80% haste for melee jobs is plain BS.

[rog]

Before there was an 80% cap 99.9~ haste was theoretically possible.

No it was not. 25% ja+25% equip+43.75% magic = 93.75% cap.

[Yinnyth]

Just thought I'd spread the whining so people against PDT can see how broken their melee jobs are as well.



Logically you should not be able to reach even 50%, since you double your TP gain and damage output. Ever see a mage or pet job double their damage? (That is like -30 BP timer... twice todays cap).

For sake of balance, the cap should be 25% haste. That would make you do like 1.5 times the damage, which is still a large increase in damage compared to many other sources of damage than melee.

I don't particularly care if you make it 25% in either magic, gear, JA or make it like roughly 10 cap on each.

Of course this is only for balance. If you want to keep melee the superior DDs, and leave pet jobs and magic users behind, you can always keep the game unbalanced. Though then it would be nice with some other nice bonuses, like 100% PDT for the jobs who can't do enough damage to get party invites due to the haste system.

25% haste does not increase your damage by "like 1.5 times". It cuts your delay by 25%, so your delay becomes 3/4 what it once was, so your TP gain becomes the inverse which is 4/3, or 1.33333333333333 times.

Ultimately, that is irrelevant to the point so I shall put the logical fallacies aside. I fear you have outright closed your mind on this topic and no amount of reasoning is possible. However, I shall retain hope.

Damage taken -%, and haste +% are very similar. They both approach infinity at 100%. That is to say that PDT-% is ultimately measured in the attacks you can sustain, while haste+% is ultimately measured in attacks per second. At 100% haste, you would deliver infinite attacks per second. At 100 PDT, you can sustain infinite attacks.

100% is broken on either of those. Yes, even if it's for a neglected and underpowered job. Focus your efforts on the things about your job which actually need to be fixed. Two truths remain and both should have been fixed long ago: 100 PDT is possible on pets, and pet jobs are not nearly as strong as they should be.

[Leonlionheart]

LOLZ you don't get it, I"VE BEEN USING THIS FOR 5 MONTHS! I play BST for most everything. I know what it means. I know how effective it is. You don't have a clue and you refuse to educate yourself.

BSt CANNOT kill anything. just because it can't kill your pet doesn't mean you can kill it. And its PHYSICAL DAMAGE it doesn't mean the pet doesn't take damage. Magic does damage, DoTs do damage. Resheph's tarsal slam doesn't care if you have -pdt at all. it drops you down, then next hit kills your pet even at 100% pdt.
instant Death and doom abilities work just fine. I cannot remove status ailments easily from my pet.
Hate resets put NM's on the master all the time.
I guess it sounds stupid trying to explain algebra to a 1st grader who hardly has a grasp of addition and subtraction. Does that make algebra stupid?

Bst can get alot of red triggers by depending on support job. Length of time to kill an NM is a non-bst issue. by capping it at 80% you most likely only limit bst in a few fights and make the rest take longer.

Hold on, let me pull up a SS of Reward healing 1.9k HP and you can come back to me with the same argument...

Till then see: other thread.

[hiko]

give pets haste and they stop QQ

[RaenRyong]

LOLZ you don't get it, I"VE BEEN USING THIS FOR 5 MONTHS! I play BST for most everything. I know what it means. I know how effective it is. You don't have a clue and you refuse to educate yourself.

"If I can't do something, nobody can?"

BSt CANNOT kill anything. just because it can't kill your pet doesn't mean you can kill it. And its PHYSICAL DAMAGE it doesn't mean the pet doesn't take damage. Magic does damage, DoTs do damage. Resheph's tarsal slam doesn't care if you have -pdt at all. it drops you down, then next hit kills your pet even at 100% pdt.

Because A. so many mobs have a Throat Stab move B. you cannot heal your pet in any way C. you can't summon a new pet!

At risk of looking dumb, does the diremite even have any nonphysical moves? Surely Tarsal would just put you to low hp and then you'd be taking 0 damage from anything anyway...

instant Death and doom abilities work just fine. I cannot remove status ailments easily from my pet.
Hate resets put NM's on the master all the time.

The master makes a lot of hate and can't wear PDT gear?

I guess it sounds stupid trying to explain algebra to a 1st grader who hardly has a grasp of addition and subtraction. Does that make algebra stupid?

No - but apparently if you can't do a bit of math, nobody can.

[Arcon]

At risk of looking dumb, does the diremite even have any nonphysical moves? Surely Tarsal would just put you to low hp and then you'd be taking 0 damage from anything anyway...

Very nice observation, didn't even notice. This holds true for many mobs with such moves as well. Not sure about tonberries, how does Everyone's Grudge/Rancor work on pets? Same damage as on masters? Some of them cast magic though, so guess that's not always a solution. Still a nice catch. And of you have (groundless) low-HP-OCD, there's always Reward.

[Leonlionheart]

Very nice observation, didn't even notice. This holds true for many mobs with such moves as well. Not sure about tonberries, how does Everyone's Grudge/Rancor work on pets? Same damage as on masters? Some of them cast magic though, so guess that's not always a solution. Still a nice catch. And of you have (groundless) low-HP-OCD, there's always Reward.

Considering Everyone's Grudge is a magic BLU spell, I assume it's magic damage.

OFC it can do like 10 damage if you have no/low hate.

[Arcon]

Considering Everyone's Grudge is a magic BLU spell, I assume it's magic damage.

Yeah, I was just wondering if it depends on the master's Tonberry hate, since I doubt a pet has something like that.

[Aaralyn]

Wait, 80% is new cap? Only DD job I have is DNC, and it's not my main. So woosh, either way.

[rog]

Wait, 80% is new cap? Only DD job I have is DNC, and it's not my main. So woosh, either way.

Serious?


80% is a very olde cap. Iirc, was added 2-3 years ago? Or longer?