80% haste for melee jobs is plain BS.

[Malamasala]

Just thought I'd spread the whining so people against PDT can see how broken their melee jobs are as well.

That is, with 50% Haste, attacks rounds will occur twice as often. With 66% Haste, attack rounds will occur 3 times as often.

Logically you should not be able to reach even 50%, since you double your TP gain and damage output. Ever see a mage or pet job double their damage? (That is like -30 BP timer... twice todays cap).

For sake of balance, the cap should be 25% haste. That would make you do like 1.5 times the damage, which is still a large increase in damage compared to many other sources of damage than melee.

I don't particularly care if you make it 25% in either magic, gear, JA or make it like roughly 10 cap on each.

Of course this is only for balance. If you want to keep melee the superior DDs, and leave pet jobs and magic users behind, you can always keep the game unbalanced. Though then it would be nice with some other nice bonuses, like 100% PDT for the jobs who can't do enough damage to get party invites due to the haste system.

[Runespider]

Making silly posts like this only serve to put more of a spotlight on the bst problem, good job.

[GlobalVariable]

You know what? It is BS!...For poor cor and rng who get zero benefit from it on their ranged attacks.




Yeah, I went there. Don't take me to seriously if you didn't see the funny here folks. Also nearly anything and everything can be broken thanks to atma.

[RAIST]

Have to realize though, you need more than just haste...80% haste doesn't do you much good if all you're doing is whiffing faster. Then there is the hate control issue...sometimes it's not such a good idea to be swinging that fast on some jobs, other times it may be the best way to keep your hate when the mages are nuking the piss out of something.

Posts like this are getting a little old. So many situational setups that are actually needed now--sometimes they are the one thing that give the edge to certain jobs that actually makes them useful when they would otherwise be shunned. But, a small group will QQ and make a big fuss about it, and here comes the nerf bat...and back to the sidelines those jobs go.

[Arcon]

Making silly posts like this only serve to put more of a spotlight on the bst problem, good job.

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You don't seem to understand that Haste and PDT have the exact same underlying mechanic. The closer to 100% you get on either, the higher your gain is on an exponential scale.

80% haste (which is very hard to obtain for some jobs) multiplies your damage output by 500%. 80% PDT (which is incredibly easy to get) multiplies your survival time by 500%.

Do you know why 100% haste isn't possible? Because it would make you infinitely strong (offensive). So why should 100% PDT be possible? It also makes you infinitely strong, only defensive.

If PDT cap was reduced to 80%, I would be perfectly happy. You grossly exaggerated what people in the other thread were trying to say.

[GlobalVariable]

If PDT cap was reduced to 80%, I would be perfectly happy.

As would I and my lowman group that actually lets me use bst.

You grossly exaggerated what people in the other thread were trying to say.

People have been stretching the arguments both ways on the pdt issue in that thread with both pro and anti nerf factions blowing things way out of proportion. I'm sorry but the OPs post would fit right in that mess.

[rog]

Ever see a mage or pet job double their damage?

Blm af3+2?

[Leonlionheart]

You don't seem to understand that Haste and PDT have the exact same underlying mechanic. The closer to 100% you get on either, the higher your gain is on an exponential scale.

80% haste (which is very hard to obtain for some jobs) multiplies your damage output by 500%. 80% PDT (which is incredibly easy to get) multiplies your survival time by 500%.

Except when you deal more damage faster, there are less chances that you will die (See: offense is the best defense).

Pretty much any DD job with simply AF3+ CAN cap haste if they are smart enough to use dusk gloves instead of perle/aurore, with the exception of drk drg pup and sam (and sam actually kind of goes over gear cap, because pants give hasso +2.5% haste).

WAR can actually get 31% haste and thf can actually get 34%.

Point is, don't give people an excuse to not cap haste. If a DD isn't capping haste, something is probably wrong.

[wish12oz]

I totally agree with the OP, haste should not be capped at 80%, it should be capped at 95%.

[Alkalinehoe]

I totally agree with the OP, haste should not be capped at 80%, it should be capped at 95%.

It should be capped at 100%. Ya know, to keep in line with BST's 100% PDT.