The big spoiler in the Heavensward opening/trailer was a huge mistake. (spoilers obv)

Ok i will all caps for this so you can read it.

THIS IS NOT THE TRAILER, IT IS THE OPENING CINEMATIC FOR HEAVENSWARD.

THE TRAILER WAS POSTED MONTHS AGO.

Yoshida mentioned this in every interview since the trailer came out.

Common sense tells me that the Heavensward intro won't play at the title screen for a completely new player who buys the complete edition.

But today's trailer, and people's opinions in this thread, lend credence to the absurd motion that it might happen.

That would be immensely stupid.

I'm done with this discussion because it's completely pointless trying to talk sense into the OF, but I'd just like to point out for those that are saying that the context of the scene will make no sense to someone who hasn't played the game and won't ruin it for them at all, you meet Nanamo at like level 15. She dies in the preview. That's pretty much the climax of the entire story. The warning is there for a reason, but the scene didn't need to be there at all. People didn't need context, they just needed hype for Ishgard. It was unnecessary and stupid to put something in that completely cut off an entire portion of the game's audience from seeing it. There are other trailers, sure, but this is the full CGI one, the one that's supposed to grab people (thus the name "screen grab") which anybody new can now not see because they will get spoiled if they do. I'm amazed people are just fine with that, I guess because you're not in their shoes so it's fine whatever they do. Who cares though, they put a warning there, I hope Heavensward bombs in sales so SE finally gets a wake up call that copying WoW won't last them forever. Feel free to defend all their decisions to the death, it's really telling just how often this happens.

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Originally Posted by Wildsprite

you're right we don't actually know it, however the info from the live letter gave the impression it would. I guess we will have to wait and see.

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It could also very well be something that locks behind content. Remember how literally everything behind HW requires completing the main story? Changing the cutscene would actually be something rather dynamic to go with it.

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Originally Posted by SpookyGhost

I'm done with this discussion because it's completely pointless trying to talk sense into the OF, but I'd just like to point out for those that are saying that the context of the scene will make no sense to someone who hasn't played the game and won't ruin it for them at all, you meet Nanamo at like level 15. She dies in the preview. That's pretty much the climax of the entire story. The warning is there for a reason, but the scene didn't need to be there at all. People didn't need context, they just needed hype for Ishgard. It was unnecessary and stupid to put something in that completely cut off an entire portion of the game's audience from seeing it. There are other trailers, sure, but this is the full CGI one, the one that's supposed to grab people (thus the name "screen grab") which anybody new can now not see because they will get spoiled if they do. I'm amazed people are just fine with that, I guess because you're not in their shoes so it's fine whatever they do. Who cares though, they put a warning there, I hope Heavensward bombs in sales so SE finally gets a wake up call that copying WoW won't last them forever. Feel free to defend all their decisions to the death, it's really telling just how often this happens.

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1) Again, this is the opening for the expansion, a new player won't likely see it because the HW opening cinematic is not intended for them.
2) The warning is there for current players who haven't finished the 2.55 content at this time but are still invested in the story, because they are the target audience.
3) Once again, it's an expansion cinema. These are meant to grab people who already played the first part, not new players. New players get the "End of an Era" cinema.
4) I can say with absolute 100% certainty that HW is not going to bomb, and I read nearly this exact sentence every time a popular MMO comes out with an expansion. It rarely happens.

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Originally Posted by Takfloyd

Common sense tells me that the Heavensward intro won't play at the title screen for a completely new player who buys the complete edition.

But today's trailer, and people's opinions in this thread, lend credence to the absurd motion that it might happen.

That would be immensely stupid.

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Again, I will say this. New people won't even be able to access HW to begin with, it was already stated that players have to beat the 2.0 stories in order to even get into Ishgard. I highly doubt they would put an intro for an expansion into the 2.0 part of the story, it'll probably show right when they beat 2.55 or something like that. :I

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Originally Posted by Takfloyd

This is true, and that's why I never watch those until after I beat the game.

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You actually skip game openings? oO

Show them the older Heavensward Trailer without the spoilers?

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Originally Posted by Aeyis

You actually skip game openings? oO

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The pre-title screen ones? Of course. If I had watched the openings for games like Nier or Tales of Symphonia or even Chrono Trigger before playing them, the entire experience would be ruined for me.

Also again a high five to SpookyGhost for being the one sane man here. To be honest, I should have expected the majority reaction to this thread since this is an MMO and MMO playerbases aren't exactly known for caring about story, spoilers or the developer's business strategy. These are the same people who populate a game where most people will actually tell you to skip cutscenes the first time in a dungeon after all.

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Originally Posted by Takfloyd

The pre-title screen ones? Of course. If I had watched the openings for games like Nier or Tales of Symphonia or even Chrono Trigger before playing them, the entire experience would be ruined for me.

Also again a high five to SpookyGhost for being the one sane man here. To be honest, I should have expected the majority reaction to this thread since this is an MMO and MMO playerbases aren't exactly known for caring about story, spoilers or the developer's business strategy. These are the same people who populate a game where most people will actually tell you to skip cutscenes the first time in a dungeon after all.

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I have to disagree... then only thign kind fo spoil in a big way in Neir was Devola point her staff at you

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Originally Posted by Takfloyd

The pre-title screen ones? Of course. If I had watched the openings for games like Nier or Tales of Symphonia or even Chrono Trigger before playing them, the entire experience would be ruined for me.

Also again a high five to SpookyGhost for being the one sane man here. To be honest, I should have expected the majority reaction to this thread since this is an MMO and MMO playerbases aren't exactly known for caring about story, spoilers or the developer's business strategy. These are the same people who populate a game where most people will actually tell you to skip cutscenes the first time in a dungeon after all.

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Except for the fact you're choosing to ignore posts that actually give proper reasons as to why its like this. Then again, I like being insane if it means I'm not choosing to be ignorant and only looking for attention. I already gave my point, as did others, have fun with whatever it is you are trying to do.

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Originally Posted by Waffilicious

Ok i will all caps for this so you can read it.

THIS IS NOT THE TRAILER, IT IS THE OPENING CINEMATIC FOR HEAVENSWARD.

THE TRAILER WAS POSTED MONTHS AGO.

Yoshida mentioned this in every interview since the trailer came out.

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I don't know about you but on the official youtube channel I read it trailer...
http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/...59-trailer.jpg

and I don't know about you, but it's been advertised as opening cinematic since a month or so before it was shown. I'd consider that a mislabel on the localization team

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Originally Posted by Daranion

and I don't know about you, but it's been advertised as opening cinematic since a month or so before it was shown. I'd consider that a mislabel on the localization team

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Or that this version isn't complete. Or that maybe, an opening scene can be used as a trailer.

Isn't the fact that your character is in Ishgard for the entire trailer a spoiler as well, since the entire MSQ pretty much hammers in the fact that Ishgard is closed off to us outsiders? SE just shouldn't make trailers for their expansion at all, too many spoilers the expansion is now spoiled.

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Originally Posted by DefendPopPunk

Isn't the fact that your character is in Ishgard for the entire trailer a spoiler as well, since the entire MSQ pretty much hammers in the fact that Ishgard is closed off to us outsiders? SE just shouldn't make trailers for their expansion at all, too many spoilers the expansion is now spoiled.

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I think you forgot the spoiler alert about the end of the main quest of ARR when they say that we are going to Ishgard that rejoin the Eorzean alliance.

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Originally Posted by Takfloyd

The pre-title screen ones? Of course. If I had watched the openings for games like Nier or Tales of Symphonia or even Chrono Trigger before playing them, the entire experience would be ruined for me.

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I play games for their story most of the time. Considering how most game openings tend to be timed to hype you up for the story, and often played after the intro; it makes no sense to skip them, imo.

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Originally Posted by Daranion

and I don't know about you, but it's been advertised as opening cinematic since a month or so before it was shown. I'd consider that a mislabel on the localization team

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The localization team has it correct I'd say. Trailer is usually the same thing as the opening (+ possible added text/etc) for japanese games.


In fact the opening having spoilers is precisely what makes them interesting for new players.

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Originally Posted by Takfloyd

This is true, and that's why I never watch those until after I beat the game.

However, Heavensward's "opening" is not just that - it is also supposed to serve as the primary trailer and crowd-puller for the game.

FF14 wasn't even on my radar until the "End of an Era" trailer was released. It sold me on the game.

However, if it was preceded by an ominous spoiler warning, I wouldn't have watched it, and likely never bought the game.

This is what so many of you fail to understand.

SpookyGhost is the only one who "gets it" so far.

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I don't understand you said from watching the end of an era trailer you were sold on the game. And I'm guessing that you've continued playing right up to the conclusion of the current storyline.

Isn't it contradictory now to turn around and say that people would be turned off the game by spoilers when that's how you were drawn in?

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Originally Posted by Mattiej

I don't understand you said from watching the end of an era trailer you were sold on the game. And I'm guessing that you've continued playing right up to the conclusion of the current storyline.

Isn't it contradictory now to turn around and say that people would be turned off the game by spoilers when that's how you were drawn in?

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to be fair ARR doesn't contain the story that the spoilers in the End of an Era trailer showed. it does however have the spoilers that are shown in the Heavensward Cinematic(which has unfortunately been named a trailer on the FFXIV ARR youtube).

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Originally Posted by lololink

I think you forgot the spoiler alert about the end of the main quest of ARR when they say that we are going to Ishgard that rejoin the Eorzean alliance.

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I admit I only watched it once so I don't remember every word that came onscreen but all I'm getting at is that the entire trailer shows off quite a bit that is built up to in the MSQ that really any part of it could be spoiler and not just the five seconds of flashback of that "one moment," as mentioned by the OP.

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Originally Posted by Mattiej

I don't understand you said from watching the end of an era trailer you were sold on the game. And I'm guessing that you've continued playing right up to the conclusion of the current storyline.

Isn't it contradictory now to turn around and say that people would be turned off the game by spoilers when that's how you were drawn in?

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The fact that you are asking this question when the answer is in the very post you are quoting is the kind of thing that goes to show that people don't even read or try to understand my posts.

It is perplexing that posts like this are getting likes, though obviously it can be assumed that one or two people are going through the thread and liking every post that argues for their side.

My slant on the debate.

I have done all MSQ and love the opening of heavensward. I think this serves the purpose for me in getting me (and others who have done 2.55 content) hyped.

However, my wife plays and has not done then new MSQ (only up to 2.5 original). I can not show this to her, as it will spoil things. Is this an issue? Not really in my opinion, as she will likely have to do the quest before she sees this in game.

My problem will be if this plays in game before people have done the MSQ quests.

If SE intended this to get new players, then its not good, not if they did not and are going to use previous "trailers" and some new yet to be be seen stuff, then no issue

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Originally Posted by Kurenai_Night

I disagree with that!

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I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with the fact that you find his statement on disagreeing disagreeable. :D

OT: As was said on page 2, there is a spoiler free version, and the warning was clear enough.

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Originally Posted by Takfloyd

The fact that you are asking this question when the answer is in the very post you are quoting is the kind of thing that goes to show that people don't even read or try to understand my posts.

It is perplexing that posts like this are getting likes, though obviously it can be assumed that one or two people are going through the thread and liking every post that argues for their side.

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I'm just trying to understand your viewpoint. How would you have been drawn to his game had you not been "spoiled" as you said. Maybe you can clarify for this for me: were you spoiled by the end of an era trailer?

That's what my post is about you made it seem that there were spoilers in it and if you had seen a warning prior you wouldn't have brought the game.

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Originally Posted by eagleone

If SE intended this to get new players, then its not good, not if they did not and are going to use previous "trailers" and some new yet to be be seen stuff, then no issue

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They've stated they're going to be showing this in theatres in Japan, which is basically throwing a major spoiler at potential players. And yeah, whether they centrally intended or not for it to be given to new players, the fact is that it could be what pushes them into buying it (And they're aware there will be brand new players, hence the ARR+Heavensward combo pack). And seeing the major spoiler in it is kinda... unfortunate for anyone who might not be playing yet but is interested.

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were you spoiled by the end of an era trailer?

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End of an Era literally ended a game that we could no longer play.

This is very different from this spoiler, which spoils events that a new player will be able to - in fact required to - eventually play through. When Heavensward hits, new players won't magically be skipping the 2.0-2.55 events the same way that functionally we all were forced to skip 1.0s if we weren't there for it.

I think it is a good thing from marketing point of view.

People who play should avoid, (spoilers do warn them) but people who have no clue about story just see some lala lying on the floor with an angry main character of the vid, and some other dude looking really angry and pissed, this sparks interest. What is happening there?

This would put me into the game, and want to play the story to understand the video.

Just cool looking scenes won't do enough (for me), I need to see there is a story, and this one does that.

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Originally Posted by Takfloyd

Also again a high five to SpookyGhost for being the one sane man here.

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What I glean from your posts is this...

Anyone who doesn't agree with you is 'insane'.
You obviously do not know what foreshadowing is.
Anyone who doesn't agree with you is 'insane'.
Don't watch RPG opening movies/title screen videos it will ruin the whole game.
Anyone who doesn't agree with you is 'insane'.
Apparently there are leagues of people who DO agree with you but they aren't here right now.
Oh, and anyone who doesn't agree with you is 'insane'.

You're not serious right? Calling people insane just because they don't share your opinion xD

Oh and I am an RPG fan, and I love a good story and I am an avid reader and abhor spoilers, but I always watch opening movies to games.

It is an opening to the story, and offers a glimpse into what 'MAY' come. It is foreshadowing yet does not give away the full twist of the story. It is supposed to draw you in, to want to play and see what happens.

Since the expansion is coming, the 2.0 story is ending therefore it is no longer the focus. If new players decide to watch the spoiler warning trailer then they accept they may see something, but honestly, by the time they get to level 50 and get through tons of the MSQ to get to the last few...they'll likely have forgotten that tiny few seconds in the trailer where they showed something of a character they didn't even know at the time of viewing and they are probably more interested in Heavenward than the old content since they joined specifically for Heavensward.

If the new player does not want to see spoilers there are plenty of other heavenward videos with absolutely zero spoilers in them.

So honestly I am sorry but I don't see your argument and this just seems like an example of people will complain about anything under the sun if they can. Just show your friends the non spoiler videos and then it's all good.

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Originally Posted by Mattiej

I'm just trying to understand your viewpoint. How would you have been drawn to his game had you not been "spoiled" as you said. Maybe you can clarify for this for me: were you spoiled by the end of an era trailer?

That's what my post is about you made it seem that there were spoilers in it and if you had seen a warning prior you wouldn't have brought the game.

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Okay I will explain it again in simple terms.

"End of an Era" got me interested in playing the game.

If End of an Era was preceded with a spoiler warning, I would have stopped watching. The result? I might not have bought the game.

The HW trailer is preceded with a spoiler warning.

Hence, if I wasn't already playing, I wouldn't watch that trailer, and Square Enix would lose a potential customer.

Removing the spoiler warning is also not an option, because people would be outraged at the spoilers.

Thus, the extremely simple solution is to cut those 10 spoilery seconds of the trailer, which would in no way affect its quality, and remove the spoiler warning.

The fact that people argue against this is completely puzzling.

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Originally Posted by Takfloyd

Common sense tells me that the Heavensward intro won't play at the title screen for a completely new player who buys the complete edition.

But today's trailer, and people's opinions in this thread, lend credence to the absurd motion that it might happen.

That would be immensely stupid.

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First, It's exactly like Bahamut in the video for 2.0 in that it explicitly shows storyline events to those who haven't seen them before and therefore putting this video at the opening follows that precedent exactly. You can not ignore that. You can not belittle that reality that it was technically spoilers for those who never played 1.0.
Second, Yoshida and Square literature themselves call this the opening video. This isn't a debate about it. Canonically from the source it's labeled as an opening video. Your opinion is completely invalid in the face of facts on this matter.
Lastly, you assuming you know what they will do is more inline with being immensely stupid.

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Originally Posted by Takfloyd

The fact that people argue against this is completely puzzling.

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Try to put yourself in their shoes for a second. Stop assuming only you are correct. Also stop acting condescending with sentences like this one.
You are arguing your OPINION. You are not the harbinger of all things correct and factual. It's your opinion and nothing more. Learn to be nicer about it.

People don't agree with you. Getting nasty about it won't make them agree. Find a way to deal with it.

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Originally Posted by Tiggy

First, It's exactly like Bahamut in the video for 2.0 in that it explicitly shows storyline events to those who haven't seen them before and therefore putting this video at the opening follows that precedent exactly. You can not ignore that. You can not belittle that reality that it was technically spoilers for those who never played 1.0.

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I cannot believe that people are still claiming these scenarios to be identical after three people have already explained why they are not.

And arguing "opening" versus "trailer" is semantics and irrelevant.

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Originally Posted by Takfloyd

I cannot believe that people are still claiming these scenarios to be identical after three people have already explained why they are not.

And arguing "opening" versus "trailer" is semantics and irrelevant.

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You're right it is semantic and irrelevant so stop making a big deal about that semantic until someone like me points it out. You can't use it for your arguement and then against it whenever it's convenient for you at the moment.

Additionally, the 2.0 opening and 3.0 opening are clearly doing the same thing and I don't give a crap what other people have said about it. They, like you, are not the lord of all things accurate. Parading their OPINIONS in front of me won't make me back down from what I know to be true. That being that the 2.0 opening cinematic blatantly showed the last bits of story line of the 1.0 era, (Literally it was the exact final cutscene verbatim with just another minute or so added on to the end) and the 3.0 opening has CG animated versions of several parts of the final cut scenes. Both had obvious and clear details of the final story moments from the previous version. Both showed them to potentially players who had never seen it before that moment and therefore it was a spoiler to them. To me and to many that's obviously the same exact concept both times. You can parade a million people in front of me that agree with you, but not one would prevent me from using my brain to see the obvious truth. Only weak men and women are swayed by popular opinion over their own intelligence. The way you exasperatingly act like you can't believe everyone else's opinions speaks more about you than me. It's the final act of someone finding themselves on the wrong side of public opinion. Struggling to maintain relevance by insulting those who disagree.

If you want people to take you seriously in this thread you can not continue to ignore the obvious right in front of you. You can not rely on "other people" to prove your point for you. Assuming that because they agree with you that you are more accurate is a logical fallacy. Look it up. http://www.logicalfallacies.info/rel...to-popularity/

Stop acting so shocked that people don't agree with you. Your incredulousness doesn't make you come across as more correct either. Makes you seem desperate for approval.

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Originally Posted by Garlyle

They've statedthey're going to be showing this in theatres in Japan, which is basically throwing a major spoiler at potential players. And yeah, whether they centrally intended or not for it to be given to new players, the fact is that it could be what pushes them into buying it (And they're aware there will be brand new players, hence the ARR+Heavensward combo pack). And seeing the major spoiler in it is kinda... unfortunate for anyone who might not be playing yet but is interested.

End of an Era literally ended a game that we could no longer play.

This is very different from this spoiler, which spoils events that a new player will be able to - in fact required to - eventually play through. When Heavensward hits, new players won't magically be skipping the 2.0-2.55 events the same way that functionally we all were forced to skip 1.0s if we weren't there for it.

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Did you missed the part where Japanese game openings are usually filled with spoilers? In this case it only shows a glimps at a feature in heavensward (flying ships and floating isles) and a glimpse at some spoilers regarding the previous story.

Thats exceptionally light as far as spoilers go.

Why do I feel if they didn't mark it with "SPOILERS", he'd be on here with a similar argument about this?

Your silly, man.

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Originally Posted by Takfloyd

I cannot believe that people are still claiming these scenarios to be identical after three people have already explained why they are not.

And arguing "opening" versus "trailer" is semantics and irrelevant.

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The point is sometimes spoilers do make new people interested.

In this case in my opinion, the spoiler isn't that huge for someone who has no clue about the game, it only is for people who do know the story.

You view this movie with story in mind, new people have no clue, and will probably only wonder what is going on with those characters, which is meant to create interest.

But opinions are opinions we are not all the same, what makes one excited will ruin the fun of the other.

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Originally Posted by Cedane

Why do I feel if they didn't mark it with "SPOILERS", he'd be on here with a similar argument about this?

Your silly, man.

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they put a warning right at the beginning of the video he is upset about that specifically says it contains spoilers. but he continues to act like it's the only thing he could have used to attract his friends.
I would use the end of an era trailer and the heavensward teaser that doesn't contain the spoilers...then again I try to use common sense in this case, dopey me.

Just gonna leave this here and get back to eating my popcorn. For the record, Tiggy, let's be completely insane and disagree with the OP about his opinion.

It has no emotional weight or value to anyone who has not experienced the 2.0-2.55 storyline.

Guy with and axe in the snow? Who is pink midget?
Oh she died!?
Oh big guy lost his arm? Is he bad?
Midget smirking. Is he bad?
Guy with axe running away. Guy with axe getting shit burnt by dragons.
Oh spikey guy with lance.
Oh axe man goes and gets a lance. Oh hey airship.
Oh shit more dragons.

OOOH AXE MAN LOOKS COOL IN NEW GEAR AND WITH SPIKEY LANCE FRIENDS.

Hurrrr.

My point is it only spoils people that are well into the story but not finished - which is exactly why it comes with a spoiler warning. It's great action packed advertisement to someone with no knowledge of the game.

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Originally Posted by Zaft

I'm glad that the official forums continues to prove that it will cry about literally anything. Here I was worried there might be SOMETHING that would be universally enjoyed.

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What? People can actually enjoy this game? What nonsense are you going on about!?

Now excuse me while I go hop and skip over here in this field of flowers while people start calling me out on doing it wrong.

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Originally Posted by Dhex

It has no emotional weight or value to anyone who has not experienced the 2.0-2.55 storyline.

Guy with and axe in the snow? Who is pink midget?
Oh she died!?
Oh big guy lost his arm? Is he bad?
Midget smirking. Is he bad?
Guy with axe running away. Guy with axe getting shit burnt by dragons.
Oh spikey guy with lance.
Oh axe man goes and gets a lance. Oh hey airship.
Oh shit more dragons.

OOOH AXE MAN LOOKS COOL IN NEW GEAR AND WITH SPIKEY LANCE FRIENDS.

Hurrrr.

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Originally Posted by Tiggy

You're right it is semantic and irrelevant so stop making a big deal about that semantic until someone like me points it out. You can't use it for your arguement and then against it whenever it's convenient for you at the moment.

Additionally, the 2.0 opening and 3.0 opening are clearly doing the same thing and I don't give a crap what other people have said about it. They, like you, are not the lord of all things accurate. Parading their OPINIONS in front of me won't make me back down from what I know to be true. That being that the 2.0 opening cinematic blatantly showed the last bits of story line of the 1.0 era, (Literally it was the exact final cutscene verbatim with just another minute or so added on to the end) and the 3.0 opening has CG animated versions of several parts of the final cut scenes. Both had obvious and clear details of the final story moments from the previous version. Both showed them to potentially players who had never seen it before that moment and therefore it was a spoiler to them. To me and to many that's obviously the same exact concept both times. You can parade a million people in front of me that agree with you, but not one would prevent me from using my brain to see the obvious truth. Only weak men and women are swayed by popular opinion over their own intelligence. The way you exasperatingly act like you can't believe everyone else's opinions speaks more about you than me. It's the final act of someone finding themselves on the wrong side of public opinion. Struggling to maintain relevance by insulting those who disagree.

If you want people to take you seriously in this thread you can not continue to ignore the obvious right in front of you. You can not rely on "other people" to prove your point for you. Assuming that because they agree with you that you are more accurate is a logical fallacy. Look it up. http://www.logicalfallacies.info/rel...to-popularity/

Stop acting so shocked that people don't agree with you. Your incredulousness doesn't make you come across as more correct either. Makes you seem desperate for approval.

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1: I was the first one to explain why your comparison is completely wrong.

2: I never relied on other people to prove anything whatsoever, on the contrary, I am the only one arguing my case.

3: You hypocritically purport that weak men rely on popular opinion, then use the popular opinion of people in this thread to back your supposed argument.

4: Using the "logical fallacy" list, and especially, using it incorrectly, is a certain sign that you cannot hold your own in the argument.

I think we're done here. It has been a pleasant exercise in dismantling poorly construed arguments, but the same ones keep popping up and there's no point to repeating myself any further. Sorry for any loss of hair my discourse may have wrought, and good night.

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Originally Posted by Takfloyd

I think we're done here. It has been a pleasant exercise in dismantling poorly construed arguments, but the same ones keep popping up and there's no point to repeating myself any further. Sorry for any loss of hair my discourse may have wrought, and good night.

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sorry dude but the only poorly construed argument I saw in this whole thread was yours. so in light of that I'll just leave this meme pic here.
http://www.quickmeme.com/img/71/71c3...70cbd924ed.jpg

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Originally Posted by Takfloyd

2: I never relied on other people to prove anything whatsoever, on the contrary, I am the only one arguing my case.

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Originally Posted by Takfloyd

Also again a high five to SpookyGhost for being the one sane man here. To be honest, I should have expected the majority reaction to this thread since this is an MMO and MMO playerbases aren't exactly known for caring about story, spoilers or the developer's business strategy. These are the same people who populate a game where most people will actually tell you to skip cutscenes the first time in a dungeon after all.

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Didn't rely on anyone, riiiiiiight. Ok then.