This thread AGAIN, please, fix WK.

[Daemon]

People aren't singling you out because you don't know anything, they are saying you have little experience with Tojil, as you have confirmed by saying you have fought him only a single time. No matter the skill of the group, number of people, or anything else on the subject, it matters not, you have very little experience with the NM compared to others with much greater experience, which was part of the point of the entire Tojil debate here.

Also, in the 11 years, the game has changed, never before now could we have 2 SCH/BLM keep a NM stunned at nearly all times of a battle, also, we could never stun every attack, and every attack was not certain death, admittedly we have gotten past the part where all attacks kill you, but some of them are still so deadly that its a stun or die kinda game we play. So even if you have experience for the last 11 years, it means jack when your fighting something that attacks with types of things you have never had to really deal with before, such as Lahar, which causes weakness without killing you, a type of attack VW temps let us avoid, and only those few people who did Legion really experienced issues with before Adoulin. While you have this experience, in this case, its different, the only content in a while people have had to fight like Delve Bosses, were Legion NMs, so unless you did Legion, you really don't have as much experience in the field as you believe you do in my opinion.

And what experience do I ultimately need to do my part in an 18 man alliance? If I play WHM, cure, buff, conserve MP, common strategy such as casting Flash when Boss TPs, using Maytr when too much hate has been generated from cures. Casting cure on Tanker giving temp stoneskin when mob TPs. Quick reflex cast barspells according to mobs Spellcasting. Use devotion on important job in party such as PLD.

What more can I do in a 17 man party other than know my job, listen to instruction, work as a team. I don't need to play Tojil and win to qualify the title of "I'm elite"

I know how to play several jobs and I know them well enough to know how to contribute my share and more.

That's what 8+ hours of solo practice everyday for many years and going back to help lower levels fight Taxet, and other bosses plus spending endless hours in WoE provided training so I could know how to be ready for events like a Tojil.

Maybe you need to party with me more DJ so you can make a better judgement of how I play because others that have played with me can't say jack about my skills and those who made an assumption before playing with me were proven wrong.

Every time I play with my JP LS we try to kill boss with least amount of people that others try to do with 18 man alliance.

[Demon6324236]

I don't need to play Tojil and win to qualify the title of "I'm elite"

Were not talking about you being 'elite' we are talking about you being experienced with a NM, experience with you lack.

Maybe you need to party with me more DJ so you can make a better judgement of how I play because others that have played with me can't say jack about my skills and those who made an assumption before playing with me were proven wrong.

I said nothing about your overall skill or anything of the sort, this is one of your issues you are having here. This is not about your skill, your intellect, or anything of the sort, its simply a matter of experience, and now that you have said you have only fought Tojil once, it really comes down to the fact you simply do not have that experience. I am not saying you have to kill 10 Tojils to be able to talk about it, I am saying that your experience with a NM or any fight in general will heavily weigh in on your ideas for how to confront it, since you lack the experience others have with the NM, you can easily end up looking foolish, as you have done a few times in this thread I believe.

[Daemon]

Were not talking about you being 'elite' we are talking about you being experienced with a NM, experience with you lack.

I said nothing about your overall skill or anything of the sort, this is one of your issues you are having here. This is not about your skill, your intellect, or anything of the sort, its simply a matter of experience, and now that you have said you have only fought Tojil once, it really comes down to the fact you simply do not have that experience. I am not saying you have to kill 10 Tojils to be able to talk about it, I am saying that your experience with a NM or any fight in general will heavily weigh in on your ideas for how to confront it, since you lack the experience others have with the NM, you can easily end up looking foolish, as you have done a few times in this thread I believe.

If its a boss I could fight solo then I could understand your argument. But as a Mage class supporting my team, the fight falls in the hands of the entire group. Not me alone.

Just because I have not been in a good group who knows what they are doing or how to kill Tojil doesn't mean I need additional experience to do it.

In the end i'm still playing the same role. Support as a Mage. If I was a DD then you could tell me that I need more experience.

You do know that the last time I played Tojil we timed out at 10% HP right? If I had all the time in the world to login and play I guarantee I would have already won long time ago.

[Thorbean]

I have huge experience with an 8 track, you should send me some samples of your DJ sets so I can tell you what you are doing right/wrong.
"Same concept, different condition."

The game has been "subject to change" since it started. You do know what a version update is right?

I can't believe this thread is still going...

*I use the term "thread" quite wrongly, as this is just an argument between people who have experience with the content being debated, and 1 person without aforementioned experience.

Edit: You would rather waste your time arguing about a game you don't play, than play & enjoy the game you are wasting your time arguing about? Classic.

[Daemon]

I have huge experience with an 8 track, you should send me some samples of your DJ sets so I can tell you what you are doing right/wrong.
"Same concept, different condition."

The game has been "subject to change" since it started. You do know what a version update is right?

I can't believe this thread is still going...

*I use the term "thread" quite wrongly, as this is just an argument between people who have experience with the content being debated, and 1 person without aforementioned experience.

Edit: You would rather waste your time arguing about a game you don't play, than play & enjoy the game you are wasting your time arguing about? Classic.

Uhg not the same concept. If you were paying attention rather than jump into someone else's conversation then you'd already know that I don't have time to play anymore.

Sending you an 8 track for your opinion still would matter in the sense that you have knowledge and experience to know what you are talking about.

BIG DIFFERENCE than assuming someone who has never studied or practiced the skill and do it for a living giving you an opinion.

I've played Tojil before. Maybe didnt win but that's not my fault. I've played delve enough times to know how it works.

BIG DIFFERENCE than assuming as if I never played The event to know what you are talking about.

Why would I waste time playing a game if I'm too busy at work spending my free time on the forums in an environment where I can't play? Common sense.

[Daemon]

Funny I already said I assumed we were following the OP discussion about WR. But now the conversation seems to be minupulated into Delve/Tojil as an excuse to prove me irrelevant in my discussion which I'm not amused.

But then again Elitist are never wrong and everyone according to them under classified to their standards will always assume they are right regardless.

I wonder why we are arguing about Tojil when none of my replies were based on that? Yet you people are hounding me as if all of my comments were based on Delve when everything I replied to was based on WR.

Unless you don't know how to read and only know how to read fragments of the conversation and make assumptions based on a few replies and not the overall discussion. Or do you not know how to stay on topic?

OMG until you kill 1 mandragora you don't know what you are talking about even if you seen it 100 times, didnt engage in enough fights to know that its a mandragora oh my. Because I got 17 other people to kill it for me I'm more superior than you!!

Then people wonder why I don't play anymore.

Ill be laughing when SE implements something harder than Tojil and then people will look back and realize how stupid easy the boss became after surpassing the current content obtaining current gear. Only to realize that it might be hard now but that's only because its the current end game content.

Just like back at level 75 people thought Behemoth, Farnir, Nidhogg was impossible. I heard the same arguments you are making now.

And how funny it is that Qilin only takes 5 minutes to kill. Was it possible upon release? Gee its soooooo hard to kill 1 boss that you need to be God mode to be like us.

Whatever.

You can only go through the same routine so many times to come to the point at which I'm at now. Seen it enough times that it all looks all the same to me.

[FrankReynolds]

Funny I already said I assumed we were following the OP discussion about WR. But now the conversation seems to be minupulated into Delve/Tojil as an excuse to prove me irrelevant in my discussion which I'm not amused.

But then again Elitist are never wrong and everyone according to them under classified to their standards will always assume they are right regardless.

I wonder why we are arguing about Tojil when none of my replies were based on that? Yet you people are hounding me as if all of my comments were based on Delve when everything I replied to was based on WR.

Unless you don't know how to read and only know how to read fragments of the conversation and make assumptions based on a few replies and not the overall discussion. Or do you not know how to stay on topic?

OMG until you kill 1 mandragora you don't know what you are talking about even if you seen it 100 times, didnt engage in enough fights to know that its a mandragora oh my. Because I got 17 other people to kill it for me I'm more superior than you!!

Then people wonder why I don't play anymore.

Ill be laughing when SE implements something harder than Tojil and then people will look back and realize how stupid easy the boss became after surpassing the current content obtaining current gear. Only to realize that it might be hard now but that's only because its the current end game content.

Just like back at level 75 people thought Behemoth, Farnir, Nidhogg was impossible. I heard the same arguments you are making now.

And how funny it is that Qilin only takes 5 minutes to kill. Was it possible upon release? Gee its soooooo hard to kill 1 boss that you need to be God mode to be like us.

Whatever.

You can only go through the same routine so many times to come to the point at which I'm at now. Seen it enough times that it all looks all the same to me.

You don't have a significant amount of experience with WKR either. Dude has been trying to get you to do it with him for weeks now. What is elite about that?

The even is soooooo good, that you won't do it, but we are the ones who just need to wait...

[Daemon]

You don't have a significant amount of experience with WKR either. Dude has been trying to get you to do it with him for weeks now. What is elite about that?

The even is soooooo good, that you won't do it, but we are the ones who just need to wait...

So what is better? Play before all adjustments? Am I the only person who realizes that updates come to an end after content for the expansion reaches its intended vision?

Look at all other expansions. Was it better to play salvage, Dyna, and all other events the moment it was released? If I remember correctly everyone complained about every content.

A few months ago you guys complained WR gave you pebbles and how horrid it is to spend 10 hours of your day. Then I actually went and played Hurkaan according to the example and didnt even make it to the fight long enough to see this so called OMG Hurkaan takes 10 hours when it died in less than 2. And I only got to watch it die from 35% in less than 15 minutes.

Then I hear Yumcax takes 27 hours. I get invite at 28% and see the shout from others 5 minutes later that HP dropped to 24%.

And I'm still in Jeuno... By the time I walk to Yumcax will I even make it??

So what the hell is it?

Devs announce they will make another adjustment since the aftermath of FFXIV release. How long since I knew release was going to be on August 27th?? Is this the first game to lose a good portion of players upon a new game release?

You guys must assume I'm 10 years old with no common sense. I'm sure I have plenty of time to go back and play SoA content later but right now?

My irl priorities come first.

Same shi* different day.

[Thorbean]

Then people wonder why I don't play anymore.

You can only go through the same routine so many times to come to the point at which I'm at now. Seen it enough times that it all looks all the same to me.

Better watch out guys, this guy is so awesome at the game, he can beat it without actually beating it.
*Insert masturbation joke here*

Joking aside, I don't wonder why you don't play anymore. The only thing I'm wondering is, how long we will have to wait until you take it a step further and stop posting nonsense, off topic gibberish and theory craft.

As a note, please stop bringing up your life outside of FFXI. Nobody is interested in any of that and this isn't your personal blog. The people who come here, are here to discuss (DISCUSS!) FFXI. They are not here to be preached to or to have perfectly reasonable requests shot down repeatedly by some random person with no authority or say in anything.
If you object to a suggestion, that's fine. Post your grievance then move on, instead of forcing your view down peoples throats... For 60 pages...

Having an opinion is one thing. Pushing that opinion on everyone repeatedly and refusing to take a step back and accept that maybe *Shock Horror!* you are actually wrong causes nothing but headaches for everyone.

There's a huge difference between having a strong belief and being pig-headed. You sir, are infuriatingly pig-headed.

Note: before you get butt-hurt because i said you have the head of a pig: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/pig-headed

Now quick, you better post a reply otherwise you'll lose the argument on the internet!
That's what this boils down to right?
Ps. I won't be reading it.

Edit: regarding "5 mins later it was down to 25%, will I even make it to XXXX boss in time?".
You are showing just how out of touch you are with these events. A lot of the time, when people shout "50%", what they actually mean is "80%" but it's going so slowly they want more people to enter quickly.
"25%" is often actually 40-50% but the fight has dragged on for so long people are desperate for more assistance. Players don't want to join at 90%, they want to join at ~20%.

[Umichi]

I personally play this just like any other FF these days. I don't worry about parties and I only play with friends and linkshell members.. I know people in the game world... and people know me...we might do more endgame together because of that... But remember this is a FF first and foremost and at it's heart is an engaging enviroment for everyone... because it's a FF game.. deamon speaks upon experience.. he's been playing for eleven years... he doesn't need to do an event to not understand it.... why? because all it is is fighting! lol I've only been playing on and off for 4-5 years now... and It's still a challenge to do things my way in this game because everyone is obssesed with endgame statistics... they only look at gear and focus on DPS.... It's why I wish I knew more Japanese lol I have plenty experience interactng with JP over my time adventuring in vanadiel and you can def tell the difference in styles on how JP and NA play and the structure.


as far as WR's go Since I only play 1-2 jobs I've pretty much gotten all I've ever needed from WKR and I did it on each and every run. since SE plans on maybe implementing a repeatable reward system for it If I ever decide to level something else (perhaps on an alt) I'll be able to work on it easier and more efficiently perhaps doing yet again only a single run-through to get all the gear I needed from it.

without the need to repeat...


Delve on the other hand... bleh so hard to get into a NA delve because they want you geared to the teeth.... I've gotten to tojil before with a JP group with 15 mins left and it was my first attempt with them.

other delve bosses are another story... hopefully if i ever need gear from them I'll have enough skill or power to defeat them lol... again a repeatable system for rewards would benifit us greatly! But for now I have what I want except tojils head for ukupirex lol.... Still building gungnir!!!!