Looking to buy a Free Company

sorry i did not know

I'll just give you a fair warning because you probably got reported many times already. But the practice of buying FCs to get housing plots is against the terms of service for the game and is a ban able offence in the game. the majority of threads on this forums are about how to prevent people from doing this and you provided everyone with your PSN and your server so i would be careful if i were you.

https://discord.gg/eqdApTJ

Fair warning, you might struggle to find anything on your server below 50m due to the demand.

This i did not know. Thanks

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I'll just give you a fair warning because you probably got reported many times already. But the practice of buying FCs to get housing plots is against the terms of service for the game and is a ban able offence in the game. the majority of threads on this forums are about how to prevent people from doing this and you provided everyone with your PSN and your server so i would be careful if i were you.

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What point in ToS states you not allowed to buy a FC with Gil?

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I'll just give you a fair warning because you probably got reported many times already. But the practice of buying FCs to get housing plots is against the terms of service for the game and is a ban able offence in the game. the majority of threads on this forums are about how to prevent people from doing this and you provided everyone with your PSN and your server so i would be careful if i were you.

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I don't think this is true. There are no systems in place to prevent people from trading gil to one another in order to pass FC leadership. The discord server that's linked below your post is pretty well-used and includes tips specifically to get GM assistance in case a transaction goes poorly.

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I don't think this is true. There are no systems in place to prevent people from trading gil to one another in order to pass FC leadership. The discord server that's linked below your post is pretty well-used and includes tips specifically to get GM assistance in case a transaction goes poorly.

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I mean, Yoshi-P did say the following: https://youtu.be/BJwPCxau7CA?t=334

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In terms of people who are reselling, like giving up their home and then trying to sell it off for an enormous amount of gil, that sort of reselling of housing is a no-go. We do not stand for that.

When you do see a player that is obviously utilizing their housing to sell it off for a really high amount, and you do see in party finder, please let us know. Report it to us and then GM's will go in and investigate. And if we do find evidence that it is true that a certain player is going out there selling off their land for an unusually large amount of money, we will try to go in there and make them refund that gil and return the land.

We may have mentioned it before, but we do not allow people to do something as malicious as selling some of these plots. Again, once we have it reported, we will investigate and find the evidence. And once we find sufficient evidence, we will try to address it and rectify the situation.

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"enormous amount" is pretty subjective though.

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"enormous amount" is pretty subjective though.

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That's why it'd help to have clarification from Yoshi-P on what is (and isn't) acceptable with housing.

The single biggest thing I do not like about the house resale process is how much additional cost is tacks onto a house. This is problematic when price inflation kicks in, largely driven by how much gil an endgame player can generate. All this does it make it harder for a newer players to get into housing than it really needs to be.

There is a market in selling houses this way, hence the many 1 person FC's, people keep on selling their FCs to make gil, for later on it ending in the RMT.

Hence why that their should be a minimum of active accounts per FC, and not just be able to settle with 1 person.

Please see thread, this was back in 2016 that they said it was against ToS. The whole reason we are now going to a bs lottery system is because of the FC selling loophole. To prevent people from using third party software to obtain a house and flip it for stupid amounts of in game gil. If you try to use pf or post in the forum your going to get caught, hence the use of the discord. I was only trying to point that out to OP.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...to-this-thread

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Please see thread, this was back in 2016 that they said it was against ToS. The whole reason we are now going to a bs lottery system is because of the FC selling loophole. To prevent people from using third party software to obtain a house and flip it for stupid amounts of in game gil. If you try to use pf or post in the forum your going to get caught, hence the use of the discord. I was only trying to point that out to OP.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...to-this-thread

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If it go bad enough, what would stop SE people to go into that Discord?

What makes you think they haven't?

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If it go bad enough, what would stop SE people to go into that Discord?

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Square Enix cannot enforce their Terms of Service on products or avenues that they do not legally own or hold a controlling percentage of said company.

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Please see thread, this was back in 2016 that they said it was against ToS. The whole reason we are now going to a bs lottery system is because of the FC selling loophole. To prevent people from using third party software to obtain a house and flip it for stupid amounts of in game gil. If you try to use pf or post in the forum your going to get caught, hence the use of the discord. I was only trying to point that out to OP.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...to-this-thread

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It literally don't give any answer to what ToS it's breaking. They can't define how much is too much gil.

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Square Enix cannot enforce their Terms of Service on products or avenues that they do not legally own or hold a controlling percentage of said company.

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Who says they're not using Discord for intelligence gathering?

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It literally don't give any answer to what ToS it's breaking. They can't define how much is too much gil.

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SE could define and publish how much is too much if they want to. They won't do it just as they don't go into too much detail about what they consider unacceptable language and behavior because they're in a spot if something unanticipated occurs.

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Who says they're not using Discord for intelligence gathering?

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The fact it would be illegal for them to use information obtained on Discord to punish players on other platforms. SE isn't looking for a lawsuit that could go badly, regardless of the outcome. Either SE loses a lot of money for 'compensation' fees, or Discord (for example) would have to publicly state ANY company can enforce their rules through Discords medium. Thus killing Discord entirely and violating several privacy laws worldwide.

Blizzard can't ban people for talking bad about WoW on Reddit, since Reddit isn't owned by Blizzard. A company cannot enforce their rules and regulations outside of their companys influence. It's why House-Sellers don't talk about it in-game. (Party Finder is a grey area in every game.)

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The fact it would be illegal for them to use information obtained on Discord to punish players on other platforms. SE isn't looking for a lawsuit that could go badly, regardless of the outcome. Either SE loses a lot of money for 'compensation' fees, or Discord (for example) would have to publicly state ANY company can enforce their rules through Discords medium. Thus killing Discord entirely and violating several privacy laws worldwide.

Blizzard can't ban people for talking bad about WoW on Reddit, since Reddit isn't owned by Blizzard. A company cannot enforce their rules and regulations outside of their companys influence. It's why House-Sellers don't talk about it in-game. (Party Finder is a grey area in every game.)

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They banned people from Twitch streams and Twitter in the past though. Which I'm very much against regardless what people said or shown on these plattforms. Maybe there is a legal loophole they can use.

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They banned people from Twitch streams and Twitter in the past

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Both of those are considered "public domain". Twitter especially since its more of a social network, rather than a service. The Twitch one, I imagine is through the loophole of "They were broadcasting content in our game that we disagree with" and since they owned what was being shown, they had legal ground. Like what happened with Asmonbald.

On Twitter, even on your "private" twitter account, you can be fired for things you say. That doesn't make it okay to do, but people still do it.. Maybe that'll change soon(tm)

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The fact it would be illegal for them to use information obtained on Discord to punish players on other platforms. SE isn't looking for a lawsuit that could go badly, regardless of the outcome. Either SE loses a lot of money for 'compensation' fees, or Discord (for example) would have to publicly state ANY company can enforce their rules through Discords medium. Thus killing Discord entirely and violating several privacy laws worldwide.

Blizzard can't ban people for talking bad about WoW on Reddit, since Reddit isn't owned by Blizzard. A company cannot enforce their rules and regulations outside of their companys influence. It's why House-Sellers don't talk about it in-game. (Party Finder is a grey area in every game.)

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It would be "illegal" if they used it as evidence in an action against a player. Which is probably why few if not none of the players in the market discord have had actions against them. Doesn't mean they can't go into the discord to gather data as metrics to assess the health of the systems in their game.

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Both of those are considered "public domain". Twitter especially since its more of a social network, rather than a service. The Twitch one, I imagine is through the loophole of "They were broadcasting content in our game that we disagree with" and since they owned what was being shown, they had legal ground. Like what happened with Asmonbald.

On Twitter, even on your "private" twitter account, you can be fired for things you say. That doesn't make it okay to do, but people still do it.. Maybe that'll change soon(tm)

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Ahh I see so don't post on social media plattforms basically?

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The fact it would be illegal for them to use information obtained on Discord to punish players on other platforms.

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SE isn't looking for a lawsuit that could go badly, regardless of the outcome. Either SE loses a lot of money for 'compensation' fees, or Discord (for example) would have to publicly state ANY company can enforce their rules through Discords medium. Thus killing Discord entirely and violating several privacy laws worldwide.

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You'd have to prove how it would be illegal for a GM to goto discord, note the properties for sale, then watch if any change ownership (or any of the associated FCs have a leadership change).

You're basically saying they can't read publicly available feedback that's no on their site.

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Blizzard can't ban people for talking bad about WoW on Reddit, since Reddit isn't owned by Blizzard.

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Yeah, SE isn't Blizzard. They don't have a Cosby Suite for starters....

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You'd have to prove how it would be illegal for a GM to go to discord, note the properties for sale, then watch if any change ownership (or any of the associated FCs have a leadership change).

You're basically saying they can't read publicly available feedback that's no on their site.

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You should probably do a bit of reading up on basic law. (Both local and international, as headache-inducing as it is nowadays)

While SE GMs can easily open discord and take notes, they aren't dumb enough to act on the information they find, purely on the basis that any player can (and legally are allowed to do this!) ask for details on why they are denied access to the service. That would require SE (By law) to cite their evidence, which would include said Discord information and land them in a Privacy Breach. Not to mention even further fire from violating Discords own ToS. Legally, only Discord is able to enforce rules and use content ON Discord to punish its users.

Think of it like this. You go into someone elses house through their open front door. You aren't given explicit permission to enter their home, yet you do so anyways. While you're there, you find copious amounts of narcotics and other illegal stuff. But you can't go to the police and report it because you were tresspassing when you found it.

Yes, SE can easily get the info. Yes, SE could actually use it to ban people. But they're not looking for a Lawsuit.

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You should probably do a bit of reading up on basic law. (Both local and international, as headache-inducing as it is nowadays)

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And you should go read up on the FINAL FANTASY® XIV User Agreement ( https://support.na.square-enix.com/r...1&tag=users_en ), FINAL FANTASY® XIV Software License Agreement ( https://support.na.square-enix.com/r...ag=software_en ), Account Penalty Policy ( https://support.na.square-enix.com/f...&la=1&ret=rule ) and Prohibitions in Final Fantasy XIV ( https://support.na.square-enix.com/f...&la=1&ret=rule ). These are all the contracts that you have agreed to in order to create a character and play FFXIV.

Specifically these sections from the user agreement:

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10.9 Limited Liability/Remedy. TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT PERMITTED BY LAW, SQUARE ENIX AND/OR ITS AFFILIATES HAVE NO LIABILITY TO YOU WHATSOEVER, AND IN NO EVENT WILL SQUARE ENIX AND/OR ANY OF ITS PARENT, SUBSIDIARY, OR AFFILIATED COMPANIES BE LIABLE FOR DAMAGES OF ANY KIND (INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, SPECIAL, INCIDENTAL, OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES, LOST PROFITS, OR LOST DATA, REGARDLESS OF THE FORESEEABILITY OF THOSE DAMAGES), ARISING OUT OF OR IN CONNECTION WITH THIS AGREEMENT, YOUR USE OF THE GAME OR OTHER MATERIALS PROVIDED TO YOU BY SQUARE ENIX, REGARDLESS OF THE LEGAL THEORY. UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES WILL SQUARE ENIX BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR MORE THAN A REPLACEMENT COPY OF THE GAME, WHICH SHALL BE YOUR SOLE AND EXCLUSIVE REMEDY.

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11.1 Indemnification. You agree to indemnify and hold harmless Square Enix and its parent, subsidiaries, affiliates, partners, officers, employees and agents from any claim, demand, or loss (including reasonable attorney's fees and court costs) incurred due to your usage of the Game, your engagement in Prohibited Activities, and/or arising out of or related to content you submit, post, link to, transmit, or make available through the Game, your violation of this User Agreement, or your violation of any rights of another User.

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While SE GMs can easily open discord and take notes, they aren't dumb enough to act on the information they find, purely on the basis that any player can (and legally are allowed to do this!) ask for details on why they are denied access to the service. That would require SE (By law) to cite their evidence, which would include said Discord information and land them in a Privacy Breach. Not to mention even further fire from violating Discords own ToS. Legally, only Discord is able to enforce rules and use content ON Discord to punish its users.

Think of it like this. You go into someone elses house through their open front door. You aren't given explicit permission to enter their home, yet you do so anyways. While you're there, you find copious amounts of narcotics and other illegal stuff. But you can't go to the police and report it because you were tresspassing when you found it.

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And yet, there have been many criminals arrested because their girlfriend called the cops and told them what idiot thing their boyfriend just did. Any law enforcement entity can action off of anonymous tips, especially if the tips seem credible, and many have been arrested for such.

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Yes, SE can easily get the info. Yes, SE could actually use it to ban people. But they're not looking for a Lawsuit.

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I highly doubt a lawsuit over an account termination that (most likely) is in violation of the above contracts that all have agreed to play FFXIV would have any legal legs whatsoever. You violated the contract, you were punished by the terms you agreed to, and almost any judge is going to dismiss that lawsuit as frivolous.

The lawsuit risk is so trivial that, quite frankly, the entire "they're afraid of a lawsuit" thing is basically a red herring.

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Yeah, SE isn't Blizzard. They don't have a Cosby Suite for starters....

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I get you trying to make a argument against Kenky but sorry to say, neither do/did Blizzard. They rented out hotell suits that a few developers named that, does not = company has x suite.

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I get you trying to make a argument against Kenky but sorry to say, neither do/did Blizzard. They rented out hotell suits that a few developers named that, does not = company has x suite.

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More like a point about the current state of affairs in Blizzard that is basically turning Blizzard into Activision thanks to a whole bunch of.... "bad behavior". If you aren't aware of what's going on inside of Blizzard, nor the impact that has had on WoW over the last couple of expansions, you need to go do your research.

But, more to the point, Square Enix isn't Blizzard, they don't have a corporate culture that fosters that level of abuse (yes, those allegations are real, heart breaking, and not an SJW play to take over Blizzard), and Square Enix is (obviously) also Japanese. What may be true about lawsuits and litigation relating to in-game stuff (in this case, most likely not) for an American game dev company may not be true for a Japanese one.

To be honest, if you are going to try to go down this line of "SqUaRe EnIx WiLl GeT sUeD fOR bAnNiNg Me OfF oF dIsCorD iNfOrMaTiOn", then you need to go read all the pages I linked because you'll see that you basically don't have a legal way to actually sue SE due to what you agreed to in order to play.

Kenky has clearly not done this, otherwise they would have never made those arguments.

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Kenky has clearly not done this, otherwise they would have never made those arguments.

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Alright, you asked for this.

In your recent post, you showed two particular points in the Terms of Service with Final Fantasy XIV. Most notably, 10.9 and 11.

Both of these protect Square Enix from Legal action from its players. But I never said it would be the player who would pursue legal action. I even pointed out it would be a Privacy Breach and Discord (A company, not a person) holding them accountable for violating their own Terms of Service.

10.9 protects Square Enix from Legal action from its playerbase, stating that nothing they do will get them any compensation beyond a new copy of final fantasy (at extreme cases)

11 protects Square Enix from consultation fees and legal fees, based on the individual players actions (or inactions thereof) that leads to a denial of continued service.

Lastly, you made a deluded comparison between "Illegally obtaining information" and "Girlfriend telling" as a form of 'anonymous tip'. Even "Tips" given to the Police still need actual AND LEGALLY OBTAINED evidence to be acted on. The Police (outside of maybe a few less law-abiding law enforcements.. Yes, those exist) needs actual reason to investigate and act upon information given to them.

As a result, anonymous tips are simply classed as "rumors" until they gain legal capacity to follow up on it. They aren't going to bash down doors based on rumors and here say, especially when people are known to abuse the anonymity part of the tip-giving system. Usually for stupid reasons or outright spite.

Square Enix is an International Company nowadays and as a result, they have to play by the books. If they don't (By violating privacy regulations, a la using info they are not legally allowed to use to punish people) then they will suddenly find themselves unable to offer their product in said country.

How hard is it to fathom that Company A cannot use information on Company Bs database to punish people without Company Bs explicit consent? Go back to coming up with "better suggestions" for housing, instead of trying to sound smarter than you are. Maybe you'll be taken seriously one day and treated like a person, rather than an annoyance.

With that, I am done.

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How hard is it to fathom that Company A cannot use information on Company Bs database to punish people without Company Bs explicit consent?

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And why do you assume there isn't an existing agreement between Square Enix and Discord to share data in matters of TOS enforcement?

Why do you assume that Square Enix can't just wait until the game logs have sufficient proof based off of the Discord leads so they can take action and ban people?

We know that SE does ban people for RMT (see https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...17da61235fd9e1 ), but we don't know how they are actually detecting and generating the evidence to ban someone for RMT. It would be foolhardy to automatically rule out Discord as "safe" ground.

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And why do you assume there isn't an existing agreement between Square Enix and Discord to share data in matters of TOS enforcement?

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Because By Law, Discord would have to publicly state that they have a deal with Square Enix that allows them to collect data and general information on its users. If that truly were the case, then the house-sellers wouldn't use it. Similar to how someone breaking into your house isn't going to stick around when they hear the sirens coming.

Seriously, go back to talking about Housing. Law is not your strong suit.

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And why do you assume there isn't an existing agreement between Square Enix and Discord to share data in matters of TOS enforcement?

Why do you assume that Square Enix can't just wait until the game logs have sufficient proof based off of the Discord leads so they can take action and ban people?

We know that SE does ban people for RMT (see https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...17da61235fd9e1 ), but we don't know how they are actually detecting and generating the evidence to ban someone for RMT. It would be foolhardy to automatically rule out Discord as "safe" ground.

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Why do you assume there is an existing agreement between Square Enix and Discord?

Your response seem just tinfoil hat conspiracy theory cause you can't accept an L

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Seriously, go back to talking about Housing. Law is not your strong suit.

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Let's be honest, Kenky - Neither is housing.

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Because By Law, Discord would have to publicly state that they have a deal with Square Enix that allows them to collect data and general information on its users. If that truly were the case, then the house-sellers wouldn't use it. Similar to how someone breaking into your house isn't going to stick around when they hear the sirens coming.

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Please state the specific penal code that it would violate.

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Seriously, go back to talking about Housing. Law is not your strong suit.

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At least I'm not pretending to be a lawyer here.

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Please state the specific penal code that it would violate.

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Pretty damn rich for you to ask for evidence to back a claim, when you never do it yourself.

I will happily provide evidence for my stance, once you decide to do it yourself. No point in breaking my butt for some hoity-toighty drama queen that can't accept they've lost.

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Pretty damn rich for you to ask for evidence to back a claim, when you never do it yourself.

I will happily provide evidence for my stance, once you decide to do it yourself. No point in breaking my butt for some hoity-toighty drama queen that can't accept they've lost.

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You saying that to yourself?

Besides, it's not like we actually have ownership rights to any of the content we put on the social media platforms. For example, any picture you post on Facebook becomes Facebooks (and you lose all rights to said image) for Facebook to do with as they wish, and completely deny you any monetization derived from said image.

That said, you cannot debunk what I am saying because you know what I am saying is true - so you will resort to flaming me because that is the only recourse you have left. It would actually be kinda funny if it wasn't so pathetically transparent.

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That said, you cannot debunk what I am saying because you know what I am saying is true - so you will resort to flaming me because that is the only recourse you have left. It would actually be kinda funny if it wasn't so pathetically transparent.

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Pot. Meet kettle.

Everyone can collectively go through all of your recent posts and see how you attack anyone who disagrees with you, coming up with beyond delusional leaps of logic to try and make people think you're in the right. You never give evidence to your claims, even when people ask if not outright demand you to and instead of actually adhering to the request, you play the victim and act as if people calling you out is unjustified.

Grow. The hell. Up. You have already lost almost every "discussion" you've held these past few months and instead of taking the L, you claim harassment, stalking or anything else to act as a flimsy-ass defense. Nobody takes you seriously and nobody even cares for your existence.

And with that, I am done feeding the obvious troll. You are 300% not worth the bloody headaches at this point.

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Pot. Meet kettle.

Everyone can collectively go through all of your recent posts and see how you attack anyone who disagrees with you, coming up with beyond delusional leaps of logic to try and make people think you're in the right. You never give evidence to your claims, even when people ask if not outright demand you to and instead of actually adhering to the request, you play the victim and act as if people calling you out is unjustified.

Grow. The hell. Up. You have already lost almost every "discussion" you've held these past few months and instead of taking the L, you claim harassment, stalking or anything else to act as a flimsy-ass defense. Nobody takes you seriously and nobody even cares for your existence.

And with that, I am done feeding the obvious troll. You are 300% not worth the bloody headaches at this point.

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All I'm asking you to do is show how it is illegal for the SE GMs to be monitoring that Discord server, taking notes, and then watching the ingame logs for when something lines up, and actioning off of the ingame logs. Show me what laws that would violate because "it breaks the law" doesn't mean anything unless it is quanitified. I am also stating that by posting content onto Discord (or any other social media for that matter) doesn't really make it your content, just content Discord has identified to belong to a specific login that (in theory) only you happen to know the login information for, so in essence, Discord (and the other social media platforms) can (and have) bypassed privacy laws because of terms you agreed to in their terms of service.

In this scenario, it is no different than an anonymous tip reported to law enforcement.

Your response (as usual) is to sperg out and flame me rather than knock a softball out of the park because if it was as obvious as you have claimed, you would have already done so.

And they call me the troll.........

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It literally don't give any answer to what ToS it's breaking. They can't define how much is too much gil.

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They don't define it so they don't back themselves into a corner.
If they said "too much" was 500k, people would sell them for 499,999 gil.
Too much is vague so they can always look at sales they don't like and say "that's too much."

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All I'm asking you to do is show how it is illegal for the SE GMs to be monitoring that Discord server, taking notes, and then watching the ingame logs for when something lines up, and actioning off of the ingame logs. Show me what laws that would violate because "it breaks the law" doesn't mean anything unless it is quanitified. I am also stating that by posting content onto Discord (or any other social media for that matter) doesn't really make it your content, just content Discord has identified to belong to a specific login that (in theory) only you happen to know the login information for, so in essence, Discord (and the other social media platforms) can (and have) bypassed privacy laws because of terms you agreed to in their terms of service.

And they call me the troll.........

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Sorry to break your dream bubble but that twitch ban has nothing to do with FF14 GM and credit belongs to SE PR team.
It is the PR team that monitoring social media platform and noticed the activity that will damage the image of FF14 and SE as whole and took the action
Game Master only deal with in game issues and they have no authority outside of game.
This is also why all RMT related issue is dealt by the Special Task Force.

Even for PR team, they are not CIA that do not respect other nation's sovereignty
They can't not spy and monitoring Discord that is not an open platform (a lot of channel need permission to access; it is not as same as Twitter or Twitch where you don't need account)
It is just like Yoship said about they can not putting spyware into player computer to detects if players are using parser.
They need to follow the law and respect the privacy.

In regard to people thinks you as forum troll, all you have post in the past provide that image, it is all you.

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Sorry to break your dream bubble but that twitch ban has nothing to do with FF14 GM and credit belongs to SE PR team.

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Who said anything about Twitch?

For the first time in your posting history, could you please make sense instead of an inane ramble?

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Who said anything about Twitch?

For the first time in your posting history, could you please make sense instead of an inane ramble?

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Can you be a good sport and be first? You make no sense in any of your posts.