On Red Mage melee...

[Aurara]

Except you are not a melee DD, you will NEVER toutch a melee DD's dmg. Here, let me put together a haste set for you:
Almace/Sent shield/aureole
Zelus/PCC/Brutal/Suppa
Goliard/Dusk Gloves/Rajas/Acc
Cuch/Goading belt/3% haste/7 acc ASA legs/Dusk
RDM/WAR, spamming CDC

This will not out dmg a:
Ukon war, kannagi nin vereth mnk almace pld, twashtar thf or dng gandiva rng, armageddon corsair, or most other emp DDs.

You WILL NOT contribute dmg, in fact you will be detrimental to the party, as you are neglecting your RDM duties to melee, and feed a mob stupid amounts of TP that are just not needed.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

If you are only here to tell people they're wrong then you could just not bother posting.

RDM'S KNOW THEY ARE NOT DD's THIS IS THE POINT OF THE THREAD - THEY ARE NOT SAYING THEY CAN, THEY ARE ASKING TO BE ABLE TO DD IN SOME FORM TO DO PART OF WHAT WAS ADVERTISED OF RDM AND IS STILL ADVERTISED OF RDM EVEN TO THIS DAY.

Get it?
Got it?
I severely doubt it.

Thank you and good day!

[Aurara]

You don't get it do you? I'm not saying "OMG MELEE RDM IS TERRIBLE NEVER DO IT" I'm saying do it when things don't matter, like messing with friends in an xp alliance, or farming lights/time. It's useless on big NMs when you're doing nothing more than feeding extra TP that the pt doesnt need to deal with.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

You don't get it do you? I'm not saying "OMG MELEE RDM IS TERRIBLE NEVER DO IT" I'm saying do it when things don't matter, like messing with friends in an xp alliance, or farming lights/time. It's useless on big NMs when you're doing nothing more than feeding extra TP that the pt doesnt need to deal with.

No one in this thread, or at least myself personally wouldn't melee on NM's where little TP feeding is advised in the same way a THF doesn't outside of Abyssea after getting capped TH, nor on something where I'd focus entirely on a different job, IE Enhancing, Debuffing or so on.

That said, people have a right to be able to ask for what was advertised when they leveled the job in the beginning, in the same way if something was advertised on a box and didn't come included you'd want a refund or otherwise.

Some things that are asked for are crazily over-powered so of course SE wouldn't add them, but they can still add something, if nothing else that gives RDM it's unique back again because as it stands we have nothing.

Heal/Enhance - I'll play as WHM
Nuke - BLM or SCH
Sword DD - BLU or PLD
Other DD - any off the other countless DD's

Even enfeebling RDM does not do best, now I get they're a "jack of all trades, master of none" but they shouldn't be 100% worse than every other job including being beaten in melee DMG by a WHM who are not meant to melee.

[ManaKing]

You don't get it do you? I'm not saying "OMG MELEE RDM IS TERRIBLE NEVER DO IT" I'm saying do it when things don't matter, like messing with friends in an xp alliance, or farming lights/time. It's useless on big NMs when you're doing nothing more than feeding extra TP that the pt doesnt need to deal with.

IT MATTERS TO US THAT WE CAN MELEE WHEN IT MATTERS. YOU HAVE JUST INSULTED THE ENTIRE ROOM.

STFU AND GTFO OF THE THREAD THAT IS ABOUT MAKING RDM MELEE VIABLE. WE DON'T WANT YOUR OPINION THAT RDM, CURRENTLY, IS BAD AT MELEE. WE KNOW. THANKS FOR NOT READING THE PREMISE OF THE THREAD AND WASTING PEOPLE'S TIME.

[Aurara]

IT MATTERS TO US THAT WE CAN MELEE WHEN IT MATTERS. YOU HAVE JUST INSULTED THE ENTIRE ROOM.

STFU AND GTFO OF THE THREAD THAT IS ABOUT MAKING RDM MELEE VIABLE. WE DON'T WANT YOUR OPINION THAT RDM, CURRENTLY, IS BAD AT MELEE. WE KNOW. THANKS FOR NOT READING THE PREMISE OF THE THREAD AND WASTING PEOPLE'S TIME.

Here you go again, attacking me because you have no bases for an argument, I even told you to melee if you really wanted to, but know it's not efficient.

[ManaKing]

Here you go again, attacking me because you have no bases for an argument, I even told you to melee if you really wanted to, but know it's not efficient.

And I'm saying you are an idiot that doesn't read even the premise of the thread before posting. The point of this thread is to improve melee on RDM so that it is desirable in a party setting that matters. Since you clearly don't understand that I'm just going to assume you are yet another troll/idiot that wandered in here.

[Aurara]

And I'm saying you are an idiot that doesn't read even the premise of the thread before posting. The point of this thread is to improve melee on RDM so that it is desirable in a party setting that matters. Since you clearly don't understand that I'm just going to assume you are yet another troll/idiot that wandered in here.

You don't get it, I'm not here to make fun of you, or call you names(like you are calling me), if I was here to troll I dont think i'd be trying to understand your point of view, but how am I supposed to take you seriously if all you do is call me a troll/idiot when our ideas conflict? You want it to be desirable in a party setting, I get it, but what you dont get is that in order for that to happen, they would need to give RDM ridiculous buffs.

[Doombringer]

Here you go again, attacking me because you have no bases for an argument, I even told you to melee if you really wanted to, but know it's not efficient.

it's like talking to a brick... we aren't discussing rdm melee NOW. we're discussing what rdm melee SHOULD BE. the only people that ever talk about rdm melee NOW is people like you, who pop in to derail the thread, and ppl that get tricked into taking that bait.

unless the next thing you type is some melee related change to the job or the game, don't type it. you're just missing the point and pissing people off. if you continue to type things that have nothing to do with the intent of the thread, we can all just safely assume you're trolling us.

it's not efficient, the tone of every one of your posts has been "don't bother" or "it'd be op" really? it goes from useless, or less than useless, harmful as you've put it.. to overpowered? there is no middle ground? my 15$ a month doesn't pay someones salary whose job it is, is to figure that shit out?

we should just give up and all quit rdm? cuz i've been thinking about it for quite a while.... and i know many others who have. problem for me is, no job plays like what i was sold when i first bought ffxi. so i might just have to quit ffxi.

[Aurara]

it's like talking to a brick... we aren't discussing rdm melee NOW. we're discussing what rdm melee SHOULD BE. the only people that ever talk about rdm melee NOW is people like you, who pop in to derail the thread, and ppl that get tricked into taking that bait.

unless the next thing you type is some melee related change to the job or the game, don't type it. you're just missing the point and pissing people off. if you continue to type things that have nothing to do with the intent of the thread, we can all just safely assume you're trolling us.

it's not efficient, the tone of every one of your posts has been "don't bother" or "it'd be op" really? it goes from useless, or less than useless, harmful as you've put it.. to overpowered? there is no middle ground? my 15$ a month doesn't pay someones salary whose job it is, is to figure that shit out?

we should just give up and all quit rdm? cuz i've been thinking about it for quite a while.... and i know many others who have. problem for me is, no job plays like what i was sold when i first bought ffxi. so i might just have to quit ffxi.

Are you serious? I told you why RDM melee couldn't work, because they would have to buff RDM enspells/do things to them that would be seriously broken. YOU guys are the ones who are coming out at me swinging telling me I'm an idiot/troll, and i said this earlier...how is ANYONE supposed to take you guy seriously if all you do is kick and scream TROLL TROLL TROLL when somebody comes in and points out flaws, instead of butting heads maybe you should work together to find an ultimatum. Nobody is stopping you from meleeing, but be warned, do it right or you're doing the entire community a disservice.