Where's the fire?

It seems to be a huge issue lately. I queue up and as soon as I get into the instance, I try to go to party chat and say "hello" to everyone. You know. Trying to be nice and friendly. However, frequently, I'm mid-typing and the darn tank takes off. Not only now I have to cancel out my text, but I'm playing catch-up with some goon who couldn't wait a couple seconds. I don't tank often, but isn't one of the rules "don't ever leave your healer behind"? It should be.

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Originally Posted by ijuakos_xqwzts

It seems to be a huge issue lately. I queue up and as soon as I get into the instance, I try to go to party chat and say "hello" to everyone. You know. Trying to be nice and friendly. However, frequently, I'm mid-typing and the darn tank takes off. Not only now I have to cancel out my text, but I'm playing catch-up with some goon who couldn't wait a couple seconds. I don't tank often, but isn't one of the rules "don't ever leave your healer behind"? It should be.

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Just type hello as you're loading into the instance, and you're now ready to keep up with the rest of the party. Alternatively there is auto walk or follow for the second or 2 it takes to type hello.

this is one reason a lot of people go for shorthand like " o/ ". It's easy to slip in, even as the tank pulling everything. :p


On this note, I gotta say some tanks pop sprint a little too soon and I've passed them by at a regular pace as they try to pull. And so I wait ;)

I play a WAR, I do what I want!

Everyone has sprint, even the healer. Nobody is being left behind.
That being said, I always greet everyone before launching myself into the blood of my enemies at mach 7.

while one of the rules is indeed supposed to be dont leave the healer behind, SE decided healers are unneccessary unless you are a drk. Not to mention with how dull dungeons are people just want them done

Something to consider: Set up a macro for a greeting and maybe even an exit message. While it may seem corny to do so, believe me when I say I appreciate people's effort to put some good vibes out there. :)

To be fair, you have from the time you enter the duty queue to the time that you "accept" the queue pop to type a greeting if you want to.

Or, between accepting and actually loading into the game; Unless everyone in the party has an SSD, that alone should be plenty of time to type "Hi everyone!"

Are you specifically naming everyone in the group or something? Because that's what it sounds like if you have to dump mid-typing.

Regardless, Tanks have plenty of self sustain that you finishing your typing and catching up would likely be fine. However, everyone is just there to get the dungeon done, not really to socialize.

Except that one time where I got into an instance and the doorbell rang (I was expecting a package) and the tank jumps to warp before I could inform them I needed a sec. Can't really macro that. The tank was the only one in the group who didn't greet (even the deeps did the weird o/ thing). And then loses his marbles when he dies. So yeah... when tanks run off as soon as the barrier drops, it's really off-putting.

"Hello" and "GG" at the end is as big of a conversation as you are going to get in a roulette 99.999% of the time. People generally aren't there to socialize. They are there to get their tomes/gear and get out. If you are wanting to socialize, the DF is probably not the place to actively seek it out. lol

I personally just type “o/“ or “hi” or “hiya” while we’re running to the first pack if I don’t get it out while the barrier is still up. And then a “tyfp” or “tyty” as we’re about to leave. I haven’t noticed any difference in the way people start a dungeon compared to usual. Usually if I have one where we stand at the entrance and don’t immediately set off to the first trash pack, it’s incredibly awkward because no one is saying anything.

I greet with:

• Hello
• Hullo
• \o/
• Ciao

or not greet at all when I don't feel like to.

I bid farewell with:

• Tyty
• Tyfr~
• Take care
• Or any combinations of the above.

or just bolt out immediately because the rest did the same or because the run was a terribad ones and I just want to get out of the scene ASAP.

Once in a blue moon I'll came across with chatty group. Yet unfortunately so, most of players you see in DFs are potentially those who just want to get their roulette cleared ASAP after seeing said dungeon 100+ times.

If your tank is a WAR they don't even need healing anymore. So type away!

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Originally Posted by Recon1o6

while one of the rules is indeed supposed to be dont leave the healer behind, SE decided healers are unnecessary unless you are a drk. Not to mention with how dull dungeons are people just want them done

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Maybe I'm getting old, but I've run the things at mach 10 so often that I'd rather slow down a minute or two and exchange pleasantries a bit. I barely even see the good old 'o/' and 'gj ty' anymore.

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Also, has anyone noticed healers not wanting to heal much these days? Like to the point of just straight up letting you die sometimes?
I mean, sure, WAR is meme tier self-healing, but I'm not playing a WAR, and in my experience even WAR needs the DPS to be chewing through the packs at a decent clip in order to actually get away with not needing a healer.

I greet regardless of which role I play. I also usually do it while sprinting. I also sometimes have a conversation mid-combat if any of my friends are there. I also mostly use auto-translate if things are too hairy for me to type coherent details.
I highly recommend getting used to auto-translate for quicker communication~

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Originally Posted by ijuakos_xqwzts

Except that one time where I got into an instance and the doorbell rang (I was expecting a package) and the tank jumps to warp before I could inform them I needed a sec. Can't really macro that. The tank was the only one in the group who didn't greet (even the deeps did the weird o/ thing). And then loses his marbles when he dies. So yeah... when tanks run off as soon as the barrier drops, it's really off-putting.

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So, one super fringe scenario which could have been resolved by a quick "sec"? You don't need to type out "Dear sirs/madams, I would like to apologize to everyone. A person has shown up at my door and pressed the button that makes a ringing sound. This person is delivering a package which I ordered a few days ago and due to the content it needs to be signed for, therefore I cannot just let them leave it on the porch. I'll only need 2-4 minutes to go to my door and grab the package and sign for it and then I will be able to return and we can get this dungeon started. I hope that everyone is ok with that."

Just:

"sec"
"back sorry, door."

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Originally Posted by Jandor

Maybe I'm getting old, but I've run the things at mach 10 so often that I'd rather slow down a minute or two and exchange pleasantries a bit. I barely even see the good old 'o/' and 'gj ty' anymore.

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Also, has anyone noticed healers not wanting to heal much these days? Like to the point of just straight up letting you die sometimes?
I mean, sure, WAR is meme tier self-healing, but I'm not playing a WAR, and in my experience even WAR needs the DPS to be chewing through the packs at a decent clip in order to actually get away with not needing a healer.

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Create a roulette party finder. People will join, you can talk to them, you'll get them through multiple dungeons and can really sit there and socialize instead of building a rapport with someone who will be gone and out of your life in 15 minutes.

Also, is the second part of this post troll bait or something?

Roulettes are only done not to be enjoyed but to be tolerated and are essentially a chore that people do for other benefits. And like all chores you wanna do it ASAP

I see tons of potential in them but the devs continuously refuse to make it anything but a chore. And the attitude for doing them will not change. Hence why so many leave the party after a wipe

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Originally Posted by ijuakos_xqwzts

It seems to be a huge issue lately. I queue up and as soon as I get into the instance, I try to go to party chat and say "hello" to everyone. You know. Trying to be nice and friendly. However, frequently, I'm mid-typing and the darn tank takes off. Not only now I have to cancel out my text, but I'm playing catch-up with some goon who couldn't wait a couple seconds. I don't tank often, but isn't one of the rules "don't ever leave your healer behind"? It should be.

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I'm the tank main now so I'm usually the last one.
I eat food and use xp scroll at beginning then type hello and yeah usually the dps are running around like rabid cats, but you do have to understand they've been waiting in a dps queue for 3 days.

Play tank, party moves at your speed!

https://media.gq.com/photos/5c3374b4...-503902824.jpg

When I play as a healer, I wait for no one, run to the front and pull everything if tank is too slow :)

When I play as a tank, I stop for 1-3 sec at the mombs to make sure I pulled the full group and then I move and I absolutely hate when others pull before me.

I know exactly that the second behavior should teach my first behavior to stop, but it doesnt.

Humans work like this.

I play on SSD so I have no issue saying hello.

Also If you want time to speak to people, turn back on the cutscenes and then you can talk while the cutscene play because the game doesnt start until everyone finished with the initial cutscene.

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Originally Posted by LeonKeyh

Create a roulette party finder. People will join, you can talk to them, you'll get them through multiple dungeons and can really sit there and socialize instead of building a rapport with someone who will be gone and out of your life in 15 minutes.

Also, is the second part of this post troll bait or something?

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There are plenty of activities in life that involve people I'll never see again completing tasks for/with me in a timely & efficient manner, I still exchange the usual 'hello, thank you, goodbye' pleasantries because it's the polite thing to do.

No, the second part is not bait. A lot of the jobs complaints since Endwalker came out have been focused around tanks not needing healers and healers not needing to use their GCD heals, these things are true under a lot of circumstances, but they are not universally true.

I always greet with "hiii" during the loading screen, and I have no problem with waiting if the healer is way behind so they can catch up or if someone has to go quick AFK.

I always have more than enough time to greet everyone before we can start pulling and, as a tank, I always start running as soon as the barrier drops. However, I always turn my camera to see if the rest of the party, the healer especially, is at least moving. If they are not I stop and wait for them, no biggy. Sometimes your party wants a very fast pace and sometimes they want to go a bit slower. I have no problem adapting to whatever pace they prefer.

Don't worry about it. You have sprint and can dash to a mob. If they are dumb enough to pull 5 mobs with no one else around, its their problem at the end of the day

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Originally Posted by ijuakos_xqwzts

However, frequently, I'm mid-typing and the darn tank takes off.

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Type faster.

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Except that one time where I got into an instance and the doorbell rang (I was expecting a package) and the tank jumps to warp before I could inform them I needed a sec.

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Seriously, type faster.

Auto walk and macro wave

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Originally Posted by ijuakos_xqwzts

even the deeps did the weird o/

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Is waving hello that weird?
ノ

I usually also just o/ and zoom off. I like sozializing but daily expert is not tinder and I just want to be done with it quickly as it's not content I enjoy, unless I go with friends and do 3 DPS runs, at least it feels like I have something to do then.

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

On this note, I gotta say some tanks pop sprint a little too soon

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I think the optimal time is after tagging the first pack if not mistaken than pop sprint to the next pack allowing for a small amount of times and zero damage coming in until reaching the next pack. (depending on the dungeon and this is just personal optimization >.< )Must agree with this sometimes many pop sprint right at the start while you attempt to summon a fairy. I always try to keep aware of my party sometimes people have potatos for computers or even the loading bug I get sometimes where I will load in so darn slow, and have no clue what causes it but it happens randomly to many people I play with varying different computer configurations too.

I say nothing and straight to wall pull, no reason to even talk, unless given a reason too.

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Originally Posted by Faafetai

I think the optimal time is after tagging the first pack if not mistaken than pop sprint to the next pack allowing for a small amount of times and zero damage coming in until reaching the next pack. (depending on the dungeon and this is just personal optimization >.< )Must agree with this sometimes many pop sprint right at the start while you attempt to summon a fairy. I always try to keep aware of my party sometimes people have potatos for computers or even the loading bug I get sometimes where I will load in so darn slow, and have no clue what causes it but it happens randomly to many people I play with varying different computer configurations too.

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You should always pop sprint before you tag the first group. Sprint out of combat is 20 seconds, sprint in-combat is 10 seconds. I imagine that a lot of tanks tag sprint "too soon" so that at the very least the healer has time to pop sprint before the tank actually tags the first group (the tank should make sure the healer popped it though). There's definitely a sweet spot, but the worst times for the tank to pop sprint would be 10+ seconds before they tag the first group or <1 second before they tag the first group.

If they tag the first group RIGHT after they pop sprint, they're going to have ~18 seconds worth of sprint while everyone else will had 10 seconds and it will be harder for them to keep up. If they pop sprint more than 10 seconds before they tag that first group, they may have well just popped sprint after the pull.

I usually pop sprint a couple of seconds before pull and then hold a couple of seconds if I don't see the healer pop sprint.

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Originally Posted by LeonKeyh

I imagine that a lot of tanks tag sprint "too soon" so that at the very least the healer has time to pop sprint before the tank actually tags the first group (the tank should make sure the healer popped it though).

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You give people too much credit. :D The most ridiculous time I can think of is blowing sprint in Stigmascape before the slide.

As far as proper timing goes, both of you are right. Popping just before you get to a pull gives enough time, but popping after you secure aggro on the first set works too. Some areas like the 2nd stage of Dead Ends will have mobs aggro from further away, shortening your timer and force a bit of a learning curve.

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

You give people too much credit. :D The most ridiculous time I can think of is blowing sprint in Stigmascape before the slide.

As far as proper timing goes, both of you are right. Popping just before you get to a pull gives enough time, but popping after you secure aggro on the first set works too. Some areas like the 2nd stage of Dead Ends will have mobs aggro from further away, shortening your timer and force a bit of a learning curve.

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Right, it's rare but there are a handful of dungeons where mobs will aggro you once you cross a particular line rather than when you're in "aggro range", the other big dungeons I can think of that do that are Ala Mhigo, Holminster (specifically the mob that breaks down the fence), and Mt. Gulg.

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Originally Posted by LeonKeyh

There's definitely a sweet spot, but the worst times for the tank to pop sprint would be 10+ seconds before they tag the first group or <1 second before they tag the first group.

If they tag the first group RIGHT after they pop sprint, they're going to have ~18 seconds worth of sprint while everyone else will had 10 seconds and it will be harder for them to keep up. If they pop sprint more than 10 seconds before they tag that first group, they may have well just popped sprint after the pull.

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Healers and dps don't get aggro on trash until they hit something or heal the tank, so there's no problem with them sprinting after the tank hits a group.

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Originally Posted by Launched

Healers and dps don't get aggro on trash until they hit something or heal the tank, so there's no problem with them sprinting after the tank hits a group.

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Except the tank will possibly be 8 seconds of sprint ahead of them if it's a long pull to the wall. That is the problem. Tank will be there alone fighting, which I know isn't a big deal with the survivability of tanks now, but it's still "not great."

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Originally Posted by LeonKeyh

Except the tank will possibly be 8 seconds of sprint ahead of them if it's a long pull to the wall. That is the problem. Tank will be there alone fighting, which I know isn't a big deal with the survivability of tanks now, but it's still "not great."

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Where are you getting this 8 second difference? You're making it sound like the healers/dps are only getting a 10s sprint.

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Originally Posted by Launched

Where are you getting this 8 second difference? You're making it sound like the healers/dps are only getting a 10s sprint.

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In my example, they are, because they hit sprint after the pull.... Sprint Duration is 20 seconds out of combat and 10 seconds in combat.

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Originally Posted by LeonKeyh

In my example, they are, because they hit sprint after the pull.... Sprint Duration is 20 seconds out of combat and 10 seconds in combat.

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DPS and healers don't enter combat until they hit an enemy or heal/buff someone in combat (the tank). They can pop sprint after the tank hits something and still get the full 20 seconds. Only bosses instantly put the entire group into combat.

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Originally Posted by ijuakos_xqwzts

It seems to be a huge issue lately. I queue up and as soon as I get into the instance, I try to go to party chat and say "hello" to everyone. You know. Trying to be nice and friendly. However, frequently, I'm mid-typing and the darn tank takes off. Not only now I have to cancel out my text, but I'm playing catch-up with some goon who couldn't wait a couple seconds. I don't tank often, but isn't one of the rules "don't ever leave your healer behind"? It should be.

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I usually type my (hello)(let's have fun) and CTRL+C while in queue then do a quick paste once the game displays Light Party or Full Party, as the case may be. That way I don't get left behind or piss people off for not starting fast enough when tanking.

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Originally Posted by Launched

DPS and healers don't enter combat until they hit an enemy or heal/buff someone in combat (the tank). They can pop sprint after the tank hits something and still get the full 20 seconds. Only bosses instantly put the entire group into combat.

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You mean like whenever a healer has a shield and/or regen on the tank? If any DPS have buffs running? If the DPS starts DPSing for some reason before seeing the tank's sprint icon? Those aren't fringe scenarios.