To Yoshi P, don't worry about it.

I was wondering what was going on with him recently, and I watched Asmongold's take on it.

I say don't worry about it Yoshi P, things happen and we're all excited anyway. Square Enix has some of the greatest developers in the eastern side of the industry, and proven time and time again.


最近、彼に何が起こっているのか気になっていたので、Asmongold氏の見解を見ました。

私は吉Pのことを心配しないでくださいと言いたいです。物事は起こるものですし、私たちはとにかく興奮しています。スクウェア・エニックスには、業界の東側で最も優れた開発者がいて、何度も証明されています。

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This topic was ruined by a couple of trolls, please lock this thread Moderators.

New posters looking at this - please refrain from bumping this topic as its lost its actual meaning.

Just what we needed, another one of these threads. Thanks for posting.

Worry about what? He looks tired and over worked. I feel bad for him, but most of us in america right now feel the same way. So my heart goes out to him, but I'm not sure why he needs defending. This company is making bank off us, so we don't need to defend him, or say things like this. He will be fine. It is stressful making a MMORPG. I agree, but consumers should feel upset if plans get changed, that is not a pass to mistreat them, but it is ok to be upset about it.

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Worry about what? He looks tired and over worked. I feel bad for him, but most of us in america right now feel the same way. So my heart goes out to him, but I'm not sure why he needs defending. This company is making bank off us, so we don't need to defend him, or say things like this. He will be fine. It is stressful making a MMORPG. I agree, but consumers should feel upset if plans get changed, that is not a pass to mistreat them, but it is ok to be upset about it.

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I wasn't expecting this comment in the last half.

There is more to life than just a video game, chill out.

That goes for everyone else.

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Just what we needed, another one of these threads. Thanks for posting.

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karma like-post fishing is what it comes off to me.

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No.

If that is how you feel then you been on these forums for too long.

I'm asking for everyone to chill out on them, this is getting a bit much.

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Well we have multiple threads on the same subject, so what do you think it looks like objectively? Like someone trying to get attention and get easy likes.

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karma like-post fishing is what it comes off to me.

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No.

If that is how you feel then you been on these forums for too long.

I'm asking for everyone to chill out on them, this is getting a bit much.

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I wasn't expecting this comment in the last half.

There is more to life than just a video game, chill out.

That goes for everyone else.

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A little history lesson for you before telling someone to chill out. Hobbies matter, more than you think. To say it is just a game, that is a foolish statement. Many people are over worked, tired, and stressed with life right now. So games is a great way to balance. My grandfather got into fist fights over fishing of all things. In our history hobbies have always have a impact on our life and matters.

When you say it is just a game. You deflect the feelings and time goes into the game. Time we will not get back. So in other words. No it is not "just a game" and no I won't chill out. It is understandable to be upset about the delay. As i said that is not a pass to mistreat them over it.

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A little history lesson for you before telling someone to chill out. Hobbies matter, more than you think. To say it is just a game, that is a foolish statement. Many people are over worked, tired, and stressed with life right now. So games is a great way to balance. My grandfather got into fish fights over fishing of all things. In our history hobbies have always have a impact on our life and matters.

When you say it is just a game. You deflect the feelings and time goes into the game. Time we will not get back. So in other words. No it is not "just a game" and no I won't chill out. It is understandable to be upset about the delay. As i said that is not a pass to mistreat them over it.

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There is other hobbies, and you're taking this way too personally. When the game is ready its ready.

And how you feel about yourself shouldn't be used as a excuse, you have multiple outlets to relieve that stress and FFXIV isn't the only one.

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There is other hobbies, and you're taking this way too personally. When the game is ready its ready.

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I think you are not understanding my point. Are you saying it is not ok to be upset with a delay? When people took time off work and can't get that back? That they should be like shrug and not be annoyed?

It is not taking it personal, I'm stating a fact. It is ok to be irked about the delay.


And to say other hobbies, sure but you got to be in the mood for them. It is hard to say go do something else when you are hyped for this story and this hobby.

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I think you are not understanding my point. Are you saying it is not ok to be upset with a delay? When people took time off work and can't get that back? That they should be like shrug and not be annoyed?

It is not taking it personal, I'm stating a fact. It is ok to be irked about the delay.

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Yes the delay is unfortunate, but this is no reason to raise up in arms about it.

You're only making them more stressed out.

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Yes the delay is unfortunate, but this is no reason to raise up in arms about it.

You're only making them more stressed out.

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I'm confused. Who said anything about raising up?

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There is other hobbies, and you're taking this way too personally. When the game is ready its ready.

And how you feel about yourself shouldn't be used as a excuse, you have multiple outlets to relieve that stress and FFXIV isn't the only one.

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Who the hell are you to tell anyone how they should feel about anything?

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I'm confused. Who said anything about raising up?

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Then you need to switch the tone of your comment earlier, I'm saying some people on here seem like they are throwing their frustrations onto them with things like "I used my vacation time for this" and other situations.

That doesn't help them.

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Who the hell are you to tell anyone how they should feel about anything?

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The way your reacting tells me your taking it way too hard, stop acting so emotional and think about your own behavior.

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Then you need to switch the tone of your comment earlier, I'm saying some people on here seem like they are throwing their frustrations onto them with things like "I used my vacation time for this" and other situations.

That doesn't help them.

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Ok so what does help them? Because I figure stating something like..it is ok to feel upset and that is normal. Is much better than what you are doing. Telling them that it is just a hobby, or making a thread defending someone that does not really need it, and we had another thread about this also.


All I am saying is, the best way to help the people who are stressed is to be understanding about it. Not devaluing their time by telling them that they can do something else, or it is not worth getting that upset about. The cult of Yoshi P comes out of the woods and bash these people on reddit for being upset about it, and that looks far worse than the people irked for legit reasons.

I try not to use tone because it is hard to get a full grasp through text, but if you want to use tone fine... Your replies come off very patronizing.

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Ok so what does help them? Because I figure stating something like..it is ok to feel upset and that is normal. Is much better than what you are doing. Telling them that it is just a hobby, or making a thread defending someone that does not really need it, and we had another thread about this also.


All I am saying is, the best way to help the people who are stressed is to be understanding about it. Not devaluing their time by telling them that they can do something else, or it is not worth getting that upset about. The cult of Yoshi P comes out of the woods and bash these people on reddit for being upset about it, and that looks far worse than the people irked for legit reasons.

I try not to use tone because it is hard to get a full grasp through text, but if you want to use tone fine... Your replies come off very patronizing.

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If your life revolves around one thing that isn't healthy.

Full stop.

This isn't devaluing his game and the time he put into it, you're throwing that in there and that goes for the players too onto the player-side of things. I'm saying people who revolve their life around it and acting out is bad.

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If your life revolves around one thing that isn't healthy.

Full stop.

This isn't devaluing his game and the time he put into it, you're throwing that in there. I'm saying people who revolve their life around it and acting out is bad.

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I'm trying to figure out where you get this leap in logic from. If someone is pretty upset a hobby they have passion for got delayed is now life revolves around it? Gaming is a great stress relief and matters to many people. Just like sports, fishing, or any other hobby. So I'm not sure having passion for something means life revolves around it.

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I'm trying to figure out where you get this leap in logic from. If someone is pretty upset a hobby they have passion for got delayed is now life revolves around it? Gaming is a great stress relief and matters to many people. Just like sports, fishing, or any other hobby. So I'm not sure having passion for something means life revolves around it.

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Fine I'll meet you half-way on this.

Was I frustrated and many others on here about the delay? YES! As much I want to play Endwalker now I know it can't be changed. I paid back at the end of september for the 60 days, and now knowing I might not have the income available to play it in December soon but things happen and I have accepted that fact.

Other players going beyond frustration? How are these players helping the situation? Not much, and its making the english forums look bad.

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Fine I'll meet you half-way on this.

Was I frustrated and many others on here about the delay? YES! As much I want to play Endwalker now I know it can't be changed.

Other players going beyond frustration? How are these players helping the situation? Not much, and its making the english forums look bad.

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They are not, and we have a right to call them out on it when they take it too far, but what is too far?

To me talking about it on Twitter, Reddit, or the forums is not taking it too far. It is a way to let out stress, and talk with other people about it.


I cross the line when people attack developers. No amount of passion or stress gives anyone a right to attack people who are working. They are a business, do you think they want to delay? It makes no sense that they would unless they cared about what they want to give. (or in some developments at least a working game.) However, we can clearly see the developers care a lot about the game. So being upset is ok, attacking people no matter what side you are on this..is not.

I'm not sure why some people make so many assumptions about the posters in this thread. Paying customers are absolutely allowed to express their frustration if a promised service is not delivered in a timely manner.

The expansion being delayed by two weeks isn't the end of the world but it is not the first time that content has been pushed back and some people used precious free time off of work to align with the original release date that can now not be changed.

People order food from restaurants and supermarkets all the time and plan around the expectation that the service will be conducted as planned. It isn't unreasonable to adopt that mentality with other transactions.

Personally I think some free game time or a special item sent through the in-game mail would have been a nice way to truly solidify an apology. That was the approach taken back in ARR when things went awry, so it's interesting that such methods are no longer embraced in the present day.

Perhaps it is something that Yoshi-P and his team can consider moving forward, given that him shedding tears during a Live Letter leads some zealous players to begin attacking anyone who dares offer any criticism, no matter how politely it is worded.

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The way your reacting tells me your taking it way too hard, stop acting so emotional and think about your own behavior.

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No I'm pointing out the hypocrisy in your stupid behavior. You don't get to dictate how someone feels about anything. And you coming in here telling people not to feel the way they feel is the equivalent of me walking up to a parent whos child is screaming and start giving them unsolicited parenting advice. Its rarely wanted, or needed, and your two worthless cents aren't helping anything.

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I'm not sure why some people make so many assumptions about the posters in this thread. Paying customers are absolutely allowed to express their frustration if a promised service is not delivered in a timely manner.

The expansion being delayed by two weeks isn't the end of the world but it is not the first time that content has been pushed back and some people used precious free time off of work to align with the original release date that can now not be changed.

People order food from restaurants and supermarkets all the time and plan around the expectation that the service will be conducted as planned. It isn't unreasonable to adopt that mentality with other transactions.

Personally I think some free game time or a special item sent through the in-game mail would have been a nice way to truly solidify an apology. That was the approach taken back in ARR when things went awry, so it's interesting that such methods are no longer embraced in the present day.

Perhaps it is something that Yoshi-P and his team can consider moving forward, given that him shedding tears during a Live Letter leads some zealous players to begin attacking anyone who dares offer any criticism, no matter how politely it is worded.

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Just give me Blitzball and we can call it even :P


nah it would be nice, heck some of the people a Yoshi P letter in the mail would make them swoon lol.

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They are not, and we have a right to call them out on it when they take it too far, but what is too far?

To me talking about it on Twitter, Reddit, or the forums is not taking it too far. It is a way to let out stress, and talk with other people about it.


I cross the line when people attack developers. No amount of passion or stress gives anyone a right to attack people who are working. They are a business, do you think they want to delay? It makes no sense that they would unless they cared about what they want to give. (or in some developments at least a working game.) However, we can clearly see the developers care a lot about the game. So being upset is ok, attacking people no matter what side you are on this..is not.

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I agree with you, you have no argument coming from me.

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No I'm pointing out the hypocrisy in your stupid behavior. You don't get to dictate how someone feels about anything. And you coming in here telling people not to feel the way they feel is the equivalent of me walking up to a parent whos child is screaming and start giving them unsolicited parenting advice. Its rarely wanted, or needed, and your two worthless cents aren't helping anything.

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I'll keep telling you since you have nothing better to say, but to cause a ruckus.

Chill out.

I never had to use the ignore list in years on here, congrats.

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Oh please. Knock that off, get off your high horse. It's that mentality that just makes this whole situation so toxic.



Reported.



You, make the english sub look bad with your replies in this thread alone.


Who are you to decide who can comment in a public forum thread?

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I should report you for earlier for making assumptions about me, you don't get a pass if this is how you want to play.

Knock it off with your toxicity, you came in here in this topic that was nothing but good intentions until you opened your textual mouth.

Now you given me a reason why I shouldn't respond to people like you with your baiting.

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I'll keep telling you since you have nothing better to say, but to cause a ruckus.

Chill out.

I never had to use the ignore list in years on here, congrats.

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Oh no, I'm ignored what ever will I do. Don't let the door hit you where the good lord split you buttercup.

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No I'm pointing out the hypocrisy in your stupid behavior. You don't get to dictate how someone feels about anything. And you coming in here telling people not to feel the way they feel is the equivalent of me walking up to a parent whos child is screaming and start giving them unsolicited parenting advice. Its rarely wanted, or needed, and your two worthless cents aren't helping anything.

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Exactly. People like the OP are EXACTLY why the anger and drama continues. They march in to (or start) threads stomping their feet in attempts to get people to stop saying the things they want to say, or feeling the things they are allowed to feel. All it does is create more tension. Then on top of that, most of them act like the victim once they're called out.

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Oh no, I'm ignored what ever will I do. Don't let the door hit you where the good lord split you buttercup.

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Hey me too!