WAR Job Ability 90+: "Weapon Mastery"

[kingfury]

lol Believe me, I've THOROUGHLY tested Restraint with absolutely every single weapon a WAR can use, so I know exactly how to use it and get the most out of it Mojo. If you think you're getting the proper dmg boost by using it ws to ws, you're wrong friend and you need to test more with it.
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If you can read everything I've posted so far and still believe this, I absolutely know you're not a WAR fan lol. I've giving valid reasons why this JA would be fruitful for WAR in every argument against the concept thus far and here you come with your two cents lol. I've even explained how it shouldn't break things for any job in even the slightest way since Job Abilities are what set each job apart from another. At this point I'm convinced you'd feel this way if WAR got anything new added to their JA list lol! "What's this?! WAR can do something else?? BROKEN!!" /laugh
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Anywho, you have every right to your opinion, and thanks for sharing ^^

[kingfury]

WARs are very versatile, but they aren't always asked to come to certain events due to other jobs simply because of their differences. SCH's the same way. SCH can both nuke and cure, but it by no means can replace either a nuker or a healer. Your suggestion is simply saying SCH by DESIGN should replace BLM and a WHM. WARs should replace all other DDs, tanks, healers and nukers. I mean, they're DESIGNed to be versatile. You're the one that said,

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lol looking back over this post again... I just can't bring myself to even begin to process these horrible responses man lol. It's like you're agreeing with me and disagreeing with at the same time on some of these >< lol but I'm gonna show you enough respect to respond though since you did take the time to at least create a long post my friend. Thank you for your feedback Valkrist /salute ... even though I truly couldn't make heads or tails of most of it >< Most of the stuff I said you simply took completely out of context and went 360 degrees in the other direction lol so perhaps there was just a bit of misunderstanding going on. It's all good though

[noodles355]

The simple fact of the matter is that even if you had access to all those weaponskills, Ukko's Fury and Raging Rush would still be better than all of them, inside and outside abyssea. Your JA doesn't actually give you anything more than a toy for when you want to play around with different WSs after you've gotten bored of Ukko's or RR. That's all it does to "improve" war.

You don't seem to understand that whatever boost you think it would give to war would in no way whatsoever balance out the mass culling of other jobs this would lead to.
The other day we had a big Turul farming session and took every blue proc with us. We had to have Rng, Drg, Thf, Pld, War, Nin, Sam, Drk, Whm, Mnk. With your new JA we wouldn't have needed any of those at all and would have made to with just a War, Thf for TH and Whm to heal. Your JA just put Rng, Drg, Pld, Drk and Mnk out of a job. How can you possibly think that the fun factor your war gains by being able access to many (but still worse than RR and Ukko's) can possibly be worth more than that?

You're insane. And don't you dare try and use the "There's content outside abyssea !" arguent because it is stupid and weak. Yes there is content outside abyssea, but that doesn't change the fact that abyssea is the majority of the content people now play and anything that adversely affects it so drastically is a major issue.

Also stop calling people friend. I'm not your friend, buddy.

[kingfury]

lol Nah, I wouldn't call anyone as disrespectful as you "friend" so you don't have to worry about that lol. You sound a bit childish to me, but lets focus on your weak arguments shall we.
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1st off, you're proving your lack of knowledge and inexperience of WAR and their use of weapons with your 1st comment. Especially if you're referring to Abyssea dmg. I don't have to wonder if you've ever even tried to experiment with any other weapons inside or outside of Abyssea since you're answering it for me. Do yourself a favor and go enter Abyssea by yourself and play around with your Atma choices in reference to some new weapon skills you haven't tried mod'ing before. There's a whole host of ws that can clear 10k dmg easily so long as you set your Atmas correctly, but you'll never know until you try for yourself ok. Do that for yourself, no one else.
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Ok... I'll say this ONE last time... nice and slowly... you're fears of a WAR being able to proc red and blue effectively over all those jobs... you ready?... IS ALREADY A REALITY MAN!! lol. A lowman group can already take 2-3 ppl inside Abyssea during the right trigger time of game day and successfully trigger both Red and Blue using a WAR. This doesn't deny anyone the use of those other jobs fer crying out loud. That's so stupid to say, jeeze. Go stand in Port Jeuno for a few hours and see if non WAR folks have a problem being picked up for Abyssea parties dude. SE DESIGNED the Abyssea system to be accessible to WARs, so just get over it already. Ok, that being squashed, lets move on.
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If you don't know how to occupy your own time outside of Abyssea, I feel sorry for you. There's still PLENTY of content to enjoy outside of Abyssea, and I do just fine enjoying my time away from it. I don't know what job(s) you play as your main, but if you can't find anything else to achieve other than Abyssea based on it's "God-like mode" system, then I'm sure your days of playing FFXI are numbered lol. Take a break from Abyssea for a week and find what made the game fun for you is what I would suggest.
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In closing, your arguments are as weak as your manners. I didn't design WAR to be adept in 13 weapons, SE did. Don't call me insane for wanting to further push a system that's ALREADY in place. Technically you're already whining about the fact that WAR can do what it can do by triggering effectively with so many weapons in Abyssea, so I'm sure there's not much room in your mind for understanding my proposal. And please stop trying to put "game balance" and "Abyssea" together >< it's just crazy. Abyssea is an add-on battle area that lets individuals become gods... it's not meant to be "balanced" at all... fer cryin out loud. End "buddy" /laugh

[Arcon]

I think it's rather simple.. you're arguing that this JA would promote versatility, but that's only half the truth. On a larger scale, comparing different jobs, it reduces versatility and just promotes redundancy. If you really wanna play with other WSs, you should just level those jobs. That is what they are for, to experience different things. This doesn't just include JAs and Spells, but WSs too. Before Abyssea, and still for some certain occasions, I like to use a polearm. Meriting on birds was fun with it, Penta Thrusting them for ~30% of their HP. However, seeing DRGs Drakesbaning them made me want to use that too, because it was a great WS, and if we had it, I might still use it in Abyssea sometimes.

However, I don't think it's a bad thing we don't have it. Why is a WAR supposed to have everything good? Your argument sounds like "We are so versatile with all our skills, it makes only sense to make us even more versatile!" and disregarding the purposes and qualities of other jobs.

Maybe you'd feel different about it if you actually levelled other jobs, saw what they had to offer. No job is supposed to excel at everything, much less WAR, giving its original "jack of all trades, master of none" status (or as it is in this case, master of one).

Also, 360 degrees make a full turn.

Edit: Other WSs would also be worse than Steel Cyclone and King's Justice. WAR already has very useful and hard WSs for every occasion, Raging Rush for general damage, King's Justice for Mighty Strikes, Steel Cyclone for Warrior's Charge/Mighty Strikes for spike damage and possibly to close Darkness, even debuffing WS like Full Break, all on one weapon. Add a secondary weapon, at which they also excel, and you get a stunning WS with Smash Axe and another high damage WS with Rampage. They even get a devastating AoE elemental WS with Cataclysm, they have lower staff skill, but with their high accuracy and Retaliation, TP generation is not an issue, and skill doesn't matter for the WS itself. So I really don't see anything WAR could complain about, other than not having everything, which is a groundless complaint.

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There's a whole host of ws that can clear 10k dmg easily so long as you set your Atmas correctly [..]

Other than Ukko's Fury and Steel Cyclone? On a different weapon than GA? Show me.

[kingfury]

I think it's rather simple.. you're arguing that this JA would promote versatility, but that's only half the truth. On a larger scale, comparing different jobs, it reduces versatility and just promotes redundancy. If you really wanna play with other WSs, you should just level those jobs.
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However, I don't think it's a bad thing we don't have it. Why is a WAR supposed to have everything good? Your argument sounds like "We are so versatile with all our skills, it makes only sense to make us even more versatile!" and disregarding the purposes and qualities of other jobs.

Maybe you'd feel different about it if you actually levelled other jobs, saw what they had to offer. No job is supposed to excel at everything, much less WAR, giving its original "jack of all trades, master of none" status (or as it is in this case, master of one).
Also, 360 degrees make a full turn.
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Edit: Other WSs would also be worse than Steel Cyclone and King's Justice. WAR already has very useful and hard WSs for every occasion, Raging Rush for general damage, King's Justice for Mighty Strikes, Steel Cyclone for Warrior's Charge/Mighty Strikes for spike damage and possibly to close Darkness, even debuffing WS like Full Break, all on one weapon. Add a secondary weapon, at which they also excel, and you get a stunning WS with Smash Axe and another high damage WS with Rampage. They even get a devastating AoE elemental WS with Cataclysm, they have lower staff skill, but with their high accuracy and Retaliation, TP generation is not an issue, and skill doesn't matter for the WS itself. So I really don't see anything WAR could complain about, other than not having everything, which is a groundless complaint.
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Other than Ukko's Fury and Steel Cyclone? On a different weapon than GA? Show me.

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At this point I'm kinda just doing circles and explaining the same thing over and over /stagger lol. Point WAR can do 11/15 sword ws's that a PLD can do currently. That's a lot of the same ws's, considering I'm including Relic, Mythic, and Emp. ws in that tally (non of which my proposed JA would unlock), which if taken out of the tally would make it more like 11/12. Does this take away from what a PLD is? The simple answer is no. It would be the same for any other job if a WAR had 3/4 ws based on the weapon they were using. Why? Simple, a PLD can do things a WAR can't via their JAs, and thus makes them absolutely unique. The same is with every job in FFXI. I'm not asking for JAs here with my proposal, only to access a few more ws's than we already have access to. No more no less. I've already said that I respect what other jobs bring, and wouldn't want to disrupt over all game play diversity in the slightest.
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I'm not asking for WAR to excel at "everything" lol only what SE designed them to excel at, weapon usage.
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lol Go try Sanguine blade out a bit with the right Atmas and Gear for starters (you'll need both, so don't try to do this with standard ws gear since it's not a standard melee ws... I'm sad that I actually felt the need to edit and add this very note in... but based on what I've been hearing throughout this thread, I really feel it needed to be said ><). In terms of Abyssea dmg, the possibilities are too many to list, seriously. My point is NO ONE EVER TEST these other weapons lol. They're not just "non Main Job" weapons once you take the time and really see what they can do. I would bet money SE is just as baffled at the lack of non GA and Axe weapon usage from most WARs as I am.

[noodles355]

lol Nah, I wouldn't call anyone as disrespectful as you "friend" so you don't have to worry about that lol. You sound a bit childish to me, but lets focus on your weak arguments shall we.

No, what's childish is wanting to kill off a load of jobs in the most played area of the game just to make one job more fun.

1st off, you're proving your lack of knowledge and inexperience of WAR and their use of weapons with your 1st comment. Especially if you're referring to Abyssea dmg. I don't have to wonder if you've ever even tried to experiment with any other weapons inside or outside of Abyssea since you're answering it for me. Do yourself a favor and go enter Abyssea by yourself and play around with your Atma choices in reference to some new weapon skills you haven't tried mod'ing before. There's a whole host of ws that can clear 10k dmg easily so long as you set your Atmas correctly, but you'll never know until you try for yourself ok. Do that for yourself, no one else.

Rubbish. POIDH. Unless you're talking about playing with primeval brew, you are talking out of your behind. There is not a whole host of WSs that can clear 10k damage purely down to atma choices. You are lieing and making up false data to try and justify your argument. There are 4 types of weaponskill. Magic WS (Trueflight, Aeolian Edge, Wildfire, Cloudsplitter), Crit Hit physical WS (Raging Rush, Rampage, Evisceration, Vorpal Blade), non-crit hit physical WS (Guillotine, Penta Thrust, Tachi: Gekko, Dancing Edge, Asuran Fists) and there are "special" WS (Spirits Within, Atonement). The last two catagories will never match the first two catagories in damage, even if you use ideal atmas for each individual catagory. The first two are the only worthwhile options, one involes sticking Razed Ruins, DA/TA, WSC and Crit+ boosting atmas, the other invovles stacking Mab+ and Element Damage+ atmas. That is the extent of the atma choices you are left with. The best atmas for for most of the WS in one catagory are basically the same, possibly swapping one atma for another depending on job (Example: Blade Hi you'd use GH as your 3rd atma, Drakesbane you'd use VV, Evisceration you'd use A/O). You really have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Also, unless you are fighting Qutrubs your WS wont be hitting 10k "easilly" even with ideal atmas.

Ok... I'll say this ONE last time... nice and slowly... you're fears of a WAR being able to proc red and blue effectively over all those jobs... you ready?... IS ALREADY A REALITY MAN!! lol. A lowman group can already take 2-3 ppl inside Abyssea during the right trigger time of game day and successfully trigger both Red and Blue using a WAR. This doesn't deny anyone the use of those other jobs fer crying out loud. That's so stupid to say, jeeze. Go stand in Port Jeuno for a few hours and see if non WAR folks have a problem being picked up for Abyssea parties dude. SE DESIGNED the Abyssea system to accessible to WARs, so just get over it already. Ok, that being squashed, lets move on.

You are ignorant and stupid. Yes, for NMs that are popped you can rely on claiming it at the specific time of day. But for timed NMs this is not always the case. Furthermore even if this was the case, you're still wrong. Which Blue proc type can war proc on it's own? It's certainly not piercing. Without Hexa strike and any H2H WS after spinning attack, it's not blunt. And without Pld's Swift Blade, Drk's Cross Reaper and any Katana or GK skill, it's not slashing either. So which is it?

If you don't know how to occupy your own time outside of Abyssea, I feel sorry for you. There's still PLENTY of content to enjoy outside of Abyssea, and I do just fine enjoying my time away from Abyssea. I don't know what job(s) you play as your main, but if you can't find anything else to achieve other than Abyssea based on it's "God-like mode" system, then I'm sure your days of playing FFXI are numbered lol. Take a break from Abyssea for a week and find what made the game fun for you is what I would suggest.

You've further proved you're fighting a losing argument by having to make incorrect assumptions agsinst me to try and back me into a corner. You have no proof that I don't spend a lot of time farming kirin pops in sky, or farming torques and capes in sea, or farming Dynamis lord drops in xarcabard with a static. You know absolutely nothing about my playstyle and the fact you have to make assumptions like that to try and boost your argument shows how inherently weak your argument is. Also you have completely missed the point. It has nothing to do with the fact that there is content outside abyssea, or even if what you personally play more is outside abyssea. It's about what the majority of the playerbase play the most, and that is abyssea and you need to accept that. You may play a lot of non-abyssea content, guess what? So do I. Guess What else? We are the minority. You can't reasonably force your ideal on a game that will give a small boost to the minority whilst greatly hurting the majority of the player base. To even suggest such a thing is idiotic.

In closing, your arguments are as weak as your manners. I didn't design WAR to be adept in 13 weapons, SE did. Don't call me insane for wanting to further push a system that's ALREADY in place. Technically you're already whining about the fact that WAR can do what it can do by triggering effectively with so many weapons in Abyssea, so I'm sure there's not much room in your mind for understanding my proposal. And please stop trying to put "game balance" and "Abyssea" together >< it's just crazy. Abyssea is an add-on battle area that lets individuals become gods... it's not meant to be "balanced" at all... fer cryin out loud. End "buddy" lol

I may have bad manners but that doesn't make me any less correct in my points. Abyssea is the most played area of the game currently and although it may be currently unbalanced towards certain jobs, what you are suggesting would unbalance it even further. Your argument seems to be "it's already unbalanced so it doesn't matter if it's unbalanced even further". This is a completely retarded argument.

And stop saying lol all the time, it's childish and irratating. There is nothing remotely laugh-out-loud about this topic apart from maybe the absurdity of your idea.

[Dreimar]

OkOk that Ja could be funny and usefull , but they wont never add it do to the loss other jobs will get, into abyssea at least.
I will be happy to just get dagger ws .. 341 skill and no ws past energy steal , besides evisceration, seems weird :\

[kingfury]

@ Noodless: LOL ... wait, wait... LOL

[kingfury]

OkOk that Ja could be funny and usefull , but they wont never add it do to the loss other jobs will get, into abyssea at least.
I will be happy to just get dagger ws .. 341 skill and no ws past energy steal , besides evisceration, seems weird :\

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Amen Bro I feel your pain on that dagger usage. I can go neck and neck with a THF usin Evisceration so I'm curious for more ^^