for players that are physically able to play a lot and so on, there are valid reasons why many can't or don't want to do content where you have to practice a lot at first.
That doesn't mean everyone is lazy, bad or doesn't want to put in any effort. I always try my best in FFXIV.
Another thing for me is about communicating with others. I'm not the best at social interaction, so that's another reason why I rather do casual content now. -
04-09-2020, 06:29 PME4EOIt's not because it's extreme content, its because of certain other players, as horrible and selfish as that sounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fhaerron
I've learned over the course of my year with FF14 that other players are both the worst and best parts of this game, without other players, we wouldnt be able to do something as simple as level up, don't forget the types of players that play their job well, explain certain mechanics to new players in a cohesive manner without much confusion. On the other side of the spectrum though there are people who don't explain things at all no matter what, don't rez you in a ARR alliance raid "cuz muh quick clear", stand at the first barred door in the Praetorium cause their too lazy to get a suit of magitek armour and would rather slow things down thanks to one less suit, use the elevator in the same dungeon because they're to bloody selfish to wait, and do a poor job with their well, job, and it's not always because they're bad either, what if they've had a long day at work and aren't feeling it?
And that's where I come into the types of people I've met when I've attempted EX, I've seen people do the following in both practice and clear parties:
1. Leave after 2 wipes instead of trying to discus with the team what went wrong and how to remedy it
2. Barking orders on whats supposed to be done without discussing alternative strategies with the party
3. Explaining things in a way that they assume we already know a good chunk of the fight instead of starting from the beginning when we're here to practice (This ones a hit or miss because at least they're trying to help, but remember that just trying doesn't kill the boss)
4. Insult/demean players if they mess up instead of discussing what when wrong and how to remedy it (I've encountered this and been on the receiving end so that's fun)
I've delt with at least one of those 4 mentioned things in quite a few PF EX's, I just wish I had screencaps.
And I know that your thinking I'm being a wuss, but it's the human factor that ruins EX for me, if this EX trial was single player or if everyone in the party was willing to have a rational discussion without leaving or barking orders, I'd be going at it for hours on end until I figure it out, I enjoy difficultly in games, but not artificial difficulty created by nasty and awful players. -
04-09-2020, 06:33 PMLeloa
I was looking forward to it, been waiting to get that Dancer top to be dyeable from the start of the expansion. But it dyes horribly and still has pink bits on it... Guess I'm saved from the trial.
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04-09-2020, 07:22 PMViduThat bolded part simply isnt true - I'm not sure wether you werent around for the release of the first relic step in ARR or if you've simply forgotten that it involved beating the HMs of Garuda, Ifrit and... Titan. While they're a joke today, they werent back when they were relevant for your relic progress. Sure, you could carry the odd person - just as you can carry the odd person today. But those fights - and to a lesser extend Chimera and Hydra - werent something you'd just queue up for and clear it with no skill involved. We created a linkshell back then for the sole purpose of gathering people who could beat Titan HM. There were shouts in the streets of Ul'dah, advertising Titan HM clears (I think for about 200k? I fondly remember a shout offering to waive that fee for any woman who would join their TS...). For Ifrit my sole job as paladin was to stun certain mechanics because people just couldnt get out of them - and you absolutly wanted a caster LB to kill all the nails because otherwise the dps-check would have been to tight for most groups. For Garuda you actually have a complicated dance and had to pull her around the arena, following the storms - the adds had to been killed and the OT would actually have to tank one of them!Quote:
Originally Posted by Miziliti
Whenever I saw someone with their relic weapon I knew they were at least worth some of their salt - because they managed to beat Titan with that job.
Its true that we never got something like that again - but I always hoped that we would. I'm okay with the relic being a grind, but... does it have to be a totally braindead one? Does it have to be FATE-spam or dungeon-spam or even over-world-map-spam (aka Eureka - I'll give Eureka that it was or felt more dangerous than your average FATE, but it still wasnt difficult)?
It doesnt have to be savage-difficult, true - thats what we've got Savage for. But since the very first relic step I've been hoping to see some bite being added to relics again - instead of it being just a repeat of another mindless grind that doesnt involve even the slightest challenge. They struck a good compromisse here, I'd say: Everyone can still get their weapon, so no one is locked out of that - but if you want a bit more, you can put in a bit more effort and skill and earn it. -
04-09-2020, 07:51 PMLord_Umbra
Only part I really dislike is if I want all sets it's around 170 runs if I don't get lucky with the chest rolls.
Will add though I'm very surprised it's EX I was expecting HM since they nerfed the heck out of Orbonne to push players through but then gate them from AF gear with an EX. -
04-09-2020, 10:44 PMDerio
It doesnt even drop a dragon so I am confused as to why they would even put something that most casual people want behind an extreme trial.
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04-09-2020, 10:53 PMLaylaTsarraPeople complained relic was too easy and to make it harder. Now they're complaining it's too hard to make it easier... see how that works?Quote:
Originally Posted by Derio
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04-09-2020, 11:04 PMDeceptusEX's aren't by any definition "casual" content. It's in the mid tier category.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth
How very condescending.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fhaerron
Also:Quote:
Originally Posted by Fhaerron
If you're in Savage exclusively I think most would consider you hardcore. I think you need to get some perspective. You've clearly been doing some of the hardest content in the game and have forgotten what it's like to be newer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fhaerron
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04-09-2020, 11:11 PMHalivelWell you see...Quote:
Originally Posted by Derio
Stormblood, Eureka: "It's too easy and just grindy, we don't like it" (c)Community
Shadowbringers, techically free weapon and armor behind Trial with no long grind: "Eh there's nothing to do and the Trial is too hard for taking an armor, we don't like it" (c)Community
or
Heavensward, Alexander Savage: "It's too hard!" (c)Community (raid comminuty dies almost entirely)
Stormblood, Omega Savage: "Eh it's too easy!" (c)Community
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DoH/DoL before overhaul: "They are so boring and long to level that's we don't even want to bother" (c)Community
DoH/DoL after overhaull: "Eh it's too easy now where's the grind" (c)Community
or etc...
In a nutshell: community always complains. Sometime those are same people, sometimes not. Developer listens and tries to satisfy as much people as they can, and community complains again. And there's no golden middle, because it's all about subjective feelings about the content, so it always will be like this: players don't like something, developer tries to change it, players don't like it anyway. It's not a bad thing, it's just an inevitable reality of humanity nature. /shrug -
04-09-2020, 11:21 PMDuskane"everyone is one person"Quote:
Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra
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04-09-2020, 11:27 PMHyperia
I did some reading on reddit and even the hardcore players are wondering why SE put catch-up gear behind such a wall. Their consensus is that while it is easier than most EX fights in terms of enrage and dps checks, it completely nullifies that by having so many untelegraphed mechanics that murder non-savage raiders. As a healer who has tried quite a bit to get a clear, I can confirm that those are the biggest problems. If you want casuals to try this content, any non-telegraphed mechanics must not one shot players.
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04-09-2020, 11:27 PMLaphaelYour basic comment, that they can´t please everyone is right, but you got the reasons a bit wrong i thinkQuote:
Originally Posted by Halivel
The majority complaining about Eureka didn´t find it to easy, they wanted a poeticsgrind like anima.
Also the fraction complaining about savage being to easy is a tiny fraction (hardcore) of a small fraction (raiders).
Players that do Extremes/Savage already get something for it. They get better ilvl dyeable gear from savage and nice weapons from extremes.
So why in the world can´t they do the artefact glamour gear for all players that put in the time? -
04-09-2020, 11:44 PMEldevern
The thing that worries me starts to be they will do an Eureka-like grind with a BA-like difficulty and the gear hidden behind the Ex wall is just an overview, an appetizer. If this should happen, there are probably a lot of players who will just pass.
If it has to be done with a static fighting against the latency, it doesn't even worth to try.
And why on earth did they broke the Ex rules that provide a specific mount and a specific weapon? An Ex for AF gear? The gear has always been the easiest part. The did put an Ex wall for all highest weapons and now they do that... It doesn't make sense, except if they imagine people will want to do an Ex because glamour gear... to be obsolete as soon as an other glamour more interesting (or more up-to-date) will be released. -
04-10-2020, 12:00 AMHalivelBecause they can't please everyone? They just gave people the 1st stage of a weapon for a solo trial completition - a fairly complicated one even, I would say. And this 1st stage isn't much different from what we usually had as 1st stage in previous expansions in terms of time that is spent on it (considering that in case with HW the 1st stage of relic could be skipped entirely). And what people started to do, like, immediately? Complain that it was too easy. As I said, no matter what will they do, you will open the forum, the reddit, the twitter, and there will be threads with complains, complains and complains. It doesn't mean that people who complain are a majority (they aren't), it's just that they voice their complains more than those who likes everything or just doesn't care. Among about 10 threads with new relic criticism there's what, 1 thread created specifically to thank them for it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Laphael
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04-10-2020, 12:06 AMVelthice
Gonna paste my thoughts from another thread:
Now since I made this post, I've cleared and farmed enough to almost have one complete set, and I STILL think putting dyable af behind the ex is a lousy idea. Maybe more so now than I did before.Quote:
Originally Posted by Velthice
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04-10-2020, 12:29 AMInfindox
To respond to some people on here, it's not so much that they made something more challenging. (Which I'm actually glad for) It's the fact that they made it completely pointless. People who need gear are probably already past this or use Eden/crafted/tome gear. There's nothing for Savage level players to come and get.
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04-10-2020, 12:30 AMValkyrie_LennethBut I thought glamour was the true endgame.Quote:
Originally Posted by Infindox
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04-10-2020, 12:32 AMFhaerronQuote:
Originally Posted by Deceptus
I would not consider current Savage to be the hardest content in the game. Coils, Alex and Omega (though also easier then the first two) are considered to be much more difficult, jobs were also 'harder' to play correctly and you had much more abilities to use.
Yoshi himself did say that he wanted more people to do Savage, I believe this was the reason it's been made more accessible. At the same time we now also have Ultimate difficulty for people who want to enjoy a harder difficulty then Savage.
What do you understand about 'Hardcore'?
First week > 4 nights of 4 hours raid time, first 2 bosses down.
Second week > 4 nights of 4 hours raid time, 3 bosses down and prog on Shiva.
Third week > 4 nights of 4 hours raid time, up to second phase Shiva.
Fourth week> 3 nights of 4 hours and Shiva down.
(there was 1 Sunday we went for 6 hours, I think that was in the third week but I don't fully recall when it was)
This is not hardcore.
Besides, I work full time, go the the gym and have other real life responsibilities So I won't even have the time to do much more.
Look at all the worlds first and first week clears, those are people who take vacation from work and do nothing else then raid full days.
Last, there's also hundreds and hundreds of people playing much better then me, so I cannot see how I'm hardcore with this little time in raids and my personal skill level in this game.
I take enjoyment in harder things (I also like the souls games and other single player games I can put on harder difficulties), I wipe a lot but the more we wipe the more excitement I get and the more fun I eventually have when we're finally able to kill the boss.
I take a look at the top players and know full well that I'll never reach that but it doesn't stop me from trying my best and always aim to improve.
That's just how I play. (: -
04-10-2020, 12:54 AMVaer
Kind of neutral about the whole thing, but I think they just didn't have anything to put as a reward for this fight that wouldn't encroach on the next patch since we are on week 8/month 2 of this one already. I don't care about glam so it's mostly just a bonus fight and I think quite a few people are treating it the same way.
I feel like they didn't give this EX the usual EX treatment as it doesn't even have a new song and has quite a bit of asset reuse but I'll give them a semi-pass since they usually don't try to put 2 EX in the same major patch. It's a decent fight but outside of glam/alt or returner gearing (it allows you to bypass normal raid loot locks if you don't want to use crafted) the rewards are pretty lackluster. So it's pretty much just for catch-up for anyone who isn't already up to date before they remove or reduce the locks in a month or two anyway.
The difficulty of the fight isn't so high where you won't be able to faceroll it down the line and just brute force it with numbers and raises so eventually everyone will be able to get the stuff if they don't end up adding an alternative method of getting it later. -
04-10-2020, 01:02 AMSeseraQuote:
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04-10-2020, 01:13 AMHyperiaThis is the very definition of hardcore! Anything more than this falls into world first / server first / no game no life.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fhaerron
Ok Devs... been thinking about this for a bit. Since Shadow Bringers is actually Crafting Bringers, how about meeting us half way. Create an augmentation kit that takes the original ShB AF gear and turns it into ShB AF gear that's dyable, same stats, nothing else. -
04-10-2020, 01:25 AMLiam_HarperFor some reason the definition of "casual" has gone from "does not invest as much time in the game and likes a relaxed schedule" to "only plays faceroll easy, must not use a proper rotation, must have all rewards first try".Quote:
Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth
I mean, the EX is fine in terms of difficulty, but people aren't treating it like progression content. A few weeks progression should be perfectly normal for a non-story raid boss in an MMO, heck this is content that's meant to last us several months, but nowadays people are at day 1-2 after spending just two hours in a group and immediately deciding it's unfair and way too hardcore.
It's a definite side effect of having too much handed to us on a plate. We expect it, even demand it now. Anything that isn't handed on a plate feels jarring because we aren't used to it, it doesn't feel right, Enix is meant to just give us things and stick to their pattern.
They've done irreparable damage that has locked them into burning a ton of dev resources on throwaway 1 hour content, then endure a list of threads on how cheap and empty the expansion feels. It's unfortunate. -
04-10-2020, 01:29 AMRenato
I think it's a terrible idea...I've been waiting for dyeable gear since the gear itself was revealed. I don't do Savage or Extreme trials mainly because I feel the effort needed learn the fights, put up with others and time investment just aren't worth it to me. I understand that for some, the fun part is actually creating strategies for the fight but at the same time, constant wipes while progressing isn't really my idea of fun. All that time spent for a weapon that will be outdated next patch or gear that can be dyed.
With that said, I tried it because I really do want that armor for my DRK. Waited over 20 minutes for a PUG group before I just decided to create a Party Finder group. Found a learning party, played for about 2 hours only to progress getting the bosses health to about half. I ended up just calling it quits...just not worth it to me.
Like most people have already mentioned, the gear is ilv485 armor. Crafting AND Tome gear are much easier to obtain. Even with the 5 slots, there is no reason why AF gear should be locked behind an EX trial when all it's going to be used for is glam purposes for the most part. (For me at least.) I really hope SE adds an alternative at some point. -
04-10-2020, 01:33 AMFhaerronDon't be so hard on yourself. Various people need more time for certain things, things that are hard for me will also kill me several times before I start to get the hang of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Limonia
And just take a break, you really don't have to explain yourself if you're tired or something is wrong take a break and do it again whenever you feel up for it.
For the graphic effects, have you tried adjusting the combat effect display settings? I don't recall the exact name it's listed in under the options, I had to adjust and lower certain effects too like that of the party effects because I was unable to see certain things otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Limonia
Also maybe a colour filter and/or adjusting settings on your monitor itself? I recently bought a new gaming monitor and outside the standard blue light filter there's several presets on it and also a 'night' mode to reduce overall brightness and make the colours more warm and it actually helped to reduce the strain on my eyes, especially late in the evenings my eyes don't tire out as fast. It might be wort a shot if you haven't done so already.
Ok, I'll be fair and say that I totally not thought about that in my post earlier. Though on the other hand this is still an MMO, I can't really blame SE to put stuff behind a group activity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Limonia
As an example: I would be annoyed that in order to finish FFXV I would need to group up (comrades the online group play thing for XV) since well I bought that because it's a single player game. XIV while having a lot of story and solo content is still an MMO.
If you do not wish to communicate it might be harder to clear certain group activities, even more so if you want to go in blind and see everything.
I can't really remove the communicate part but if you'd like I can help you, we're on the same DC I see, so if you feel like you want and can do it and you would like help don't hesitate. -
04-10-2020, 01:42 AMFhaerronQuote:
Originally Posted by Hyperia
But how, so you're going to say that all these years I've been playing hardcore?
When not raiding I'm playing average of 3 hours per evening, after work after gym, after making dinner and dishing etc.
What about all those people in limsa all day long (I'm not talking about people parking their character AFK for a full day) but people actually active in game and doing stuff whole day long, they are a lot of those but nobody call those hardcore yet they clock in 4 times the hours I do but I'm the hardcore one?
I'm not really following here.
Also what exactly do you mean with 'no game no life'? If you were to imply that I have no life without this game I would take offence in that. -
04-10-2020, 01:54 AMFhaerronI never thought that you were a wuss!Quote:
Originally Posted by E4EO
The reasons you summed up are actually one of the most important reasons I joined a static, the other being I don't have all that much time so it's easier for me with a static and schedule days and times we're going to do the raid.
I've also had many bad experiences with PF but we also do have a blacklist so don't be afraid to use it.
At this time I would still not do Savage with a PF pug but I found EX to be easy enough now to be pug-able, there's still the change of bad apples and bad groups but just use blacklist and join another group.
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04-10-2020, 02:15 AMHalivelIf I got your message with your raiding schedule right, then you raided for 16 hours 1st week, 16 hours 2nd week, 16 hours 3rd week, 12 hours 4th week, and somewhere there also 6 hours, which in amount does 66 hours of raiding in a month - more than a full working week. Maybe it's not the highest raiding online I saw, and maybe it's not the fastest progress, but it's absolutely not a casual schedule.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fhaerron
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04-10-2020, 02:17 AMValkyrie_LennethYeah, my group is 2.5 hours a night, 3 nights a week. The first 3 weeks we put in a lot of optional days, but still only like half of their playtime.Quote:
Originally Posted by Halivel
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04-10-2020, 02:37 AMAnselmet
Holy cow, the new primal isn't that hard and he gives two totems each time you beat him. All of his skills are literally Zenos's or Hades with a little twist. And most of the fight is really predictable as in he will either start with x combo of skills or you simply react to what skills are being used bc they are used over and over. Only the end is a little spicy but can be cheesed by either dropping all the pools on one end or just haha'ing at the blue xs bc they dont deal enough to be a real threat.
Also I have never seen this primals enrage. He is incredibly forgiving. The only thing is he hits harder than a normal primal fight.
Last time stb relic was gate locked behind eureka, and some ppl really love it. But it was without a doubt more of a slog than this new primal. Hell, did you guys forget the fate grinds in HW or aethersand and light bs? ARR? Gotta beat three primal ex iirc.
New primal is easy. You guys just need to try a little. If he had been like say as hard/long as Hades Ex I'd say maybe you got a point. But I'm sorry, I cleared him in three groups with shit net from my phone. And I'm not even a good player.
If you can't get the dyable gear now then wait a patch. Or hell an expansion. I'll prolly never see my artifact gear dyeable bc no one does Euryka. -
04-10-2020, 03:05 AMSeseraIt doesn't matter how much you play you're not a casual because you play 3 hours a day nor you are hardcore because you stay 6 hours in limsa.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fhaerron
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04-10-2020, 03:11 AMSeseraThe 3 Ex was for this quest https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/K...4HiQ6UexU8HsIw aQuote:
Originally Posted by Anselmet
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04-10-2020, 03:34 AMEldevernHardcore is not related to the time you play but the kind of content you play. Savage is by definition what we call an hardcore content. As soon as you invest time to clear them, you are part of "hardcore scene" (thought that could be confusing since people imagine sometimes it make them "pro-gamer-like". People who do hardcore content but don't have these kind of "ambition" don't necessary consider themselves as "hardcore" scene).Quote:
Originally Posted by Fhaerron
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04-10-2020, 03:42 AMFhaerronWe don't even come close to fastest, there's hundreds and hundreds of groups doing it first and second week already.Quote:
Originally Posted by Halivel
I've actually seen at the top groups requirement and there's no way I'll ever be able to join them due I work full time and have other RL responsibilities, they just raid too many hours. Those are groups I consider that are hardcore.
I'm not skilled enough to beat all 4 bosses in an hour... Have to progress quite a while and spend time in learning the mechanics, because of my low skill level I take quite some time to get it right and be able to go trough it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sesera
Thing is I don't do anything 'different'. Most evenings after the day and my responsibilities are done I spend around 2-3 hours before bed in entertainment be that play this or another game, watch some netflix or anime or read something...
Raiding is something I find fun so, when a raid drops I just do the raid instead of watching a movie or doing some roulettes or whatever I would be doing if there was no raid. So it's just an extra hour but that hardly makes much difference, there's also other evenings of 'non-raiding' where I spend an extra hour reading or watching something.
Nothing really changes in my day to day life when a raid drops, for being (hardcore) you'd actually change up and invest much more time in your activity < That's always what I thought. -
04-10-2020, 03:44 AMMelichoir
I dont get what is wrong with artifact dyable gear being locked behind an EX.
It is way more accessible overall for people who want this gear and I actually approve of this because it will do a major thing: If you want that dyeable glamour gear, git gud.
The fight isnt that hard. You just have to memorize it in bits and then react as necessary. When you make mistakes, it is no where near as punishing as E5S or other savage fights. The dps check isnt that hard overall, and the reward will catch you up a bit gear wise for not only your main but alternate classes youre poking at. Instead of having to grind out 20 hours just to get 1 relic weapon and armor set where a lot of that time was filler waiting around for NM spawns, I can speed that up by doing an EX trial that will get EASIER the more I play it due to experience and practice.
This seems way better to me, honestly. Im not saying every single thing going forward should be this, as I htink it would become tiresome down the line, but for being able to put your foot in the door for a relic, this is good. Hell they make it super easy to get a starter weapon with only needing 1000 poetics. You can farm that in a day easy and the weapons are decent if you dont have Ruby weapons or Allegory/Eden weapons. What we might see, for anyone who is curious, is something more akin to ARR or even HW when it comes to the relic quests. So less mindless grind in the sense of waiting for crap to spawn, and more "Go do X dungeon" or "Do Y fate" and etc.
And if you consider yourself a casual, then get good...No, not even that. Get Decent. The fights mechanics seem like a lot but at the end of the day, youre pretty much just memorizing 3 different main attacks he does and how he will mix and match that with some basic-B aoe stuff. Contrary to popular belief, casual players are MORE than capable of farming this fight. They just need to put the effort in. That's all. If you could do the regular modes of Eden 5-8 without to much trouble, youre more than capable of doing the EX version of this. -
04-10-2020, 03:50 AMFhaerronQuote:
Originally Posted by Eldevern
Yeah, I set my first foot in raiding back in 2007 in WoW. There's an insane big raiding community there and instead of cross world statics we have here, there you mostly have guilds formed to do the raids and there the recruitments were always with 'casual' or 'semi-casual' and then 'hardcore' for the people that invested much more hours into raiding. And I grew up with always those terms around me.
Most of my time I've been in 'semi-casual' guilds that were usually 3 hours for 3evenings / week. (which is similar to my current playtime in XIV now)
And then I've had some times in hardcore guilds where we went up to 5-6 days of raiding pretty much 'most of the day' / week.
All that in mind that's how I see myself today in XIV, I'm not good enough nor do I have enough time to be part of the 'hardcore' group but I see myself in the middle ground.