Can we get entry ilvl for levelling dungeons already?

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Originally Posted by NocturniaUzuki

Here is the net-all solution to the problem:

Do the dungeon regardless.

If you have a tank who can't tank 2 mobs, just run as if you have no tank.

If you have a healer who can't heal, just run as if you have no healer.

It can almost always be done. Now if you have neither a tank nor a healer who, and only two DPS, things get significantly harder. Beyond what a random DF queue can likely pull off. And frankly it would virtually require two ranged DPS.

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I would direct you to the "Tales from the Duty Finder" thread where plenty of people have trouble completing these dungeons with a full group who are geared - now you suggest finishing a dungeon without that?


Who is taking Ketu Slash in Abania? It will oneshot once it's powered up with the bleed. Who is aiming cleaves away from the group with enmity bouncing around? You can't complete many SB dungeons without a full party. Sure, you could have a RDM and PLD try to make up for a healer but with as slow as the DPS would be going they would almost invariably run out of mp.

This suggestion just rubs me the wrong way. The answer is not to carry people as if they aren't a problem, it's to educate them about what they've done wrong and (if clearing isn't going to happen) kick them to spare the rest of the party the wasted time. Yes, one person (who made a mistake in not being geared appropriately) needs to requeue but that's still better than wasting a bunch of other player's time.

Votekick exists for a reason. If you want to help this problem continue by dragging woefully unprepared players through content they have been too lazy or careless to prepare for go right ahead, don't presume that is a "net-all" solutuon by any means.

wait there isnt avg ilvl restrict in SB dungeons? If i remember correctly we have for HW and ARR dungeons but not for sb?

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Originally Posted by KingMeteo

Elitism, because they want to speed run their roulettes.

This doesn't happen every run.

The leveling roulettes are supposed to be there to help low levels get thru their dungeons. Teach and be patient or leave.
Flame away.

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Time is money (subscription) and we're not being paid to carry corpses

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Originally Posted by Akor

wait there isnt avg ilvl restrict in SB dungeons? If i remember correctly we have for HW and ARR dungeons but not for sb?

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The leveling ones. HW's versions don't either.

Basically, if the dungeon isn't for level 50, 60, or 70, you can go in with the game's starting gear and Square will allow it.

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Originally Posted by Calteru

You gonna pay my sub if you're gonna tell me what to do? Because I have a LOT of retainers and I'm used to taking orders, so if you wanna pay then you can tell me what to do.

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Just ask for the bank datas of the other players, pay their sub and then you can play like you want without thinking on the group.
So long you don't pay the other players sub, the "you don' pay my sub" is useless.


I think the minimum ilevel requirement should be the ilevel requirement of the last story dungeon from the previous expansion.
17-49 = nothing
51-59 = ilevel 90
61-69 = ilevel 230

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Originally Posted by Felis

I think the minimum ilevel requirement should be the ilevel requirement of the last story dungeon from the previous expansion.

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I think you can afford to be a tiny bit more strict than this. They made it so that at the end of every dungeon post ARR, you receive one piece of gear for your current job/role that you do not have in your inventory. By the time you're at the level x9 dungeon, even if you were unlucky and got gear for the same slot all throughout the expansion so you only have effectively the one upgraded piece, it would still make a huge difference to your ilvl once you equip it. And that's not accounting for gear pieces from MSQ. All that adds up to a slightly stricter ilvl restriction, and if players can't answer that, well, why not? The game is throwing leveling gear at us at this point, if you didn't manage to gear up even so much between the failsafe dungeon drops and MSQ gear, it's your own fault and people shouldn't have to make up for it, not when the game bent over backwards to prevent it.

Remember way back when in level 5 when they made you run side quests to get either gear or money for gear because it literally wouldn't let you progress without it? Can we bring that back?

[QUOTE=Felis;4477362]Nobody have to run dungeons to gear up for leveling dungeons. Just run first to the next vendor NPC before enter the queue. Who can't even do that earn a kick./QUOTE] op said he did try kicking the ppl out, the other people voted no simply due to not wanting to wait a 30 min queue. And What i meant by "run to get gear" i mean running to a vendor/market board. Not running a dungeon.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

The current system is fine. There are rarely problems in duties that I run and I run a lot of them with a main and 7 alts.

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no it isn't, it happens way more often them you think, either you are not checking people gear, or don't care. I saw it a ton in ARR dungeons, and see it a few times on HW/SB dungeons. Mainly from ppl leveling alt jobs. which they didn't have gear to supplement and need to buy it/ get it crafted.

I did a leveling roulette on my RDM the other day. I had a ilevel of 111 and it threw me into a level 55+ dungeon. Thankfully my friend who I queued with was a 70 nearly max gear tank who pulled the DPS I lacked (though I was second on DPS ironically, he was first).

This reminded me of playing a DK while leveling when 3.3 was out and had something similar. It was rough. While I had unlocked and completed the dungeon on my then geared White Mage easily. The leveling roulette did NOT check my item level for a different class. All it checks (at least then and it seems to do the same now) is your level and doesn't seem to care what gear you have.

So its not elitist to call for a gear check on leveling roulettes to determine which dungeon you get. Its needed. I don't want to queue and be thrown into a dungeon I'm not capable of doing. For many of my classes I have gear waiting for them (since many share gear). So I don't want to buy the stuff inbetween. I'm perfectly fine with getting Sastasha for my roulette if that's all I'm capable of doing.

imo there is no excuse not to keep your gear up to date. Its not even mmo, but an rpg 101. You can't always get the people like this kicked out, from 2.0-3.0 people got told "gear doesn't matter" so by the time they hit cap, or some such they are not well geared. people see leveling dungeons as easy, and no need to be well geared. Yet, not keeping your gear up to date just slows a run, and makes people do double if not triple the work.

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Originally Posted by Kaethra

For many of my classes I have gear waiting for them (since many share gear). So I don't want to buy the stuff in between. I'm perfectly fine with getting Sastasha for my roulette if that's all I'm capable of doing.

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Or just gear up and save ppl the head ache. :/ no excuse for "not buying stuff" if you need it, waiting on gear is lazy man. And you screw over your other pt members.

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Originally Posted by Kaethra

So I don't want to buy the stuff inbetween. I'm perfectly fine with getting Sastasha for my roulette if that's all I'm capable of doing.

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The problem with roulettes is that it's exploitable. Imagine tanks and healers who'll pull this off and make queueing for anything over even harder than it already is. If anything, when it comes to roulettes, I see them doing the reverse - forcing you to have a minimum ilvl based on your level so that you'll be able to clear your on-level dungeon. If you're not leveled enough for the roulette, run your on-level dungeon or whatever you can run a couple of times and get better gear. Buy vendor gear even. This entire debate is to try and mitigate situations where you're levels upon levels behind what you're supposed to have, not endorse it.

I don't see why they shouldn't add a minimum ilevel requirement to dungeons. There's no reason to be that horrendously undergeared, and I know I wouldn't want to queue for something that my gear was way too low for. I'd rather have the game let me know so I could fix it before going in.

Reminds me of my thread in the german part of the forum. It has to stop that people can go into leveling dungeons basically naked.

And for all these "you don't pay my sub" or "you are just elitist" people in this thread: I hope you'll get hopeless undergeared players in your dungeons, like i got a ilvl 130 tank in a level 61 dungeon. That has nothing to do with the desire to speed run, its the wish to be able to complete this dungeon, without 342807987234 wipes.

Btw. you don't pay my sub either but you ruining my game experience if you are joining a dungeon with a ilvl that belongs in a dungeon 20 or more level below.

To tell you the truth, I thought ilevel requirements were already in place for leveling dungeons. After all, the game makes a big point to let you know when your level has been adjusted for the content when doing dungeons and fates.

While we all know ilevel and level are separate things, the fact SE already puts a limit upon players while going through content shows that an ilevel requirement for dungeons is doable. So, yeah, I'd like to see this implemented.

*Expanded thoughts...

You know, if the game can squish stats down when higher level characters are going through the lower level leveling dungeons, why can't the game inflate the stats up if a character is undergeared for a particular dungeon? After all, isn't the game making an educated guess as to the average stats and gear we'd have for the content?

So what would be easier, an ilevel limit or an automatic average stat adjuster per dungeon? :confused:

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Originally Posted by BigRed5392

imo there is no excuse not to keep your gear up to date. Its not even mmo, but an rpg 101. You can\\'t always get the people like this kicked out, from 2.0-3.0 people got told "gear doesn\\'t matter"

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Depends how you play. When levelling jobs for example I\\'ll typically just do roulettes. And by and large gear really doesn\\'t matter for that.

It really doesn\\'t matter if your level 68 and still rocking 200 gear in your msq alliance or 50/60 and trials roulettes for example.

Generally then it\\'s often not worth upgrading gear because the likelyhood of getting a duty that needs it in your roulettes is incredibly low. It\\'s easy to see why people just don\\'t bother with gear. More often than not even the levelling roulette would be fine if you were rocking 200 gear at 68. Simply because the chances of getting a 60+levelling dungeon are pretty slim.

Just saying it\\'s easy to see why players don\\'t bother. I think my blm went from 60-70 in diabolic left side and proto Ultima right side. And I got 2 60+ dungeons in all the roulettes I did from 60-70. Didn\\'t even think about gear.

You.just don't need to keep it up to date for levelling. That's why I said earliernyoud only need a fairly low I level check on levelling dungeons.

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Originally Posted by Dzian

Depends how you play. When levelling jobs for example I\\'ll typically just do roulettes. And by and large gear really doesn\\'t matter for that.

It really doesn\\'t matter if your level 68 and still rocking 200 gear in your msq alliance or 50/60 and trials roulettes for example.

Generally then it\\'s often not worth upgrading gear because the likelyhood of getting a duty that needs it in your roulettes is incredibly low. It\\'s easy to see why people just don\\'t bother with gear. More often than not even the levelling roulette would be fine if you were rocking 200 gear at 68. Simply because the chances of getting a 60+levelling dungeon are pretty slim.

Just saying it\\'s easy to see why players don\\'t bother. I think my blm went from 60-70 in diabolic left side and proto Ultima right side. And I got 2 60+ dungeons in all the roulettes I did from 60-70. Didn\\'t even think about gear.

You.just don't need to keep it up to date for levelling. That's why I said earliernyoud only need a fairly low I level check on levelling dungeons.

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Generally speaking, it’s not that big of a deal for a DPS job to be wearing i270 or even the i273 Shisui gear. But once you hit Bardam’s, Doma Castle, and Castrum Abania, it’s a huge deal (and it’s a huge difference) if you get a healer or tank wearing i270 gear—especially if one or the other wants to do large pulls. It just cannot be done without putting a lot of strain on both the tank and the healer, especially if DPS is subpar.

If you are, for example, level 67, but not geared enough on your tank or healer job to queue into Leveling (because you know today will be the day it gives you Doma Castle), then at least get the cheapy vendor gear rather than just YOLO-ing it. Because when I was leveling my healers, I hated getting tanks in i270 Shire in Doma Castle that insisted on doing the big daddy pulls, but just could not survive even with me spamming my strongest heals on them (and feeding them Boles on AST).

When I was leveling DRK, I was still rocking mostly i270 Shire stuff. So I did not queue into Leveling Roulette, or anything past Shisui out of respect for whoever I would have gotten as my healer. (Well, and Alliance Roulette exp was godly, so I just did it and MSQ Roulette every day for a week to get from level 66 to 70.)

It’s all about being respectful. If you know you’re undergeared, don’t queue into stuff that you are not equipped to handle; stick to the other roulettes like 50/60, Trials, MSQ, or Alliance roulette. Or invest in some cheap gear to hold you over until you get dungeon drops.

Has my vote. Tired of getting bardams when I do leveling roulette on a healer class that has a tank wearing lvl 60 or lower white gear on most if not all of their slots that still thinks they can superpull just to have their HP go from 100-0 in the cast time of 1 heal spell.

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Originally Posted by NocturniaUzuki

Honestly though, I've never had this issue. People leaving, yes. But a player with Lv50 gear in a Lv70 dungeon, etc, never.

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Level 70 dungeons have an item level requirement. Imagine though if I could queue into it with item level 130 gear though. Does that sound fun for your dungeon?

Because that's basically what's happening in Sirensong. To help here, the minimum for a level 70 dungeon is 280, unless it's Skalla, then 300. Imagine that removed. Imagine me being allowed to queue in gear not good enough for the content.

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Originally Posted by Dzian

It really doesn\\'t matter if your level 68 and still rocking 200 gear in your msq alliance or 50/60 and trials roulettes for example.

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Yes, it doesn't matter for those, since those will normally put you in a duty that can be finished with ilvl200 (well, higher level trials may include Susano and Lakshmi, so that may matter).

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Originally Posted by Dzian

Generally then it\\'s often not worth upgrading gear because the likelyhood of getting a duty that needs it in your roulettes is incredibly low.

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And this is where you're wrong. When I leveled my healers, after I reached lvl61, I almost completely stopped getting anything lower than that. I got the highest level dungeon I unlocked majority of the time, and one of the lower Stormblood dungeons most of the remaining time. I got non-Stormblood dungeon maybe twice or thrice between 61-70. And I have all three healers at lvl70.
Something like seeing Bardam's Mettle was not "rare". It happened four times in a row after I got my Astrologian to lvl65, just like I got Shisui of the Violet Tides three or four times in a row after reaching level 63 before that.

And for a tank and a healer, it REALLY matters what gear you have.

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Originally Posted by Jijifli

Level 70 dungeons have an item level requirement. Imagine though if I could queue into it with item level 130 gear though. Does that sound fun for your dungeon?

Because that's basically what's happening in Sirensong. To help here, the minimum for a level 70 dungeon is 280, unless it's Skalla, then 300. Imagine that removed. Imagine me being allowed to queue in gear not good enough for the content.

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It sounds like a minor annoyance, but fun. And ironically, I did have a run of Skalla yesterday where the DPS did less damage than myself as the tank combined. Just changed it up though. Variance is fun.

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Originally Posted by LORD_METATRON

im tired of getting ... i50 healer that cant heal me when im tanking 2 mobs also in sirensong

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It happened to me a few days ago, leveled AST in potd, and when 60 ran to Idyll to get the shiny Shire gear and queued some roulette... just to find out my weapon was still at "lol level" at first intensive heal place I got.

I did taken my responsability and left, eating my penalty. And used that time to buy appropriate weapon ofc.

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Originally Posted by NocturniaUzuki

It sounds like a minor annoyance, but fun.

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fun
noun
1.
enjoyment, amusement, or lighthearted pleasure.

adjective
1.
amusing, entertaining, or enjoyable.

We must have wildly different definitions of the word, because carrying someone isn't fun to me.

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Originally Posted by NocturniaUzuki

It sounds like a minor annoyance, but fun. And ironically, I did have a run of Skalla yesterday where the DPS did less damage than myself as the tank combined. Just changed it up though. Variance is fun.

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Okay. Cool. Your dps were bad and the dungeon doesn't punish slow killing.

Now imagine if your healer healed like a level 50 healer in Skalla. Or your tank one shotted by any tank buster even WITH cooldowns. How fun would that be?

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Originally Posted by Azper

fun
noun
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enjoyment, amusement, or lighthearted pleasure.

adjective
1.
amusing, entertaining, or enjoyable.

We must have wildly different definitions of the word, because carrying someone isn't fun to me.

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No need to be snarky, Azper. Nocturnia was only stating she enjoys the challenge of having to carry someone. Personally, I'm the same way.

Now, I definitely wouldn't want to carry groups all the time. That would not be enjoyable at all; but, as a change of pace once in awhile thing, hell yeah.

"Challenge accepted." :D

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Originally Posted by Jijifli

Okay. Cool. Your dps were bad and the dungeon doesn't punish slow killing.

Now imagine if your healer healed like a level 50 healer in Skalla. Or your tank one shotted by any tank buster even WITH cooldowns. How fun would that be?

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Yuck. Not fun. Yeah, you can't carry everyone all the time. Tanks and healers need to keep their ilvl up to par more so than damage dealers.

Back on topic, set ilvl requirements for dungeons is a good idea.

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Originally Posted by BigRed5392

Or just gear up and save ppl the head ache. :/ no excuse for "not buying stuff" if you need it, waiting on gear is lazy man. And you screw over your other pt members.

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I don't need it. I just need for them to NOT throw me in dungeons I'm not qualified for. How about this. If it bothers you that much, login to Leviathan and mail me a set of 55 gear and 65 gear for each role. Those are my terms, take them or leave them. Or ask for SE to ensure limits are enforced. Ball is in your court.

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Originally Posted by Kaethra

I don't need it. I just need for them to NOT throw me in dungeons I'm not qualified for. How about this. If it bothers you that much, login to Leviathan and mail me a set of 55 gear and 65 gear for each role. Those are my terms, take them or leave them. Or ask for SE to ensure limits are enforced. Ball is in your court.

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yes you do need it more so if you are messing up your group:) I am not fond if the "i don't need it" attitude it comes off as lazy.
updating gear is easy.

If i was on levi, i most definitely would make you gear. I am a crafter and i do make gear for people. Hell come to goblin and join the fc my g.f runs. I can make all the gear you need on my days off. :)

I can even help with melds if you choose to meld the gear. :)


(bet you were not expecting that reply lol)

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Originally Posted by Kaethra

I don't need it. I just need for them to NOT throw me in dungeons I'm not qualified for. How about this. If it bothers you that much, login to Leviathan and mail me a set of 55 gear and 65 gear for each role. Those are my terms, take them or leave them. Or ask for SE to ensure limits are enforced. Ball is in your court.

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Are you serious? Don't you have any respect for the people that you meet in this game? Wow....

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Originally Posted by Kaethra

Or ask for SE to ensure limits are enforced.

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This is what this thread is for lmao. Though not in the way you want them to where you'd only get Sastasha. The leveling roulette is meant to help move queues along, and we won't be helping any of that if we'll limit you to the first three dungeons. Not to mention that sort of thing awards lazy behavior when it's ridiculously easy to get proper on-level gear these days.

Used to level my alt only using 50/60 and MSQ roulettes because he was 57 but with level 50 gear. Then I got all my upgraded level 60 gear through poetics and wanted to power through onward so I made myself the 56 set because it's a healer chara and no way in hell am I queueing for leveling which can net me in the Vault with ilvl 129. Because I want to perform to the best of my abilities when I play, it won't be fun for me otherwise, and the poor people who'll be stuck with me have done no wrong that I am aware of to deserve it.

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Originally Posted by Kaethra

I don't need it. I just need for them to NOT throw me in dungeons I'm not qualified for. How about this. If it bothers you that much, login to Leviathan and mail me a set of 55 gear and 65 gear for each role. Those are my terms, take them or leave them. Or ask for SE to ensure limits are enforced. Ball is in your court.

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That's like saying you're not using any of your level 62-68 abilities in Doma Castle because you don't know how to and can't be bothered to find out.
You're making the run harder than it has to be out of pure laziness and disregard for the rest of the party.

I also agree on adding item level requirements for leveling dungeons. But this should only apply from Heavensward and on.

Dusk Vigil - 100
Sohm Al - 105
The Aery - 110
The Vault - 115
The Great Gubal Library - 120

The Sirensong Sea - 240
Shisui of the Violet Tides - 245
Bardam's Mettle - 255
Doma Castle - 260
Castrum Abania - 265

Oh, here is a similar thread I made several months back concerning the leveling dungeon issue: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l-requirements

Edit: Added the link to the thread in question.

Decent NQ gear is dirt cheap on the MB, and usually cheaper still from vendors. The Jewelled Crozier in Ishgard offers cheap gear for L50 and 60. When leveling a class I usually upgrade every five levels. I won't have the best gear, or the best materia slotted, but it's always passable at least without costing much at all.

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Originally Posted by RokkuEkkusu

I also agree on adding item level requirements for leveling dungeons. But this should only apply from Heavensward and on.

Dusk Vigil - 100
Sohm Al - 105
The Aery - 110
The Vault - 115
The Great Gubal Library - 120

The Sirensong Sea - 240
Shisui of the Violet Tides - 245
Bardam's Mettle - 255
Doma Castle - 260
Castrum Abania - 265

Oh, here is a similar thread I made several months back concerning the leveling dungeon issue: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l-requirements

Edit: Added the link to the thread in question.

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While i agree with the idea in general, i would push up the ilvl at least by 10.

I want to mention something that's been truly annoying to me when I see responses like "its my sub" and "its not a big deal/elitism".

I can't help but feel like those are the typical responses from people who usually play dps.

Oh sure, your tank is well geared and your healer too so its nothing off your rump to care about. You're not the one who has to take damage to protect the party nor who has to heal to ensure your survival. All you gotta do is kill stuff.

Try running a dgn where your tank can barely survive a single pack of mobs (not a mass pull) or gets one shotted by an unavoidable attack. Or maybe getting healed by your healer's biggest and best spell combined with buffs, only to heal about 10-15% of your health.

I see this a lot in Sirensong and a little less in the later dgns. There's lvl 60 gear being sold with gil currency that can be bought in Ishgard, ilvl 255 I believe. There's no reason to show up in a lvl 61 dgn with anything less than 250 gear minimum, 240 to stretch.

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Originally Posted by SenorPatty

I want to mention something that's been truly annoying to me when I see responses like "its my sub" and "its not a big deal/elitism".

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"You don't pay my sub don't tell me what to do!"

You don't pay mine either, don't tell me I can't.

"That's different my sub's better than your sub!"

(This was a legit situation once.)

If you don't like the party for whatever reason simply leave. Doing a run with seriously undergeared people will end up taking longer than the penalty.

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Originally Posted by Felis

I think the minimum ilevel requirement should be the ilevel requirement of the last story dungeon from the previous expansion.
17-49 = nothing
51-59 = ilevel 90
61-69 = ilevel 230

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I'd like to amend this according to what the game throws at you and makes easy to acquire, and this is only with general level ranges (as doing a more detailed list from Heavensward onward, per dungeon, would be nice too):

15-27 -> no requirement
28-34 -> i20
35-43 -> i30
44-49 -> i40
51-56 -> i115
57-60* -> i133
61-64 -> i255
65-68 -> i265
69-70* -> i275

* These two cases, Gubal Library (normal) and Castrum Abania, cap off at 60 and 70 for job levels, but gear levels 150 and 290; likewise, they are technically lv 59 and 69 dungeons respectively. My suggested iLV requirements have zero bearing on the endgame dungeons for 50, 60, or 70.

I mean, there's even a quest (well, three) in the early story during the initial arcs of our starting cities, where we have to wear gear at a minimum level in order to proceed. This should have already given people an idea to look out for minimum iLV requirements, but it goes forgotten, possibly due to a lack of reinforcement outside of endgame content. This is quite possibly a large part to why I would like to see minimum requirements from Haukke nm onward, though nothing too serious, because that might help people's minds connect new synapses that recognize the practice of wearing decent gear for their level.

Also, put iLV requirements on the trials we do for story in those level ranges.

I would furthermore like to suggest that if someone wants to enter these instances with subpar gear then maybe they should consider getting a premade group together that's willing to agre to such a challenge. Then queue in with the required gear, and swap to your desired low-end gear afterward, before you enter combat. Leave out everyone else who wants to actually, you know, get through the dungeon like "normal," for a lack of a better word. If you can't find anyone who wants to do this with you, then don't force it on other people who simply aren't interested in unnecessary aggravations that come with poorly geared party members.

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Originally Posted by Jijifli

"You don't pay my sub don't tell me what to do!"

You don't pay mine either, don't tell me I can't.

"That's different my sub's better than your sub!"

(This was a legit situation once.)

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It's not limited to games either, sadly. There was a time when my family and I went to a theater to see a movie, and this one woman showed up with a crying baby that spoiled the experience for everyone in the audience. We tried asking her, since she was right next to us, in a friendly tone to take the baby outside. Her response, in an indignant tone: "I paid, OK? I paid."

More than halfway into the film, I ended up having to tell her that everyone in the theater paid too, but also that we did so for the movie, and only the movie plus overpriced junkfood. Not three minutes later she got up and left--never saw her again after that--and I could hear a few people around me breathe a heavy sigh of relief.

Yeah, "You don't pay my sub" is just an arrogant cop-out, imo, that spoils more than it ought to. When people here want PUGs to wear decent gear, it's out of respect for the content and everyone else's time (including their own).

While I support the idea of item level minimums, there is an issue with how the roulette works. The intent so far has been that a person doesn't get to choose the instance they get from the roulette. The number of dungeons in the roulette grows each time you level up and there's nothing you can do about it.

However, if item level requirements were added to leveling dungeons then a person could always exclude a dungeon they don't like by lowering his/her item level. Don't like the Vault? Take off half of your equipped gear before queuing. This would not only go against what a roulette is but also affect the queue times and frequency of higher level dungeons. People who don't cheat the system would perhaps find themselves getting Sastasha and Toto-Rak more often because they get teamed up with item level cheaters who don't like Aurum Vale.

I would like to see roulettes remain as random as they can be and not give people any means to deliberately skew the queuing process. Does anyone have a solution for this potential issue?

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Originally Posted by Reinha

I would like to see roulettes remain as random as they can be and not give people any means to deliberately skew the queuing process. Does anyone have a solution for this potential issue?

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How about if you're level 47 ( figured it was a good level,who doesn't want to dodge Aurum Vale?) you can't use DR: Levelling until you're at ilvl 40?obviously ilvls could be altered but basically make it so either you need to be appropriately geared based on the specific level of that class or levelling roulette just isn't an option for you?

That's almost roughly a fair point, except a lot of people I know, or have at least met, would rather avoid Sast through Copperbell nm, plus Toto, which would essentially be in the roulette no matter what you do to try to avoid Aurum Vale or other, higher-level dungeons in Leveling. The only way to avoid those dungeons would be to not run the roulette at all, then.

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Originally Posted by Aster_E

That's almost roughly a fair point, except a lot of people I know, or have at least met, would rather avoid Sast through Copperbell nm, plus Toto, which would essentially be in the roulette no matter what you do to try to avoid Aurum Vale or other, higher-level dungeons in Leveling. The only way to avoid those dungeons would be to not run the roulette at all, then.

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I'm not trying to be arrogant but I feel l Iike my prior post addresses this exact point. Tie ilvl restrictions in DR: Levelling to the level of the class. You're a level 63 SAM? Well then in order to use levelling roulette you must meet the ilvl requirements for your highest level dungeon, in this case Shisui.

If I've misunderstood and you're just saying people want to avoid Sastasha and other low level dungeons in general well... yeah, but you can't. This discussion isn't about keeping overgeared players out of low level instances, just about setting and enforcing minimum item level standards in a way that still ensures true randomness for DR: Levelling.

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Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki

How about if you're level 47 ( figured it was a good level,who doesn't want to dodge Aurum Vale?) you can't use DR: Levelling until you're at ilvl 40?obviously ilvls could be altered but basically make it so either you need to be appropriately geared based on the specific level of that class or levelling roulette just isn't an option for you?

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This is a good solution, but my first thought was that it might be hard to write clearly on the roulette description. This made me wonder how the different entry item levels are treated in 50/60 roulette. I swapped to my level 70 tank and on the roulette page a minimum item level of 45 was required. I equipped exactly that, queued up and got Wanderer's Palace. Seems like item level cheating is already possible, just not in leveling roulette. -_-

I guess this isn't as big an issue as I thought it would be.