The debate-free Poll.

[Seriha]

Only issue with this is you have people that haven't even got RDM to 45 coming in and voting "No" just because they can.

Polls are useless in that sense.

Or Cid could link the thread on BG and possible results get skewed just because they wanna be their usual selves.

[Javarr]

I will admit, I only recently came back to RDM, but when I started in FFXI, I was an RDM.

Personally, I would like to see the following parts addressed:

A: RDM Enfeebling: If SE would stop handing out Ribbons to all their mobs, that would be nice. (Cudos to anyone that gets the old FF reference)

B: RDM Support / Healing: Sure we get some of the best buffs in the game and with /SCH, it allows us to use some of them with greater efficiency, but our healing side suffers greatly. Back Pre-Abyssea, Cure IV was alright, but now, even outside of Abyssea, it's a drop in the bucket.

C: RDM Melee: Even with the community seeming to be stuck in the old mindset of "TP feed" or "You can't melee and keep a buff/debuff/healing cycle", this is gonna be a hard sell. Access to even some of the better melee gear (Not asking for a bloody Halby here) and other weapon skills like Vorpal Blade would help a lot. Like I used to say back in the day, our AF weapon is a sword, let us use it.

So to rap all this up:

Enhancements to RDM Enfeebling: Yes
Enhancements to RDM Support / Healing: Yes
Enhancements to RDM Melee: Yes

[cidbahamut]

Or Cid could link the thread on BG and possible results get skewed just because they wanna be their usual selves.

Say what now? I think you've got me mixed up with someone else.

[Greatguardian]

Say what now? I think you've got me mixed up with someone else.

I think he got you mixed up with me.

And most, if not all, of the BG posters that actually bother with the RDM forums here are RDM75+ who have played the job for an extremely long time and actually care about it. We post because we care about Red Mage, not because we enjoy dealing with this subforum.

[Septimus]

I think he got you mixed up with me.

And most, if not all, of the BG posters that actually bother with the RDM forums here are RDM75+ who have played the job for an extremely long time and actually care about it. We post because we care about Red Mage, not because we enjoy dealing with this subforum.

Hey like me! RDM was my first job to 75 all the way back in 2004 before CoP was released.

I am going to go the debate-free route and just say this: no, I do not want to see RDM melee improvements.

[Seriha]

Say what now? I think you've got me mixed up with someone else.

It all starts to blur after a while. Either way, you don't see us running to Alla or other portions of this board demanding people come shut the mage only retards up or to mass report people who dare have a differing opinion. It's hard to take people who claim to love a job seriously when they'd gleefully gut an aspect of it (See your agreement to nerfing Composure...) if only because it wasn't good enough to begin with. No, if you loved a job, you'd want more people playing it, eking out every last ounce of potential it had. The commentary accompanying some of the negative replies here reeks more of a grudge than genuine concern for RDM.

[Greatguardian]

It all starts to blur after a while. Either way, you don't see us running to Alla or other portions of this board demanding people come shut the mage only retards up or to mass report people who dare have a differing opinion. It's hard to take people who claim to love a job seriously when they'd gleefully gut an aspect of it (See your agreement to nerfing Composure...) if only because it wasn't good enough to begin with. No, if you loved a job, you'd want more people playing it, eking out every last ounce of potential it had. The commentary accompanying some of the negative replies here reeks more of a grudge than genuine concern for RDM.

I love Corsair.

At the same time, I LOVE that practically no one plays Corsair.

Why? Because the few people who take the time and spend the massive amount of gil it takes to properly play Corsair are generally invested in the job to the point where they're actually going to put effort into being good at it. Practically every Corsair who posts in the Corsair subforums has an Armageddon. Those forums are great. There's less activity, but the posts that do get put up there are solid. The Devs give us some of the updates that we ask for, and they don't give us others. Either way, we love the ones we got, and you don't see any Corsairs running around raging on every board to get attention.

No. Loving a job has nothing to do with wanting it to be "popular" and having lots of people play it. Just because I love Rdm doesn't mean anyone else should. I don't just play each of my jobs to their max potential, I play the whole game to its potential. I maximize the Magical aspect of my Red Mage because that's the aspect I would use Red Mage for. I don't need to worry about the melee aspect because I have plenty of melee jobs who can do it better.

And you know what, I didn't demand that anyone go anywhere or post anything. I linked to this thread because I knew it was going to be a trainwreck, and the OP was so hilariously misguided that it fit within the topic of the thread I posted it in (being, funny/stupid crap on the Official Forums).

BG is not my personal army, nor is it anyone else'. Regardless of what you might think, I'm just not that cool.

[saevel]

It all starts to blur after a while. Either way, you don't see us running to Alla or other portions of this board demanding people come shut the mage only retards up or to mass report people who dare have a differing opinion. It's hard to take people who claim to love a job seriously when they'd gleefully gut an aspect of it (See your agreement to nerfing Composure...) if only because it wasn't good enough to begin with. No, if you loved a job, you'd want more people playing it, eking out every last ounce of potential it had. The commentary accompanying some of the negative replies here reeks more of a grudge than genuine concern for RDM.

Actual real RDM's would want buffs to all aspects of the job, which includes melee buffs. A RDM without melee is a WHM-2 or a SCH-1 depending on who you ask. Heck with SCH getting Embrava their the ones making "demi-gods" out of their party members. Have you guys seen what Embrava does?

50hp/tick 5tp/tick +25% Haste, lasts 12~15 min, can be aoe'd on anyone you can cast haste on. That's right, a single SCH can supercharge six parties, we did up to 4 parties inside WoE last night. That single spell just altered how we do zerg style NM fights, now we're stacking Embrava with our SV BRD rotations and PD rotations.

SCH is now officially better party support then RDM and BRD is the better enfeebler. The BRD version of addle is more potent then ours, similar to how their elegy is more portent the our slow, thankfully they all stack. So now RDM is second if not third enfeebler, considering SCH can aoe their enfeebles. Melee ability and Refresh II is the only thing making RDM different from a gimp WHM, BLM or SCH. That and Dia III, which is made of total awesomesauce.

Nice lecture about "right to have vote counted", you never recorded my name near the melee or "both" list, since their essentially the exact same.

And yeah Seriha, it's why I can't stand BG, good wiki absolutely horrible community. They honestly think they represent the entire game population and fully expected the servers to shut down after lots of them were banned.

[cidbahamut]

Actual real RDM's would want buffs to all aspects of the job, which includes melee buffs.

No true Scotsman etc, etc.