Quote Originally Posted by Llana_Virren View Post
You win on this one... preferably reduced to 50% conversion.
However, /rdm Refresh should be full potency. /whm Regens and Haste are full potency, too. Don't see the problem there....
No, he doesn't. Convert is fine except in the minds of the "WHM is the boogieman" squad (which is funny because /RDM is actually the inferior choice to /SCH, and Convert barely makes it competitive at all; basically people who repeat this show how little they actually know about the game). Do Dancers complain that other jobs can use Haste Samba constantly while accusing Ninjas of getting full potency? They don't because they can merit it. Perhaps there should be more gear enhancing Convert gear, traits, or perhaps Red Mage's Convert Recast merits should be better, but having Convert from /RDM isn't what is remotely making anyone better then Red Mage.

Quote Originally Posted by Llana_Virren View Post
Additionally, SCH has less MP and less MP Restoration (Convert, Conserve MP, etc) and require subjob consideration.
No clue what you're talking about here, Scholar has decent amounts of auto-refresh gear, Arts cost reductions, Strategems to reduce MP costs, Sublimation (which gets better as levels increase), Conserve MP, Aspir, and more (many of these are available in enough amounts from /SCH that this sub is amazing for White Mage, again, /RDM Convert on WHM is a joke repeated by people who don't understand the game well).

In all honestly, I don't understand why White Mage is such the boogieman here, we're talking about a highly vulnerable position you'd be vying for. If you can provide "just enough" healing while being able to do anything else, you win the slot. With the cure formula adjustments, Red Mages can now Cure IV for numbers very close to a White Mage's Cure IV... and White Mages with decent gear and capped skill no longer need to use Cure V (and never needed to use the massive MP hog, Cure VI, again another item proclaimed repeatedly by those with lacking knowledge on the game).

That leaves White Mages with very little to edge out , such as slightly better Barspells, Shellra V, Curaga, and for the pedantic, Boost-STAT. Really, for mage parties and lowman the Refresh II, some extra nuking damage would seem like the better choice... the problem is that Bard does Refresh better with better Haste to for covering the extra DD damage in cases where the healing is more negligible, and for cases where the healing is more important Scholar has Regen V, Aurorastorm, and Rapture (you could craft a very convincing argument that Scholar is better at cures then White Mage at this point), while having better nukes, better buffs for mages, and even a better haste under their two hour. So basally, even in cases where you'd be better off with some nuking damage while still needing the occasional cure, Scholars will be taking your job. Considering that Red Mage is more then just a healing job, I'd think being better at both White and Black Magic while on one Job/Sub combination wouldn't sit very well with Red Mages, but apparently White Mage has to be the boogieman.

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By the way, as said by a Community Rep in this thread, SE isn't currently doing a major revamp of merits right now, they're changing stuff that involve timers. Working with SE with suggestions so improvements would come now while they're working on merits and timers would be suggestions about duration of spells not being based on how many merits you have, or if you were going out on a limb, asking for Convert merits to reduce the timer further. Instead we get suggestions for major revamps of the Red Mage merits when SE clearly says that's not what they're doing right now. It is probably a good idea to have a thread about merit overhauls, it is not a good idea to cry about the current merit changes when the clear goal isn't to magically fix every merit (Protectra, Ancient Magic, merit Bloodpacts) but instead to adjust timers related to merits unless you're asking for adjustments to timers.

I'm sure that if they're listening SE is already well aware of the concerns everyone repeats about major merit overhauls for Red Mage for whenever they get around to it, I'm less certain they know about timer adjustments in line with their stated goals for adjustments that they could be doing for Red Mage merits right now.