The debate-free Poll.

[Zatias]

Wall of text hurts ; ;

My priority: Magic Utility > Melee improvement

Magic Priority: Healing > Enhancing > Enfeebling > Nuking

• Healing: Red Mage has problems healing these days. It is not an issue of MP, rather an issue of potency and enmity yanking. They need a stronger cure; at this point I don't care if it's Cure V or not, but we really need an improvement.
• Enhancing: Most of our enhancing spells are lackluster and only self-target. We need better enhancements to support our allies to really earn spots in parties.
• Enfeebling: Many endgame NMs are extremely resistant or straight-out immune to our enfeebles, making them a waste of time and MP to cast. This needs to be addressed.
• Nuking: Our nukes are already somewhat decent with the proper gear, but another tier of MAB wouldn't hurt. I can understand no T5s being available to RDM, but maybe a RDM-specific nuke would be cool.

Melee Priority: Weaponskill access
Giving RDM access to more powerful weaponskills (Vorpal Blade) would be fun to play around with when soloing. It wouldn't break the game for sure, and it wouldn't encourage RDMs to go up and feed TP to a difficult NM.


That's my vote: for magical upgrades; not entirely AGAINST melee upgrades but would rather have the magic improvements over it.

I hope you don't consider me giving reasons to why as "debating".

[Crimson_Slasher]

Noted greatguardian, i guess people dont understand cooperation, or following directions. I wasnt looking for people to side with which updates they wanted or were okay with, but if they felt they could see red mage melee updates as socially acceptable, but then again its a popular mindset in general to try to take down the origional poster in a topic like this as some sort of achievement. In this respect its clear that there are far too many antagonizers that do not want to try to compromise, and do not want to try to show any etiquette online. Among them are those like yourself whom presume that this has destroyed any credibility. Conversely you predictibly waited till such an outburst from myself that you could step in and cry "I told you so" with a smug grin of satisfaction. So rather than contribute or offer any constructive threads, topics, or statements, you have simply proven toxic to this and many other topics, which more than my credibility has been wounded, has placed yours on questionable foundation.

As to you zatias, adding you to any improvement, thankyou for your polite, collected, and nonconfrontational post.
In parting remarks, i will leave this poll here, and continue to update it's count, but i will nolonger humor any responses directed at myself or the game which i care about. Have a nice day.

[Seriha]

Only issue with this is you have people that haven't even got RDM to 45 coming in and voting "No" just because they can.

Polls are useless in that sense.

Or Cid could link the thread on BG and possible results get skewed just because they wanna be their usual selves.

[Javarr]

I will admit, I only recently came back to RDM, but when I started in FFXI, I was an RDM.

Personally, I would like to see the following parts addressed:

A: RDM Enfeebling: If SE would stop handing out Ribbons to all their mobs, that would be nice. (Cudos to anyone that gets the old FF reference)

B: RDM Support / Healing: Sure we get some of the best buffs in the game and with /SCH, it allows us to use some of them with greater efficiency, but our healing side suffers greatly. Back Pre-Abyssea, Cure IV was alright, but now, even outside of Abyssea, it's a drop in the bucket.

C: RDM Melee: Even with the community seeming to be stuck in the old mindset of "TP feed" or "You can't melee and keep a buff/debuff/healing cycle", this is gonna be a hard sell. Access to even some of the better melee gear (Not asking for a bloody Halby here) and other weapon skills like Vorpal Blade would help a lot. Like I used to say back in the day, our AF weapon is a sword, let us use it.

So to rap all this up:

Enhancements to RDM Enfeebling: Yes
Enhancements to RDM Support / Healing: Yes
Enhancements to RDM Melee: Yes

[cidbahamut]

Or Cid could link the thread on BG and possible results get skewed just because they wanna be their usual selves.

Say what now? I think you've got me mixed up with someone else.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Or Cid could link the thread on BG and possible results get skewed just because they wanna be their usual selves.

Personally the fault is in the concept of only buffing one area of a Hybrid.

[Yamimarik44]

I have to go with buff to Melee and Mage aspect of Red mage, it's a hybrid SE needs to fix it as such.

[Greatguardian]

Say what now? I think you've got me mixed up with someone else.

I think he got you mixed up with me.

And most, if not all, of the BG posters that actually bother with the RDM forums here are RDM75+ who have played the job for an extremely long time and actually care about it. We post because we care about Red Mage, not because we enjoy dealing with this subforum.

[Scuro]

ITT: OP creates "debate-free poll", then debates more than anyone else in the thread. Called it from page 1.

When you create a poll with an inherently flawed pretext, as well as a flawed polling option, you're going to get called out on it. You didn't make the poll "I am interested in more Melee updates" vs "I am interested in more Magic updates", you tried to make it "I am okay with Melee updates" vs "I will kick you in the head if you update Melee because I'm a jackass". Not only does that antagonize the entire community, but it yanks away what little credibility (read: none) that you might have had.

a lot of you guys are missing the key point here. in his hypothetical he's saying whatever mage update would happen, happens no matter what. so you can't vote "for' mage side. since that happens no matter what anyone says. so in the world of sunshine and fairies where rdm mage is gonna be totally fine no matter what, would you also like melee with that? i know i would.

but i also agree with the general sentiment that this thread is gonna be flamebait.. i'm amazed it isn't already.

The only reason why nobody else is posting in here that isn't a RDM, is because the answer from the main page is obviously the sentiment many of us have. So truly no point. I'm not going to cast a vote because I am not a true RDM, I'm just stating why I haven't posted anything and I'm sure why others haven't, because its only saying what we all have been saying that DD RDM is a thing of the past or solo play.

[Septimus]

I think he got you mixed up with me.

And most, if not all, of the BG posters that actually bother with the RDM forums here are RDM75+ who have played the job for an extremely long time and actually care about it. We post because we care about Red Mage, not because we enjoy dealing with this subforum.

Hey like me! RDM was my first job to 75 all the way back in 2004 before CoP was released.

I am going to go the debate-free route and just say this: no, I do not want to see RDM melee improvements.