What I'd really like to see is the option to bid on any available houses of a certain size. For example, if there are 3 mediums available on my server the menu should allow me to check a box next to all 3 of them since I don't care about location. That way I'd at least feel like I have a chance instead of pointlessly going through the motions every bidding round.
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09-21-2023, 12:29 AMAcesfool
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09-21-2023, 05:41 AMArytei
It's pretty disheartening being on Balmung and more populated realms. Nearly every bidding cycle it's 40+ people bidding on smalls. I've seen quite a few times where newly boosted sprouts with only one class at 80 have won houses over people who have been playing since legacy, 2.0, and beyond. It's a system that's still being abused in a way that it isn't intended to be. The whole "just transfer realms" isn't an answer either, most of us have been on Balmung and such since the beginning, it's home for us. Like the OP I've entered every housing cycle and have yet to win one. Call it bad luck or whatever, but something needs to be changed. Lock character creation/transfer down, improve it so that you can't boost a character and immediately bid on a house to better your odds, open more wards for higher pop realms. As it is now, it's not acceptable.
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09-21-2023, 12:36 PMJojoyaThe reason that Balmung and Mateus get taken off Congestion now is because Balmung and Mateus players complain how stale things are when there are no new players joining the population.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arytei
Many of us have mentioned the same thing about making the number of wards dynamic based on world population but evidently SE has built the world servers to be mirrors of each other (other than the actual players) down to the number of wards. They're not going to add 6 new wards to every world when only a small number of worlds would fill those wards.
The housing system has never been acceptable so nothing new there. It's been flawed from the start but rather than leaving the original wards to the FC only design and adding a new system for personal, they've been trying to make the FC design work for both. -
09-22-2023, 06:43 PMSolowingThat is going to work against you. Lets say they do this. The amount of bids are going to skyrocket on every plot because you lowered the barrier to entry even further and its even easier to bid on plots. Sure that option works for you..But if the option was only implemented for you and noone else...Quote:
Originally Posted by Acesfool
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09-22-2023, 08:45 PMlenniti wouldn't mine bidding on more then one plot , since your chance of winning is like 1% anyway and you have to wait a week to get the results unless you what to be the last bidder , and if you got the Gil to bid on that many housesQuote:
Originally Posted by Solowing
but allowing everyone to have a chance the reason they put the lotto system in first place so everyone can bid on a plot with out lose out because they have real lives to attend to , with the clicking option in one week i could be clicking on up to 4 to 5 plots and lose my mine every time i lost. now we got this system that you got to make sure you want this plot and you cant cancel if you bid on it -
09-23-2023, 09:00 AMSolowingYour chances are going to drop to 0.50% If you thought your chances were bad now....We went from a system of first come first serve. To a system of placard clickers competing with about 3-5 players willing to put up with that annoying process to get one for up to 16 hours a day. To now compete against anyone who wants that specific house which can 0-60+ bids. To then having to bid literally against an entire server if they are aware and wanting a house.... At this point you are actually making the situation worse for yourself as you are asking to potentially be bidding against 500+ players per house.Quote:
Originally Posted by lennit
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09-23-2023, 12:17 PMlenniti did say i liked the clicking system more , but this system having a chance to bid on more i would like to , even if was 0.50% that 0.50% on multiple houses , if you have the gil , instead on just 1 plot for 1%Quote:
Originally Posted by Solowing
got to be in it to win it
but it doesn't matter to me what ever system you want or get .. i got 3 house and i dont care any more -
10-04-2023, 05:11 AMAyan_Calvesse
I got my small under the clicking system and still think it was better then the lotto because it kept fair-weather players out. That said I would be fine with allowing you to put in as many bids on a house that you can afford....so if you want 10 bids on a 50m large...pay 500m. If you win you lose 500m - would go a long way to helping dump gil out of the economy.
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10-29-2023, 07:46 AMYuniko
This lottery housing Fluff... needs to stop
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10-30-2023, 06:13 AMNanaWilohI still remeber Balmung lock down years back. RP community thought it was the end of the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yuniko
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10-30-2023, 08:14 AMStormpeaksPeople asked for that if you remember, because "muh fairness"Quote:
Originally Posted by Yuniko
"we want everyone to be on an equal level"
well now we got it, you dont have the placard bots anymore but you have to wait 5 days for people to bid, 4 days for results, which is basically 3 chances to win a month
Instead of 10-20 bots et a placard, you "fight" for an ""equal"" bid agaisnt hundreds of people, how fun and exciting, basically a waiting simulator but not for a few hours at a placard, but for 9 days, such excitement ! -
10-30-2023, 07:51 PMSolowingthe players got exactly what they asked for. They even made it more fair by making the players commit to bidding on a house so only one bid at time can be placed, so what's the problem here? As long as you hit the Gil requirement to buy a house, anybody can participate. Wasn't that the point? Didn't players want to level the playing field by not losing out to some guy who has 16 hours a day to wait for a house to open up?Quote:
Originally Posted by Yuniko
What about the concerns about the players who can't play every day or travel some days and can't access the game sometimes? The way the system is currently set is considerate for that group of people because you just need to be on one day out of a week to make a bid, you wait a week, you have three four days to claim.
Those players who wanted these people to be accounted for got their wish, the ramifications of that were competition for a plot went way up and it takes longer to win a plot. The days of walking up to a plot and just claiming it are done, and the players were the one who asked for that to happen -
10-31-2023, 12:16 AMStormpeakstbf I wish I could disagree, people yelled and screamed about how bots were "breaking housing" and how lottery would be the "savior of housing"Quote:
Originally Posted by Solowing
they got their wish, now they get to be in a waiting period 9 days every cycle so that everyone get their "fair" chance at getting a house, which also massively increased the amount of bids, they basically asked to keep losing over and over again and have a very minimal chance of winning, they really doomed themsleves with that one, but not only themselves, everyone with it too. -
10-31-2023, 10:44 AMYuniko
:) i'm glad we can see eye to eye on things.
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10-31-2023, 10:45 AMYunikoQuote:
Originally Posted by Solowing
Like i'm not arguing, nor naysaying. I just said it needed to stop.
I was not part of those who screamed and yelled at bots. But the lottery is not better either.
I just wish we could find a happy medium amongst everything. NO im not arguing or fighting... please don't think that. I just want a happy medium between evryone. -
10-31-2023, 06:14 PMSolowingIf everyone having an equal chance of getting a house isnt a happy medium, then what is?Quote:
Originally Posted by Yuniko
IMO this was the happy medium.
Just some thought that a lottery would increase their chance, but didn't account for the increased accessibility working against them. -
10-31-2023, 08:04 PMReinhaYup, here are just a few threads from 2020-2021 asking for a lottery. It's not an exaggeration to say players asked for this. It was a very common request back then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solowing
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...House-Raffling
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...ate-of-Housing
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...ighted-Lottery
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...isition-Method
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...m-be-that-hard
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...s-Up-For-Grabs
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...ds-to-be-fixed
People were told it would be harder to win in a lottery but they didn't listen, because they wanted a fair system. To now ask for improved odds at the expense of others is hypocrisy at its finest and that's why I'm against any changes that would make things less fair. If people wanted better odds for themselves they should have opposed the lottery when it mattered. -
10-31-2023, 09:33 PMYunikoQuote:
Originally Posted by Reinha
Oh i agree. I'm not saying im against ANY of this. I'm just saying it's abit laughable. I'm not attacking anyone. All i said was this lottery is getting out of hand, and sure people did ask for this, so we got what we deserved. I'll just be quiet then. :/ sorry for expressing my toughts. -
10-31-2023, 10:59 PMEradenMao was never interested in better odds for Mao. Mao was ONLY interested in fair system. Is why Mao was and still is strong proponent for Lottery. Mao knew Mao chances would be worse with Lottery and Mao accepted that. Mao wanted fair system for ALL.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reinha
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10-31-2023, 11:08 PMKhryseis_Astra*hugs* don’t be sorry! It’s only natural to be frustrated at a frustrating system.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yuniko
Just because it’s marginally better than placard clicking, by not forcing you to camp a plot anymore, it’s still just as nerve-wracking. I wasn’t posting on the forums back then, so I definitely didn’t ask for this. I’m still salty instant-relo is gone. Especially since relo and demo are the only things that open up new supply.
As long as there aren’t enough houses for players there’s always going to be some people left out. I’m happy with the plot I got (after 9 months of trying!), but my husband is still trying for an Empy large, and the odds of that happening are about 1/150 if past lottos are any indication.
Have you heard about the Housing Mirage? They’re supposed to be working on letting us change the interior layouts of the houses. So in theory, you could have a small outside with a medium or large inside. If that would be something you could be happy with, try to find yourself a nice small, and then you can make the inside bigger in about a year or so if you can’t luck into a medium or large by then! :) -
11-01-2023, 12:32 AMYunikoQuote:
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11-01-2023, 12:41 AMKhryseis_AstraSomething they were talking about, can’t remember if it was an interview or one of the panels at Fanfest. But it could be really cool if they pull it off… and better yet, create even more interior layouts to choose from! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Yuniko
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11-01-2023, 12:52 AMYunikoOh that would be amazing. Cause that would also increase the intrest in smalls, not just large and mediums. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Khryseis_Astra
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11-05-2023, 07:21 AMYunikoCould you tell me more perhaps? <3Quote:
Originally Posted by Khryseis_Astra
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11-05-2023, 09:30 AMKhryseis_AstraI don’t think there’s a lot of detail on it yet, just something they happened to mention at some point. :) Another thing mentioned was removal of the inside pillars.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yuniko
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11-05-2023, 10:28 PMJojoyaThere doesn't seem to be that much information that was shared other than it was something they are working on. YoshiP talked about it during the live reading (JP only) of the 6.5 patch notes back on October 2nd. If you are fluent in JP or have a friend who is, the VOD should be available on FFXIV's YouTube and/or Twitch channels.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yuniko
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11-05-2023, 10:50 PMYunikoQuote:
Originally Posted by Jojoya
Ok! thank you so much dear! *hugs warmly* -
11-05-2023, 11:11 PMYunikoahh! alrighty! <3 thank you love! *snugs*Quote:
Originally Posted by Khryseis_Astra
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11-06-2023, 03:54 AMAyan_CalvesseI am curious as watching and reading leads me to believe we are looking at a "under the hood" housing system revamp.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jojoya
I suspect this ties in with Yoshi telling us they were looking at how to increase item limits in Vegas; because if Housing mirage did become a thing - 100 items for a large interior would be hilariously sparse. I suspect SE is looking at housing interiors entirely with regards to manipulation of both layout and limitation - which seems somewhat like a decent compromise as larges/mediums would still have exteriors that people would then commence complaining about. Ideally it would hopefully open the door to more interior layouts like the ever popular 1 floor "large" layout without a incredibly wasteful investment of lofts and partitions to block off 90% of the large to make a elaborate living space.
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11-09-2023, 08:51 PMYuniko
I sincerly hope this MIrage system is gonna be great!
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11-09-2023, 11:29 PMKhryseis_AstraI’m really hoping they’re investing some time and effort in doing different layouts like that. I have a small and that’s my preferred size; I like the yard layout and the interior floor and stair layout. What I’m hoping for is an attic (essentially the same size as my ground floor just adding a stairwell to the other side of the house) or the ability to add FC like extra rooms.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ayan_Calvesse
Along with talk of removing pillars, I’ve heard some people hoping that they would open it up to being able to change the position of staircases or maybe offer different layouts with the stairs in different places. Honestly that’s what I hated the most about mediums… if the inside had the staircases similar to the smalls it would be a lot easier to work with!
I know I’m a dreamer lol but since the insides are instanced, they have a lot more they can do with them. Really hopeful that they see the desire for more variety and customization here… -
11-10-2023, 12:01 AMKhryseis_AstraYou should try to find a small you like to bid on in preparation! :) Or at least to have something til you manage to get something bigger.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yuniko
There’s a record number of 10 mediums in this round on Bryn, and already climbing up into the 20s for bids on each of them on day 2! It’s so hard to get anything in this lotto on Crystal, but having something would be better than being homeless, especially if the mirage ends up being as good as we hope it can be. I mean, even if they just go with the existing interior layouts and call it a day, that’s something! -
11-10-2023, 01:37 AMJojoyaHe told us a few months before Housing Mirage was mentioned that we would be getting the item limits increased in Dawntrail. Housing Mirage is still a work in progress that they haven't committed to implementing (but I doubt it would have been mentioned if they weren't fairly confident they can deliver).Quote:
Originally Posted by Ayan_Calvesse
It's still possible we'll get both at the same time but I wouldn't bet on it. If we do get Mirage, I strongly suspect that interior item limits will be tied to the interior size chosen and not the plot size.
There's still the question of what cost there will be to players for changing their interior size and if we'll be able to change them as often as we like or only one time after purchase. I doubt it is something we would be able to do for free.
I'd rather be given the option to design my own layout rather than rely on the developers to provide a handful of choices that may not suit what I have in mind. What if I wanted the staircases to upstairs and downstairs to be side by side or stacked to help create room divisions on the ground floor?Quote:
Originally Posted by Khryseis_Astra
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11-10-2023, 03:16 AMKhryseis_AstraOh for sure! :) Then I could do exactly what I’m picturing. But I’m trying to keep my expectations low even if my hopes are high! lol What I want isn’t even a really complicated design, but somehow I don’t feel like we’ll get that much customization, as much as I want it. And I’d definitely hope the item limit is dependent on size! Or if they go really crazy, they could just give us an insane 1000 item limit across the board, because hey, 90 didn’t break the island! lol I know, I dream!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jojoya
I’m hoping we’ll get some more details around JP Fanfest, if they can squeeze in some housing previews alongside the new caster class reveal and female Hrothgar. :D -
11-10-2023, 03:49 AMYunikoQuote:
Originally Posted by Khryseis_Astra
Yeah i've been trying for a multitudes of diffrent areas on Mateus, no luck! but not giving up hopes! <3 -
11-10-2023, 04:50 AMKhryseis_Astra*hugs* wishing you luck!Quote:
Originally Posted by Yuniko
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11-10-2023, 06:02 AMYunikoThank you love <3Quote:
Originally Posted by Khryseis_Astra
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11-12-2023, 08:05 AMThemarvin
there is half empty ward and there is wards with several plots open and some few... it would make no sense to add more, when the ressource is not used up yet.
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If this is about some few servers, that is already permitting to many players in, get on another server if housing is that important, there is no such thing as dedicated servers to this and that other than in them players mind. -
11-16-2023, 03:55 AMYuniko
So. Who's excited for Japan fan fest? :)
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11-16-2023, 08:18 AMJohncarterIx
i bid 23 times and lost every time houseing is broken