On Red Mage melee...

[Aurara]

I don't think you're reading what I'm actually typing, and again, are trying to poke holes in my argument to make it seem as if I'm the one who is "dumb" or wrong. This whole time have I belittled you guys at all? no, not really. I read what you guys posted, and all you do is come out at me swinging, saying how I'm wrong, and that "RDM is capable of meleeing" I'm not disagreeing, but i really think you have no idea what buffing melee rdm would do, literally nothing. People would still melee in mage gear, not swapping gear for enfeebs, cures, buffs, etc(which is a large portion of the job itself, since it has a great enhancing skill lvl as well as enfeeb). You are not factoring in the extra TP feed that you are giving the mob, not accounting for how many TP moves can actually 1 shot, or nearly kill DDs from full HP, what on earth makes you think you will survive these TP moves? You certainly wont, unless you bring PDT/MDT sets, which would mean even more gear to carry around on TOP of your enfeebling/curing/haste/enhancing/MND sets, i struggle to get 75/80 inventory slots on RDM, and thats WITHOUT MDT/melee set.

[ManaKing]

I don't think you're reading what I'm actually typing, and again, are trying to poke holes in my argument to make it seem as if I'm the one who is "dumb" or wrong. This whole time have I belittled you guys at all? no, not really. I read what you guys posted, and all you do is come out at me swinging, saying how I'm wrong, and that "RDM is capable of meleeing" I'm not disagreeing, but i really think you have no idea what buffing melee rdm would do, literally nothing. People would still melee in mage gear, not swapping gear for enfeebs, cures, buffs, etc(which is a large portion of the job itself, since it has a great enhancing skill lvl as well as enfeeb). You are not factoring in the extra TP feed that you are giving the mob, not accounting for how many TP moves can actually 1 shot, or nearly kill DDs from full HP, what on earth makes you think you will survive these TP moves? You certainly wont, unless you bring PDT/MDT sets, which would mean even more gear to carry around on TOP of your enfeebling/curing/haste/enhancing/MND sets, i struggle to get 75/80 inventory slots on RDM, and thats WITHOUT MDT/melee set.

LOL REALLY?

RDM is one of the toughest jobs in the game. The only reason we aren't sitting pretty like a DNC, THF, and NIN is because we don't have decent evasion. We can't just put on some ok gear and make mobs miss 90% or their hits.

Lol im not sure if you are aware of this, but we have phallanx, ^_^;. Just because we can give it to others doesn't mean we can't cast in on ourselves.

When I melee I don't even bother with /NIN because Stoneskin is amazing on RDM. If you have all the gear required for it you can easily boost Stone Skin over the potency of Cure IV.

When I'm fighting actual NMs that will 1 Shot DDs. It is usually the DDs that get one shot and I'm usually the one standing. And the funny thing is, if the reason that the mob is 1 shotting someone is magic, then I'm still not going to die. Magic Defense Bonus + Barspells + Phallanx + Stoneskin + Blink. Sorry you couldn't see what was obviously there because it's not for you.

I'm also sorry that RDM have to work for their gear to be good. But we do. If you've seen more RDM that were bad. They probably had crap gear. Horribly sorry we didnt get included on any of the easy to get gear sets that we could have been included on.

[Aurara]

LOL REALLY?

RDM is one of the toughest jobs in the game. The only reason we aren't sitting pretty like a DNC, THF, and NIN is because we don't have decent evasion. We can't just put on some ok gear and make mobs miss 90% or their hits.

RDM isnt difficult, it's a VERY busy job, but not difficult. Here you go attacking me without a good argument because i showed how your argument was faulty.

Lol im not sure if you are aware of this, but we have phallanx, ^_^;. Just because we can give it to others doesn't mean we can't cast in on ourselves.

I'm very much aware we have phalanx, it is a very powerful spell, but it can only do so much...

When I melee I don't even bother with /NIN because Stoneskin is amazing on RDM. If you have all the gear required for it you can easily boost Stone Skin over the potency of Cure IV.

When I'm fighting actual NMs that will 1 Shot DDs. It is usually the DDs that get one shot and I'm usually the one standing. And the funny thing is, if the reason that the mob is 1 shotting someone is magic, then I'm still not going to die. Magic Defense Bonus + Barspells + Phallanx + Stoneskin + Blink. Sorry you couldn't see what was obviously there because it's not for you.

So you're saying if you were meleeing you wouldnt cure yourself? Cause max SS rdm gets is 350+30+30+20+20=450 SS, and if the spell/TP move does more, your SS is broken also, MDT does jack if the TP move is physical, and barspells dont reduce dmg, they increase your chance to resist, and if you resist your dmg is reduced, also blink isnt that reliable.

I'm also sorry that RDM have to work for their gear to be good. But we do. If you've seen more RDM that were bad. They probably had crap gear. Horribly sorry we didnt get included on any of the easy to get gear sets that we could have been included on.

See, by this you're assuming my rdm gear is poor, or that gear for rdm in general is hard to get, which it can be for some, but for the most part it isn't hard.

[ManaKing]

@Aurara

Tough = having good defense, not being difficult to play.

With a decent PDT set we are almost impossible to 1 shot. The only thing that is harder to 1 Shot is a PLD. And im not saying we are supposed to tank. I'm just saying that any kind of TP move we are supposed to be worried about is AOE. Put up Stone skin, watch other members of your alliance drop like flies.

The amount of effort a RDM has to put in to acquire good gear past 75, WHICH IS WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IN THIS THREAD, is several times hard than most jobs. We get teal. Teal is great for a caster. It is garbage for a melee. AF3 is garbage to melee in as well. Almost nothing in our AF3 addresses our melee.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

not being difficult to play.

No job is difficult to play.

[ManaKing]

No job is difficult to play.

Agreed, I'm saying that RDM die less easily to 1 shots than other jobs.

[Aurara]

Agreed, I'm saying that RDM die less easily to 1 shots than other jobs.

I know this, I have solo'd/tanked multiple things on rdm, and have friends who have tanked the same if not more stuff than myself. What you don't get is, the buffs you guys are asking for are absolutely ridiculous, and overpowered.