On Red Mage melee...

[Aurara]

I would use these legs for CDC on rdm http://www.ffxiah.com/item/16381/tumbler-trunks
Rajas/Dex ring will always be better than lavas/kushas since you'll be eating sushi(you'll have to if you want to hit anything). I'm not suggesting it on high tier NMs, this is mainly for messing around, lol.

[Hyrist]

Actually I'm not running into nearly as much accuracy issues as you might think. I can get by on Pizza on most things. Once I'm full on Melee Atmas, I'll be able to meat build easy and still keep an 85% hit rate. I buy Sushi when I know I'm hitting something evasive, or don't want to spend the food on a quick event, in which case I alternate bettween Bream and Sole.

CDC WS, I agree, Raja's + Dex Ring, I beleive Jupiter's is decent, if you can get the Attack +6 from the Head Seal's Quest, as it fits nicely.

Lava/Kushra's are for Tping. +6 Acc each and no stat downs. It's better ACC than a Raja'/Acc ring set up for taking a bite in STR. I've still not decided which I like better. There's really no 'standard' camp to parse anymore.

As far as Tumbler Trunks, yeah, I've had my eye on it for a while. I'll probably pick it up tonight if it's on AH.

As a note, I tend not to melee NMs. I'll flirt at it to get a general performance comparison, but as I quit for a while, my build fell behind, and I've barely any Atmas to speak of. Once I've got all that I'll test the waters more substantially.

[ManaKing]

It appears you missed my point.
Edit: I never told anyone how to think, i just said it wasnt efficient, we have different play styles and opinions about rdm, let it go already.

No you don't get the point. You are still worried about being right and using what is currently the state of the game as proof for why you are right.

We already know that RDM melee is inefficient and that you and several other people in this thread have given us the courtesy of allowing us to melee in situations that aren't actually important. You are redundant. We've dealt with adversity our entire career as a RDM and we would appreciate it if you would contribute something useful to furthering RDM as an attractive job past lvl 75 OR go make your own thread called "Why RDM melee is a bad idea and how RDM should actually play their job". At least if you did the later you would be posting in the right thread and all your comments thus far would actually be pertinent.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

I don't get why people make out a RDM's skill is so bad but not a DNC's when at 90 a DNC has a massive 6 skill levels higher than us on dagger.

Will we hit NM's most likely not without accuracy, although in Abyssea you can, but that's true of any job even gimped ones, but if we're messing around you don't need crazy accuracy to hit.

Actually I'm not running into nearly as much accuracy issues as you might think. I can get by on Pizza on most things. Once I'm full on Melee Atmas, I'll be able to meat build easy and still keep an 85% hit rate. I buy Sushi when I know I'm hitting something evasive, or don't want to spend the food on a quick event, in which case I alternate bettween Bream and Sole.

CDC WS, I agree, Raja's + Dex Ring, I beleive Jupiter's is decent, if you can get the Attack +6 from the Head Seal's Quest, as it fits nicely.

Lava/Kushra's are for Tping. +6 Acc each and no stat downs. It's better ACC than a Raja'/Acc ring set up for taking a bite in STR. I've still not decided which I like better. There's really no 'standard' camp to parse anymore.

As far as Tumbler Trunks, yeah, I've had my eye on it for a while. I'll probably pick it up tonight if it's on AH.

As a note, I tend not to melee NMs. I'll flirt at it to get a general performance comparison, but as I quit for a while, my build fell behind, and I've barely any Atmas to speak of. Once I've got all that I'll test the waters more substantially.

I've only ever beat one NM in Abyssea, that said I've only fought one and that was when I wanted a blood warp out of Konschtat after giving up on the refresh head, and that was Raskovnic, but he's kind of weak anyway.

[Hyrist]

In Dancer's defence, they do get +20 more accuracy than us with Acc Bonus III (Factoring in Composure.)

That closes to 10 if we sub dancer ourselves, however.

[Aurara]

No you don't get the point. You are still worried about being right and using what is currently the state of the game as proof for why you are right.

We already know that RDM melee is inefficient and that you and several other people in this thread have given us the courtesy of allowing us to melee in situations that aren't actually important. You are redundant. We've dealt with adversity our entire career as a RDM and we would appreciate it if you would contribute something useful to furthering RDM as an attractive job past lvl 75 OR go make your own thread called "Why RDM melee is a bad idea and how RDM should actually play their job". At least if you did the later you would be posting in the right thread and all your comments thus far would actually be pertinent.

You wont let it go will you? Just drop it dude, I did, lol.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

In Dancer's defence, they do get +20 more accuracy than us with Acc Bonus III (Factoring in Composure.)

That closes to 10 if we sub dancer ourselves, however.

This is true.

[ManaKing]

You wont let it go will you? Just drop it dude, I did, lol.

It's like you still are here and aren't suggesting anything good, so no, I won't just drop it.

[Hyrist]

Comparing Acc Trait vs Composure and skill differences, it's roughly a 12 accuracy difference between BLU and RDM, which, honestly, is slight, but signifigant enough for us to second-guess meat builds outside of Abyssea. It will be interesting how Gain-Dex will influence this, however, as if we can cap it off at +20, which our enhancing skill growth+ Gear seems to push us into, we might be able to push meat builds after that point. We'll have to see how the scaling effects us verse mobs. (Going to enjoy the jump in Evis/CDC number though.)

But we'd have to start comparing base Dex at that point though, which I've lost track as to the average spell build of a BLU and what dex bonuses they get. (We also are going to have to compare it's use to Gain STR as well. I wonder which Boost WHM will end up using...)

[Aurara]

Comparing Acc Trait vs Composure and skill differences, it's roughly a 12 accuracy difference between BLU and RDM, which, honestly, is slight, but signifigant enough for us to second-guess meat builds outside of Abyssea. It will be interesting how Gain-Dex will influence this, however, as if we can cap it off at +20, which our enhancing skill growth+ Gear seems to push us into, we might be able to push meat builds after that point. We'll have to see how the scaling effects us verse mobs. (Going to enjoy the jump in Evis/CDC number though.)

But we'd have to start comparing base Dex at that point though, which I've lost track as to the average spell build of a BLU and what dex bonuses they get. (We also are going to have to compare it's use to Gain STR as well. I wonder which Boost WHM will end up using...)

Curious what your WS set for evis looks like, since thats what i use on RDM when i do melee.