The debate-free Poll.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Your concern is recognized, however the only way debate will form in this poll is through posts like your own, if you do not wish to cast a vote, please do not post in here, and please avoid any posts otherwise, this is not the place for them.

Only issue with this is you have people that haven't even got RDM to 45 coming in and voting "No" just because they can.

Polls are useless in that sense.

[saevel]

Your concern is recognized, however the only way debate will form in this poll is through posts like your own, if you do not wish to cast a vote, please do not post in here, and please avoid any posts otherwise, this is not the place for them.

You created debate the moment you hit "submit". This is a web forum, debates, arguments, and flame wars happen on web forums, you won't change that with a disclaimer.

As has been mentioned, you also have people who either don't have the job leveled or who only have it as "one of their 90s" posting. To them, they couldn't care less about the job, they only see one of their "cure" people trying to melee.

You even went to such lengths to state that RDM would still get the "mage" updates, and yet people still went to the "don't melee whatever you do" side.

[Crimson_Slasher]

Its true that I havent checked everyone's jobs, however it is their right to make their descision, like it or not, they are free to vote, and even if they dont like what i or others think, they are still entitled to this choice. That said do you have any proof as to players not having the job leveled? I dont so im taking it at face value. Secondly if i wanted to only skew the results to create false melee support, i wouldnt have posed it this way but instead would have posted it as "Please post here if you would like to see melee updates, all against will be ignored" but i did not. Dont like my methods? Dont post here, and please stop distracting the other voters. Thankyou.

[saevel]

Its true that I havent checked everyone's jobs, however it is their right to make their descision, like it or not, they are free to vote, and even if they dont like what i or others think, they are still entitled to this choice. That said do you have any proof as to players not having the job leveled? I dont so im taking it at face value. Secondly if i wanted to only skew the results to create false melee support, i wouldnt have posed it this way but instead would have posted it as "Please post here if you would like to see melee updates, all against will be ignored" but i did not. Dont like my methods? Dont post here, and please stop distracting the other voters. Thankyou.

*Cough*

And at which point in time did you become a Mod or CR?

Ohh right you aren't and thus can not organize a damn thing.

Here let me predict the outcome of this "poll" (its not a poll btw).

Tons of anti-RDM-melee people jumping in, most common comment will be "rdm's aren't supposed to melee", eventually it'll become a flame war in a dozen pages or so. This has played out on every forum for the past 7 years, nothing here will chance this.

[Crimson_Slasher]

I see you are contributing to keeping this poll clean. Thankyou for your thoughts, concerns, and statements, but i will nolonger indulge you in further responses in this poll thread. Thankyou for your time, have a nice day Saevel.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Its true that I havent checked everyone's jobs, however it is their right to make their descision, like it or not, they are free to vote, and even if they dont like what i or others think, they are still entitled to this choice. That said do you have any proof as to players not having the job leveled? I dont so im taking it at face value. Secondly if i wanted to only skew the results to create false melee support, i wouldnt have posed it this way but instead would have posted it as "Please post here if you would like to see melee updates, all against will be ignored" but i did not. Dont like my methods? Dont post here, and please stop distracting the other voters. Thankyou.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Free+Poll+Creator

There you go, this is a web forum, not a polling website it's open to opinions if you don't want it as that use the link I provided and do one of those sites to create a poll.

[Crimson_Slasher]

Valid statement or not a thread would need to be created just to share said poll, and with things like proxies, passing the link to friends, and further abuses, the poll would suffer even more biast results as individuals would be able to skew things further by multi-voting, and while this is a forum for discussion, this thread ive requested not be used for such so we can have a less skewed list, as individuals need linked accounts to use the forum. I thankyou for offering an alternate option but i had considered it earlier and felt it too flawed, not to mention silly when the players are less likely to click a random link on a forum, let alone read/vote upon it, and the devs are even less likely than that to read it. There are no rules as to my knowledge to limit textual polls in these forums. Thankyou for your time, further responses from you also will not be responded to by me personally. Thankyou for your time, and your sarcastic attempt at assisting/hindering this poll. Have a nice day.

[cidbahamut]

This poll is for that reason, that said, thankyou Cid, your vote has been marked, please avoid any further comments about how the development team may or may not work, it is not your nor my place to attempt to sway voters. Thankyou.

It's not how it "may or may not work", it is exactly how it works. Do you understand the concept of a man-hour?

[Crimson_Slasher]

Fine i will bite cid, do YOU understand the concept of how a single "Man-hour" is not an increment of work done, but time taken to complete a task? Further do you carry the developer schedules, employee listing and their list of tasks to be completed? You do not. Be aware, the development team is not the admin team, and is not the server moderation team. More to this point, the dev team is not even the forum team, as such they are not inconvenianced with reading the forums, managing the performance of the server, or policing it, these are all separate divisions, further, it is a development "team". As such more than one person is working at one time, and while coding is intensive, time consuming, and generally frustrating, they do have the options to implement retroactive patches, and in between sessions of updates individuals may be delegated to perform certain tasks related to existing or far later projected updates. In the span of an average work week in the united states (40 hours) then subtracting distractions such as breaks, eating, restroom use, and other general non work related activites, we can assume 30+ hours is availble to directly work on content adjustment per person, and even at minimum we can guess there are 3 or more individuals. So we can assume there are 3 or more men or women in an office, spending 30 hours or more per week adjusting these game mechanics. Factor in saved time from grafting existing code when possible, and even with a strict update schedule, there is always room for these new ideas to recieve attention, be brought to the table, examined and evaluated for their time intensiveness versus their budgeted time and decide if said aspect can be implemented within said timeframe. But at the end of the day, it is far less likely that they will remove an otherwise intended improvement to make room for another one if it risks the project not being released on time. That said, thankyou once again for attempting to derail this topic and taking the time to question if i understand how work load is measured against someone charged with performing a job.

In summary, no, development man hours are not "limited" because they are not lumped into an actual timeframe and as has been seen before, supplemental updates CAN be released following the main update. The only limitation toward development of the game and its mechanics are in server space, client capacity, and how quickly the developments are implemented.

[Greatguardian]

ITT: OP creates "debate-free poll", then debates more than anyone else in the thread. Called it from page 1.

When you create a poll with an inherently flawed pretext, as well as a flawed polling option, you're going to get called out on it. You didn't make the poll "I am interested in more Melee updates" vs "I am interested in more Magic updates", you tried to make it "I am okay with Melee updates" vs "I will kick you in the head if you update Melee because I'm a jackass". Not only does that antagonize the entire community, but it yanks away what little credibility (read: none) that you might have had.