When will we get the PVP system for PVE ?

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

Stop being so dramatic. Please explain to me how pressing 1, 1, 1 instead of 1, 2, 3 suddenly makes the game play itself?

I suppose if button bloat is where you like to find your 'challenge', you are of course welcome to that opinion. However, condensing combos that are rarely broken-up in the first place to a single button is not going to suddenly make the game play itself.

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I think players that are against the idea think it will be like it is in pvp and forced on everyone, if SE made it optional I am sure not many would care.

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Originally Posted by Vaer

What if you want to use Perfect Balance which allows all of those skills to be used independent of form? What if you just want to spam Rockbreaker over and over with PB to AOE or even multiple abilities in a different order than the normal one during PB?

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That's why I said Perfect Balance would be tricky. Like I said, you'd have to adjust MNK so that, given all options, Coeurl skills would always be the most useful ones, and that Perfect Balance would lock you in Coeurl form.
Or, Perfect Balance could make Weapon Skills not changing your form and make Form Shift doesn't trigger GCD. This way, between each WS, you'd have enough time to go to the stance you want and stay there.

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Originally Posted by Dyvid

Is this a controller issue or something? I'm on PC so the amount of skills is just right.

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Nothing to do with PC or Console, I play both versions, and I still want the condensed combos.

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Originally Posted by Awha

I think players that are against the idea think it will be like it is in pvp and forced on everyone, if SE made it optional I am sure not many would care.

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I can only hope that SE would have the foresight to make this optional, but then again, this is SE and they tend to do weird things.

If this gets forced on everyone, I can only imagine the outrage. Make it optional, and both sides can be happy :)

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Originally Posted by Jijifli

Why don't we let the game play itself while we're at it, since we just want one button for 3 abilities.

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hey, it was stil a lot of fun playing FF12 with a fully automated team, thanks to the gambits xD

No, please. I absolutely detest this idea. Just from doing PvP on BRD, and the skillsets/combos available to BRD, I would absolutely not want the same sort of system to creep into my PvE BRD play. So I really hope that this doesn’t happen.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

Just from doing PvP on BRD, and the skillsets/combos available to BRD, I would absolutely not want the same sort of system to creep into my PvE BRD play.

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Again, we would lose no skill and no combo at all. We could even gain skills.

Besides, BRD doesn't even have combos, so he wouldn't even be changed by that kind of system.

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

Again, we would lose no skill and no combo at all. We could even gain skills.

Besides, BRD doesn't even have combos, so he wouldn't even be changed by that kind of system.

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The only combined skills they put on BRD in PVP are the dots, so not much would change anyways.

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

Again, we would lose no skill and no combo at all. We could even gain skills.

Besides, BRD doesn't even have combos, so he wouldn't even be changed by that kind of system.

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I’m well aware that BRD doesn’t have a set 1-2-3 combo rotation; it is purely a priority rotation, one that the current PvP system does not allow. How would BRDs know that SE wouldn’t just copy-paste the existing system into PvE for BRDs if this change was ever made?

As the current set up for BRD in PvP is, you can only use Barrage in Army’s Paeon (the absolute worst song to use it in because you always want to use it within Raging Strikes, which you use during Minuet); you can only use Bloodletter during Minuet (huge DPS loss during your other two songs, especially since Mage’s has the River of Blood trait implemented in it). And what if these skills remained locked behind the “song locks” the PvP system has? What about applying Straight Shot every 30 seconds? As it is now, you have 1 option: Straight Shot > Heavy Shot > Straight Shot > Heavy Shot...makes applying Straight Shot overly repetitive, and it’s a 10 potency loss from just using Heavy Shot; and good luck getting that Refulgent Arrow proc, which only procs off of Heavy Shot procing Straighter Shot. Same with your DoTs; there’s no IJ either, so how would that be implemented? I’d rather not go back to having to repeatedly apply DoTs to a boss when I could just IJ instead. But are they going to consolidate DoTs > IJ, or just leave IJ standalone?

I’ve never been a fan of the new condensed PvP system, especially since it took away all but 8~10 of my skills. What’s to say the same wouldn’t happen if this was brought over into PvE? Also, the system as it is doesn’t prevent us from learning new skills. Some jobs could use some trimming down (why they gave RDM Tether is beyond me...it’s completely useless 90% of the time, and NIN needs some sort of help with its button bloat), but some don’t have button bloat.

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Originally Posted by LunaTsukihime

The only combined skills they put on BRD in PVP are the dots, so not much would change anyways.

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False. Straight Shot and Heavy Shot are combined. Bloodletter is locked and can only be used in Minuet; Barrage can only be used in Army’s Paeon. Your songs are not independent, but consolidated and in a set rotation: Minuet > Army’s Paeon > Minuet > Army’s Paeon...rinse and repeat. And songs have two rotations depending on if you are single-targeting or AOEing, so consolidating the songs in a set rotation would not work in PvE.

I would suggest doing a bit of research on other jobs before just assuming “nothing would change”, because you were misinformed on BRD in PvP.

To be honest I think maybe in another expansion or so. Just because otherwise we're not going to get much in the way of new moves (and lets face it new traits just aren't as exciting as shiny new animations). Are there things they could trim from every class, sure, but keep in mind you can't remove too much or suddenly every dungeon under 50 becomes Satasha due to lack of abilities.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

PvP skillset butchering

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That's why we've repeated that this is in no way a suggestion to use the same skill set for PvE. We need to keep a lot of skills to give each job enough depth.
It's only to adress the skill bloat that is partially because of the combo system, by fusing skills that are always used together in the same order.

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Originally Posted by LunaTsukihime

The only combined skills they put on BRD in PVP are the dots, so not much would change anyways.

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Bloodletter, Pitch Perfect and Barrage are fused too, apparently...that's huge.

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Originally Posted by Vaer

What if you want to use Perfect Balance which allows all of those skills to be used independent of form? What if you just want to spam Rockbreaker over and over with PB to AOE or even multiple abilities in a different order than the normal one during PB?

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To be fair, all that would take is to remove Form Shift from the GCD, along with its animation time, during Perfect Balance.

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Originally Posted by Miste

Terrible idea.

Would make the game stale and boring and it wouldn't work as an optional thing because I don't think they would be able to balance it. In my opinion one of the modes would most definitely have an unfair advantage over the other and will cause balance problems between certain jobs.

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I support the idea. As a controller user if I can fit everything onto one hot bar the better. I fail to see how a 1 2 3 combo is more exciting than pressing the same button 3 times. I find the button bloat more stressful than challenging. Not like you're ever going to use that combo out of order unless the combo breaks off into multiple combos such as tanks. But in the case of Dragoon, I'm all for both combos being attached to a single button.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

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Still better than 3.X's caster Bard. I doubt SE would change Bard that dramatically and if they did I'm sure they would make other adjustments to compensate for the changes including potency of attacks and cool down timers. Besides, Bard doesn't have the button bloat problem anyway so that's one of the few jobs that would get hit. They're asking for combos to be condensed, not to implement the entire PvP structure over to PvE. In addition, MCH is more likely to get an awkward change than Bard would. Since you can use their 1, 2, 3 combo out of order with ammo and hold the procs.

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

That's why we've repeated that this is in no way a suggestion to use the same skill set for PvE. We need to keep a lot of skills to give each job enough depth.
It's only to adress the skill bloat that is partially because of the combo system, by fusing skills that are always used together in the same order.

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Okay what about this, "Create a combo".

You can choose to put 2 to 5 skills in a autoadvancing slot that you can then put on your hotbar.

Like the DRG combos, or enmity combo from tanks.
Or even just your opener for a class.
It could be used to reduce skill bloat for those that want to.
It leaves the old style intact and could even be used in inventive ways.

AND it's already in place for the most part, just unlock it for PVE and let us choose what's in the rotation.

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Originally Posted by LunaTsukihime

Okay what about this, "Create a combo".

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I'd say it's unecessary convoluted.

You have three combos, they take three slots, for a total of 9 skills, easy peasy. RoH combo for PLD could even start with Flat Blade, which would be like Fast Blade, but with an enmity bonus, and a different animation for visual variety.

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

Again, we would lose no skill and no combo at all. We could even gain skills.

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Again, MNK says hi.

There is no way to design this system around MNK without causing MNK to lose some of its choices/options and therefore gameplay. Consolidating MNK combos into one button would require 8 buttons, one for each combination. This leads to more buttons than the 6 MNK has now for their combos which solves nothing and only necessitates more buttons than before which is the opposite of what you all are complaining about.

All of the solutions you have posted so far alters how MNK plays and removes options.

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Originally Posted by Vivi_Bushido

I support the idea. As a controller user if I can fit everything onto one hot bar the better. I fail to see how a 1 2 3 combo is more exciting than pressing the same button 3 times. I find the button bloat more stressful than challenging. Not like you're ever going to use that combo out of order unless the combo breaks off into multiple combos such as tanks. But in the case of Dragoon, I'm all for both combos being attached to a single button.

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I also play with controller so you would be assuming incorrect if you assumed I don't like the idea because I use keyboard and mouse or something.

If they changed to this system I would no longer sub to this game. That's how I feel. I mean people keep oversimplifying the 1-2-3 thing. No job in this game performs well if you just spam 1-2-3 over and over. Bad comparison.

As for DRG I understand their combos follow specific patterns, but none of the other jobs work exactly like DRG. If the system cannot be implemented for all jobs in the same way then it falls short and can cause balance issues or causing some jobs to lose options/abilities because it cannot be implemented properly around their original game play.

Please no. I love being able to customize my play style. You guys CAN set up macros to solve the bloat.

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Originally Posted by Kisagami

Please no. I love being able to customize my play style. You guys CAN set up macros to solve the bloat.

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Not possible unless SE gives us better options on macroing.

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

I'd say it's unecessary convoluted.

You have three combos, they take three slots, for a total of 9 skills, easy peasy. RoH combo for PLD could even start with Flat Blade, which would be like Fast Blade, but with an enmity bonus, and a different animation for visual variety.

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It would exactly be like that, but instead of having them come premade for a class you set them up yourself.

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Originally Posted by LunaTsukihime

Ever since they introduced the combos and streamlined structure I've been wondering when they will implement this for the normal PVE gameplay.

It will not only reduce skill bloat by a lot again it will make the gameplay smoother as well.

Of course there would need to be slight changes made to it.

But classes right now in PVP feel way better, like Dragoon feels more like a proper FF Dragoon with the PVP changes compared to PVE counterpart. (Try it out)

So yeah, will we ever see it?
I hope so, it would improve the game a lot.

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I really think you should request it to be optional, you might get less push back if you request it to be optional.

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Originally Posted by Miste

Again, MNK says hi.

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I've already answered that (and add something after Vaer's concern) so that MNK would lose nothing.

• 3 slots.
• All slots change according to your form
• Perfect Balance stop Form changing from WS but make Form Shift instant and not trigger GCD.

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Originally Posted by Miste

Again, MNK says hi.

There is no way to design this system around MNK without causing MNK to lose some of its choices/options and therefore gameplay. Consolidating MNK combos into one button would require 8 buttons, one for each combination. This leads to more buttons than the 6 MNK has now for their combos which solves nothing and only necessitates more buttons than before which is the opposite of what you all are complaining about.

All of the solutions you have posted so far alters how MNK plays and removes options.

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This may be true however Monk has already been getting left in the dust as far as new skills go as it is in each expansion. Perhaps if they redesigned Monk like they did to Bard, they could rearrange the order that some of those combos get used and even add more to the end of the combo so it doesn't keep branching out so much. You could condense Dragon Kick and Demolish down like they did with Fang and Claw and Slashing Edge for Ninja and then in 5.0 add additional skills that make the job more unique and less about combo paths and positions or add on more of those but into a single combo instead and add a new gimmick to the job perhaps using chakra.

In my opinion, difficulty should be on the bosses, not how a job preforms.

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

Bloodletter, Pitch Perfect and Barrage are fused too, apparently...that's huge.

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I was partially mistaken in my post since I’m going on 24 hours of no sleep; correcting/clarifying now:

—Minuet and Army’s Paeon are in a set rotation (Mage’s Ballad, where art thou).
—Stormbite/Caustic Bite are consolidated.
—Heavy Shot/Straight Shot are consolidated; this would make RA fishing a pain, and it would also just be repetitive reapplication of your Straight Shot buff just to Heavy Shot.
—Bloodletter, while it cannot be used during Army’s or Minuet (I’m crying right now), changes to either Pitch Perfect or Barrage depending on your song.

However, I think the Job Guide is incorrect because it says that Bloodletter becomes Pitch Perfect during Army’s, but Pitch Perfect can only be used during Minuet (using it because I am not at home):

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Delivers an attack with a potency of 750.
Cannot use while under the effect of Army's Paeon or the Wanderer's Minuet

※Action changes to Pitch Perfect while under the effect of Army's Paeon.
※Action changes to Barrage while under the effect of the Wanderer's Minuet.

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Pretty sure that tooltip is incorrect. It makes no sense for Bloodletter to be PP in Army’s when you can’t use the skill, but maybe it’s just the way the combo button rotates the skills so that PP is there when you hit Minuet, and Barrage is ready for when you hit Army’s. But then that means you can only use one PP during Minuet before it changes to Barrage... Maybe it’s because I’m tired that this is just not computing right now; doesn’t help I can’t confirm, since I won’t be home for another 4 hours. Meh. But this is even more abhorrent to imagine in a drawn-out PvE encounter...

Pitch Perfect can only be used during Minuet (as in PvE, so that’s fine).
Barrage can only be used during Army’s Paeon (worst song to Barrage anything in really... since Raging is always used with Minuet for the PP burst and you want to Barrage during RS for obvious reasons).

The only thing I like about the PvP system is that Repelling Shot deals damage again. DoT consolidation would be fine, so long as they give me IJ on a separate button. Even though multidotting you usually only do Stormbite on 3~5, Caustic on one for Sidewinder usage. All this being said, though, I still do not like the idea of the PvP system coming into PvE.

The “Create your Combo” could be a reasonable compromise, I suppose. So long as the use of it was completely optional.

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Originally Posted by Vivi_Bushido

Still better than 3.X's caster Bard. I doubt SE would change Bard that dramatically and if they did I'm sure they would make other adjustments to compensate for the changes including potency of attacks and cool down timers. Besides, Bard doesn't have the button bloat problem anyway so that's one of the few jobs that would get hit. They're asking for combos to be condensed, not to implement the entire PvP structure over to PvE. In addition, MCH is more likely to get an awkward change than Bard would. Since you can use their 1, 2, 3 combo out of order with ammo and hold the procs.

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You say they wouldn’t change BRD that much, but it is the only job that has been completely overhauled twice: once for Heavensward, and then again for Stormblood. I would take bowmage any day over a consolidated combo BRD, to be honest.

If SE were to implement a PvP-esque system into PvE, I highly doubt they would want to do it to just a few jobs; I could easily see them applying to all jobs “to be fair” and so that all jobs are “on par” with one another.

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Originally Posted by Vivi_Bushido

This may be true however Monk has already been getting left in the dust as far as new skills go as it is in each expansion. Perhaps if they redesigned Monk like they did to Bard, they could rearrange the order that some of those combos get used and even add more to the end of the combo so it doesn't keep branching out so much.

In my opinion, difficulty should be on the bosses, not how a job preforms.

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If they want to change how MNK plays in the future then we'll see, but what I am getting at is I don't want them to change MNK SOLELY for this system to work.

If they want to change MNK because they think it needs to be changed and because they want to improve it, great, but don't change it solely to add a in my opinion bad system like this.

In my opinion, difficulty should be based on the boss and on your skill on your job.

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

I've already answered that (and add something after Vaer's concern) so that MNK would lose nothing.

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Yeah and I already said "all your solutions alter how MNK plays".

This solution still alters how MNK currently plays. So no you didn't solve my problem with your ideas.

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

To be fair, all that would take is to remove Form Shift from the GCD, along with its animation time, during Perfect Balance.

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I dunno, PB right now allows you to use anything even with no form at all, so now i have to keep shifting around just to get to the buttons I do want to use while the timer is going down in addition to locking me out of using other ogcds. Seems kind of unnecessary and actually more convoluted than the system we have now.

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Originally Posted by Miste

I also play with controller so you would be assuming incorrect if you assumed I don't like the idea because I use keyboard and mouse or something.

If they changed to this system I would no longer sub to this game. That's how I feel. I mean people keep oversimplifying the 1-2-3 thing. No job in this game performs well if you just spam 1-2-3 over and over. Bad comparison.

As for DRG I understand their combos follow specific patterns, but none of the other jobs work exactly like DRG. If the system cannot be implemented for all jobs in the same way then it fails short and can cause balance issues or causing some jobs to lose options/abilities because it cannot be implemented properly around their original game play.

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I have to apologize but if that is your reason to unsub then that's honestly rather petty. My main job Bard, keeps getting a major overhaul every expansion. I fully expect it to once again in 5.0. They just don't leave that job alone, but it happens. If they want to try new things they have to simplify the older stuff. Making combos simple is less of a big deal than turning Bard into a caster was if I'm being honest.

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Originally Posted by Miste

This solution still alters how MNK currently plays. So no you didn't solve my problem with your ideas.

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You said :

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Originally Posted by Miste

There is no way to design this system around MNK without causing MNK to lose some of its choices/options and therefore gameplay.

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Originally Posted by Miste

All of the solutions you have posted so far alters how MNK plays and removes options.

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Non of these sentences are true since it wouldn't remove any option. Now, if your concern is "I could still do the same but differently, therefore I don't like this" I'd say it's kind of a nitpick, since you could still do everything you can. And, let's dream a little, it would even allow for a 4th WS option on each form without requiring 3 additionnal slots.

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Originally Posted by Vaer

I dunno, PB right now allows you to use anything even with no form at all, so now i have to keep shifting around just to get to the buttons

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Not if PB prevent form shifting from WS. You go to Coeurl, and, if you don't use Form Shift, you stay there. You use it once with no delay at all to switch to Opo-Opo, and stay until the next Form Shift, etc...

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

Non of these sentences are true since it wouldn't remove any option. Now, if your concern is "I could still do the same but differently, therefore I don't like this" I'd say it's kind of a nitpick, since you could still do everything you can. And, let's dream a little, it would even allow for a 4th form one day without requiring 3 additionnal slots.

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I also said:

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Originally Posted by Miste

All of the solutions you have posted so far alters how MNK plays

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Your solution does change how MNK plays compared to the current MNK.

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Originally Posted by Vaer

I dunno, PB right now allows you to use anything even with no form at all, so now i have to keep shifting around just to get to the buttons I do want to use while the timer is going down in addition to locking me out of using other ogcds. Seems kind of unnecessary and actually more convoluted than the system we have now.

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^ explains how your solution alters how MNK plays.

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Originally Posted by Vivi_Bushido

I have to apologize but if that is your reason to unsub then that's honestly rather petty.

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So unnecessary.

If you are going to resort to personal attacks instead of discussing the topic then I'm done with you.

I mean I could use a lot of negative labels about your opinions, but hey I have class so I won't go there.

Have a nice day.

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Originally Posted by Miste

Your solution does change how MNK plays compared to the current MNK.

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HW altered how MNK played, SB altered how MNK played, the next expansion will alter how MNK play...If they ever implement a system like that, you can be sure it will be tied to a level cap increase, and thus other changes.

Uhm, excuse me.
I didn't really plan this to evolve into a thread about fixing up MNK in particular.

I'm glad you all are concerned about your classes, and I assure that I really don't want anyone to be dissatisfied, but the changes I proposed about the autoadvance combos would in no way "cripple" your MNKing in any way.

It would only give you the option to streamline your experience.
It's not an attack on you personally, miste.

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

Non of these sentences are true since it wouldn't remove any option. Now, if your concern is "I could still do the same but differently, therefore I don't like this" I'd say it's kind of a nitpick, since you could still do everything you can. And, let's dream a little, it would even allow for a 4th WS option on each form without requiring 3 additionnal slots...

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I think what Miste is saying, is that because of the different timers for things like Dragon Kick, Twin Snakes, and Demolish, MNK doesn’t always use a set 1-2-3, 4-5-6. Consolidating combos, unless they adjusted all the timers to accommodate that, would make MNK play really convoluted. You would constantly be clipping Demolish early, or reapplying Twin Snakes or Dragon Kick when you don’t have to rather than using True Strike or Bootshine. Plus, when you’re with another MNK, only one of you needs to be applying Dragon Kick; the other can Bootshine every time they’re in Opo-opo instead. Unless that etiquette has changed...or something. I’m tired.

I’m not an expert MNK, but that’s what I think she’s saying.

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

HW altered how MNK played, SB altered how MNK played, the next expansion will alter how MNK play...You can't really fight that.

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Reading everything I post would help you. You'll find I already stated my opinion on that.

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Originally Posted by Miste

If they want to change how MNK plays in the future then we'll see, but what I am getting at is I don't want them to change MNK SOLELY for this system to work.

If they want to change MNK because they think it needs to be changed and because they want to improve it, great, but don't change it solely to add a in my opinion bad system like this.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

I’m not an expert MNK, but that’s what I think she’s saying.

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Thank you Hyomin ^^

That was a good explanation of part of the problem.

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Originally Posted by Miste

I also said:



Your solution does change how MNK plays compared to the current MNK.



^ explains how your solution alters how MNK plays.




So unnecessary.

If you are going to resort to personal attacks instead of discussing the topic then I'm done with you.

I mean I could use a lot of negative labels about your opinions, but hey I have class so I won't go there.

Have a nice day.

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It's not a personal attack o.O No need to get all bent out of shape over a discussion. Have a nice day to you too.

I'd be ok with this as long as:

1. Make it optional.

2. Let us change combo-ender mid combo.

I'm also not really sure how this would affect monk, but that's where the optional part comes in.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

I think what Miste is saying, is that because of the different timers for things like Dragon Kick, Twin Snakes, and Demolish, MNK doesn’t always use a set 1-2-3, 4-5-6.

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No, but MNK always uses Opo-Opo -> Raptor -> Coeurl, except during Perfect Balance. That's your "combo".
But, contrary to every other job than has only one option at each step, MNK would have three.

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Originally Posted by Miste

Reading everything I post would help you. You'll find I already stated my opinion on that.

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Wow, you really sniped that post during my edit :p

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

HW altered how MNK played, SB altered how MNK played, the next expansion will alter how MNK play...If they ever implement a system like that, you can be sure it will be tied to a level cap increase, and thus other changes.

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Originally Posted by Miste

That was a good explanation of part of the problem.

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Except this part of the problem doesn't exist.

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Originally Posted by Hruodig

I'd be ok with this as long as:

1. Make it optional.

2. Let us change combo-ender mid combo.

I'm also not really sure how this would affect monk, but that's where the optional part comes in.

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Ofc it would be optional, customize and personalize is key.

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Originally Posted by Vivi_Bushido

It's not a personal attack o.O No need to get all bent out of shape over a discussion but since I can see the hostility in your posts now, yeah I agree it's time to drop the topic. Have a nice day to you too.

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I'm not bent out of shape so please stop your assumptions. I just refuse to bother with people who will call someone's opinion petty for no reason. It adds nothing to the conversation since why I am unsubbing shouldn't personally matter to you.

I simply stated I would unsub because the game would no longer be fun for me with that system and that was how I felt. Calling how I feel "petty" was unnecessary. It served no purpose except to be rude. You're free to have whatever opinion you want about me, but it doesn't mean I will sit back and be quiet about it.

I was not being hostile at all until that. You lost my respect by doing that so that's that.

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Originally Posted by Miste

I'm not bent out of shape so please stop your assumptions. I just refuse to bother with people who will call someone's opinion petty for no reason. It adds nothing to the conversation since why I am unsubbing shouldn't personally matter to you.

I simply stated I would unsub because the game would no longer be for for me with that system and that was how I felt. Calling how I feel "petty" was unnecessary. It served no purpose except to be rude. You're free to have whatever opinion you want about me, but it doesn't mean I will sit back and be quiet about it.

I was not being hostile at all until that. You lost my respect by doing that so that's that.

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I'm sorry. I didn't mean to offend you.

I don't want it, but i see it being introduced in some manner in the future. Button bloat is an issue but PvP cuts many abilities from a job. I would really hate for my Dark Knight to lose more skills.

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

HW altered how MNK played, SB altered how MNK played, the next expansion will alter how MNK play...If they ever implement a system like that, you can be sure it will be tied to a level cap increase, and thus other changes.

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The thread wants just auto buttons and says its not going to alter much. Many people saying its just the buttons "not the skills". Just the buttons right? Except it doesn't fit for Monk for "just the buttons". They would have to rebalance monk to fit into 3 auto buttons. Which is the point, they just want the buttons, but here we are changing things just so we can fit things into the buttons. You probably can't even do the current MNK opener with your changes.