On Red Mage melee...

[wish12oz]

N sash gains 2 haste and 10 attack over swift belt, thats a pretty big increase. Compared to just speed belt you only gain 6 attack, but its still 6 attack you wouldnt otherwise have! Saying its not a big deal or gimp is just kind of wrong.

[Neisan_Quetz]

It also happens to be the best belt for Rdm meleeing.

[Hyrist]

What, you suddenly don't want to parse?

This is the argument I believe you guys can't answer:


"I've seen so many subpar "accepted DD" it's not even funny. Yet, the way you present things, it's a sin for RDM to even try, because "it's not possible", while it's okay for a "accepted DD class" player to try to improve the way they play?"

No, I still want to see where my set measures up, mainly my TP set, however. You guys are posting some of the best gear for that level, with feint acceptions off of 20hr + (H)NMs that nobody camps anymore, or calling yourset gimp when you're wearing drops off mobs that were impossible to get without SE suddenly patching to correct the 'mistake'.

And you even went as far as calling Starfox's gear for what he wore gimp and I'm not even up to THAT level. So no, I want the comparison. If we're going to start calling pieces of gear you'd likley not replace ever at 75 gimp, then we need to know what 'not gimp is'. Cause I can tell you right now, I'd love to have some of the pieces you're toting around insulting yourselves over.

What you guys care about, and what I do, are completely different things. I'm aiming to push the performance of a neglected aspect of my job class to it's limits. You're telling me what those limits are without testing, and questioning those who have tested.

So, let's test!

[Neisan_Quetz]

Aside from N Sash standing in for V belt (could go down to Swift if you're going to complain that much about it...), I don't see anything unusual about Kamugi's Sam's gearset for a Sam in good gear. Heck, no bushi and no Justice torque.

[Aurara]

N sash gains 2 haste and 10 attack over swift belt, thats a pretty big increase. Compared to just speed belt you only gain 6 attack, but its still 6 attack you wouldnt otherwise have! Saying its not a big deal or gimp is just kind of wrong.

You know what i meant :P

[Hyrist]

Same problem here though, no Love Torque or elemntal gorgets to speak of. Hell I don't even have Palwhan gear, whicih is some of the better 75 Dex pieces available to RDM. (feet in particular) (Farming the items, just being slow about it due to taking time for LS ventures.)

It was one of the hurtles I mentioned earlier. It's hard to get help for the gear. It's an uphill climb to ask for help to get gear and entire section of the player base dosen't want you to use. That's a deeply ingrained flaw in the game design.

I'm just pointing out the perspective differences here. You guys are quick to insult yourselves, let alone anyone with outside the accessibility you have.

[wish12oz]

Anything short of mandau rdm with perfect gear isnt going to come within 50% of a real melee who is decent, like my SAM. This is the only point Im going to illustrate to you since you seem to think a gimp rdm can do 80% of what a half decent SAM can do. Whats going to happen, is we're going to go out there, youre going to do like 5-15% of the total damage, and then Im going to end this mistaken belief that at 75 RDMs could do 80% of what a competent SAM was capable of.

BTW, here's what you should be using:
mandau/dunno/that acc+str ranged item from the demon NM in castle z
wala turban, pcc, suppa, brutal
goliard body, dusk gloves+1, mars ring, rajas
cerb+1, ninurtas, shantototo pants with 3 haste, dusk boots+1
with pizza.

With this set for TP and a good WS set, you might do half what a decent SAM could do. What that other guy was wearing wouldnt come close.
EDIT: When I make the statement above ^ I'm speaking from experience, because I had melee sets for RDM that I used in campaign all the time, and even tried on ITs and HNMs and weak stuff like dynamis. RDM doesn't do anything compared to any of my DD jobs.

[Supersun]

Which ring is that Aurara...

[Aurara]

Which ring is what? its a flame ring.

[Supersun]

Just checking since I know another lvl 75 ring that looks like that which would be totally unfair to use in this test XD