This thread AGAIN, please, fix WK.

[Daemon]

I feel bad for even getting into this argument Daemon. You clearly play the game for different reasons than I do. I'm not saying you're worse or better, just different.

It's ok, now you know that not everyone plays for the same reasons or play the same. I have JP LS and NA LS. Both play extremely different.

NA players select only certain jobs. My JP LS doesn't care as long as everyone has fun and everyone is included. If item drops, everyone is happy that the person got it. If it doesn't drop we all gather together and light up fireworks for accomplishing the kill.

NA players grip about who got what and who didn't get what they wanted. They like to share. Help as a team. We sometimes do different limbus zones each party but join the same party for chat. All coins went to leader so they could make ultima and omega events.

My JP LS never gripes about losing or what we get. We just hope that everyone was included and everyone has fun.

NA LSs don't want players that are gimp.

My JP LS members always apologize that they were not as powerful as others but everyone who more powerful find the need to be the seniority Make sure the lower levels can get what they need so they can achieve power and catch up.

In 10 years in my JP LS I've only had the opportunity to lot 3 big items. The rest I pass every single item so that the lower levels who don't have the same skill, ability to play or accomplish more than me or the rest of us who has more or have the independent ability to do it on our own

Honestly I just don't care. I just love how they are so friendly, and how they make the event great. I've learned to see the events we do for what they are.

Spending time with each other and doing stuff.

Everyone is grateful, thankful and appreciative that we act like a real family who help each other learn the game. They never discriminate base of jobs or power.

I've passed tons upon tons of Umbral Marrow for LS members working on Relic They are the ones who only have 2-3 AF3 gear VS me who has AF3 sets complete fully upgraded.

Difference? I'm not working on Relic weapon path and i don't need it.

JP players in my LS do not put items, Gil or personal needs before others. They are always asking if anyone including me being the only NA member in my LS If I ever need anything to let them know.

I just happen to know that this is a game. People come first. Items are virtual materials that can tear apart friendships and lead to discriminating others for self gain, selfish desires.

It's like once we reach a certain level or a certain power, its our duty to be like the older brother and sister who take care of the little younger brother or sister. Why? Because what we do effect the community and if we never help, those who fall behind will never catch up nor be able to do anything fun like us.

Part of making the game fun isn't just the content. It's you as an individual that can make it fun for yourself and others.

This is why I understand Asian community after all I'm Korean. We play together for fun, friendship, and giving people we play with a reason to enjoy the game for a much higher reward than items, Gil and materials. Our reward is about feeling happy we could do something good for others.

That's a far better reward than some item taking up inventory space and being replaced or becoming irrelevant after the next few updates.


I rather choose people I can do stuff together with, help them knowing that I have the power to help. Give people a good feeling of being happy that they accomplished something. Drop whatever I'm doing to pay attention to someone else's needs than my own. And when people do it for me, this is the better reward.

When I ask people if they wanna do stuff and they never say no. That's far more rewarding.

If they need help and I can do it, seeing then happy that they got their item or gear, quest done makes me happy that my time was spend with them and not about me.

So yeah we do play for different reasons.

And this is why I don't login and play as much as before. I'm just sick of seeing how the community has become so selfish and only care about virtual items than playing together for fun.

So many people tell me OMG I spent months killing Kirin 22 times, Byakko 30 times, this boss that boss and it drops on the first run with you.

Maybe its a blessing that comes back to you when you do things for others with good intentions.

All I know is once you let go of caring about items and start caring about others. You start to see the game different and have a different outcome in everything you do.

[FrankReynolds]

It's ok, now you know that not everyone plays for the same reasons or play the same. I have JP LS and NA LS. Both play extremely different.

NA players select only certain jobs. My JP LS doesn't care as long as everyone has fun and everyone is included. If item drops, everyone is happy that the person got it. If it doesn't drop we all gather together and light up fireworks for accomplishing the kill.

NA players grip about who got what and who didn't get what they wanted.

My JP LS never gripes about losing or what we get. We just hope that everyone was included and everyone has fun.

NA LSs don't want players that are gimp.

My JP LS members always apologize that they were not as powerful as others but everyone who more powerful find the need to be the seniority Make sure the lower levels can get what they need so they can achieve power and catch up.

In 10 years in my JP LS I've only had the opportunity to lot 3 big items. The rest I pass every single item so that the lower levels who don't have the same skill, ability to play or accomplish more than me or the rest of us who has more or have the independent ability to do it on our own.

Everyone is grateful, thankful and appreciative that we act like a real family who help each other learn the game. They never discriminate base of jobs or power.

I've passed tons upon tons of Umbral Marrow for LS members working on Relic They are the ones who only have 2-3 AF3 gear VS me who has AF3 sets complete fully upgraded.

Difference? I'm not working on Relic weapon path and i don't need it.

JP players in my LS do not put items, Gil or personal needs before others. They are always asking if anyone including me being the only NA member in my LS If I ever need anything to let them know.

I just happen to know that this is a game. People come first. Items are virtual materials that can tear apart friendships and lead to discriminating others for self gain, selfish desires.

It's like once we reach a certain level or a certain power, its our duty to be like the older brother and sister who take care of the little younger brother or sister. Why? Because what we do effect the community and if we never help, those who fall behind will never catch up nor be able to do anything fun like us.

Part of making the game fun isn't just the content. It's you as an individual that can make it fun for yourself and others.

This is why I understand Asian community after all I'm Korean. We play together for fun, friendship, and giving people we play with a reason to enjoy the game for a much higher reward than items, Gil and materials. Our reward is about feeling happy we could do something good for others.

That's a far better reward than some item taking up inventory space and being replaced or becoming irrelevant after the next few updates.


I rather choose people I can do stuff together with, help them knowing that I have to power to help. Give people a good feeling of being happy that they accomplished something. Drop whatever I'm doing to pay attention to someone else's needs than my own. And when people do it for me, this is the better reward.

When I ask people if they wanna do stuff and they never say no. That's far more rewarding.

If they need help and I can do it, seeing then happy that they got their item or gear, quest done makes me happy that my time was spend with them and not about me.

So yeah we do play for different reasons.

And this is why I don't login and play as much as before. I'm just sick of seeing how the community has become so selfish and only care about virtual items than playing together for fun.

Seriously... Stop it. I have friends in Japan. I built my first character when literally everyone in the game was Japanese, before the NA launch. I had to learn a little kanji, follow screen shots and copy / paste a fake JP address into the registration form to set up my original account and then spent years paying with Web Money because they won't take my american credit card. You are not the only guy who ever befriended an Asian person here.

Japanese people are just like any other group of people. A couple of winners and a whole bunch of losers. They are no better and no worse than People who speak English. As a matter of fact, a lot of them speak English. There are English speaking countries / people in every part of the globe. Lumping us all together like that is straight up racist and is somewhat ironic in the context of your rant about JP superiority.

There are NA (Whatever that means) linkshells who don't care if you don't come on the best jobs too. They are called "social shells" and they don't beat things like Tojil very often, but they enjoy the opportunity to do bosses on jobs like dancer and summoner. Nothing wrong with that.

The problem is that just like in real life, most people aren't good at or don't desire to make enough friends to fill a linkshell. Most people have a few good buddies and that's about it. That's why people join linkshells to do events. They need set rules to govern how loot / events are handled because they don't have enough friends to just go do stuff all willy-nilly like "Hey guys! Let's all get on our favorite jobs and do some delve bosses!".

How well do you speak Japanese? Are you sure all those people in your JP shell don't have other serious shells that they go do events with and then just pop on that shell when they wanna mess around? Because I can tell you right now, the JP shells on Cerberus that I see are strictly business. They don't bring people with weak gear on odd ball jobs to events. I find it very hard to believe that your shell is advancing at a steady pace by having everyone come thief and blue mage and dancer and stuff. I'm pretty sure they optimize their parties just like we do.

[Daemon]

Seriously... Stop it. I have friends in Japan. I built my first character when literally everyone in the game was Japanese, before the NA launch. I had to learn a little kanji, follow screen shots and copy / paste a fake JP address into the registration form to set up my original account and then spent years paying with Web Money because they won't take my american credit card. You are not the only guy who ever befriended an Asian person here.

Japanese people are just like any other group of people. A couple of winners and a whole bunch of losers. They are no better and no worse than People who speak English. As a matter of fact, a lot of them speak English. There are English speaking countries / people in every part of the globe. Lumping us all together like that is straight up racist and is somewhat ironic in the context of your rant about JP superiority.

There are NA (Whatever that means) linkshells who don't care if you don't come on the best jobs too. They are called "social shells" and they don't beat things like Tojil very often, but they enjoy the opportunity to do bosses on jobs like dancer and summoner. Nothing wrong with that.

The problem is that just like in real life, most people aren't good at or don't desire to make enough friends to fill a linkshell. Most people have a few good buddies and that's about it. That's why people join linkshells to do events. They need set rules to govern how loot / events are handled because they don't have enough friends to just go do stuff all willy-nilly like "Hey guys! Let's all get on our favorite jobs and do some delve bosses!".

How well do you speak Japanese? Are you sure all those people in your JP shell don't have other serious shells that they go do events with and then just pop on that shell when they wanna mess around? Because I can tell you right now, the JP shells on Cerberus that I see are strictly business. They don't bring people with weak gear on odd ball jobs to events. I find it very hard to believe that your shell is advancing at a steady pace by having everyone come thief and blue mage and dancer and stuff. I'm pretty sure they optimize their parties just like we do.

On my first day I joined FFXI. I met a JP player named Moichi. He gave me a little Gil to buy a pair of armor. He started taking me around Windurst and try to teach me how to quest and do missions. He took me outside and taught me how to level up by playing a low level job so we could duo together.

Many times he had to change to a different job in order to play with me.

Everyday we logged in and played together.

His main job was BLM.

He would take me to different maps and protect me along the way when we went to areas beyond my level.

Everyday he would walk me to my Mog house and say good night.

As each day went by he taught me how to farm, do crafting and take me to new areas according to my progress. He took me to each craig to get telepoints.

When he brought me to Jeuno, he took me to get my keys for Kahzam airship pass.

Everyday he would ask me what my level was and always check my gear. He would send me armor he crafted for me at certain levels.

Many times I opened my Mog house and found Meat mithkabobs, silent oils, prism powders.

When it came time to do certain missions, he asked all his JP friends to come help.

As time went by I was catching up to his level. I wondered why he did not go level up himself.

Sometimes I would fall asleep while we were playing together and the next day I found myself in town. He would warp me back to town so I would not be killed and lose exp.

Sometimes when he was on another job, he would go back to town and come back to warp me when I fell asleep.

It got to the point that I fell asleep so many times, he would laugh at me.

Many times when I died he shouted for a raise, or asked one of his JP friends if the could come raise me.

Eventually I leveled up higher than him and soon after that I was leaving him behind. And then I started making more Gil than him and had to teach him how I made Gil.

As I reached the level cap I started getting bored and waited for HNMs to pop. Many end game LS told me if I tell them when pop happens and they claim it, I could join and lot ABJ. Rhey asked me to camp all week until HQ popped.

But those LS were evil and said they lied to me and told me to go run off and cry after boss was killed.

I got so mad that people on the server were so mean. Greedy. Rude. But this was end game.

So decided to move to the new server when SE implemented it.

Once I moved I realized that I was worse than the HNM LS people being rude to me. I left behind my friend Moichi and all his friends who helped me all because I got caught up in end game greed and that changed my attitude. I realized that my anger made me turn into something I hated most.

Inconsiderate and selfish by thinking about the items than the people who put me first.


You see my friend Moichi didn't level up because he was too busy helping me. He one day told me when Japan announced FFXI opening servers to USA, he was so happy and excited because he wanted to have American friends and in Japan he never have the opportunity to interact with American people.

I felt so bad for my mistake that I lost interest in playing FFXI because I left behind the people who did no wrong to me.

Later on I made a new character to login and chat with my JP friends to let them know I was sorry and that I made a mistake. I got angry and that changed me.

As new expansions came out I logged on my main and played here and there but wasn't so interested in playing the game as I use to.

I was sad that I was one of the first NA friends my JP friend ever had and I did not give him the best impression I should have.

And when I came back to my sever I promised myself that I would never make that mistake again and think about items over people because there are many beautiful people in the world that can give amazing friendships and doing stuff together is much more fun than being part of the end game groups who used me, took advantage of me and changed me.

I promised that I would help others and appreciate everyone I meet because although we all hide behind a sprite. That doesn't mean the person behind the sprite deserves to be treated as if they don't matter.

As for the JP LS I'm in now. I met them later after Mouchi and we use to farm NMs like Amikiri, and do Zilart and Dyna.

When I came back to my server, they welcomed me back and invited me to their LS. It's because they treated me like this. I always have fun offering to help them and all LS members they invited.

One day one of the leaders told me everyone in LS are irl friends but they all grew up and now they work and only have time to play a few hours twice a week. So when I see them I always join and pass all items. They always ask me if there's any items I want and I always tell them no. I just join them for the adventure and because I want to help.

I learned to appreciate my JP friends. Something that I didn't do a long time ago because I got caught up into the game and myself. And this is why I play the game different now.

And it's very sad when I spent many hours a day trying to help NA players only for them to say thank you so much. It's so rare to see high levels these days help others and we appreciate it.

[OmnysValefor]

I tried to extend an olive branch and you immediately turned to condescension.

NA players select only certain jobs. My JP LS doesn't care as long as everyone has fun and everyone is included. If item drops, everyone is happy that the person got it. If it doesn't drop we all gather together and light up fireworks for accomplishing the kill.

While kill-oriented, many EGLS's will include those that are more of a "friend" than a member. We don't go for blood, we go for fun and for us, fun is winning.

NA players grip about who got what and who didn't get what they wanted. They like to share. Help as a team. We sometimes do different limbus zones each party but join the same party for chat. All coins went to leader so they could make ultima and omega events.

Yeah I remember when we killed our first tojil, it was pre-determined that our perma-monks would get Oats first. After getting the first kill, you know what the 2/4 monks that didn't get oats immediately did?!?!?! They went to the npc and bought them, even though they were guaranteed to have them in a few kills..

My JP LS never gripes about losing or what we get. We just hope that everyone was included and everyone has fun.

NA LSs don't want players that are gimp.

Actually, let me tell you one of the reasons I built Ochain was because it allows me to carry people in older content. In a lot of older stuff, I'm nigh-unkillable. If someone needed help in abyssea and really had a poor job selection, I went pld and solo'd it while they contributed what they could.

Our LS invited people freely when we farmed beads. They also remembered people who helped us work towards the win in the past, even if they weren't there for the win (people outside LS) and prioritized getting them a win as thanks.

Spending time with each other and doing stuff.

See, a lot of people think every progressed LS must be full of ***hats, but you know what? We spend time with each other and do stuff, it makes no difference that our "stuff" is building towards the best way to defeat a boss. We also do stuff outside raid time too, in smaller groups. One of our mnks needed to level /run so I Fell-Cleaved for him, for free.

I can't read any more of it, you think so lowly of anyone who thinks different.

Learn to recognize a gesture of peace when you see one.

[Fynlar]

Yeah I remember when we killed our first tojil, it was pre-determined that our perma-monks would get Oats first. After getting the first kill, you know what the 2/4 monks that didn't get oats immediately did?!?!?! They went to the npc and bought them, even though they were guaranteed to have them in a few kills..

The day I first beat Tojil, I was there for 4 kills before the group stopped. No oaties dropped :<

So yeah, I ended up buying mine @_@

[Daemon]

I tried to extend an olive branch and you immediately turned to condescension.



While kill-oriented, many EGLS's will include those that are more of a "friend" than a member. We don't go for blood, we go for fun and for us, fun is winning.



Yeah I remember when we killed our first tojil, it was pre-determined that our perma-monks would get Oats first. After getting the first kill, you know what the 2/4 monks that didn't get oats immediately did?!?!?! They went to the npc and bought them, even though they were guaranteed to have them in a few kills..



Actually, let me tell you one of the reasons I built Ochain was because it allows me to carry people in older content. In a lot of older stuff, I'm nigh-unkillable. If someone needed help in abyssea and really had a poor job selection, I went pld and solo'd it while they contributed what they could.

Our LS invited people freely when we farmed beads. They also remembered people who helped us work towards the win in the past, even if they weren't there for the win (people outside LS) and prioritized getting them a win as thanks.



See, a lot of people think every progressed LS must be full of ***hats, but you know what? We spend time with each other and do stuff, it makes no difference that our "stuff" is building towards the best way to defeat a boss. We also do stuff outside raid time too, in smaller groups. One of our mnks needed to level /run so I Fell-Cleaved for him, for free.

I can't read any more of it, you think so lowly of anyone who thinks different.

Learn to recognize a gesture of peace when you see one.

I can't help it but I've help so many make broken promises of let's do salvage together so we both can get gear. Only for them to bail out after getting everything they wanted. Guiding me to certain areas where their items dropped. Because I'm clueless when it comes to doing quests, etc.

Almost 90% of the gear I own was left over drops people didn't need or want, or I paid people Gil to help me farm.

Offer to let me lot a +2 back in Abby days if I used my Kis only to take all the items and disband after I popped.

I've been jaded by so many people who gave me innocent stories and turn around and be 2 faced. So if you think I'm only thinking so lowly. You are wrong my friend. I don't assume everyone is this way. I give everyone chances until I come to the conclusion of realizing what agenda people really have.

And many times I've seen people act one way up until the point they accomplished their goal and move on.

I've always ended up to the same conclusion of now that I've done what they wanted, go solo it yourself because no one is reliable or willing to do things with me unless they get something out of it.

I've joined LS where I used all of my boss pops only to be told its not my turn to Lot. Then end up leaving those LS because the same people get to lot all items almost every run but use my Kis in the process.

It's not about think everyone is bad players, its about not seeing enough good players to keep me interested in logging in.

And I don't speak on behalf of ALL JP's but every single one I've played with never did this to me like the people I've encountered in the NA Community.

Yeah this one time I joined Botulus Rex. They made me spend 500k on displaces, then kick me out after party wiped because I did not proc a BLM spell when half the alliance wiped out leaving me to switch over to light arts and raise people.

No warning kick me out and say "Learn to Scholar."

[SpankWustler]

Based on my very limited experience with Japanese people, all Japanese people walk around in groups of eight in order to carry giant metal weiners around on palanquins as if giant metal weiners will be the god-kings that lead us into a new era of peace and love and giant metal weiners.

Unfortunately for all those giant metal wieners in the world, this is because of my limited experience with a population rather than anything that's actually true for a large number of that population.

[Daemon]

From my experience, most Japanese players are group of in real life friends that do everything together. Trust each other, and stick together like family. Helping each other reach goals.

Its basically language barrier and cultural difference and we tend to guess how others are based upon our own experiences interacting with people.

We maybe open to invite new people we don't know and give people chances. Some groups may never invite others unless they know you.

From the groups I've met including my JP LS. They don't invite random people because its like you hang out and do stuff together all the time and then a new guy who you cannot communicate with makes it hard to understand each other.

Its not that Japanese people are racist. Which some players assume if one bad apple is there, most likely all of them are. Especially if you encounter something more than once.

I could tell my LS doesn't invite just anyone. Maybe for several reasons but not for the reasons most will think.

The only reason why they invited me is because I've partied with the leaders and did events with them several times including never bailing out on them, staying til the very end and placed others needs before my own.

Building a personal friendship over time than just join one or two times and move on. And many players still don't get that. And patience is the most important thing when it comes to building a friendship with anyone.

But today's environment is too fast pace to offer that opportunity. We join instant groups and expect to click after 2 or 3 times partying together in events. And it just doesn't work that way when getting to know JPs.

The same as some LS won't instantly invite you unless they know you can commit and know you are not an ass.

Amplify the difference when it comes to knowing JPs though. They pay attention to details on how you act. Are you going to help others or expect to help yourself. Do you commit to long term goals? Are you self gain?

Sometimes long term over observations tend to show more than short term. Whose to say you won't act like a good person in the beginning and get comfortable later on showing your true self?

Most of the time people start off good because the friendship is new, but true intentions begin to show later once you get to know someone over time.

Then again NA community interact with all types of people all over the world from any and every culture on a daily basis. So we are more open minded in a sense.

Go to Japan and you'll most likely see only Japanese with a handful of foreigners.

[Spectreman]

I'm sorry to tell you this but WK was already forgotten by SE.

[Umichi]

That's not legitimate tanking, and this is even only feasible--if it's feasible anymore (haven't seen this since abyssea) because you're handicapping your dd's. All the phrases to use, "holding back", "handicapping", they're all understaements.



In the rare instance where someone messed something up while I was supertanking in delve, let me tell you that I could hold solid hate on two NMs (that happened once, one whm flashed the cricket, and the other whm body agrod the butterflies to "bring them to me"). I did fine and dandy until I hit hate cap.

You see, that's what happens, after enough time, healers have built up so much enmity that they pull away. They can even pull out of 8 or 10 DDs landing several hits a second.

Enmity is broken.



SCH/BLM? In between stuns, stack dot spells, toss in dispels if necessary, and maybe a few quick casting low tier nukes.



Short of diamondhide, I believe all those are single target and need diffusion, a 10 minute cooldown.



Not even touching how far-reaching this one is.



Bosses will so reliably resist a dancer's stuns that no reasonable group would depend on them. They also depend on melee accuracy to even land the hit. SCH can stun twice as fast as dancer with strats, and just as fast once strats are gone.



Yes, they can, but they suffer from being probably the weakest damage dealer.



Aside from the enfeebling side-effects, my aegis is damn near immune to magic damage and tanks a hit incomparably better than a RUN. I cleared 1150 defense with Defender, and no food. I could bust a taco and probably tap 1350.

If you were an NM computer and some enemy is healing the person your fighting because he pisses you off. do you A) continue fighting the person who is not dieing? or B) run after the squishy person whos keping the other one alive... and yes the NPC's are like that... you don't know all that there is to know about Enimt same as I don't know much about it either... they tell us a couple things and that makes you a master at it? 1) anyone who agroes monster gets put on a list. 2) depending on what you do you generate two types of enimity, one that degrades over tiem and one that stays put (I think) healing can remove you off the NM's list although the mechanics behind it aren't to specific... that's about all we know.. aside from obvious stuff like higher enimity means a more likely chance that you'll get agro...