Moonlet Earring :( i want one!

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Originally Posted by LlenCoram

And to that I'll continue saying no. You don't deserve it.

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I was too poor to afford to subscribe when 1.0 was out (although I got the game as a present, so I played it for 30 days)... Now I'm old enough to work, why should I be punished because I wasn't old enough for something? If they ever considered re-releasing the items, I'd be able to hopefully learn the lore behind them through quests or something, so I too could experience a bit of 1.0.

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Originally Posted by LlenCoram

It makes me sad when I hear new players call Louisoix "that old guy,"

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I could barely play the game so I never got to meet him in game. however the video of "end of an Era" made me immediately think of Maat from FFXI. an NPC which I respected yet hated at the same time. a teacher and a defiant being. the look on the face of Louisoix when confronted with Bahamut was one of Defiance. and I immediately wished I could have experienced his story. made me feel sad that I missed it.

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Originally Posted by LlenCoram

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To be honest, the elitist in you better start kissing the butts of every player who joined in 2.0. If the game population didn't recover from the unholy mess 1.0 was, you wouldn't have that earring, tattoo, and horn AT ALL to enjoy. You owe a lot to 2.0 players for saving the game from oblivion.

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Originally Posted by Velox

To be honest, the elitist in you better start kissing the butts of every player who joined in 2.0. If the game population didn't recover from the unholy mess 1.0 was, you wouldn't have that earring, tattoo, and horn AT ALL to enjoy. You owe a lot to 2.0 players for saving the game from oblivion.

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please stop with the 1.0 vs 2.0 BS. it isn't cool and it isn't right. 2.0 players didn't save the game from oblivion, Yoshi-P and his dev team did. you 2.0 players should in that case kiss his butt for the game we have now.

As a 1.0 player, my opinion on the matter is as follows, not everything that occurred in 1.0 has to be locked away. There were specific items that were promised as part of the legacy campaign and those should stay exclusive to legacy players. Everything else imo is fair game as long as it stays within the lore. If the team decided to come up with an event that made sense to give out their earrings, fine, it is an asset that the devs created, did not promise as an exclusive to anybody, and as such, they should be able to do what they please with it. No one is better or worse for playing or not playing a game.

I am a legacy player that almost got the dalamud horn. I got the fight down to the last few percent so many times. I was gutted I couldn't get it. At the time I found it nearly impossible to get parties. I remember standing in uldah shouting for hours (yeah for pf & df) would love a chance to go back and finish that fight & finally get it.

Guys. Any 1.0 cosmetic item - retainer venture rewards. Can be rare enough (see Gysahl Ring), and can totally fit the lore to have the retainer find it in the mud somewhere deep in the Twelveswood, for example and picking up ans bringing it home because it looked curious enough.

I am not a Legacy player.

I totally agree that Legacy items should NOT be available anymore by any means, especially not in a cash shop! He is right, we don't deserve them because we weren't there and didn't earn them. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that, we are not entitled to the item or even a recolored version simply because "we want it" (and I definitely do want a couple Legacy items). If its not your fault you couldn't earn it, it doesn't change the fact that you did not earn it. Sorry, it sucks you didn't have the opportunity to earn those items but again the fact remains you didn't earn them. So just like me, you don't deserve them.

In my mind, getting offended simply because someone said "you don't deserve" something is a little bit like "special snowflakeism"(that's not a word). If you feel you do deserve it even though you didn't earn it, that's entitlement. If you don't feel you necessarily deserve it, then the statement was true and relevant to the discussion and therefore you have absolutely no reason to feel offended.

Don't read this in a rude tone, its not written that way. Just my 2 cents on the topic.

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Originally Posted by Elmeron

I was too poor to afford to subscribe when 1.0 was out (although I got the game as a present, so I played it for 30 days)... Now I'm old enough to work, why should I be punished because I wasn't old enough for something? If they ever considered re-releasing the items, I'd be able to hopefully learn the lore behind them through quests or something, so I too could experience a bit of 1.0.

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the event for the moonlet earring was still within the 15 months long "extended free month". Sub didn't start before january 2012.

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Originally Posted by Dyne_Fellpool

I totally agree that Legacy items should NOT be available anymore by any means, especially not in a cash shop! He is right, we don't deserve them because we weren't there and didn't earn them. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that, we are not entitled to the item or even a recolored version simply because "we want it" (and I definitely do want a couple Legacy items). If its not your fault you couldn't earn it, it doesn't change the fact that you did not earn it. Sorry, it sucks you didn't have the opportunity to earn those items but again the fact remains you didn't earn them. So just like me, you don't deserve them.

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This sentiment goes both ways, however. Legacy players and 1.0 players can't lay claim to items that were never guaranteed exclusively to them through the legacy campaign. The Moonlet Earrings were given out during an event while 1.0 was still free. Nobody "earned" them by sticking around and paying a subscription. All things from 1.0 do not fall under the legacy umbrella and frankly, a paying customer can and should ask for them if they don't and they want them. He is wrong. He is trying to say that items that were never guaranteed to be exclusively his/hers, somehow fall under perks guaranteed through the legacy campaign which is just a complete overreach. None us are entitled to anything beyond agreements/promises made with the dev team.

Everyone really just needs to stay in their lanes when it comes to 1.0 assets. 2.0 players are not guaranteed a chance to obtain legacy Perks. 1.0/Legacy players are not guaranteed exclusivity over all 1.0 assets not promised to them as perks.

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Originally Posted by Omegakiyohime

This sentiment goes both ways, however. Legacy players and 1.0 players can't lay claim to items that were never guaranteed exclusively to them through the legacy campaign. The Moonlet Earrings were given out during an event while 1.0 was still free. Nobody "earned" them by sticking around and paying a subscription. All things from 1.0 do not fall under the legacy umbrella and frankly, a paying customer can and should ask for them if they don't and they want them. He is wrong. He is trying to say that items that were never guaranteed to be exclusively his/hers, somehow fall under perks guaranteed through the legacy campaign which is just a complete overreach. None us are entitled to anything beyond agreements/promises made with the dev team.

Everyone really just needs to stay in their lanes when it comes to 1.0 assets. 2.0 players are not guaranteed a chance to obtain legacy Perks. 1.0/Legacy players are not guaranteed exclusivity over all 1.0 assets not promised to them as perks.

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I can agree with this, for the most part.

As a legacy player, I'd be fine with the earring coming back. It was just an event item like most others. I'm quite surprised it's not in the cash shop, tbh.
The Dalamud horn and White Ravens though, probably shouldn't. They were for very specific once in a lifetime moments. I don't even know why these are a subject of discussion.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

As a legacy player, I'd be fine with the earring coming back. It was just an event item like most others. I'm quite surprised it's not in the cash shop, tbh.

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It come only in the cash shop if the event happened on ARR and is already 1 year old (the moment the event happen again the next time).
Because "The Curse of Dalamud" was not a seasonal event, that happen every year, this will not happen.

What can happen is retainer venture, rare item in unhidden maps or a new event (but without cash shop)
Or a boss drop if we get a giant mice as a boss ^^

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Originally Posted by Felis

It come only in the cash shop if the event happened on ARR and is already 1 year old (he moment the event happen again the next time).
Because "The Curse of Dalamud" was not a seasonal event, that happen every year, this will not happen.

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There are 1.0 event items available in the cash shop.

I am a legacy player, while never played much 1.xx.
I became legacy because I wanted ffxiv to succeed.

I just hated the terrible interface, that felt so unresponsive.

I really would love to play 1.0 with a good UI as we have now. I would love to play the old story.
I know a lot of people who wish they would have known ffxiv back then.

I wish we could travel to the past and relive the old quests and battles even if we still wouldn't get the old items.

I never understood the special treatment. Mmorpgs should be about community, having fun together, content that make you different because you played in different time I dislike greatly.
But I always hated special event items in Mmorpgs.
My legacy chocobo, I wish my friends could get it too, if the subbed for a certain amount of time.

I really dislike that they can't have the same things.

I have great dislike for being special. My reward is that I still enjoy playing this game with many people.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

There are 1.0 event items available in the cash shop.

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1.0 event items that was obtainable in ARR seasonal events that happened 12 months ago or longer
Moonlet Earring was not obtainable in a ARR seasonel event until now, so it is not in the cash shop

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Originally Posted by Felis

1.0 event items that was obtainable in ARR seasonal events that happened 12 months ago or longer
Moonlet Earring was not obtainable in a ARR seasonel event until now, so it is not in the cash shop

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I understand the pattern you're seeing.
That isn't to say they can't just add it anyway.

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Originally Posted by Dyne_Fellpool

I can agree with this, for the most part.

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Yeah, this sounds totally fair.

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Originally Posted by Gramul

Why on earth would you want it cash shop then?

Why not have a fun quest or in game reward?

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Because I like the cash shop. *round of gasps*

They can do either, obviously. But more likely I see a recolor as a cash shop item as opposed to a quest that gives me a blue robotic unicorn horn.

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Originally Posted by Parodine

Because I like the cash shop. *round of gasps*

They can do either, obviously. But more likely I see a recolor as a cash shop item as opposed to a quest that gives me a blue robotic unicorn horn.

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I'd much prefer actually playing the game to get it as opposed to just buying it. Just buying it isn't nearly as fun or engaging.
I think that's my main issue with vanity DLC in general. At a point, you may as well just have a free to play doll up game with all the fancy clothes as DLC. You know, like Maple Story.
But whatever, I don't want to ramble.

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Originally Posted by Gramul

I'd much prefer actually playing the game to get it as opposed to just buying it. Just buying it isn't nearly as fun or engaging.
I think that's my main issue with vanity DLC in general. At a point, you may as well just have a free to play doll up game with all the fancy clothes as DLC. You know, like Maple Story.
But whatever, I don't want to ramble.

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I don't understand everyone wanting items in the cash shop either. I'd rather earn it somehow in the game then just forking out $5-$10 for something. Plus, why does anyone want to pay MORE money when we already give them $15 a month for a sub. I play games for the pretty vanity, and I hate seeing everything stuck behind a pay wall. I even stopped playing for a while after they started that since it disgusted me. Only started playing again after 6 months of un-sub cause my friends begged me to come back to the static party.

Anyway, I feel like only certain items should be exclusive. Items like clothing that was just around in 1.0 that has no real significance, not sure why people are laying claim to it. It should be able to be made again. Event items I think it depends on the event, but the events could be redone in 2.0 with a same reward or recolor.only thing legacy people have claim to is their tattoo and their chocobo. Everything else should be free game as long as it is introduced into ARR appropriately.

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Originally Posted by Gramul

I'd much prefer actually playing the game to get it as opposed to just buying it. Just buying it isn't nearly as fun or engaging.
I think that's my main issue with vanity DLC in general. At a point, you may as well just have a free to play doll up game with all the fancy clothes as DLC. You know, like Maple Story.
But whatever, I don't want to ramble.

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We're running out of moons to cause us trouble, you know.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

We're running out of moons to cause us trouble, you know.

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Wouldn't have to be the moon.
Any large spherical earning with a bit of flourish could work.
http://images.bluegartr.com/bucket/g...2cc6cc8077.jpg
Like, make it Levi and a black pearl or something.

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Originally Posted by Felis

the event for the moonlet earring was still within the 15 months long "extended free month". Sub didn't start before january 2012.

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Yeah, before I had a computer that could handle FFXIV 1.0's derpyness, after I didn't, so it was either lag horribly and not be able to really even do anything because of said lag, or wait for 2.0 (least now I built my own PC so I can enjoy the game in max settings, now waiting for higher textures because the ones we have are... Not good, is the politest thing I can say about them I guess).

I'm of the opinion that exclusive things should remain exclusive, that special event items whether from 1.0 or 2.0 should be left in the past and let the devs concentrate on new special event content to add to the game over time, and that definitely any items that were a part of the legacy campaign or any official campaign or contest or purchase or whatever should be left alone as well, though SE does have the right to do what they want within their game whether I or anyone else disagrees with it or not. They don't owe anyone anything. But I just really don't like the phrase "you don't deserve it".

Not a legacy, but I have been around for some of the 2.0 special events and not to devalue the time and effort that players put into obtaining the exclusives from events like those but what exactly did we do to get those items? Tagged a couple npcs and downed a few fates. And granted that I had to rush my way to 45 so I could complete the Lightning quests, gained a few levels, tagged a couple npcs and downed a few fates. Things that players do in this game every day, with the exception that they aren't able to earn exclusive rewards for it now. You got it in 1.0? Good, now think about what exactly you had to do to get that item (fate, instanced dungeon, questline or whatever), and then consider how available that activity is today, and add to your list that you happened to enjoy a game enough to stick around and play it despite the many faults it had. There's nobody here who "deserve" things anymore than the next person does, you were just lucky enough to be in the right place at the right time to get it.

When you pay for a failing game, resulting in the developers rewarding you for helping them in their time of need, the ego tends to enlarge a little when the subject is brought up.
It's not so much about killing something or other in an event some time 4 years ago. It was more of the fact that without legacy players support, the game wouldn't continue to exist at all.

That being said, the earring in question isn't regarding the legacy campaign at all.

Moonlet was one of the few items I got for playing the bad game. Please just let me have my few shinies for subbing when the game was awful. Maybe you'll get garbage for playing before HW and you can show off to the plebs of the future.
http://puu.sh/gThRF/a28c72bb2a.jpg

Why yes, I AM a special little snowflake!

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Originally Posted by Canadane

It's not so much about killing something or other in an event some time 4 years ago. It was more of the fact that without legacy players support, the game wouldn't continue to exist at all.

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This is a little off topic, but yes, ARR would be here without legacy support. The campaign itself was announced after ARR was revealed. It wasn't an instance of SE raising enough money from legacy players to make the game. It was an instance of SE deciding to remake the game and working on the game before they started charging anyone a dime. If anything, ARR can be attributed to the fact that SE is a big enough company to fund an entire remake and them wanting a next gen MMO on the market. Legacy money more than likely went toward to continued development of 1.0 as they had already been working on ARR for year or so before they started charging folks and there were many substantial patches and changes to 1.0(~ 1.23 etc) made during that time.

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Originally Posted by Elmeron

I was too poor to afford to subscribe when 1.0 was out (although I got the game as a present, so I played it for 30 days)... Now I'm old enough to work, why should I be punished

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Punished?? The punishment was playing 1.0 lol

The people who have Legacy, Moon Earrings, Gobbues etc. MORE than earned them. That is a fact. You have no idea.

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Originally Posted by Omegakiyohime

This is a little off topic, but yes, ARR would be here without legacy support.

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Semantics. The fact is when 1.0 went subscription, if no one had paid, it would have died. 2.0 only exists because of those who decided to sub to 1.0 - Legacy or not.

I don't remember that earring at all. But then I missed a lot of 1.0 events because the game wasn't that great so I didn't play it often. Had I known what was going to be exclusive I would have gone out of my way to get more items/titles.

For everyone saying, "Well, you don't deserve anything, you should have played 1.0, nyeh!"... Well, a whole hell of a lot more of us would have been playing along in 1.0, "suffering" right alongside you, through such an "awful" game, if SE had fulfilled their promise and released 1.0 on the PlayStation 3 as advertised! Hell, if I looked long enough through my Reciept Drawer of Holding, I bet I could find my GameStop preorder slip for it!

SO.

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The Moonlet erring is a one-time Event "Hunting Moon" back in early of 1.0 so the player who join in at later 1.0 will not have it and some of the 1.0 player remove it (throw it away). So yeah, you don't deserver it and stop ask for our back tattoo :D.

Link for the event

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Originally Posted by Quesse

Semantics. The fact is when 1.0 went subscription, if no one had paid, it would have died. 2.0 only exists because of those who decided to sub to 1.0 - Legacy or not.

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But it's not an argument of semantics. 1.23 only existed because of people that paid, legacy or not. 2.0 was already on the way when people were being charged. To say that people subscribing to 1.0 made SE decide to make 2.0 is just rewriting history and it is ignoring the fact that ARR had been in development for a year before anyone was charged and that 1.0 was still being serviced/worked on. There's no way that the subscriptions of 1.0 players could sustain the development of 2 games (2.0 and 1.0) and the upkeep of one (1.0), when it couldn't even sustain the development of 1. SE didn't make or fund a new game because people started paying for a game that they couldn't get people to play while it was free. The lack of 1.0 subscriptions would have resulted in one thing, the earlier sunsetting of 1.0.

I don't know how I missed out on so many 1.0 events. Guess I was more in to playing XI that i didn't log in FFXIV except for once a month.

I want one two, there are a lot of things from 1.0 that i would like, and i feel like an idiot for not trying the game now.

but i would be happier if they were to stay with the 1.0 players. those are their memories after all, the good and the bad. the meaning and significance i feel would be lost on me if i were to have them.

I played A LOT of 1.0 but I somehow missed this event.. I'd totally be okay with having a way to obtain it in ARR. >w>

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Originally Posted by Shneibel

The Moonlet erring is a one-time Event "Hunting Moon" back in early of 1.0 so the player who join in at later 1.0 will not have it and some of the 1.0 player remove it (throw it away). So yeah, you don't deserver it and stop ask for our back tattoo :D.

Link for the event

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I was in 1.0 and never got any reward for it and I don't really care, it'd be nice, but apparently only some FFXIV 1.0 players get the rewards and those who didn't play long enough in 1.0 (more like suffered long enough...) don't get jack shit. I don't really know what I was getting at here... Either way your attitude is sucky.

Who the hell even cares, like really, if it makes other people happy, shouldn't that be enough for everyone? Or are you all really that petty and selfish? I'm only saying this because the huge fuss is over some fashion baubles. Like who even gives a flying monkey's shit over this? Apparently some do...

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Originally Posted by Elmeron

I was in 1.0 and never got any reward for it and I don't really care, it'd be nice, but apparently only some FFXIV 1.0 players get the rewards and those who didn't play long enough in 1.0 (more like suffered long enough...) don't get jack shit. I don't really know what I was getting at here... Either way your attitude is sucky.

Who the hell even cares, like really, if it makes other people happy, shouldn't that be enough for everyone? Or are you all really that petty and selfish? I'm only saying this because the huge fuss is over some fashion baubles. Like who even gives a flying monkey's shit over this? Apparently some do...

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Yeah, I am very sorry for being sucky, petty & selfish for having different opinion than your. You make me sad and I have decide to hit my head to the pillow and suicide.

Despite of all the "I don't care" you throw out, I believe all the red mark show you do care enough and you want the earring, that s why you are here to support it.

I am also 1.0 player and I play since....not lucky enough to get into beta but I did pre-order the CE box and play the game the first day it goes live. I don't have the dalamud horn. I quit before beat Garuda so I have never finish the 1.0 story line. DO I ask for the horn ? no, it is because I don't deserves it, I was not there to finish the 1.0 story line.

The Dalamud Horn is proof the player have clear 1.0 story line
The Moonlet Earring are proof the player had joined that one-time event
The legacy Tattoo is proof the character had paid (you don't have to play, just paid and you get it) at the campaign
The Gobbue...ppl do have one similar so they will not complain or request this one.

IF you are not there to do the special one-time event or finish the 1.0 story line, you don't deserves it. You can take the Moonlet Earring like the Lightning event, it is one time and it should not come back ever again, because FFXIII- Lightning Return promotion is over

ps: it appear having a smile at the end of an argument cannot stop the negative comment

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Originally Posted by Elmeron

Or are you all really that petty and selfish?

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That depends. Is everyone else petty and jealous?

I certainly hope not. And I certainly don't believe most 'new' players are.


They want to make a recolor, by all means, let them. But understand that things like this where meant to reward players for experiencing those events as they played out. A hallmark of the times in which they occurred. That's part of what makes them unique. They carry a little more weight being connected to the games development from 1.0 to ARR.

If people did not participate in these specific events, why should they get these specific participation trophies?