Louisioux's tattoo theory

So as we all know FFXIV borrows elements from previous Final Fantasies. Do you think the mark on Louisioux's neck is a nod to the L'cie brand from FFXIII?

When the mark lights up in the End of an era video, could it mean that Louisioux has completed his "Focus"? Does Louisioux turn into a crystal? What does this mean for the crystal tower?

Aren't we the players getting a mark on our body too? Does that mean we have a "focus" to complete in ARR?

Bulloks or probable, what do you think? :p

My personal opinion? It's the equivalent of a modern-day tribal tattoo. All the members of the circle of knowing have it, although I suspect the l'cie thing is a red herring.

I've also put my money on Louisoix becoming Odin.

The Circle of Knowing hails from the city-state of Sharlayan in the northwestern Dravania region. They are marked by the Tattoo on their neck.

Pretty much what Catapult.

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Originally Posted by Catapult

I've also put my money on Louisoix becoming Odin.

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I'm thinking the same thing. I think the story for ARR is going to be really good since it's going to have to explain the stuff that happened after Bahamut's rampage.

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

The Circle of Knowing hails from the city-state of Sharlayan in the northwestern Dravania region. They are marked by the Tattoo on their neck.

Pretty much what Catapult.

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Aye i know all that, but is the tattoo a Sharlayan thing? a Circle of knowing thing? or where they branded because of something that happened in the past and made them travel as a group of adventurers to our city-states?

Crystal Tower is the tomb of Xandes, the first Allagan Emperor and possibly Nael's original goal before he was warped by the dragons. Most of the inspiration for the lore involved with that is likely to come from Xande of Final Fantasy III.

I'm not quite sure what's up with the tattoos, but I found it interesting that Lou had one tattoo, white on the left, and Uri had one tattoo, black on the right, and everyone else had two on the neck.

I'm honestly hoping Louisoix is just dead. He sacrificed himself - that should mean something more than an excuse to pull a Gandalf. I've heard a few times that maybe he'll be Odin; where does that idea come from? I'm interested, but isn't Odin as old as Bahamut and why would an Archon of the Twelve become a primal, never mind an Elder one?

Even stranger, he might not even be dead in the first place. We assumed that light was from Megaflare landing and he was wiped out... but we now know that the light was some mysterious force that spirited Bahamut away (a force many assume to be Odin). Wouldn't that mean Odin showed up before he was even dead? IF he's dead?

Lastly, has it not been heavily implied that Odin was the primal the Empire encountered soon after taking Ala Mhigo? This was a few years before the Paragons taught the tribes to summon the lesser primals - it was likely an Elder. Bahamut's was moonbound, whereas Odin was free to wander his home of the Black Shroud - right next to Ala Mhigo. All of this took place while Louisoix was alive.

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Originally Posted by Sabi

Aye i know all that, but is the tattoo a Sharlayan thing? a Circle of knowing thing? or where they branded because of something that happened in the past and made them travel as a group of adventurers to our city-states?

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It seem like a Circle of knowing thing there people that know a lot of history events. Sadly there just not enough information on them but that what ARR is for and they just not going to give out information and mess up the storyline for us for ARR.

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Originally Posted by Anonymoose

Crystal Tower is the tomb of Xandes, the first Allagan Emperor and possibly Nael's original goal before he was warped by the dragons. Most of the inspiration for the lore involved with that is likely to come from Xande of Final Fantasy III.

I'm not quite sure what's up with the tattoos, but I found it interesting that Lou had one tattoo, white on the left, and Uri had one tattoo, black on the right, and everyone else had two on the neck.

I'm honestly hoping Louisoix is just dead. He sacrificed himself - that should mean something more than an excuse to pull a Gandalf. I've heard a few times that maybe he'll be Odin; where does that idea come from? I'm interested, but isn't Odin as old as Bahamut and why would an Archon of the Twelve become a primal, never mind an Elder one?

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Louisoix can't be Odin

A fell knight clad all in black, Odin roams paths long forgotten beneath the canopy of the Black Shroud.
There are none now alive who know the truth of when or by whom this elder primal was first summoned into the world. Ever vigilant as he sits astride his mighty steed, Sleipnir, it is said that Odin is drivenly solely by the desire to do battle with worthy foes.

Odin is a primal that walking around black shroud and each time someone kill him he become stronger. Too the point that he can no longer be killed by normal linkshell. So this going to be a fun elder primal to fight i think the storyline is that he lost his memory and each time he killed and he come back he gain more memory and more of his elder powers.

At least that what people told me that they read somewhere that yoshi-p said.

So ya louisoix is not odin and i hope he does not come back because if they do a gandalf on us then his death was pretty much noting lol

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Originally Posted by Anonymoose

Even stranger, he might not even be dead in the first place. We assumed that light was from Megaflare landing and he was wiped out... but we now know that the light was some mysterious force that spirited Bahamut away (a force many assume to be Odin). Wouldn't that mean Odin showed up before he was even dead? IF he's dead?

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As I find this quite likely, it surely means that instead of saving us, Lou teleported us into stasis for five years FOR NO REASON. Grr.

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

So ya louisoix is not odin and i hope he does not come back because if they do a gandalf on us then his death was pretty much noting lol

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I'm always glad when someone agrees with me on that point. I'm all for people coming back from the dead on occasion, I'm all for deaths we didn't know weren't deaths at all, etc. But this isn't one of those times. He selflessly sacrificed himself during an emotional song and then everybody cried. You don't #### that up after. It's done.

It's like in Gundam Seed DESTINY when they

brought back Mu La Flaga. There goes all the emotion I felt in the finale! GONE.

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Originally Posted by Mjollnir

As I find this quite likely, it surely means that instead of saving us, Lou teleported us into stasis for five years FOR NO REASON. Grr.

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Hey, if we didn't age, we got back five years of our lives back and we get to spend them around something other than people whining about the Calamity. That's not all bad! I bet they've even rebuilt most of my local haunts and fixed the economy.

EDIT: WOW! A loop of browser reloads and confusion and that's a triple post. Maybe I need a nap @.@ Let's just leave it like this before I crash the whole forum.

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Originally Posted by Anonymoose

I'm always glad when someone agrees with me on that point. I'm all for people coming back from the dead on occasion, I'm all for deaths we didn't know weren't deaths at all, etc. But this isn't one of those times. He selflessly sacrificed himself during an emotional song and then everybody cried. You don't #### that up after. It's done.

It's like in Gundam Seed DESTINY when they

brought back Mu La Flaga. There goes all the emotion I felt in the finale! GONE.

Hey, if we didn't age, we got back five years of our lives back and we get to spend them around something other than people whining about the Calamity. That's not all bad! I bet they've even rebuilt most of my local haunts and fixed the economy.

EDIT: WOW! A loop of browser reloads and confusion and that's a triple post. Maybe I need a nap @.@ Let's just leave it like this before I crash the whole forum.

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I know what you mean they should not fuck that up. I know SE said something along the line that he dead but you see what really happen in storyline so i can't wait for that.

I'm still not aboard the Odin being the one to scare the Garleans from advancing-boat. When Ala Mhigo invaded the Twelvewoods during the Autumn War, you'd be more likely to see Odin if he was around. If he's a warrior, then he would have been all over the Autumn War. Like I've said before, the Sylphs live in the north eastern part of the Twelveswood and are scared to use their Primal or maybe smart enough not to. Of course the Paragon(s) taught the Beasttribes to summon the Primals after the Battle of Silvertear Skies. And I do not think the Garleans would have began their invasion of Gridania and the Twelveswood the same year of conquering Ala Mhigo. Remember they began the brainwash the children and train them to fight for them, this would take some time I would think.

Overall if it was Odin, when did he appear in the Twelveswood and why..the Autumn War would have been a perfect time for Odin to have been seen. I think Odin has too much to do with the Crystal Tower/Tomb of Xandes and the Allagan Empire/Emperor to have ALREADY been in the Twelveswood. I'd think Odin wasn't released until the Crystal Tower appeared or sometime around then.

As for Louisoix being Odin, yeah that's a big negative for me as well. The Archons are suppose to be the Twelve reincarnated. If Louisoix has been killed..well the Circle of Knowing would be in need of another member. Like I said in another thread, I wonder if they come from regular people or if the Circle of Knowing choose successors.

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Originally Posted by NoloeTazier

Overall if it was Odin, when did he appear in the Twelveswood and why..the Autumn War would have been a perfect time for Odin to have been seen.

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Did any of the Autumn War even take place in the Twelveswood, though? If I remember correctly, most of the fighting took place on the Finesand Banks, a border between Ala Mhigan territory and the wood. The Gridanian general planned to pull back into the wood near Nine Ivies and entrap the enemy general on terrain more familiar to Gridanians (implying that the territory they were already on was not part of the Shroud), but died before setting it into motion and his successor ordered the armies of Gridania to, instead, barrel right into Ala Mhigan territory and get themselves routed, surrounded, and heartily defeated. As far as I can tell, if Odin prowls deep within the wood, he wouldn't have had much opportunity to show up.

We have no idea where the Garleans saw this primal, however. It makes logical sense to me that it'd be Gridania - that's the first place they invaded this time around. Then again, maybe they'd gone the Xelphatol route the first time and found a third Elder there? I'm not saying "It's Odin." but I don't see anything more likely yet.

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Originally Posted by Anonymoose

I'm honestly hoping Louisoix is just dead. He sacrificed himself - that should mean something more than an excuse to pull a Gandalf.

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Totally agree. I will be disappointed if Louisoix is still alive. Same with Nael (but that's a totally different discussion). End of an Era will lose a lot of meaning for me if Louisoix survived. Though him surviving because he didn't expect whatever happened to Bahamut wouldn't be that bad. As in he's only alive due to something he didn't foresee. Every plan has failed. "At least they are safe. I can die happy knowing that." *Bahamut vanishes.* "Damn it. They're going to be so pissed at me when they get back."

So, best case scenario- he dies having safeguarded the future.
kinda okay case- he was ready to die, but Bahamut vanished (along with his Megaflare)
bad case- Louisoix pulls a Gandalf. He dies and comes back shinier than before.
horrible case- he is somehow Odin.

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Originally Posted by Anonymoose

Did any of the Autumn War even take place in the Twelveswood, though? If I remember correctly, most of the fighting took place on the Finesand Banks, a border between Ala Mhigan territory and the wood. The Gridanian general planned to pull back into the wood near Nine Ivies and entrap the enemy general on terrain more familiar to Gridanians (implying that the territory they were already on was not part of the Shroud), but died before setting it into motion and his successor ordered the armies of Gridania to, instead, barrel right into Ala Mhigan territory and get themselves routed, surrounded, and heartily defeated. As far as I can tell, if Odin prowls deep within the wood, he wouldn't have had much opportunity to show up.

We have no idea where the Garleans saw this primal, however. It makes logical sense to me that it'd be Gridania - that's the first place they invaded this time around. Then again, maybe they'd gone the Xelphatol route the first time and found a third Elder there? I'm not saying "It's Odin." but I don't see anything more likely yet.

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The Autumn War was entirely in the Shroud. It didn't end till the Ala Mhigans were forced from the Shroud by the Alliance. Kinda goes to show you though, it took 4 armies to push back the mighty force of the Ala Mhigans.

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The date is 1468 of the Sixth Astral Era. The forces of Ala Mhigo have crossed the Velodyna River, whose waters form the border with neighboring Gridania, and now claim dominion over the East Shroud. With its invasion into these lands sacred to the forestborn, Ala Mhigo, a garrison state known for its jingoism and expansionist ambitions, sparks what will come to be known as the Autumn War.

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Straight from The Raven. My Little Chocobo Makeover? edition.

Does that seem conflicting slightly with Erik's story to you?

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Originally Posted by Erik

The Finesand Banks have a rich history indeed. They are found on the west shore of the Velodyna River, at the foot of a now extinct volcano overlooking Rothlyt Sound. The area is a sedimentary basin formed by the deposit of the fine silts and sands carried by the river. Today, it falls within Gridanian territory, but in days past it belonged to my own home nation─Ala Mhigo.

A century ago, King Manfred came to power in Ala Mhigo and decided to expand the nation's territory in order to promote economic growth. To that end, he ordered the Ala Mhigan army to undertake large-scale campaigns that would eventually lead to the onset of the Autumn War. Naturally, such action was met with vehement opposition from the other nations.

Gridania, fearing encroachment along its border with Ala Mhigo, placed the renowned lancer Vainchelon in command of its standing armies and war began. His opponent was Gylbarde, the great general of Ala Mhigo, a fervent believer in the Fist of Rhalgr, and a man who enjoyed enormous popularity among the Ala Mhigan people.

The two leaders were loved by their troops, and at the outbreak of war morale on both sides was very high. The armies clashed time and again all along the border, neither general yielding an ilm. But in a galling twist of fate for Gridania, Vainchelon suddenly took deathly ill.

After no victor emerged following the Battle of Finesand Banks, Vainchelon devised a new strategy. He ordered his forces to retreat to Camp Nine Ivies, fully intending for Gylbarde to give chase. This would lure the Ala Mhigans to terrain more favorable and familiar to the Gridanians. He died, however, before he was able to see his plan executed.

Now, the man who would replace him, Osbern, was extremely ambitious and eager to prove his worth to the Seedseers. Having neither the mind nor patience for Vainchelon's defensive war, however, he ordered a frontal assault on the Ala Mhigan position. When Gylbarde learned of this plan─if plan it may be called─he secretly deployed troops to the most vital points along the Finesand Banks.

The Gridanian forces had scarcely entered the area before they began to suffer heavy losses from highly coordinated Ala Mhigan ambushes. In response, Osbern ordered a forced march, permitting his troops no rest for several days as he attempted to surge through the region. Eventually, exhausted, the Gridanians came to entrench themselves on a hill.

But this is precisely what Gylbarde had wanted! He surrounded the hill with six thousand soldiers to deny the forestborn any hope of retrieving water, and then proceeded to rain down barrage after barrage of arrows upon the encampment. In this seemingly hopeless position, the morale of the Gridanians quickly dwindled.

Following two failed attempts to break free, Osbern himself lead the van of a third and final charge. In the end, Gridania was defeated. Osbern and several of his officers were captured, and the legendary staff Claustrum, lent him by one of the Seedseers, was taken.

This abject defeat accounted for what little morale remained among his surviving troops, and they beat a desperate retreat to Five Hangs with the relentless Ala Mhigans harrying them every step of the way. Gylbarde's victory brought him ever greater accolades from his country, and as a result both he and the Fist of Rhalgr came to wield considerable political power.

And that is a brief history of the Finesand Banks. No, no, you needn't thank me. Knowing there is a little less ignorance in the world is all the reward I require.

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The conflict being that The Raven's story says Ala Mhigo "claimed dominion over the East Shroud," where Erik says that the battle took place almost entirely at a sedimentary basin at the foot of an extinct volcano which marked a border between their territories - aside from when they almost pulled back into the East Shroud before the General died and his successor ordered a march even further from the wood.

I guess you could read it that they did pull back, intending to be pursued, but were ordered to march out again before that happened. It doesn't sound like Ala Mhigo ever crossed beyond the beyond Gridanian territory borders, never mind claimed a chunk of the Shroud.

I considered the possibility that perhaps the basin was in the shroud and that part of the shroud is what belonged to Ala Mhigo already ... but then they couldn't have "claimed" it to begin with, and there's no sedimentary ANYTHING in the East Shroud. There's a little bit of water from the Springripple, but that's an isolated lake (さざなみ湖).

Am I reading it wrong?

Perhaps this is like the inconsistencies we've been finding on the official site lately?

Ok, here is another view.

Why are we assuming Louisoix kicked the proverbial bucket? All we saw was a white light descending as Bahamut charged a megaflare. We have been explicitly told there were final events that occured after we were whisked away - ie: it wasn't over yet. And if it wasn't over, it means both parties still drew breath.
We've also been told that something occured that made Bahamut vanish. So again I ask, how can we assume Louisoix died if Bahamut's entrapment was successful?

I didn't see a noble sacrificial death. I saw a hero getting us out of the way so he wouldn't kill us upon pulling out the biggest trick in his bag, one he would have preferred not to use. Louisoix was always of the mind that we should take the easier and less world-shattering option first.

Mythology in FFIV tells us that Odin was once mortal. Explicitly, a king of Baron who became Odin. This is where I'm coming from with the transformation into Odin thing - the potentially biggest trick in Louisoix's bag, but one that turns him into that which he fights against, FFX Sin-style.

And if Odin appears for the first time in an age only after the calamity, something had to have summoned him or unleashed him - there needs to be a culprit. If that culprit (and vessel) was Lou, you could understand why he left it as his last option.

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On the subject of what primal appeared to prevent the Garlean advance, I wouldn't place Ramuh as too far-fetched. The Sylphs are fearful in the pre-calamity world of summoning him, so they must have a particular reason for this. Maybe they did summon him back then and the affair ended rather badly. And before anyone says "seal not yet broken", recall that the Sylphs are highly skilled conjurers - it is entirely possible that there is a more complex and resource-intensive way of summoning a primal that they are familiar with.

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Originally Posted by Anonymoose

I'm not quite sure what's up with the tattoos, but I found it interesting that Lou had one tattoo, white on the left, and Uri had one tattoo, black on the right, and everyone else had two on the neck.

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Originally Posted by Anonymoose

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__...ioix_Death.jpg

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Louisoix's Sharlayan neck tattoos were hidden by his clothing most of his time and you full well know it, Mr Moose. :p That forehead tattoo was something else.

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Originally Posted by Anonymoose

Does that seem conflicting slightly with Erik's story to you?



The conflict being that The Raven's story says Ala Mhigo "claimed dominion over the East Shroud," where Erik says that the battle took place almost entirely at a sedimentary basin at the foot of an extinct volcano which marked a border between their territories - aside from when they almost pulled back into the East Shroud before the General died and his successor ordered a march even further from the wood.

I guess you could read it that they did pull back, intending to be pursued, but were ordered to march out again before that happened. It doesn't sound like Ala Mhigo ever crossed beyond the beyond Gridanian territory borders, never mind claimed a chunk of the Shroud.

I considered the possibility that perhaps the basin was in the shroud and that part of the shroud is what belonged to Ala Mhigo already ... but then they couldn't have "claimed" it to begin with, and there's no sedimentary ANYTHING in the East Shroud. There's a little bit of water from the Springripple, but that's an isolated lake (さざなみ湖).

Am I reading it wrong?

Perhaps this is like the inconsistencies we've been finding on the official site lately?

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This is a picture of an extinct volcano:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._dandenong.JPG
I grew up at its base in a characteristically sedimentary environment.

The thing about extinct volcanos is that they've had a long time to erode. And that eroded stuff has to go somewhere. Aye, you guessed it, sedimentary deposition. Forests love the stuff and the presence of dead volcanos would explain why the Shroud is so lush..

Your assertions are not inconsistent on that front.

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Originally Posted by Catapult

Louisoix's Sharlayan neck tattoos were hidden by his clothing most of his time and you full well know it, Mr Moose. :p That forehead tattoo was something else.

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I dooo. What I mean is that the face ones are unique to those two and on opposite sides, which I find interesting in light of everyone else just having the tribal hickeys. I suppose there should have been a "just" in there.

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Originally Posted by Catapult

Your assertions are not inconsistent on that front.

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I guess it comes down to whether we're talking East Shroud area or just the east of the Shroud, semantically. Or I guess it's just another one of those in-game actual versus in-game implied mappings, which we know don't sync up 100%.

I don't mean to debate the whole of the Autumn War so much as I mean to debate the idea that the Autumn War's activities were enough to rule out Odin as likely candidate. I wouldn't write off Ramuh and Shiva geographically if it weren't for Louisoix implying pretty clearly that tribe-primals were a new thing.

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Originally Posted by Louisoux

Just now I made mention of Eorzea's future. But first I must speak of the past, for that which is to come was ever the product of that which has been. Ten years ago, an event took place which shook the very foundation of Eorzea: a tribe of beasts summoned forth a primal. So began the spread of summoning till there was not a tribe in this world to whom the practice remained unknown.

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Hell, my money was originally on Ramuh until I was convinced by one of you fine forum-goers that this primal would have been seen before the battle of Silvertear Skies, leading to my new prime bet of Odin. Then you've got Ferne's assertion that this Primal's identity has been planned since the beginning, and we now have that poster depicting what is (seemingly) all of the current primals, of which 6 are (seemingly) disqualified and one was a moon at the time.

Well let me speculate from a different point of view. The point of view of Gaius van Baelsar.

As he slowly approaches the battlefield on the airship called "Xanthopan" , Gauis receives a report that Bahamut has indeed appeared.

Everything is going according to my plan thinks Gaius and orders his airship crew to prepare the laser cannon thingy (the one from the r46 mission) and the... new magitek contraption.

After the devastating rampage across Eorzea and almost being imprisoned again, Bahamut furiously starts to charge up a Megaflare oblivious to the Garlean airship approaching him.

But before Bahamut manages to finish charging up the megaflare he gets interrupted by a laser cannon bolt fired of Gaius's airship which creates a huge flash (or explosion).

Bahamut is stunned for a few seconds by the blinding white light, but before the elder primal can get his act togheter he finds himself unable to move and finally realizes there is a airship close by with a person on deck who vaguely resembles bahamut's puppet Nael van Darnus. In his hand a mysterious magitek contraption...

A second later bahamut finds himself trapped in a mysterious inescapable place which will later be known as The labyrinth of Bahamut.

As the sun begins to rise the Xantophan sets off to an unknown destination without any care for who is still left behind on the battlefield below.

Gaius while staring off in the distance mumbles to himself: ... time for the experiments to begin...


PS. Xantophan is not the real name of the airship. You can look up on the wiki what Agrius and Xantophan means.
PPS. magitek contraption? spinned it off the experiments the garleans where conducting in The Aurum Vale, Dzemael Darkhold and Toto-Rak.
PPPS. Gaius's experiments? i was thinking of the artwork released a while ago with a creature that had Gaius's upper body and head.
PPPPS. english is my third language, i tried to word it all as best i could! :P

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Yet following the subjugation of Ala Mhigo [1557], the Empire suddenly ceased its aggressive expansion.

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Ten years past [1562], the Empire battled a great dragon here in Mor Dhona. It was around that time that the Garleans called a halt to their war of conquest.

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Ah, well. Maybe SE doesn't want us to know whether the Primal was sighted before or after the Battle of Silvertear Skies... I've got a handful of quotes like this. They're consistent within 5 years, but inconsistent in terms of anything shorter. That's a whole Umbral Era's worth of time!

Door's back open on Shiva and Ramuh. I've still got 10 gil on Odin.

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Originally Posted by Sabi

Gauis receives a report that Bahamut has indeed appeared. Everything is going according to my plan thinks Gaius

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An interesting take on the story to be sure, but this part implies that Gaius schemed with Nael to do the thing he tried to talk him out of. That's the big part I disagree with. Baelsar thought Dalamud was bad news when he thought it was just a rock. No one in the Empire was prepared for Bahamut, as far as we know, except possibly Cid - who was witness to the Citadel incident. Then again, we saw Cid in the End of an Era cinematic and he looked pretty surprised.

Regardless of what was going on, though, I do feel confident that Gaius probably did not say, "My plan to fall from the Emperor's favor and be ridiculed for ten years as I serve a questionably sane Elezen while he does my job of conquering Eorzea has finally come to fruition!" which would have admittedly been pretty funny in his Judge Vader voice.

As you can tell by this thread, we know a lot about a little, and none of that lot is the little that matters. It could be anything. As I've said, my money is on Odin. He's an Elder Primal that seeks to do battle with worthy foes - there's only one other Elder Primal around here. But who knows. For all we know Odin is a guardian deity of the Allag meant to balance Bahamut and keep him locked in his Labyrinth ... which would explain why he aimlessly wandered the Shroud for aeons while the Wyrmking was playing Pluto, I guess.

I do think the Empire is doing unholy experiments with primals however...

But that is another topic... for another time...

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Originally Posted by Anonymoose

Ah, well. Maybe SE doesn't want us to know whether the Primal was sighted before or after the Battle of Silvertear Skies... I've got a handful of quotes like this. They're consistent within 5 years, but inconsistent in terms of anything shorter. That's a whole Umbral Era's worth of time!

Door's back open on Shiva and Ramuh. I've still got 10 gil on Odin.



An interesting take on the story to be sure, but this part implies that Gaius schemed with Nael to do the thing he tried to talk him out of. That's the big part I disagree with. Baelsar thought Dalamud was bad news when he thought it was just a rock. No one in the Empire was prepared for Bahamut, as far as we know, except possibly Cid - who was witness to the Citadel incident. Then again, we saw Cid in the End of an Era cinematic and he looked pretty surprised.

Regardless of what was going on, though, I do feel confident that Gaius probably did not say, "My plan to fall from the Emperor's favor and be ridiculed for ten years as I serve a questionably sane Elezen while he does my job of conquering Eorzea has finally come to fruition!" which would have admittedly been pretty funny in his Judge Vader voice.

As you can tell by this thread, we know a lot about a little, and none of that lot is the little that matters. It could be anything. As I've said, my money is on Odin. He's an Elder Primal that seeks to do battle with worthy foes - there's only one other Elder Primal around here. But who knows. For all we know Odin is a guardian deity of the Allag meant to balance Bahamut and keep him locked in his Labyrinth ... which would explain why he aimlessly wandered the Shroud for aeons while the Wyrmking was playing Pluto, I guess.

I do think the Empire is doing unholy experiments with primals however...

But that is another topic... for another time...

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Yeah that makes a good deal of sense. "Worthy" to Odin may not have been the Ala Mhigan army or the Gridania/Ishgard/Ul'dah/Limsa alliance. What would be more worthy to an Elder Primal like Odin other than another Elder Primal in Bahamut. But I wonder why Odin would choose the Twelveswood/Black Shroud to do his wandering and not Thanalan, Mor Dhona, or Coerthas. Nidhogg wasn't worthy maybe?

But back on Louisoix, I wouldn't be surprised if a new Archon pops up under the guidance of Urianger. And I wonder if SE intends to introduce the other 6 or at least the other 5 names since we know of Ahldbear.

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Ah, well. Maybe SE doesn't want us to know whether the Primal was sighted before or after the Battle of Silvertear Skies... I've got a handful of quotes like this. They're consistent within 5 years, but inconsistent in terms of anything shorter. That's a whole Umbral Era's worth of time!

Door's back open on Shiva and Ramuh. I've still got 10 gil on Odin.



An interesting take on the story to be sure, but this part implies that Gaius schemed with Nael to do the thing he tried to talk him out of. That's the big part I disagree with. Baelsar thought Dalamud was bad news when he thought it was just a rock. No one in the Empire was prepared for Bahamut, as far as we know, except possibly Cid - who was witness to the Citadel incident. Then again, we saw Cid in the End of an Era cinematic and he looked pretty surprised.

Regardless of what was going on, though, I do feel confident that Gaius probably did not say, "My plan to fall from the Emperor's favor and be ridiculed for ten years as I serve a questionably sane Elezen while he does my job of conquering Eorzea has finally come to fruition!" which would have admittedly been pretty funny in his Judge Vader voice.

As you can tell by this thread, we know a lot about a little, and none of that lot is the little that matters. It could be anything. As I've said, my money is on Odin. He's an Elder Primal that seeks to do battle with worthy foes - there's only one other Elder Primal around here. But who knows. For all we know Odin is a guardian deity of the Allag meant to balance Bahamut and keep him locked in his Labyrinth ... which would explain why he aimlessly wandered the Shroud for aeons while the Wyrmking was playing Pluto, I guess.

I do think the Empire is doing unholy experiments with primals however...

But that is another topic... for another time...

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Nah i meant that Gaius didn't believe Nael when Nael told him about Bahamut ( did Nael tell Gaius about Bahamut? )
So i should have said Gaius had 2 plans, one for if Bahamut didn't appear and one for if he did appear.

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Nah i meant that Gaius didn't believe Nael when Nael told him about Bahamut ( did Nael tell Gaius about Bahamut? )
So i should have said Gaius had 2 plans, one for if Bahamut didn't appear and one for if he did appear.

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Gaius only knew van Darnus wanted to carry on with the "Meteor Project," ala have it come crashing down on Eorzea. Turns out Dalamud (the target of the project) was a prison for Bahamut. Nael van Darnus definitely changed as he began to get closer to his goal. We don't know if even Van Darnus knew what was inside Dalamud, but he was definitely influenced by either Bahamut or the aether-aura of Dalamud (which was probably Bahamut's doing).

Gaius van Baelsar may have assumed that Dalamud was more than just a moon, but I doubt he ultimately knew it was Bahamut. And since he wears a mask, we can't really tell if he was shocked to see Bahamut as he watched from his airship. But he was definitely curious..surprised he didn't take advantage of the chaos to ensure the destruction of most of the Eorzean Alliance, most Legatus surely would have.

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Surprised he didn't take advantage of the chaos to ensure the destruction of most of the Eorzean Alliance, most Legatus surely would have.

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If I had just spent the last 10 years of my life playing second fiddle to Nael after single-handedly capturing the first Eorzean city-state... and I was watching his entire plan unravel in terms of its raw value to the Imperial agenda (especially if this included the appearance of one-if-not-two Elder Primals)... I, too, would just sit back and enjoy for a minute. I'd have earned it. Gaius had to be feeling like redemption was at hand; he predicted this would be bad for the war effort... and he'll be back on top soon enough. Remember his last words...

"Leave me something worth conquering."

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Gaius only knew van Darnus wanted to carry on with the "Meteor Project," ala have it come crashing down on Eorzea. Turns out Dalamud (the target of the project) was a prison for Bahamut. Nael van Darnus definitely changed as he began to get closer to his goal. We don't know if even Van Darnus knew what was inside Dalamud, but he was definitely influenced by either Bahamut or the aether-aura of Dalamud (which was probably Bahamut's doing).

Gaius van Baelsar may have assumed that Dalamud was more than just a moon, but I doubt he ultimately knew it was Bahamut. And since he wears a mask, we can't really tell if he was shocked to see Bahamut as he watched from his airship. But he was definitely curious..surprised he didn't take advantage of the chaos to ensure the destruction of most of the Eorzean Alliance, most Legatus surely would have.

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I think no one knew that Dalamud was more then a moon. I think Gaius knew that it would kill everything on eorzea and he could not let that happen. The reason he did not is because gaius strike me as a type of person who want to win with his own idea and plans not take advantage of something other person did. maybe he thought would make him look weak.

Also like Anonymoose said "Leave me something worth conquering." Gaius want to control eorzea while Darnus he had no patience. Maybe that was due to Bahamut controlling him in some way to make sure he get free or some other reason,.

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Remember his last words...

"Leave me something worth conquering."

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A good point there. It seems Gaius wants to be able to properly conquer, not have victory handed to him on a silver platter.

"In the midst of the chaos, however, Bahamut was enveloped in a blinding white light and abruptly disappeared from the skies. None claim to have seen the primal in the five years since."

A blinding white light? doesn't sound very Odin to me and nobody sees him doing it? Rather than fight his worthy adversary he teleports him away to the labyrinth? and he doesn't go to the labyrinth to fight him there either?


"There are none now alive who know the truth of when or by whom this elder primal was first summoned into the world."

It's up for debate but to me that says that hes been around for so long anyone who might have lived long enough to know his origins is long dead. So i don't think he could have only just appeared because of the Crystal Tower, and if he did then why does he roam the black shroud? Why not nearby the Crystal Tower? Who knows what Odin considers a worthy foe? A general? An army? An adventurer? Another primal? Or a worthy soul?

If any primal/elder primal was involved i would say it would be a certain holy missile firing artillery castle. Especially if he was inside Dalamud until the bozja citadel incident or beyound. If Alexander was originally inside Dalamud with Bahamut then he might have been the one ment to send him back to his prison should he escape.

"Housed on the Red Moon, the Giant of Babil is summoned to the Earth by gathering the Crystals at the Tower of Babil to activate a dimensional elevator." FFIV

I'm not convinced it has any connection to the primals/elder primals yet though. We still don't know anything about how Siren or Fenrir will be involved in the story either. If even any of them do. As for Louisoix i hope he doesn't do a Gandalf though if he was teleported with Bahamut, i could enjoy watching the Louilites squirm as they have to fight a tainted Louisoix. =P

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"In the midst of the chaos, however, Bahamut was enveloped in a blinding white light and abruptly disappeared from the skies. None claim to have seen the primal in the five years since."

A blinding white light? doesn't sound very Odin to me and nobody sees him doing it? Rather than fight his worthy adversary he teleports him away to the labyrinth? and he doesn't go to the labyrinth to fight him there either?


"There are none now alive who know the truth of when or by whom this elder primal was first summoned into the world."

It's up for debate but to me that says that hes been around for so long anyone who might have lived long enough to know his origins is long dead. So i don't think he could have only just appeared because of the Crystal Tower, and if he did then why does he roam the black shroud? Why not nearby the Crystal Tower? Who knows what Odin considers a worthy foe? A general? An army? An adventurer? Another primal? Or a worthy soul?

If any primal/elder primal was involved i would say it would be a certain holy missile firing artillery castle. Especially if he was inside Dalamud until the bozja citadel incident or beyound. If Alexander was originally inside Dalamud with Bahamut then he might have been the one ment to send him back to his prison should he escape.

"Housed on the Red Moon, the Giant of Babil is summoned to the Earth by gathering the Crystals at the Tower of Babil to activate a dimensional elevator." FFIV

I'm not convinced it has any connection to the primals/elder primals yet though. We still don't know anything about how Siren or Fenrir will be involved in the story either. If even any of them do. As for Louisoix i hope he doesn't do a Gandalf though if he was teleported with Bahamut, i could enjoy watching the Louilites squirm as they have to fight a tainted Louisoix. =P

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"fell knight clad all in black, Odin roams paths long forgotten beneath the canopy of the Black Shroud.
There are none now alive who know the truth of when or by whom this elder primal was first summoned into the world. Ever vigilant as he sits astride his mighty steed, Sleipnir, it is said that Odin is drivenly solely by the desire to do battle with worthy foes."


What that tell me is that Odin was always in eorzea he was just living beneath the black shroud all this time. When bahamut came and mess up eorzea many ruins of past civilizations resurface same goes with crystal tower. If you every saw part of black shroud it's so deep it's just all black. So pretty much when we walking around that area we would be the middle part of a very big tree lol. So i'm guessing someone summon him and he just stay there looking for a foe to fight. Time pass by and the tree grow and he was just trap beneath what we call now call black shroud too the event of 1.0 happen.

I'm actually wondering through which means we'll get to learn the truth to what happened, during and perhaps after that megaflare. Logically speaking, the GC leaders and Cid should be able to tell the player what happened as well. They were there as well and all survived it.

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I'm actually wondering through which means we'll get to learn the truth to what happened, during and perhaps after that megaflare. Logically speaking, the GC leaders and Cid should be able to tell the player what happened as well. They were there as well and all survived it.

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Louisioux love us so much he made a new world just like eorzea only 5years later. Everyone we really knew is dead we now living in a fake world. J/k but how lame would it be if that was the case lol.

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Everyone we really knew is dead we now living in a fake world.

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As long as, after we beat Bahamut and fade away from all that's truly real, we leave behind a heartbroken starstruck lover who mourns our passing by deciding to give up adventuring to sing scantily clad J-Pop.

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_la31n4mCJ11qbyqcv.gif

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As long as, after we beat Bahamut and fade away from all that's truly real, we leave behind a heartbroken starstruck lover who mourns our passing by deciding to give up adventuring to sing scantily clad J-Pop.

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_la31n4mCJ11qbyqcv.gif

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BUT THAT'S NOT YUNA!

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BUT THAT'S NOT YUNA!

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It's her image at least...she really did sing pop and really did wear that outfit and ... everything else. I just don't have a GIF ready of her real concert that's as funny-to-the-quote.

http://images.wikia.com/finalfantasy.../LenneYuna.jpg

I'm not going to lie, though.
I love how it actually stops to say her name across the screen.

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It's her image at least...she really did sing pop and really did wear that outfit and ... everything else. I just don't have a GIF ready of her real concert that's as funny-to-the-quote.

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Oh, I don't remember that, just that bit of the intro where it's Leblanc disguised as her. It has been ten years though, and I think I played a lot of it very late at night, so please excuse me on the details. Looking forward to picking it up in HerpDerp at the end of the year.

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I'm not going to lie, though.
I love how it actually stops to say her name across the screen.

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It floats a question mark through it. Ya gotta pick up on these little visual clues, yah? ;)

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Oh, I don't remember that, just that bit of the intro where it's Leblanc disguised as her.

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I had to look it up on the FF Wiki and edit that post like 10 times just to be consistent with reality, trust me.

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It floats a question mark through it. Ya gotta pick up on these little visual clues, yah? ;)

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This is one of those times my brain thinks something is there for stylistic value and didn't bother to read into it, lol.

Still, in the unlikely event that there's a single grain of truth in Zenaku's words, I vote Minfilia.

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Still, in the unlikely event that there's a single grain of truth in Zenaku's words, I vote Minfilia.

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In that costume? Too right.

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In that costume? Too right.

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...couldn't hurt. I hear the Coliseum has a nice selection, if she's into Ul'dahn chic.

Anonymoose Pauses.

Wow, will you look at what happens to the lore forum when there's no Lore?

I better get back to the big piece we're working on...

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...couldn't hurt. I hear the Coliseum has a nice selection, if she's into Ul'dahn chic.

Anonymoose Pauses.

Wow, will you look at what happens to the lore forum when there's no Lore?

I better get back to the big piece we're working on...

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Anonymoose and Minfilia sitting in a tree...E-C-H-O-I-N-G, first comes woosh, then comes something, then something something something something something

I wouldn't put it past her to strut her stuff in her new dressphere:
http://images.wikia.com/finalfantasy...ia_Artwork.jpg