I Really Want To Enjoy Monk....

I just can't. Honestly if we look at everything we have on Monk and after putting it into practice a bit, I can say that it's been thoroughly ruined.

Pros:
Under 2 second GCD. I LOVE this. Please I want more of this, feels so good.
Fluid control over combo direction. PB giving the 3 free skills and ending with formless fist is so nice for actually picking your spells, but really destroys the 'combo' feeling of the class. You do really get to pick the spells you use though more freely so I list this as a pro.
Hight Potency. Honestly I think Monks will be top DPS, for if that matters to you or not. We got big numbers and they come fast.
Personally I think Thunderclap is so cool. I wish it had potency on enemy, but the utility on it is nice and it looks cool so I'm in for it.
30 second forms is nice. Not sure the practicality of it but it's just worth mentioning.
Phantom Rush looks really cool :D

Cons:
oGCD culling and moving them to Blitz as a Weaponskill really makes the class feel barren and empty.
No new skills. I refuse to consider Riddle of Wind an ability or skill. It's just not a well designed ability. We have the new blitz system, yes. But it takes old abilities that were already removed from the class (Steel Peaks and Howling Fist) and gives it to us in a new form as 'new' and then upgrades it as our 80-90 TRAITS. Only traits from 80-90 mind you.
Removed positionals. Refer to positional thread: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...ositionals-6.0
STILL useless abilities. How Anatman and Six-Sided Star still have the same functionality is beyond me.

I WANT to like this class because it's nice for Monk to finally be getting some attention, but there's just so much going wrong for the class at the moment that I just can't. The class is just straight up bland. Honestly this is the worst rendition of the class I have ever seen. I have optimistically high hopes that things change, but in it's current state I just feel they've taken my favorite class and dunked it in a toilet after a fat man decimates it after thanksgiving.

Monk was under 2 second GCD prior to EW beforehand. Perfect Balance used to let you freestyle before. Skills like Tornado Kick had relatively high potency (600, IIRC?) like. All of your pros were pros back in SHB.

At best monk does what it used to do, but worse. At worst they gutted the class of a lot of what it used to do well and made it slower, weaker and clunkier.

I really am a bit pissed that they just took ogcds and turned them into gcds, like holy hell they just can't make their minds up about Tornado Kick.
And Elixir Field just why?

I do like Beast Chakra but I don't like how they just took ogcds and put them in there.

Monk feel like a fraud, a scam.

To me there's definitely good thing but, the fact that they took so much away from Monk and got so little as a return is ( to me outrageous... ).
There is barely no trade off, just a ripped off.
I'm currently thinking into reaching SE somehow even wrote in japanese whatever and send complaint... The problem is it have been YEARS of "wtf" Monk.

Put some Goddamn effort on this job... Just looking at DRG ( especially DRG who have been capable of great change and evolving properly ) NIN SAM and RPR now, it's clear that they don't know how to handle it. If they don't know at least they should give us back positionals. I don't care if people complaint about monk complaining, i'm gonna whine all day long until they make it back.

I'll took the time to xp with Monk to get a "real" feedback at 90.

Regardless, if a job should get a "scammed" title it'll be MNK...

This might feel like a small thing but I don't get why Thunderclap needs to have charges.
Why can't it be just an infinite ability?
It's especially annoying because a trait gets wasted on it, lvl 84 could've been way more interesting ( maybe something to replace Elixir Field or a new ogcd? ).

I love Thunderclap it feels great to use, it just feels pointless that it has charges.
Two is enough already but even just for the sake of fun and also to make MNK feel more mobile it might as well just be an ability with no cd and lvl 84 could've gotten something more interesting.

MNK is going to need some adjustments. Just continue to give feedback in the form of constructive criticism and suggestions.

I'm still lv80 as I have been spending countless hours on dummies, dungeons, and NM raids. I managed to put together a rotation that is comparable damage (scaled down) to what I was putting out before. I can already see two significant changes that will improve the flow. Meditation skills are oGCD, and I believe the Masterful Blitz skills should also be placed on the oGCD. This will work just fine, and I am not sure why they chose to place them on the GCD. I am positive that this change will happen likely in 6.1. The second is I am finding zero reason to remove the positional skills. Any of them. I'm still doing them.

The only thing I feel they need to do in regards to positional skills is let the leaden fist buff also remove positional requirements. I think and hope that they will add back a flank and rear bonus. I'm just not as confident about it as I am the blitz skills being moved to oGCD.

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Originally Posted by Kolsykol

This might feel like a small thing but I don't get why Thunderclap needs to have charges.
Why can't it be just an infinite ability?
It's especially annoying because a trait gets wasted on it, lvl 84 could've been way more interesting ( maybe something to replace Elixir Field or a new ogcd? ).

I love Thunderclap it feels great to use, it just feels pointless that it has charges.
Two is enough already but even just for the sake of fun and also to make MNK feel more mobile it might as well just be an ability with no cd and lvl 84 could've gotten something more interesting.

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Honestly that trait should give monk a third PB charge to make it feel less awkward and, like you say, give thunderclap infinite charges. There's no harm to having mobility that lets you zap around without doing damage.

MNK should be a 1.5 gcd job with very limited ogcds imo. Anyone who did DRS as MNK with augmented law gear knows how intense and exhilarating it can get and that's not even 1.5 (not without added buffs/essences). Only 82 MNK atm but I kinda wish that thunderclap worked as is AND, had the option the dash forward similar to DNC so you can dash w/o a target needed.

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Originally Posted by Kolsykol

I really am a bit pissed that they just took ogcds and turned them into gcds, like holy hell they just can't make their minds up about Tornado Kick.
And Elixir Field just why?

I do like Beast Chakra but I don't like how they just took ogcds and put them in there.

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AFAIK they basically want to enforce the Chakra oGCD design mixed with way too many buff oGCDs. No, you have what...4 oGCD buffs now? Riddle of Fire, Wind, Brotherhood and perfect balance now? The class was always a bit too fast for how many oGCDs it had, so I find this largely a welcome change, but at the same time it also kind of is inundated with silly oGCDs again.

Funnily enough, it has the same problem as Bard had in the past of relying heavily on a bad RNG mechanic to handle chakra, as well as overcap problems. Oh well, hopefully they refine it with time.

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Originally Posted by Taranok

AFAIK they basically want to enforce the Chakra oGCD design mixed with way too many buff oGCDs. No, you have what...4 oGCD buffs now? Riddle of Fire, Wind, Brotherhood and perfect balance now? The class was always a bit too fast for how many oGCDs it had, so I find this largely a welcome change, but at the same time it also kind of is inundated with silly oGCDs again.

Funnily enough, it has the same problem as Bard had in the past of relying heavily on a bad RNG mechanic to handle chakra, as well as overcap problems. Oh well, hopefully they refine it with time.

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I never felt like ogcds were a problem before on MNK.
It's DRG that wanted/ wants to stay away from sks like the plague because it screws with their double weaving.
They have way more of it now too, I actually feel the difference pretty clearly on Reaper too feels like I am weaving more it's a bit sad.

Personally I think that they could make MNK feel less empty during downtime by making it so Snap Punch and Demolish also gave a Chakra if you hit the positionals.

MNK never had a oGCD problem in Shadowbringers, like positionals there is no reason to take away oGCD UNLESS dev team had no time to finish off or got lazy on it.

All skills we got was previously here beside Rising Phoenix and PR !
( not including buff or aoe skills )( Celestial Revolution was an ancient pvp skill too )
oGCD was available for free before putting "price" on it without any compensation ! <= that's key.

That's my biggest issue alongside with positionals removal, if we really look into, it seem that dev team was in a rush and had to make this up quickly in a way that works.
What they have done is not a remade or whatever, it is the same thing they have done in Stormblood with new gauge and stuff like that, nothing barely new.

I'm in love with Thunderclap !

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Originally Posted by Yokubo

I WANT to like this class because it's nice for Monk to finally be getting some attention, but there's just so much going wrong for the class at the moment that I just can't.

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The issue is still that nobody at SE actually gives a damn about the job. Literally just throwing fancy animations (and animations we lost from previous expansions) at the job to placate an increasingly small group of players who have been screaming for the better part of a decade for anything more than the rotted scraps we've been getting fastball'd at us. Not once have they actually addressed the concerns of people who actually play this job to any degree of competency, instead listening to people who literally refused to even try it because, at one point, it had two more buttons with positional requirements than other melee jobs.

Expect nothing from SE about Monks, until they actually show their work. Whatever the heck Endwalker Monk is supposed to be, this ain't it.

I'm glad but also disappointed that my feelings aren't alone in that the class had not received the work it deserved.

The 1.5 gcd would make me so thrilled, but then you just have a class that attacks even faster but serves no purpose. Honestly even if positional were returned I doubt the class would still be fun because that doesn't defeat the lack-luster mechanics of the class anymore. Blitz should have a more fulfilling purpose than to just reward Perfect Balance with a big hit.

There were some ingenious recommendations for the class to overhaul the chakra system back before the job actions were revealed. Honestly since Square Enix clearly has Monk even below Blue Mage on their priority list I think they should seriously consider just looking through the recommendations from the people who actually play the class.

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Originally Posted by Kolsykol

This might feel like a small thing but I don't get why Thunderclap needs to have charges.
Why can't it be just an infinite ability?
It's especially annoying because a trait gets wasted on it, lvl 84 could've been way more interesting ( maybe something to replace Elixir Field or a new ogcd? ).

I love Thunderclap it feels great to use, it just feels pointless that it has charges.
Two is enough already but even just for the sake of fun and also to make MNK feel more mobile it might as well just be an ability with no cd and lvl 84 could've gotten something more interesting.

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I love the thunderclap ability, and totally agree that it shouldn't be barred behind charges. It makes me feel more like my fav anime characters, like Goku, or Ichigo and many others.

It's really a love hate relationship now with Monk, there are changes that i think are good and some not so good. I just ran a lv 50 dungeon, and i must say i'm utterly pissed at how deceiving SE is and the lack of creativity put into it. For one, Steel Peak is LITERALLY Shoulder tackle animation, it has NOTHING to do with the Image in the Icon. FFS it is SUCH A LET DOWN when you use it, even my BS has a better visual. You'd think that upon getting 5 stacks of Chakra you'd get to use an awesome ability, nope~ you literally don't see it, it's like WTF did i just do? At least Howling Fist has a more satisfying feel to it when you use it.

there really is more changes that i dislike than the changes that I do like. hopefully they are reading and listening to our feedback and make changes as we go. otherwise there's gonna be another rework again... sigh..

Plentiful Harvest on Reaper gives 50 Shroud Gauge so you can Enshroud during your burst phase every 120s.

Why doesn't Brotherhood at least do this for MNK with Perfect Balance?
Make it reset Perfect Balance.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

The second is I am finding zero reason to remove the positional skills. Any of them. I'm still doing them.

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So they shouldn't have removed them because YOU, only you, are still doing them.

I am so happy they are gone, for multiple reasons now.

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Originally Posted by Navnav

So they shouldn't have removed them because YOU, only you, are still doing them.

I am so happy they are gone, for multiple reasons now.

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No. What I am saying is the changes to PB and adding Blitz doesn't impact the job enough to warrant the removal of these requirements.

What has impacted MNKs flow is placing their oGCD skills on the GCD, and changing the CD durations on RoF, Brotherhood, and Perfect Balance. These are the changes that are making MNK feel totally different, and I find the arguments over whether to bring back the positional requirements or to stay rid of them to be entirely redundant right now. They need to get this job back on the tracks before we can really start discussing that.

They took oGCDs away because they didn't want to fix Chakra overcap I guess. So, instead of drifting TK and EF outside of burst windows they instead opted to force them onto the GCD for Blitzes. I don't know how I really feel about the loss of positionals, on one hand I liked optimizing my TN/RoE usages throughout a fight to maximise them, but at the same time the even minute burst windows with double PB back to back would require a lot more flank > rear movement due to the inconsistencies in which we enter the burst window. For reference, most jobs usually enter there bursts at set GCDs throughout their rotation making it easy to predict. EW MNK however isn't entirely like that, there are 2 scenarios for our one minute burst RoF, and 2 for our even minute burst windows; all of which can change if there is any amount of downtime. Of course, there are some general 'rules' to follow to make it easier, but it requires foresight into when RoF is coming off of CD in relation to which form you will be in. Dare I say I'm actually enjoying this iteration of MNK too, though I wish they addressed the real concerns that we've been spouting over the last 4.5 years - chakra cap increase, and make Anatman useful. I enjoy 6SS for what it is, purely disengage tool, it's niche but it has uses in fights that don't have full uptime or phase transitions.

My post in the positionals thread was quite dismayed, but I'm...not disliking it so far. Currently lv86, not that it gets anything truly new from 81-90. I mained it in ARR, and it's been a close secondary since until now where I decided to go back to it because MCH was too easy for my tastes.

It might just admittedly be obfuscation from the changes betraying 8 years of habit, but I'm finding them distracting enough to not really be concerned about positionals atm. Not that I don't keep running to the rear for Bootshine because gosh undoing 8 years of muscle memory is impossible. In a dummy / full uptime situation it's probably more straightforward than it's ever been, but since that's rarely the case in actual fights, it's been quite intense having to make quick decisions about where to realign everything or restart my combos with so many free stance gcds, it's a bit overwhelming in the heat of combat sometimes, maybe it's just me. I suppose it doesn't help that the buff icon for Twin Snakes is completely different making me blindly drop it sometimes too because I don't scan that distinct pinkish look on my buffs. It does feel horrible when something becomes untargetable just as you execute a Blitz though and don't get the Nadi.

I dunno, I think it's alright. So far. Not amazing, but I'm not like...immediately repulsed either. The blitzes do feel really weighty when used, especially TK. I'm not too bothered about the loss of OGCDs, pressing EF/TK like once, maybe twice, outside of buff windows isn't exactly a big loss to me, outside of trash aoe in the case EF anyway. Although Riddle of Wind could be repurposed into something more impactful feeling; maybe activating an ogcd continuation-like combo every 90s only you can weave whenever you want and it expires after 3 uses. And Shoulder Tackle being tied to damage was just irritating as hell personally, good riddance. I'll have to wait until max level and the new rotations / reallignment priority becomes second nature before really knowing how I feel though, as I said the changes are blindsiding me too much to have time to think about what the positionals were..those PB charges go by quicker than I'd think. I don't think it's boring at least.

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Originally Posted by Aeliott

In a dummy / full uptime situation it's probably more straightforward than it's ever been, but since that's rarely the case in actual fights, it's been quite intense having to make quick decisions about where to realign everything or restart my combos with so many free stance gcds, it's a bit overwhelming in the heat of combat sometimes, maybe it's just me.

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Imo i pretty much guarantee it´s just a matter of "how to get used too".

We´ve to learn a new rotation and that´s it, we´ve to get used to new bosses too. In the end we´re going to play the rotation pretty much flawless even if we´ve to leave the boss for some seconds. But stuff like that has always been a thing.
Blitz isn´t really something like "you can choose what you want". Of course you can, but you don´t want to do it. You still want to get as much buffed Bootshines as possible, which means you´ll always go for DK + BS in any Lunar or TK PB. So far it´s just a mindtrick to let the player feeling like "you´ve a choice". In fact, you don´t really have one.

In dungeons it doesn´t even matter. They´re still braindead as before and since the length of any fight on addpulls depends on the tank / 2. dd too, you´ll never know with which cooldowns you arrive at any boss.

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Originally Posted by ssunny2008

Blitz isn´t really something like "you can choose what you want". Of course you can, but you don´t want to do it. You still want to get as much buffed Bootshines as possible, which means you´ll always go for DK + BS in any Lunar or TK PB. So far it´s just a mindtrick to let the player feeling like "you´ve a choice". In fact, you don´t really have one.

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I know what you mean; naturally you still want to generate as many Leaden Fist Bootshines as possible. It's just when you get to that point where you want to get the lunar nadi, sometimes it's hard to time it right after a Twin+Demo refresh depending on downtime and such. There may be ways of circumventing that by moving around the order of things before you get to that point, depending on the severity of the downtime, but it's still something to mentally juggle, and something that will vary and change the flow of the job on a fight by fight basis. I guess I'm saying that's the main cause of my "distraction", specifically the lunar nadi when you can't effectively go right into triple (well, quadruple) Opo form.

There may not be a choice in what's objectively best to do in PB, but you still have to ensure you're able to execute what's best by ensuring TwS and Demo have ample time without delaying buffs or forsaking triple Opo entirely; which downtime easily throws off. A less-caring player could do triple Raptor or something (or Celestial Revolution, lulz), but there's definitely a ceiling of less-obvious optimisations for the more astute players. What's best isn't a choice, but it's not something you can just mindlessly perform when buffs are up every time either, at least not the lunar nadi. Sometimes in such dilemmas maybe it's best to let Twin/Demo drop if it'll be brief. In some fights this might be as simple as swapping the order in which you get Nadis. That said, I'm not denying that it is indeed something to get used to, and it's in all likelihood at least somewhat easier than I'm currently finding it to think about. But even if it is not too difficult, I'm unsure of whether or not it would necessarily lower the job for me. Still gonna be more challenging than several other DPS at any rate. But compared to old MNK...that's gonna be a debate for some time.

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Originally Posted by Navnav

"why is everyone blasting my opinion, im just here to discuss not trolling, real talk no cap family"

"lol people who miss positionals are whiners and im glad theyre unhappy"

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You gave up the game, dawg

On the bright side, at least our job isn't overplayed. I've always liked doing things that aren't popular.

To me it feels like they dumbed down the class by getting rid of positionals. Only two skills have positionals now. What is the point? Im having a hard time getting into the new system because all of the new skills seem pointless. They are all AOE attacks. Just seems pointless and more complex of a class to play now. But hey thats just me. I've always mained a MNK, but it might be time for a change.

Also all of the people that complained about MNK and the whole positional thing arent even playing MNK let alone melee classes. They are and for the most part are all still ranged players.

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Originally Posted by ArcadianGenesis

On the bright side, at least our job isn't overplayed. I've always liked doing things that aren't popular.

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Well that's true lol.
It's actually one of the things sorta making me second guess Reaper.

I am leveling them both tho taking breaks in the MSQ to keep them both around the same level.

Screw that, I refuse to play anything that's "flavor of the month" unless it happens to be monk. I'll level reaper just for the story, but I'm not doing any multiplayer content with it.

I am only level 85, but I ran a few new duties earlier this morning, and.. Yeah



Monk hits hard..

But at what cost? There is no flow and the whole Blitz thing seems to just be something I need to manage and do as opposed to it being intertwined into the class. I don't want Blitz to feel like a chore.

It feels like SE took the core of Monk away:

- Greased Lightning
- Positionals

And slapped on a tried and true design that they more or less BORROWED from other melee jobs.



Like sure one could say that positionals were a chore and that's fine I wouldn't want someone to play something that they don't like, and there are FOUR other melee jobs to choose from.

But if I find Blitz to be a chore, too homogenized, and lacking identity... What do I get?

'Monk changes are for the better of the community'
'Most people didn't like positionals anyway'
'I'm glad positionals are gone as I hated them to the core'
'SE wants Monk to be more accessible for players. This is a step in that direction'

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Originally Posted by Sal8050

I've always mained a MNK, but it might be time for a change.

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Same.. I may swap to RPR if it feels good.

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Originally Posted by Sal8050

Also all of the people that complained about MNK and the whole positional thing aren't even playing MNK let alone melee classes. They are and for the most part are all still ranged players.

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Yeah.. And it is pretty common for non-monk players or even monk players to ask for a ranged ability for monk because ????

I don't rly agree at all that Blitz feels like a chore, the issue with it is mostly imo that they took ogcds and turned them into gcds instead of new abilities.
Tornado Kick and Elixir Field should still be ogcds.

Rising Phoenix and Flint Strike should be the two ones and then Phantom Rush the finisher.
It really just feels like Elixir Field and Tornado Kick were just '' removed '' because they wanted something for lower levels and synced content and didn't want to come up with new animations...

Either they should be new animations that gets upgraded later or the final ones should just always be the default and then add new traits or skills to make up for them while leveling.
For example...
A passive speed buff trait, just why do we not have this after we lost it from GL4 when they made it a passive?

Add that passive instead and just make Tornado Kick and Elixir Field ogcds again.

They took 3 steps forward but 2 steps backwards with MNK.

MNK used to have 3 OGCD's that you could weave with Six-Sided Star so you wouldn't just be sitting there auto attacking unless you pop Riddle of Wind. Now you only have 1 OGCD while Tornado Kick and Elixir Field are now part of the beast chakra thing. Six-Sided Star is now basically kind of useless unless you pour a lot of skill speed into your stats so the C/D won't be long.

If they took the beast chakra skills and made them OGCD's with no timer to use them before they expire then that would be great. I could use it with Forbidden Chakra after Six-Sided Star.

Also, the new gap closer is great but I wish it added some sort of buff depending on distance traveled. Like more attack speed or bring back the damage it had from shoulder tackle.

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Originally Posted by IruruCece

You gave up the game, dawg

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Yo fam, if you are gona quote me, at least quote me and dont make things up. You know what you did, and that kinda stuff is sad. You're getting desperate out here...

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Originally Posted by Navnav

"Bawwww i got called out for being the troll i am"

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I think I'll keep doing what I want, "fam".

Monk right now is the most fun i've had in a long time in this game. Will level WAR first for smooth queues then breaking bank on monk this xpac.

Love the changes, love the job.

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Originally Posted by Navnav

So they shouldn't have removed them because YOU, only you, are still doing them.

I am so happy they are gone, for multiple reasons now.

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Originally Posted by Navnav

Crazy how devs can see obvious changes and make them, but you guys still whine on.

BTW I'm not trolling.

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Some real quote from u dawg, no cap fam

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Originally Posted by Navnav

Monk right now is the most fun i've had in a long time in this game. Will level WAR first for smooth queues then breaking bank on monk this xpac.
Love the changes, love the job.

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"""Love the new MNK so much, finally they got ride of the positionals i was upset about... and i told them what to do, i requested the EXACT same thing a half year ago. I can´t be more happy, love the new MNK, love the game! Ty very much SE!""" <------ Go play WAR first.

Looks like some serious new MNK main incoming. A new hero awaits the rest of us in the partyfinder to beat ultimate and savage. I hope all of us can be lucky to get the best MNK in Endwalker into our queue... *Head meets table*

(EDIT: SE really knows how to cater their audience, especially WHICH audience...)

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Originally Posted by Kolsykol

I don't rly agree at all that Blitz feels like a chore, the issue with it is mostly imo that they took ogcds and turned them into gcds instead of new abilities.
Tornado Kick and Elixir Field should still be ogcds.

Rising Phoenix and Flint Strike should be the two ones and then Phantom Rush the finisher.
It really just feels like Elixir Field and Tornado Kick were just '' removed '' because they wanted something for lower levels and synced content and didn't want to come up with new animations...

Either they should be new animations that gets upgraded later or the final ones should just always be the default and then add new traits or skills to make up for them while leveling.
For example...
A passive speed buff trait, just why do we not have this after we lost it from GL4 when they made it a passive?

Add that passive instead and just make Tornado Kick and Elixir Field ogcds again.

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To touch on this, I think the whole blitz should be put into oGCD. it'll make everything flow more smoothly. Not only that they need to change the animation for steel peak, it's horrendous that they reused shoulder tackle for it.

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Originally Posted by Sorzai

To touch on this, I think the whole blitz should be put into oGCD. it'll make everything flow more smoothly. Not only that they need to change the animation for steel peak, it's horrendous that they reused shoulder tackle for it.

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I don't agree with this at all, we already have so many issues with animations being cancelled before they finish ( this is already a problem with Phantom Rush ).
I'd like to see the animations too especially for the big hitters.

I actually do think this is an issue with Tornado Kick and Elixir Field as ogcds too but I don't believe that a new system like Blitz should have re-used ogcds as gcds it feels lazy and not like we actually got new abilities at all ( a recurring problem with MNK, which has affected Tornado Kick before multiple times ).
I am fine with Blitz being gcd and I do think that our big bursty skills with high potency should be there should be nice visual feedback there imo.

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Originally Posted by Navnav

So they shouldn't have removed them because YOU, only you, are still doing them.

I am so happy they are gone, for multiple reasons now.

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I still do them but it feels much less rewarding because it doesn't matter. The whole class was a nice dance of always hitting your positionals to get the most out of it and the ceiling for it was directly tied with how well you could perform that dance but now it just feels empty. The removal of our oGCDs doesn't help that feeling either because we just have less to do.

The class feels hollow to play and it sucks.

The funny thing is that the positionals are less forgiving to miss now because the potency bonus is actually higher.
So you're even more compelled to do them than before.

Which makes it a bit bizarre for some people to celebrate about the devs supposedly listening to them.

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Originally Posted by Kolsykol

The funny thing is that the positionals are less forgiving to miss now because the potency bonus is actually higher.
So you're even more compelled to do them than before.

Which makes it a bit bizarre for some people to celebrate about the devs supposedly listening to them.

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Give Navnav time to actually be able to log in, finish MSQ on Tank first, then level monk. They'll get right on to complaining about how punishing and unfair that is soon enough... January at the earliest, given the queue times.

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Originally Posted by Kolsykol

The funny thing is that the positionals are less forgiving to miss now because the potency bonus is actually higher.
So you're even more compelled to do them than before.

Which makes it a bit bizarre for some people to celebrate about the devs supposedly listening to them.

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I mean, hitting one positional per combo chain is a lot easier than three.