Cure V

[Kimble]

Embrava can last upwards of 15ish minutes, that's pretty boss.

True.

And its still only good for one fight. I guess maybe 2 if you use it and it carries over before you pop again.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Yeah its great. Once every 2 hours. So I can use it exactly for one fight. Usually do 3-4x of each NM and up to 3 different NMs. While I dont under estimate the power of Embrava, its not like im just doing one fight then its done.

Fun in Abyssea if you have capped lights.

[saevel]

Being on a scroll and being taken off said scroll is what I call spells being taken away, I don't know why your definition is so different.

Did you have "Cure V" or "Flash" in your cast-able spells list ever? Did one day you wake up after an update and find it gone?

That is the definition of take away, it means to remove something you could do.

SE didn't take away any spells from RDM, they simply didn't give them to RDM in the first place. Which is why WHM wasn't on the "addle" scroll when it was created, even though SE knew they were going to give it to them and the precise level they would do it at.

This goes to one of the lessons learned from the skinner experiments. Take two groups of rats and put them in a skinner box. The first group have drop food pellets at a rate of one per min. The second group have food pellets drop at a rate of once per 5 min.

After awhile, change the first groups drop rate to once per 5 min. Observe the behavioral changes. The first group gets irate, angry and will attack each other. The second group is calm and sedate. Both groups are getting the same food rate of once per 5 min. The only difference is that the first group got to experience a greater sense of reward.

The conclusion was reduction of reward is considered to be a hostile action by the recipients. They believe you are "taking" something from them, even when it wasn't theirs to begin with.

Next experiment involved two birds in a cage. First bird could easily hit the level and get a food pellet. Second bird had it's feet tied to a pole and was unable to get to the food pellets. After awhile the mechanism to drop the food pellets was turned off. Guess what happened? The first bird got irate and started attacking the second bird who's feet were tied down.

The conclusion was that the reduction of reward not only is a hostile action, but that the recipients will attack the nearest recognizable object as the source of the problem. The first bird got angry at the second because it's reward was removed, even when the second bird wasn't receiving any of the reward.

Seriously, as much as I hate how MMO's use Skinner's experiments to model their game reward mechanisms, most of this experiments explain much of the social behavior present in these video games. And here we thought ourselves better then animals.

[Neisan_Quetz]

If I say 'taken off the scroll of' will that make you feel better? I'm sorry my definition of the phrase 'take away' includes the word remove - wait so does yours, what are you arguing about? Rdm was on the scrolls, Rdm was taken off the scrolls - said spells on the scrolls were taken away from Rdm. You're arguing semantics at this point as far as I'm concerned.

[MDenham]

If I say 'taken off the scroll of' will that make you feel better? I'm sorry my definition of the phrase 'take away' includes the word remove - wait so does yours, what are you arguing about? Rdm was on the scrolls, Rdm was taken off the scrolls - said spells on the scrolls were taken away from Rdm. You're arguing semantics at this point as far as I'm concerned.

In that case, WHM wants its native Refresh at 61 back too.

[Neisan_Quetz]

It can have it. The most it'll do is have them /blm more often, and they do that anyway if they need stun from the whm.

[saevel]

If I say 'taken off the scroll of' will that make you feel better? I'm sorry my definition of the phrase 'take away' includes the word remove - wait so does yours, what are you arguing about? Rdm was on the scrolls, Rdm was taken off the scrolls - said spells on the scrolls were taken away from Rdm. You're arguing semantics at this point as far as I'm concerned.

Now your back tracking.

Your phrasing was such that you presented your argument as SE removing from RDM a capability it had possessed. You used "take away" in a negative meaning as in "they stole it from RDM". This is dishonest as SE never stole anything. RDM was never able to cast those spells, SE was originally planning it but decided against it. The only thing that changed was SE's intentions.

Or would you like to say SE "took away" Fire VII and Firaga VI from BLM. They were both on scrolls, those scrolls existed in the games item database on the server. SE never had them drop from any monster because we level reached levels 100+, similar to how RDM couldn't learn Cure V / Flash due to it not being high enough to use the scroll. Heck there were all sorts of things in the .dats that never materialized in the game. Should we go around stating how SE "took away" all those spells / abilities?

Your argument boiled down to you feeling bad that SE Santa didn't' give you what you wanted for Christmas. Now stop trying to play semantics with me, your no where good enough for that.

[Neisan_Quetz]

Rdm was on the scrolls for the spells, Rdm was taken off the scrolls for the spells - said spells on the scrolls were taken away from Rdm. You're arguing semantics at this point.

I really can't make it any simpler than this for you.

The response was to the statement - 'spells aren't taken away'

Me: 2 spells have been taken away in the past.

You: that's not true, they weren't taken away, Rdm was removed from being able to learn the spells.

Me: Yea, that's called being taken away.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

I really can't make it any simpler than this for you.

The response was to the statement - 'spells aren't taken away'

Me: 2 spells have been taken away in the past.

You: that's not true, they weren't taken away, Rdm was removed from being able to learn the spells.

Me: Yea, that's called being taken away.

The poster is clearly just after being rude and stroking his ego, I wouldn't bother.

[Kristal]

I've mentioned it before: RDM and SCH are NOT going to get Cure V. They will get Curasa instead. WHM will get it and Curaja (aoe version). I only hope it's added at an earlier level then 96...

Would be nice if someone from SE would actually come in and lift the sheets on this though...