On Red Mage melee...

[Rayik]

It's really not that hard to do. Basically, instead of standing in the back going through your line of spell macros, you can be up front engaged with the mob, and going through the same line of spell macros. RDM can deal damage, but not nearly enough to draw any attention away from the tank or other DD's. Just watch out for AoE's and keep an eye on your dialogue box for when buffs/debuffs wear off. Again, nowadays it's a moot point since people don't want anyone feeding TP to the mob.

I think a lot of us sort of lost sight for a long time in this thread. It's not about keeping up with dedicated, specialized DD's; it ain't gonna happen. The damage a RDM deals is secondary, like one long DoT. If RDM were able to even partially hold a candle to normal DD's damage-wise, the job would be beyond broken. RDM fills a jack-of-all-trades role, and can make everyone in the party's lives easier if played well. Nowadays nobody wants a hybrid though, everyone wants all specialists all the time.

[wish12oz]

Again, nowadays it's a moot point since people don't want anyone feeding TP to the mob.

I don't recall a time when this statement wasn't true on anything decently difficult. It's not some new thing, its the way it's always been, you shouldn't imply it's new with your choice of words.

I think a lot of us sort of lost sight for a long time in this thread. It's not about keeping up with dedicated, specialized DD's; it ain't gonna happen.

Your buddies say they can do it with sub par gear, maybe you're just bad at FFXI!
(or maybe they're just kidding themselves lol)

[Rayik]

I don't recall a time when this statement wasn't true on anything decently difficult. It's not some new thing, its the way it's always been, you shouldn't imply it's new with your choice of words.

Thank you for deciding what I'm allowed to say, but really, I'll imply whatever I damn well please. In my experience, I have only started hearing about parties worrying about TP feed when Abyssea came out. Mobs have had TP moves since the beginning, but I honestly never heard so much worry about it. Before Abyssea, when a NM did a TP move, we just recovered and kept fighting. Wasn't such a big deal before.

Your buddies say they can do it with sub par gear, maybe you're just bad at FFXI!
(or maybe they're just kidding themselves lol)

Ok, you lost me. Are you saying I'm wrong because as a melee RDM I'm not deluded enough to think I could compete with a DD, or am I supposed to be doing the same damage as a dedicated DD? Troll fail.

[wish12oz]

Thank you for deciding what I'm allowed to say, but really, I'll imply whatever I damn well please.

You can say whatever you want, but that doesn't mean you're right. I just assumed you were not some noob who didn't do anything before the level cap increase, guess I was wrong. People did not bring a bunch of melees to hard HNMs or ones with annoying TP moves and just melee the crap out of them, like Tiamat, Khim, Fafhogg, Sandworm, etc. I'm sorry you never got to do this kind of stuff at 75, but now you know so you can stop thinking this is some kind of new thing.

Ok, you lost me. Are you saying I'm wrong because as a melee RDM I'm not deluded enough to think I could compete with a DD, or am I supposed to be doing the same damage as a dedicated DD? Troll fail.

I won actually, I used what you said to reinforce my earlier comments about how RDM doesn't do very good melee damage. And I'm doing it again right now!

[Rayik]

You can say whatever you want, but that doesn't mean you're right. I just assumed you were not some noob who didn't do anything before the level cap increase, guess I was wrong. People did not bring a bunch of melees to hard HNMs or ones with annoying TP moves and just melee the crap out of them, like Tiamat, Khim, Fafhogg, Sandworm, etc. I'm sorry you never got to do this kind of stuff at 75, but now you know so you can stop thinking this is some kind of new thing.

You got me there, I never did things like land kings, sandworm, etc. Just never interested me. I play on console with limited play time, so camping things for days on end was out of reach for my play style. I mostly just did Dynamis and quests/missions before Abyssea.

I won actually, I used what you said to reinforce my earlier comments about how RDM doesn't do very good melee damage. And I'm doing it again right now!

Is English not your first language? What part of my past 4 statements about RDM damage have you not understood? I wasn't joking, you really did lose me. I don't understand what you're getting at. I've been saying over and over how RDM at the moment only contribute to damage, and cannot hold a candle to true DD damage. What's your point?